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chumley

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mjp

« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 12:03 »

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Hi,

If you could share one of your shot list that would be great. I have some kind of simple shot list of my own but unfortanetly it is in my native language (finnish) so the sharing is not very helpful:).

I use open source mindmap program called FreeMind. I make a hierargical tree of actual shot. Here is path to one shot translated to english:

Still Life --> Meals --> Desserts --> gels/jellyes --> creme brulee --> (shot description: ready creme brulee with blow torch on the wooden surface. The brulee bowl is little bit burned down. Background has few ready made brulees.)

So when I'm out of ideas I just look from list (if everything I need for to shot is awailable). My shot list is mainly focused on food items since they are what I mainly like shoot (good way to learn do food also).

I also mark shot completed when I have good enough image on selected subject.

br, MjP


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Zeus

« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 14:15 »

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Chumley,

Your a lean, mean, shooting machine. I've worked with agency produced briefs (sworn to secrecy on these, sorry) and found the best I could get was around 125 good images in 6 to 8 hours so getting 175-200 in 5 is very humbling for me. Extreme co-ordination.


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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2008, 19:14 »

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If I'm shooting for a client I always use 'story boards' which I go through with the client before the shoot, personally I find it better that a shot list even though my drawing is terrible and I only draw stick people. I made up a story board template for a A5 filofax which I use for everything.
For stock I have a list but I tend to be more flexible in my approach, and normally find my best shots are the one's I didn't plan for but that evolved from the session.
Like most I keep a book of ideas that are either descriptive or scribble drawings.
I'll be honest though, my production is nowhere near 175 shots in 5 hours, that's a good work flow.


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chumley

« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2008, 20:03 »

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grp_photo

« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 15:16 »

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Thanks for sharing interesting read.
I don't make shot lists just a little brainstorming before and sometimes a few notes. But i'm not a typical stock photographer most of money still comes from assingments.


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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 15:17 »

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Quote from: chumley on August 20, 2008, 14:51

If I see 200 versions of this shot list hit the micro market next month I am gonna stop sharing. Cheesy

Just Kidding!

Hi Chumley,

I'm not knocking your shot list but try not to be disappointed next month because to be honest the majority on those scenarios are already on microstock sites, maybe not 200 versions but quite a few definately, I even have a few of them myself ! and I know others that could fulfill the majority of the rest of the list.

Of course the same shot using different models can have a huge difference in terms of sales because you can't account for a buyers perspective regarding models looks, lighting and set up etc, but the concepts aren't what I'd describe as unique either in micro or macro.

They'll sell though as they're the type of shots that thrive on microstock.


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chumley

« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 15:49 »

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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 16:51 »

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thanks for the list chumley, it is great to see how you work.


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Phil

« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2008, 17:34 »

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thankyou very much!


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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 17:57 »

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Quote from: chumley on August 20, 2008, 15:49

And yes I believe you were trying to knock my shot list. No big deal, just call it what it is.
Chumley

Hi Chumley,

No not at all, it's your shot list so how you write it is up to you, if it works for you then go with it and if others find it interesting then great, so no I'm not knocking your list at all.

But it was the 'special treat' part that made me respond the way I did, so rather than upset you anymore I think it only fair to point out that ( as you maybe unaware) even though this is a microstock forum site and there are some newcomers, there is a large majority of members here for whom selling stock is not a new thing and many (like you have mentioned you did yourself) came into microstock via previous experience in macro or are very successful within the microstock and/or photography industry.

With that in mind you'll probably understand that rather than being a 'special treat' the way I see your post is more of a guide to a useful working practice which others may enjoy reading and possibly learn from.


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kosmikkreeper

« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 18:43 »

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Thx for sharing Chumley

I make a visual shot list. Basically, pages with 28 thumbs on them. I then add a few notes if need be. It worked great for me!


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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2008, 18:50 »

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Chumley, out of curiosity, what is your total cost for this shoot that you shared with us? The studio rental (or if you own, the breakdown of cost per shoot, monthly rent / lease divided by the average number of shoots per month) the assistant fees, stylists fees and models fees. Thanks


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chumley

« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2008, 03:54 »

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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2008, 05:07 »

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Quote from: chumley on August 21, 2008, 03:54

I would also love to see your work. I noticed there are no links to your imagery under your profile. I don't have any either but I shared my user name here with the board just the other day. Would you please share one of your user names so I might see your work and maybe gain some knowledge from your time spent learning your craft.

That's because most know me here, RTimages same on all the micro sites.

As for learning from others I'm all for it and if you'd been here a while you'd be aware that I had quite a confrontation with a contributor on another site who claims to be a very experienced long term pro, but he could never back his claims up with any evidence, so please excuse me if I seem a little sceptical of you and your claims of vast experience and success when you've only shared a username on a site with a portfolio of 69 images, and to be honest a search on Google under any of the names connected with your iStock portfolio reveals nothing of any substance, it's nothing personal I'm just one of those people that likes to see proof before I believe things.

You've mentioned you're Getty contributor on a few occassions, maybe you'd care to share your portfolio on their site or some of the other major macros, I know I for one would love to reach the dizzy heights of success you've mentioned you have with Getty, or maybe post your own website address.

I'm more than happy to eat a slice of humble pie if you care to serve it up Wink


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kgtoh

« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2008, 05:35 »

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Thanks, chumley, for sharing.
For someone like me with no proper training or background, this is very insightful.


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kgtoh

« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2008, 05:52 »

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RT,
I'm as suspicious as the next guy (maybe more suspicious), but Chumley has, IMO, provided some really useful insights and advice, and has linked to a small but very professional portfolio
Compare this with some other "super successful pros" who've bragged about their massive success, but never provided anything useful except some rants against microstock companies, and never offered any evidence of their portfolio except some random fanart.

That said, chumley, I would love to see some of your work on the macros. I think it's every microstocker's dream to someday compete in the "big leagues", and any insight is most welcome.


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chumley

« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2008, 13:11 »

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Microbius

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2008, 13:33 »

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Quote from: chumley on August 21, 2008, 13:21

Hi Stockshooter,

We work out of our own studio and try to shoot twice a week. We produce on all levels of the stock industry so it is tough to say what a Micro shoot costs but here is how I'll do it. I will base my price off of our company only shooting Micro for one year. If you break down all my costs from models to props to studio to staff to toilet paper even wear on the car tires driving to shoots I would be spending $22.34 per image. That includes a professional keywording company doing our keywording.

I can safely say beside my overhead the cost for models and props for a days Micro shoot breaks down to $700 dollars for 150-200 or $4 dollars each at an average of 175 images a day.

Hope this helps,
Chumley

Interesting, could I ask which keywording company you use?


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chumley

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Microbius

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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2008, 13:52 »

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cool thanks thanks for the pointer. I hate key wording. I'll check them out and maybe get a quote!


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chumley

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