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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2012, 06:33 »
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This is not my fight at all as I am IS exclusive, but yet again I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much!

If I was an agency I would simply lower all of you guys comissions and ssimply don't even let you know how much %%% you get!
Thats what SS does and everybody seems to be happy with them...


« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2012, 06:45 »
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But loosing 1 or 2 percent of earnings for deleting your port there and send them a strong msg, I really think if ppl would think about it, what that would bring us in the long run, no more squeezing of contributors all the time, would make it more than worth it. So if we make a list of all the baddies, put down reasons why they need a slap on the wrist (though it would be better in the face and with a punch) to make an end of this extortion.

I wouldn't call it extortion as that would be unlawful. The agencies aren't doing unlawful things (probably). I do however think it should be unlawful, i.e. There should be regulations to ensure that companies, not just in the microstock industry but in any industry are required to pay decent royalties to the people whose work they distribute. I don't believe a lot of people would stop at a red traffic light if they know the rule is not enforced (I know they don't, I live in a country where when the police go home at night, a lot people then ignore red lights). I also don't believe a lot of companies would act fairly despite them knowing that they are not doing the right thing (they would have to know, surely?), unless the rule is enforced.

I think it is one of the most basic human instincts to want to be treated fairly. I'm sure Alex, Andy, Jack, Anglee, Jaycee and anyone else connected to 123rf, live their lives everyday wanting and even demanding to be treated fairly. People always look at themselves and ask for fair treatment, but may not look to others and think am I being fair. That's why there is need for good government, laws and regulations for these kind of things.

wut

« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2012, 06:48 »
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This is not my fight at all as I am IS exclusive, but yet again I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much!

If I was an agency I would simply lower all of you guys comissions and ssimply don't even let you know how much %%% you get!
Thats what SS does and everybody seems to be happy with them...

Here we go again! :o ::) As I explained in more detail to someone stating the same on the previous page, it's all about the bottom line. They still earn a lot more than any other agency for the vast majority of contributors. I really don't care what's the RPD, if I get more of the money from them than from all other agencies combined. I wouldn't care if they were paying me 1c/sale. Still better than getting a 10$ but only 20% of those sales, or 1% or so like in the case of Alamy. I admit, I'd feel all nice and warm at the moment I'd get a 200$+ sale, but if they happen so rarely that the bottom line is pathetic compared to the one with 1c sales it doesn't really do me much good now, does it. Bragging rights don't buy you lunches ;)

SA

« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2012, 06:51 »
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2012, 06:56 »
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This is not my fight at all as I am IS exclusive, but yet again I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much!

If I was an agency I would simply lower all of you guys comissions and ssimply don't even let you know how much %%% you get!
Thats what SS does and everybody seems to be happy with them...

Here we go again! :o ::) As I explained in more detail to someone stating the same on the previous page, it's all about the bottom line. They still earn a lot more than any other agency for the vast majority of contributors. I really don't care what's the RPD, if I get more of the money from them than from all other agencies combined. I wouldn't care if they were paying me 1c/sale. Still better than getting a 10$ but only 20% of those sales, or 1% or so like in the case of Alamy. I admit, I'd feel all nice and warm at the moment I'd get a 200$+ sale, but if they happen so rarely that the bottom line is pathetic compared to the one with 1c sales it doesn't really do me much good now, does it. Bragging rights don't buy you lunches ;)

So if I understand you correctly, you don't really have a problem with 123rf's (for example) percentage, you real
problem is that they don't earn you enough money, right ?
According to your logic, the bigger the agency, the more percentage they are "permitted" to get, right ?

wut

« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2012, 07:09 »
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Im quite new to the forum and not a big shark in the microstock world. But I think I can resonate about this and here is how I see it:

The agencies will survive as long as they have good pictures to provide and costumers that want to buy them. Our role is then none of power because there will always be talented people in the world that want to contribute with images for less money.

It doesn't matter to the agencies if they dump the commissions to the contributors. There is always someone that can be a contributor for less money. Either because they just do it for fun, or because they live in a country where the money is worth more.

I think the agencies can, and probable will, keep lower the commissions to the contributors. They will not have to low supply of good pictures because of this. I can imagine many of us not doing this in 20 years from now, and see a bunch of Indian and Chinese contributors working for 1 cent per subscription download.  :)  

This business is new and it has been a bit "to good to be true" for contributors that was in it from the start where there were not so many pictures and good contributors around. I think we just have to keep settling for less and less paid per image in the future. But we can still make money because we have been in it for a long time and have lots of pictures uploaded, and maybe good positions in search results because of that. So in that regard. We are not screwed in the future. I also think that the demand for microstock pictures will increase in the future due to the growth of internet and computers all over the world.

So we just have to move along with the changes that comes, and keep uploading and improving if we want more and not less money from this. We have no power, but we can enjoy making money from microstock for a long time still!

Or am I wrong?

/Simon

You're the perfect employee! I wish I could forward your post to your boss. He'd lower your pay every quarter, since there are a lot of ppl willing to do it for less, unemployment is high all over the world and still rising.

wut

« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2012, 07:15 »
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This is not my fight at all as I am IS exclusive, but yet again I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much!

If I was an agency I would simply lower all of you guys comissions and ssimply don't even let you know how much %%% you get!
Thats what SS does and everybody seems to be happy with them...

Here we go again! :o ::) As I explained in more detail to someone stating the same on the previous page, it's all about the bottom line. They still earn a lot more than any other agency for the vast majority of contributors. I really don't care what's the RPD, if I get more of the money from them than from all other agencies combined. I wouldn't care if they were paying me 1c/sale. Still better than getting a 10$ but only 20% of those sales, or 1% or so like in the case of Alamy. I admit, I'd feel all nice and warm at the moment I'd get a 200$+ sale, but if they happen so rarely that the bottom line is pathetic compared to the one with 1c sales it doesn't really do me much good now, does it. Bragging rights don't buy you lunches ;)

So if I understand you correctly, you don't really have a problem with 123rf's (for example) percentage, you real
problem is that they don't earn you enough money, right ?
According to your logic, the bigger the agency, the more percentage they are "permitted" to get, right ?

That's what I said before, they don't have the volume and are now going to cut royalties. This, in fact, is much worse than what IS did, at least they had the volume, most are reporting falling sales, though for me are either stagnant or on the slow rise. At 123RF earnings are in a decline and they'll just speed it up now. I don't like both agencies, but moneywise IS is better and IS can't be punished so I skipped them on purpose.
Right, the sad truth, if they're big, we are just David against Goliath

P.S. In a way you have it better as an exclusive, not worrying about such stuff. I don't like focusing on such matters as well, but someting needs and has to be done!

« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2012, 07:24 »
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This is not my fight at all as I am IS exclusive, but yet again I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much!

If I was an agency I would simply lower all of you guys comissions and ssimply don't even let you know how much %%% you get!
Thats what SS does and everybody seems to be happy with them...

Here we go again! :o ::) As I explained in more detail to someone stating the same on the previous page, it's all about the bottom line. They still earn a lot more than any other agency for the vast majority of contributors. I really don't care what's the RPD, if I get more of the money from them than from all other agencies combined. I wouldn't care if they were paying me 1c/sale. Still better than getting a 10$ but only 20% of those sales, or 1% or so like in the case of Alamy. I admit, I'd feel all nice and warm at the moment I'd get a 200$+ sale, but if they happen so rarely that the bottom line is pathetic compared to the one with 1c sales it doesn't really do me much good now, does it. Bragging rights don't buy you lunches ;)

So if I understand you correctly, you don't really have a problem with 123rf's (for example) percentage, you real
problem is that they don't earn you enough money, right ?
According to your logic, the bigger the agency, the more percentage they are "permitted" to get, right ?

That's what I said before, they don't have the volume and are now going to cut royalties. This, in fact, is much worse than what IS did, at least they had the volume, most are reporting falling sales, though for me are either stagnant or on the slow rise. At 123RF earnings are in a decline and they'll just speed it up now. I don't like both agencies, but moneywise IS is better and IS can't be punished so I skipped them on purpose.
Right, the sad truth, if they're big, we are just David against Goliath

P.S. In a way you have it better as an exclusive, not worrying about such stuff. I don't like focusing on such matters as well, but someting needs and has to be done!

So if they had the volume of IS then cutting commissions wouldn't be so bad as they would still be paying for some of your lunches. I think I'm not going to follow ur revolution.

wut

« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2012, 07:33 »
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This is not my fight at all as I am IS exclusive, but yet again I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much!

If I was an agency I would simply lower all of you guys comissions and ssimply don't even let you know how much %%% you get!
Thats what SS does and everybody seems to be happy with them...

Here we go again! :o ::) As I explained in more detail to someone stating the same on the previous page, it's all about the bottom line. They still earn a lot more than any other agency for the vast majority of contributors. I really don't care what's the RPD, if I get more of the money from them than from all other agencies combined. I wouldn't care if they were paying me 1c/sale. Still better than getting a 10$ but only 20% of those sales, or 1% or so like in the case of Alamy. I admit, I'd feel all nice and warm at the moment I'd get a 200$+ sale, but if they happen so rarely that the bottom line is pathetic compared to the one with 1c sales it doesn't really do me much good now, does it. Bragging rights don't buy you lunches ;)

So if I understand you correctly, you don't really have a problem with 123rf's (for example) percentage, you real
problem is that they don't earn you enough money, right ?
According to your logic, the bigger the agency, the more percentage they are "permitted" to get, right ?

That's what I said before, they don't have the volume and are now going to cut royalties. This, in fact, is much worse than what IS did, at least they had the volume, most are reporting falling sales, though for me are either stagnant or on the slow rise. At 123RF earnings are in a decline and they'll just speed it up now. I don't like both agencies, but moneywise IS is better and IS can't be punished so I skipped them on purpose.
Right, the sad truth, if they're big, we are just David against Goliath

P.S. In a way you have it better as an exclusive, not worrying about such stuff. I don't like focusing on such matters as well, but someting needs and has to be done!

So if they had the volume of IS then cutting commissions wouldn't be so bad as they would still be paying for some of your lunches. I think I'm not going to follow ur revolution.

It was about SS, not IS. I suggest you read more carefully before you decide ;)

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2012, 07:43 »
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Im quite new to the forum and not a big shark in the microstock world. But I think I can resonate about this and here is how I see it:

The agencies will survive as long as they have good pictures to provide and costumers that want to buy them. Our role is then none of power because there will always be talented people in the world that want to contribute with images for less money.

It doesn't matter to the agencies if they dump the commissions to the contributors. There is always someone that can be a contributor for less money. Either because they just do it for fun, or because they live in a country where the money is worth more.

I think the agencies can, and probable will, keep lower the commissions to the contributors. They will not have to low supply of good pictures because of this. I can imagine many of us not doing this in 20 years from now, and see a bunch of Indian and Chinese contributors working for 1 cent per subscription download.  :)  

This business is new and it has been a bit "to good to be true" for contributors that was in it from the start where there were not so many pictures and good contributors around. I think we just have to keep settling for less and less paid per image in the future. But we can still make money because we have been in it for a long time and have lots of pictures uploaded, and maybe good positions in search results because of that. So in that regard. We are not screwed in the future. I also think that the demand for microstock pictures will increase in the future due to the growth of internet and computers all over the world.

So we just have to move along with the changes that comes, and keep uploading and improving if we want more and not less money from this. We have no power, but we can enjoy making money from microstock for a long time still!

Or am I wrong?

/Simon

Regardless if for profit or for fun, if contributors' commissions keep getting cut they will eventually run out of money. I can't think of too many people that have a savings account that never goes empty. To do well, this is an expensive business. When enough people can no longer afford to produce images, supply will drop. When supply drops agencies will start losing customers and money because their collection becomes stale and buyers will start looking elsewhere for the right images. At that point the agency will probably drop prices in order to compete which will further accelerate the exodus of whatever contributors are left. The agencies are simply slowly wringing us dry to figure out where "dry" is.

Also, keep in mind that for countries with low living costs, the equipment still costs the same and may be create a pretty high barrier to entering the business.

« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2012, 07:52 »
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This is not my fight at all as I am IS exclusive, but yet again I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much!

If I was an agency I would simply lower all of you guys comissions and ssimply don't even let you know how much %%% you get!
Thats what SS does and everybody seems to be happy with them...

Here we go again! :o ::) As I explained in more detail to someone stating the same on the previous page, it's all about the bottom line. They still earn a lot more than any other agency for the vast majority of contributors. I really don't care what's the RPD, if I get more of the money from them than from all other agencies combined. I wouldn't care if they were paying me 1c/sale. Still better than getting a 10$ but only 20% of those sales, or 1% or so like in the case of Alamy. I admit, I'd feel all nice and warm at the moment I'd get a 200$+ sale, but if they happen so rarely that the bottom line is pathetic compared to the one with 1c sales it doesn't really do me much good now, does it. Bragging rights don't buy you lunches ;)

So if I understand you correctly, you don't really have a problem with 123rf's (for example) percentage, you real
problem is that they don't earn you enough money, right ?
According to your logic, the bigger the agency, the more percentage they are "permitted" to get, right ?

That's what I said before, they don't have the volume and are now going to cut royalties. This, in fact, is much worse than what IS did, at least they had the volume, most are reporting falling sales, though for me are either stagnant or on the slow rise. At 123RF earnings are in a decline and they'll just speed it up now. I don't like both agencies, but moneywise IS is better and IS can't be punished so I skipped them on purpose.
Right, the sad truth, if they're big, we are just David against Goliath

P.S. In a way you have it better as an exclusive, not worrying about such stuff. I don't like focusing on such matters as well, but someting needs and has to be done!

So if they had the volume of IS then cutting commissions wouldn't be so bad as they would still be paying for some of your lunches. I think I'm not going to follow ur revolution.

It was about SS, not IS. I suggest you read more carefully before you decide ;)

Makes no difference, the decision is the same. I've often said that ss don't give good enough royalties. Look at the prices of ELs and then see how much we get. Everyone is happy with their ss income, they don't calculate how much they would be getting if the royalties were at least evenly split. Most of the agencies don't give as much as they really should and the ones that do, when they start getting popular do exactly the same as the what the big agencies do, i.e. take more.

« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2012, 09:33 »
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The only people that win are the agencies. It take a lot of funding to shoot stock...how many can say they've even broke even. At the end of the day the only people that get rich are the agencies...I can't believe how many people give up their hard work for peanuts.

« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2012, 09:40 »
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I won't be leaving, as I sell well at 123RF and I won't be seeing a cut. 

But I actually agree with the sentiment of the original post here, as well as replies who say everyone must make his/her own decision.

If a partner changed the terms of a deal on me, I would have every right to leave.  If I feel I'm being negatively impacted, I would say so, and if I end up being ignored, I would leave.  I would be a fool not to. 

We all should respect every individual's right to make decisions in his or her best interest.  If I were in the shoes of someone upset at the new terms, I would want to leave.  And if you were in my shoes, retaining your rate or even seeing a possible increase, you would want to stay.

The thing I have a hard time respecting is whining.  Or a victim mentality... taking abuse and sticking around for more.  By all means, make noise and try to get the other party to see your side, but if that ultimately doesn't work, you have to make a decision and live with it.  You're no one's slave.

It is really no secret that the folks who shoot full time would not be upset at all to see those who do not shoot full time leave the marketplace. Their departure just leaves a bigger piece of the pie for themselves and conversely if they choose to stay their exploitation to fund company growth could also be seen as beneficial to their bottom line.

The folks who shoot part time are either hobbyist with hit or miss images or they are buyers who produce HCV content as a second business in smaller quantities. Income for the former HCV content is already lower in recent years because that content is buried overnight by volumes of images from hobbyist and factories, so these royalty changes will impact the income of those producers especially in the lower tier sites. 

IS found out what happens when you reduce income for the later camp.

wut

« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2012, 10:35 »
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Makes no difference, the decision is the same. I've often said that ss don't give good enough royalties. Look at the prices of ELs and then see how much we get. Everyone is happy with their ss income, they don't calculate how much they would be getting if the royalties were at least evenly split. Most of the agencies don't give as much as they really should and the ones that do, when they start getting popular do exactly the same as the what the big agencies do, i.e. take more.

What's your point, really? Just a pointless rant, you don't offer any solution

« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2012, 11:37 »
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Makes no difference, the decision is the same. I've often said that ss don't give good enough royalties. Look at the prices of ELs and then see how much we get. Everyone is happy with their ss income, they don't calculate how much they would be getting if the royalties were at least evenly split. Most of the agencies don't give as much as they really should and the ones that do, when they start getting popular do exactly the same as the what the big agencies do, i.e. take more.

What's your point, really? Just a pointless rant, you don't offer any solution

Just stating the facts Wut. None of the top agencies pay us what they know they could pay us and what they should pay us, they don't have to, it's their business, not yours. As I mentioned before unless there is regulation to prevent them, they can do what they want and that's what they do. You're trying to start some kind of movement in this thread, but u yourself are showing ur own selfishness. For you to say you want us to punish agencies like 123rf, but the the big guys are alright cos they send enough money ur way is ludicrous. If 123rf were bringing you as much as ss or other big players, then 123rf would be ok in ur books.

You asked me what my solution is, the answer is noone has one. It's a messed up industry and so are many others.   

« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2012, 12:05 »
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...it's their business, not yours.

Should we just upload all our photos to every agency on the planet and gratefully accept whatever they choose to give us in return? 

« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2012, 12:09 »
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...it's their business, not yours.

Should we just upload all our photos to every agency on the planet and gratefully accept whatever they choose to give us in return? 

If you want, no-one's forcing you either way.


« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2012, 12:26 »
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I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much!

That's kind of my opinion. If I were going to make a naughty list, I'd probably put all the agencies to the right on it. Until I got down to GL, CLO and DS. There are some other good ones in there too, but sales are low or I'm not a contributor.

Obviously though, you can't go to war with everybody, and I made my stands and cuts last year already. 123RF might get axed too, but I'm not really in the mood to make a decision on that until later in the year.

« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2012, 13:05 »
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SS gives me a lot of those 33 cent sales.   PD pays the same but sells next to nothing.    I feel like I did a dumb thing uploading to PD just so they could contribute to price erosion and accelerate that "race to the bottom".

« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2012, 13:24 »
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Surely the only number that matter are those on the top right of the screen?  The agencies are there to make money and wellbeing / happiness of contributors is only relevant in that context.  Seems a little ironic that folks are only complaining about "fairness" from agencies but were perfectly happy for the original 123 proposal to kick in because that would only affect newbies.

wut

« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2012, 14:06 »
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Surely the only number that matter are those on the top right of the screen?  The agencies are there to make money and wellbeing / happiness of contributors is only relevant in that context.

I'm not sure why so many of you are writing about agencies. Yes it's their business, they can do whatever they want, they don't care about us, so why should we care about them and more importantly why wouldn't we care about us, our money? We should be doing what's best for us just as they're doing it for themselves.

wut

« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2012, 14:15 »
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Makes no difference, the decision is the same. I've often said that ss don't give good enough royalties. Look at the prices of ELs and then see how much we get. Everyone is happy with their ss income, they don't calculate how much they would be getting if the royalties were at least evenly split. Most of the agencies don't give as much as they really should and the ones that do, when they start getting popular do exactly the same as the what the big agencies do, i.e. take more.

What's your point, really? Just a pointless rant, you don't offer any solution

Just stating the facts Wut. None of the top agencies pay us what they know they could pay us and what they should pay us, they don't have to, it's their business, not yours. As I mentioned before unless there is regulation to prevent them, they can do what they want and that's what they do. You're trying to start some kind of movement in this thread, but u yourself are showing ur own selfishness. For you to say you want us to punish agencies like 123rf, but the the big guys are alright cos they send enough money ur way is ludicrous. If 123rf were bringing you as much as ss or other big players, then 123rf would be ok in ur books.

You asked me what my solution is, the answer is noone has one. It's a messed up industry and so are many others.   

Well I guess you decided to come and stir sheat up in this thread, since you're playing dumb and mentioning everything I didn't. I said why this isn't pointed at the big agencies. Law and regulations? Sure they can do whatever they want, but so can we. That's the point. If you're so brainwashed to believe otherwise, then I really feel sorry for you. I'm selfish, but they're not? What an absurd statement, now I'm not sure you actually are playing dumb anymore ;D .

« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2012, 14:56 »
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Makes no difference, the decision is the same. I've often said that ss don't give good enough royalties. Look at the prices of ELs and then see how much we get. Everyone is happy with their ss income, they don't calculate how much they would be getting if the royalties were at least evenly split. Most of the agencies don't give as much as they really should and the ones that do, when they start getting popular do exactly the same as the what the big agencies do, i.e. take more.

What's your point, really? Just a pointless rant, you don't offer any solution

Just stating the facts Wut. None of the top agencies pay us what they know they could pay us and what they should pay us, they don't have to, it's their business, not yours. As I mentioned before unless there is regulation to prevent them, they can do what they want and that's what they do. You're trying to start some kind of movement in this thread, but u yourself are showing ur own selfishness. For you to say you want us to punish agencies like 123rf, but the the big guys are alright cos they send enough money ur way is ludicrous. If 123rf were bringing you as much as ss or other big players, then 123rf would be ok in ur books.

You asked me what my solution is, the answer is noone has one. It's a messed up industry and so are many others.   

Well I guess you decided to come and stir sheat up in this thread, since you're playing dumb and mentioning everything I didn't. I said why this isn't pointed at the big agencies. Law and regulations? Sure they can do whatever they want, but so can we. That's the point. If you're so brainwashed to believe otherwise, then I really feel sorry for you. I'm selfish, but they're not? What an absurd statement, now I'm not sure you actually are playing dumb anymore ;D .

I never said that they're not, they are undoubtedly selfish. They are looking after themselves, you are too. You didn't want to punish 123rf when they announced commission cuts for newbies. At that time you felt that you were privileged.
Well at least for once I'm among the privileged. The first time ever and I missed all the promotions too (like 10c for every accepted file at DP etc)

wut

« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2012, 15:18 »
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Makes no difference, the decision is the same. I've often said that ss don't give good enough royalties. Look at the prices of ELs and then see how much we get. Everyone is happy with their ss income, they don't calculate how much they would be getting if the royalties were at least evenly split. Most of the agencies don't give as much as they really should and the ones that do, when they start getting popular do exactly the same as the what the big agencies do, i.e. take more.

What's your point, really? Just a pointless rant, you don't offer any solution

Just stating the facts Wut. None of the top agencies pay us what they know they could pay us and what they should pay us, they don't have to, it's their business, not yours. As I mentioned before unless there is regulation to prevent them, they can do what they want and that's what they do. You're trying to start some kind of movement in this thread, but u yourself are showing ur own selfishness. For you to say you want us to punish agencies like 123rf, but the the big guys are alright cos they send enough money ur way is ludicrous. If 123rf were bringing you as much as ss or other big players, then 123rf would be ok in ur books.

You asked me what my solution is, the answer is noone has one. It's a messed up industry and so are many others.   

Well I guess you decided to come and stir sheat up in this thread, since you're playing dumb and mentioning everything I didn't. I said why this isn't pointed at the big agencies. Law and regulations? Sure they can do whatever they want, but so can we. That's the point. If you're so brainwashed to believe otherwise, then I really feel sorry for you. I'm selfish, but they're not? What an absurd statement, now I'm not sure you actually are playing dumb anymore ;D .

I never said that they're not, they are undoubtedly selfish. They are looking after themselves, you are too. You didn't want to punish 123rf when they announced commission cuts for newbies. At that time you felt that you were privileged.
Well at least for once I'm among the privileged. The first time ever and I missed all the promotions too (like 10c for every accepted file at DP etc)

And then they broke the deal, a digusting move IMO. Your point being? Selfishness because I'm against cuts? As I said this is for the greater good, even those who're not willing to sacrifice a small, usually super minimal part of their income for getting more in the long run will benefit from this, if we pull it through. How's that selfish? I would be among those willing to earn less for a while...I could understand it if you said I made a selfish statement once. But who hasn't and more importantly what has that got to do with what I'm trying to achieve here? I suggest we focus on the task at hand, not personal imperfections ;)

helix7

« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2012, 15:29 »
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This is not my fight at all as I am IS exclusive, but yet again I fail to understand how are SS any better when they are probably paying one of the worst commitions out there!  (exept IS, for indys that is), not only is it so low, you don't even know how much...

What? The rates are posted on the site. I get $0.38 for subs, close to 30% for multi ODs, 30% for single ODs. The subs rate is one of the best in the business. And 30% isn't great but it's not bad either. Certainly not "one of the worst."
 

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