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So you would rather have your commissions cut and get your crappy photos accepted...

I like SS, if they reject it, it is for a good reason.. Work harder, instead of complaining..

You may have hit on the two problems right here.  Sounds like your concepts are good, and you have access to models.  But SS (and the others too to a degree) are increasingly picky about lighting, and appearance of the photo (accomplished in post).  

Sounds like you are shooting outdoors in sunny conditions.  Living in Florida, I do a lot of that too.  Are you modifying your light?  I find that shooting in the shade and using a reflector or fill light to make the models pop is a way to really brighten the image.  I have not been very happy with the look of images shot in direct sunlight with no modification.  If you are already doing that, then the issue must be your post processing, as you suggest.

People will tell you jpeg is as good as RAW.  Maybe in perfectly controlled studio situations it is.  But shooting outdoors using natural light, you really need the extra manipulation you get with a RAW file.  I don't mean fixing mistakes.  Garbage in, garbage out.  But even on a well shot image, proper post processing will make it look a lot better, and RAW allows you to push the contrast and color without adding artifacts, unlike jpeg.  Here's an example:




Oh, and in answer to your original question - lowering commissions is a lot worse.  If you are getting rejections, you can improve your images and technical skills to give them what they want.  With commission cuts there is absolutely nothing you can do about it short of quitting altogether. 

Tnx for the tips Lisa, but I'm not that bad to not know the basics . I'll PM you a link to my port, it'll be a lot easier than describing what and how I do it and I'll actually save your time too, it'll take 15 seconds for you to see exactly what I do

It wasn't taken in such a way

Tnx Lisa. Not top level, I'm not satisfied with the lighting when I'm using studio lights, but then again I can make excuses, such as lacking the knowledge and not being easy to do everything with a single 60x60 softbox and an umbrella. And currently I'm frustrated with the lack of my imagination :s

How can you call his work crappy if you haven't seen it?  I don't blame him for being anonymous.  He's probably too embarrassed being associated with the likes of people like you.  I don't know who's worse, the greedy agents that cut commissions, or the smartarses in here that don't allow anyone to discuss issues and try to come up with solutions.  This forum has become a joke and is full of snotty middle aged kids.  Seriously... grow up!  

This is why I'm now not sure about continuing with my direct selling project... because along with decent contributors that it'd help out, it'd also be helping A-holes like you and VB that do nothing but go around insulting people's work.  I may still go ahead with it, but if I do, it'll be by invitation only... just so I can live with myself.

If you are anonymous on this forum, get ready for any kind of comments.. I used to be anonymous and used to get lots of a-holes(as you describe it) attacking me without seeing my work.. I don't blame people for doing that.. If you want any sort of credibility you have to show your work..

His work may be awesome but I have no chance of seeing that.. If he complains about rejections, then he should show us examples to prove shutterstock is wrong.. if not than he sounds like one of the newbies who complains on shutterstock forums all the time when they don't get the initial 10 approved.. yes, I am talking about those kids who knows photography better than anybody who runs one of the biggest stockphoto websites that is shutterstock..

But why do you have to take it there?  Why assume that his images are 'crappy'.  The guy (or girl) has already said they were sitting on 90% AR for the last six months and then it switched to almost 100% rejection.  If you're going to assume anything using the little information you have, shouldn't you assume that his images are not crappy and that there's obviously something off going on with the reviewers there.  What if it suddenly turns around for you and you then get 100% rejections, should we all call your images "crappy" because shutterstock suddenly starting rejecting them?

Some of the people here are just rude and it's constant comments like yours that pop up out of nowhere making people get their backs up and turning every thread into a mess.  What is the point of this forum if grown up contributors can't discuss their experiences without someone snapping at them for no reason.  I'm finding I'm always getting IS exclusives talking rubbish to me for no reason at all other than to get me fired up and then I lose focus on point of the thread.  I'll get fired up then more people jump in and the thread becomes another waste of time.  Likewise you have anonymous posters copping endless crap from others here for no reason other than because they're anonymous.  They have their reasons for being anonymous so why can't people respect that?


Microbius, you're right, but I changed it because for the last few weeks I've been mostly discussing the selling direct project which I'm probably going to scrap... I didn't want people to expect it and I didn't want people to continue contacting me about it both here and on my sites.  Also I probably won't be posting as much in here now that I don't intend to go ahead with it... at least for a while anyway.  I really wanted to discuss the Fotolia (and microstock problem in general) but it just seems impossible to discuss anything here most times.  I'm still interested in reading about issues though but even that is a bit of a waste of time because every thread turns out like this one.  It's ruining the forum.

Microbius, no, it's not even about making a fresh start.  It's more about being left alone over the selling direct project because people were reading a lot of my older posts in various threads about the idea and contacting me.  I don't know what to tell people now if they ask me.  Right now I'm turned off over it and want to put it on the backburner while I focus on a few other things but who knows, maybe in a few months, if there's more interest in selling direct, I may resurrect it.  People were also curious and contacting me over another idea I brought up and I don't want them contacting me over that either... I may need to patent it first.

But back on topic.  I hope people lighten up a bit in here.  No one should be surprised over the increase in rejections, but Slovenian is right, what does a person do in the situation where they suddenly get almost 100% rejections.  Do they quit?  What if it starts happening to you or I in the near future? 

Everyone's getting pissed over lowered commissions and higher rejections and taking it out on each other here.  Instead of supporting each other, we've become each others' punching bags.  No issue can ever be resolved if every comment is purely driven by emotion.   We may all be competitors but we're also the only people that can relate and understand each other and what we do.  Instead of bashing each other, why can't we all put our collective minds together and come up with better ways.  Even if we don't come up with it ourselves, chances are that some entrepreneur will be reading what we're all saying and may come up with something where we all benefit.  But if every thread turns into just bitching, it will never happen.

Mantis!  have hit it on the nail!  involving God in micro. Well?  thats certainly an angle I havent considered. Sure would like to give it a try though

you just denied a handful of mine... : D

Wow, I can't believe, I finally got a batch through with 100% approval (5/5). If it would get the usual (for the last month or so) 80%-100% rejection I'd just hold of from uploading for a few weeks.

I have not uploaded anything in over two years (except at new sites Warmpicture and Stockfresh, but that's old material anyway), so commission cuts hurt me immensely.