Who copied whom?

Elenathewise

« on: March 02, 2011, 13:46 »

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I've seen many copies and plagiarism before but this one shines:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-57840304/stock-photo-attractive-young-healthy-woman-eating-a-green-apple-and-carrying-a-weight-scale-isolated-over.html
and
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-22944526/stock-photo-young-woman-eating-apple-and-carrying-a-weight-scale-over-white-background.html

I wonder who copied whom:)


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RacePhoto

« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2011, 13:57 »

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Quote from: Elenathewise on March 02, 2011, 13:46

The Yuri version has a file number 34 million lower than the second one. Is that a hint at the right answer?


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cclapper

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2011, 14:00 »

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Quote from: RacePhoto on March 02, 2011, 13:57

Quote from: Elenathewise on March 02, 2011, 13:46

The Yuri version has a file number 34 million lower than the second one. Is that a hint at the right answer?

That would be my guess too. And I think Yuri's lighting is much more excellent.


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lisafx

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2011, 14:04 »

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Quote from: RacePhoto on March 02, 2011, 13:57

The Yuri version has a file number 34 million lower than the second one. Is that a hint at the right answer?

Yeah, this is a pretty obvious example. Yuri's is so much better, you have to wonder why the other guy even bothered uploading this. Not only is it plagiarism, but it is a very poorly executed copy. I think Yuri's sales on that image are safe Wink

Elena, did you contact SS to bring this to their attention?


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Elenathewise

« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2011, 14:05 »

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Yup looks like someone's decided to directly reproduce Yuri's image - I mean, I've seen people getting "inspired" by someone else's work, but this is just plain copying - the pose, the crop. Lighting sucks though I agree:)


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Elenathewise

« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2011, 14:07 »

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Quote from: lisafx on March 02, 2011, 14:04

Quote from: RacePhoto on March 02, 2011, 13:57

The Yuri version has a file number 34 million lower than the second one. Is that a hint at the right answer?

Elena, did you contact Shutterstock to bring this to their attention?

I just found it while browsing - did not contact SS. Both images are on the first page of the search though, so believe it or not the "copy" image is getting good sales too.


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ProArtwork

« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2011, 14:14 »

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Should be reported! It's amazing how low people are willing to go for a few bucks.


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lisafx

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2011, 14:16 »

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Quote from: Elenathewise on March 02, 2011, 14:07

I just found it while browsing - did not contact Shutterstock. Both images are on the first page of the search though, so believe it or not the "copy" image is getting good sales too.

Yikes. It IS hard to believe. Can't understand how someone could see those two images on the same page and opt for the crappy knockoff?!!


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cthoman

« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2011, 14:18 »

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It's one thing to copy the idea, but taking the keywords too is pretty cheesy.


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zenpix

« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 14:20 »

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how is that pagerisim?

2 diff models
2 diff scales
2 diff apples

The person did not buy/steal his photo and then passes it as his own!?

Does Youri own a patent on the pose concept? banning anyone else from posing with a scale and apple on a white background!!!!

I have been watching people overreact with stuff like this for a while and i never say anything. But i know for a fact we have copied poses and concepts in our own ports, no?


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BaldricksTrousers

« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 14:23 »

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It's not really a concept of stunning originality, is it? It may very well be a copy but accusing particular people of plagiarism on a public forum with no more evidence than that there are two remarkably similar images is potentially unfair, damaging and possibly libelous.


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sjlocke

« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2011, 14:33 »

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Yuri's model is nicer to look at, the composition and pose are better, the lighting and exposure are spot on, and the scale doesn't look like it came from Walmart.

Point, yuri. This is a case where the better shot wins.


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RacePhoto

« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2011, 14:43 »

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Quote from: zenpix on March 02, 2011, 14:20

Want a link to a legal page where it has been tested in court? The person who copied, lost, a number of times. Based on the pose, dress, and situation.

You can be too close to the original by copying important elements of a photograph. In this case, it's not just a concept that's copied. The second indication is the title which isn't just coincidence and almost identical.

Yes there are many ways to photograph a girl with a scale and maybe even the apple is just a common elements for healthful food. But add the pose, the outfit, the body position, and you get, mighty difficult to believe it was just a coincidence.

I'm amused, but not surprised.


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Elenathewise

« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2011, 14:50 »

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Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on March 02, 2011, 14:23

Well, here come rhetorical questions:)

Of course the concept is not new or original, and it doesn't have to be. For example, same concept here:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-71881603/stock-photo-young-beautiful-sporty-woman-isolated-on-white.html

In this example it's just photographer's execution of a well-known concept, not copying. When somebody puts an effort into reproducing the photo as exactly as they can - same pose, even same amount of white space on the right - that's copying. Nothing unfair or unjust about calling this a copy - it's a pretty obvious one... isn't it? Wink


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Phil

« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2011, 14:55 »

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Quote from: RacePhoto on March 02, 2011, 14:43

Quote from: zenpix on March 02, 2011, 14:20

I'm amused, but not surprised.

different white background


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loop

« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2011, 14:57 »

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Quote from: sjlocke on March 02, 2011, 14:33

Yes, it seems copied.
On the other hand, the model in the weak photo has a clear "real people" look that sometimes, for some campaigns, could be useful too.


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zenpix

« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2011, 15:01 »

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OK, makes sense.

its that sometimes i see someone going too far, complaing "my photo" was copied.
but it was just the concept that was copied. Not the photo exactly!

In this case i see what u guys are saying its an obvious attempt to "EXACTLY" copy yuries photo.

Its a fine line.

What if i copied the photo in question and varied the angel. Camera high right for example. Did i copy it of was i just "inspired"?

Anyway you guys ar right, its a blatant attempt to copy his photo.


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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2011, 15:03 »

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i prefer the 1st (non yuri) photo. cuter model, more natural pose than the second. the scale is more in balance with the body. yuri's scale seems to overpower the model. it's not a matter of technical superiority as much as taste and usage.

it's hard to tell who copied whom though. it's possible yuri saw the 1st photo and tried to improve upon it, which everyone seems to agree.


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zenpix

« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2011, 15:05 »

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But wait, on the other hand does that mean that NO ONE EVER can make the same photo as Yuries ever again?


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BaldricksTrousers

« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2011, 15:05 »

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Quote from: Elenathewise on March 02, 2011, 14:50

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on March 02, 2011, 14:23

Well, you're probably right on this one. The similarity in keywords looks more than accidental.

As it does here...
http://tinyurl.com/5vwcfnu


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djpadavona

« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2011, 15:14 »

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With 10-15 million images on these sites, I think it is safe to say plenty has been copied. The other girl looks fine to me, but Yuri's model is much better lit. I'm surprised the other one made it past the inspectors given how stringent lighting requirements have become.


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Ariene

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2011, 15:33 »

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Wow, this is fine example how great pictures Yuri is taking Cheesy


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Perry

« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2011, 15:38 »

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It's impossible to say if the second image is a copy or not. The concept isn't that complex. But yes, it's likely a work of a copycat, not that there is nothing wrong with that because you cannot copyright a concept.

BTW I think the second image (NOT-Yuri) could be used for an editorial article better than Yuri's image, because it looks more "real".

What about these: (some of these make me laugh


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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2011, 15:52 »

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Quote from: Perry on March 02, 2011, 15:38

BTW I think the second image (NOT-Yuri) could be used for an editorial article better than Yuri's image, because it looks more "real".

But apple looks plastic Wink


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velocicarpo

« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2011, 16:00 »

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Microstock lives of copying. Not that I like it...I got angry like a million times about someone who was copying my stuff. But in the same moment I have to admit that sometimes some of the guys who copied from me really made a better job and brought the quality to a new level or helped the evolution of the "look and feel" by doing their own version. Just in this comparison I probably would go for the Copy instead of buying the Yuri version. The light is jsut too professional, too sterile, and the copy is more natural....but off course this depends on the use.
What I want to say is: I don`t think it would be a good idea to hunt down all "probably this guy copied from me" versions. It would make everybody paranoid since the generic, good selling concepts and images are limited in number and variation, no one could sleep well anymore and limit the evolution of the market would be limited.

Therefore, 2005, when some really made CLEAR copies of my images, I finally decided not to complain or start any action and I still think it was a good decision. You can`t stop it anyways.

When the guy would have used a simmilar balance and clothing for the models, THEN I think for me personally the line would be crossed...

Just my 2c...


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