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Topic: Would you consider going fulltime on $200 a weekday?  

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VB inc


« on: May 11, 2010, 21:58 »

Very general question, but if you were consistently pulling in over $150 to $250 a day (weekday) from microstock and revenues actually were going up from month to month as u put more time in it, would you do this fulltime? Im just curious on the ones that jumped on the fulltime boat if this was roughly the amount of income they started with...


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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2010, 22:10 »

Close, but no. I'd need at least $300 per day to even consider it.


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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2010, 22:35 »

that question will vary based on everyones current income level. somebody working at McDonalds or going to school and only working part-time will say hell yeah !!!! others would look at $200 a day as an insult .. some just wouldn't care either way. a lot of lifestyle comes into play too .. how high-maintenance are you? $200 a day might not cut it.
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Digital66


« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2010, 23:36 »

Can anyone actually generate a minimum of $200.00 a weekday ($4330.00 a month only from weekdays) without being working on this fulltime?  

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 00:30 »

That is significantly less that I currently make at my day job.... but if I had to, I could live on it (as long as my wife keeps on working).  Cheesy


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lagereek


« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 01:03 »

In Stockholm and London where Im active, a gallon of petrol is about 8 bucks, a pint of lager in a pub about 9 bucks!  need I say more?


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VB inc


« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 01:21 »

Can anyone actually generate a minimum of $200.00 a weekday ($4330.00 a month only from weekdays) without being working on this fulltime?  

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I guess you have a point... sort of. Since im more of an illustrator, vectors generate more than 80% of the sales for me as an istock exclusive. ive been a member there for a long time slowly growing my portfolio every year. These days, with the increase in prices, money is pretty good and tempting (not 200 minimum a day but not far off).  I'm just trying to see at which point did contributors with jobs quit their jobs to go at this fulltime. I tend to think that vectors doesn't have as much competition in micro as photos. But i also see very talented vector artists joining recently at istock and i know in microstock getting in early is better than being late. I still dont think it is too late for vectors... photos maybe.


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fotografer
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2010, 02:17 »

I agree.  When/if I get to 300$ consistently on weekdays I will seriously consider it.

 
Close, but no. I'd need at least $300 per day to even consider it.


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ShadySue
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2010, 02:19 »

Very general question, but if you were consistently pulling in over $150 to $250 a day (weekday) from microstock and revenues actually were going up from month to month as u put more time in it, would you do this fulltime? Im just curious on the ones that jumped on the fulltime boat if this was roughly the amount of income they started with...
Too general by far. I would (but I'm nowhere near that amount!), but only because I'm almost at the age I can apply for early retirement and that would make up the difference. My pension is in place, but will be reduced if I go 'early'. Certainly not if I had to live on that with no other income. A lot would depend on where you lived - in some countries, that would be a phenomenally good salary.
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fotografer
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2010, 02:21 »

I also agree with this and I think it's true for all the sites that I contribute to except maybe SS. People starting with photos nowadays have to be the best to anywhere near catch up with the old timers as far as placement in searches goes.  Vector contributors seem to have a better chance.
at istock and i know in microstock getting in early is better than being late. I still dont think it is too late for vectors... photos maybe.


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lagereek


« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 02:51 »

I also agree with this and I think it's true for all the sites that I contribute to except maybe SS. People starting with photos nowadays have to be the best to anywhere near catch up with the old timers as far as placement in searches goes.  Vector contributors seem to have a better chance.
at istock and i know in microstock getting in early is better than being late. I still dont think it is too late for vectors... photos maybe.

which is only fair enough I would say.


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fotografer
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 03:25 »

Exactly,  I am so grateful that I started when I did instead of trying to get into it now.


which is only fair enough I would say.


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Oldhand


« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 04:45 »

The question should be, how much more can I make full time?

Yes I know, how longs a piece of string and all that, but you should have an idea how much you can increase your output with the extra hours.

I cut my hours down in my proper job bit by bit so I could grow my own library of pics and see how much I would make. Eventually, I gave up the security, and went full time on my own.

Ten years later it's coming full circle  children are older, life is more expensive. I could do with some regular hours to supplement my photography income.

It's something that need a lot of thinking about.

Oldhand


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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 05:10 »

I don't know if you'll get much useful info here on this forum.  The question you need to ask yourself is are your monthly expenses more or less then you make.  If the answer is more then your expenses go for it! If not then...


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lagereek


« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 05:33 »

Exactly,  I am so grateful that I started when I did instead of trying to get into it now.


which is only fair enough I would say.

I think starting fresh today would just turn into such an uphill struggle that youd get fed up with it, changes of search engines, etc, I think it would be very difficult.
We probably started just in time.


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Microbius
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2010, 06:07 »

I would certainly go full time. Not because it is a lot of money-- what we are forgetting is that money isn't everything.
For me there is no better way to make a living, no boss, no awkward clients and flexible hours, need I say more


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sjlocke

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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2010, 06:25 »

Very general question, but if you were consistently pulling in over $150 to $250 a day (weekday) from microstock and revenues actually were going up from month to month as u put more time in it, would you do this fulltime? Im just curious on the ones that jumped on the fulltime boat if this was roughly the amount of income they started with...

Heck no.  After taxes, that would be $100 a day, plus all the expenses of insurance, equipment, etc.  That's not nearly enough cushion in case of unexpected drops or anything else.  You need to figure out what you need to live on, add in all the costs associated, and then double it.  (and that still wasn't enough for me to quit my job yet)

Unless you're single and living in your mom's basement or something where you have absolutely no risk at all.


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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 06:32 »

Depends on where you live. Here, with $200 a day, you would be awfully rich.


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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2010, 08:11 »

Heck no.  After taxes, that would be $100 a day, plus all the expenses of insurance, equipment, etc. 

Sean - Bit off topic but are you telling me in the US you can't offset your business running costs against tax?

@ the OP, it's circumstantial and can't be answered correctly without knowing your individual case in detail, for example if you can earn $150-$250 a day on microstock only spending eight hours a week doing it whilst working in full time employment then it stands to reason you'd make a lot more if you committed to it full time, whether the amount you forecast to make is enough for you to live on is something only you can judge.

What I can tell you is that the desire to make money and work hard enough in order to do so is a fundamental necessity once you're self employed, you also need to consider there will be a lead in period before your income changes from the amount you're getting part time to the amount you've predicted you'll make full time, it doesn't suddenly rise overnight. One thing's for sure, with the state the microstock industry is in at the moment I wouldn't want to be considering the leap.


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PowerDroid



« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2010, 08:13 »

Many people look at their paychecks and think that dollar amount you see is what you make.  You have to add in your benefits like health care, paid vacation time, 401K match or a pension (if such things exist anymore).  Your actual compensation could be worth twice what you're actually seeing in your paycheck.  Could you cover those added forms of compensation with your microstock income even at $200 or $300 a day?

I look at my microstock revenue as my second income, and even if it gets to $300 a day, I'll still keep the day job.  I'm putting in about 2 hours a day on microstock, and I'll keep it that way.  When you have kids to put through college and retirement to plan for, there's no such thing as "enough money."

But it's nice to know that if I lost the day job, I could coast on the side income for a while, maybe even take a low-pressure, relatively low-paying job that gives me benefits like health care.  


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sjlocke

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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2010, 08:19 »

Sean - Bit off topic but are you telling me in the US you can't offset your business running costs against tax?

Oh, you can.  You can write off health insurance, equipment, etc.  But basically, it just comes off your income before the income is taxed, so it's like you're getting it for %30 off.  But some things like life insurance and disability that I pay are after tax - ie., I pay them after I "pay myself".  That way, the benefits that might come from them aren't taxed on payment, since they were paid for with after tax money.  That's how I understand it.  If my business paid for those benefits, and I deducted them, I would have to pay taxes on the payments if I ever needed them.

Anyways, I plan, in the end, on only having about 60% of what I make in my pocket.
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cthoman



« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2010, 09:31 »

I assume we are talking about roughly 50k a year. That seems like enough to make the jump, but Sean is right. Taxes and expenses really take a bite out of things when you are self employed. As for me, I'm not sure if I'd want to do stock full time. I kind of like having breaks from stock to keep my mind fresh. Whether you do that with a full time job, part time job or freelance or contract work, it's nice to have something else to do to keep you interested and focused on stock. Otherwise, it just becomes another full time job.  Smiley


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MatHayward



« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2010, 09:59 »

I couldn't do it for that amount but it would be a good starting point for many I am sure as long as you had a solid plan in place to utilize your time as a legitimate full time job creating new and sellable images as well as uploading and keywording consistently. 

I would assume that if you are competent (and you should be at a couple hundred bucks a day part time) that with the increase in productivity your work will also improve and your income should rise pretty steadily.  I would be very wary and determined to ensure that I did put the work in however.  Seems like it would be pretty easy to become complacent and relax with steady income flowing in on the work you have already completed. 

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tdoes


« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2010, 10:42 »

Not enough to go full time but would be great residual income!


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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2010, 10:55 »

I think most of you people need a reality check: 75% of working people in the USA earn less than $50k, and 88% earn less than $75k (USA Census Bureau, 2008). Referring to $50k as "residual income" or mentioning it in the same breath as a McDonald's or student wage is way, way, way, out of touch with reality, as is regarding it as an insufficient salary to provide a good quality of life. From his grammar, I'm guessing that the OP doesn't live in the USA, which may make $50k USD even more significant. As whitechild said, if he was making that much he'd "be awfully rich".

To answer the question, I started doing this full time in Jan 2007 - with zero images and zero microstock income - and haven't ever looked back or regretted it. I'm fortunate to live in Canada, where healthcare is taken care of. For what it's worth, I agree with Microbius:

I would certainly go full time. Not because it is a lot of money-- what we are forgetting is that money isn't everything.
For me there is no better way to make a living, no boss, no awkward clients and flexible hours, need I say more
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