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Yuri_Arcurs

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« on: September 24, 2012, 05:18 »
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 05:29 »
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haha, nothing like being open about your plagiarism.  I don't think there is much to be worried about though, Dudau makes a pretty convincing argument.  It doesn't generally pay to compete with someone at their own game, especially when they have nearly a 10 year head start.  If I were to give advice to a newcommer (and the advice I give myself) .. is to take a look at what Yuri (and others) are shooting and shoot something else.  There is no point in trying to compete.  The more alone you are in a niche the better.


« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 05:30 »
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Well...I wonder what DT's reaction will be.

On the other hand - looking at this image I'm afraid that this guy is unfit to plead. 
http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-butterfly-net-image26227890

I'll be looking at all his latest uploads and making the exact same thing.  :o

« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 05:32 »
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What an idiot. Sure, be inspired by what other people do, learn what works and sells and what doesn't. Then make your own stuff.

Pablo Picasso: "Bad artists copy, great artists steal."

« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2012, 05:43 »
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Doh! How come nobody thought up such a brilliant idea before? It takes a complete newbie, with a fresh pair of eyes and 'blue sky thinking', to put us all to shame and lead us down the path to guaranteed success.

Now __ what was that bloke's name again? Yuri-something I think Mudplucker said? I need to get to work!

« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2012, 05:57 »
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What Leaf said.  Still, it's someone who is brand new and doesn't know any better, how many more established contributors are trying to do this but just not posting about it?

« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2012, 06:04 »
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this resembles me my own adventures on Shutterstock and my efforts fighting copycats. And this is not only newbies (this guy from DT was just stupid enough to post about it ), but I've been riped off by people with 40k+ images in their port.

Shutterstock forum thread

Just shameless.

« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 07:05 »
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so there is nothing to worry, next time take some time to make it more interesting, this contributor wont go anywhere, dont see why you are so concerned, is it about him knowing that? I guess everybody with 2 finger forehead knows that ;D

I would be more worried about your students and second shooters already contributing to stock, yes they are your friends we know that ;D

« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 07:06 »
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We are all looking at a lot of pictures to get inspiration and to be updated with trends. Sometimes we also study a specific  photographer.
At least I do. There are so many great guys out there.

And yes, I have also studied Yuri, and found out his success started when C... baked a bread, -isnt that right Yuri?
Well maybe not.

Now this guy on DT is rather naive to directly say "Making the exact same thing", but then again, the whole stock business is a copy mashine, and many do a lot of copying, and some might even live from it. Just look at alle the girls with headsets and other concepts.
Still its not worthy and nothing to be proud of.
Also Im sure originality and being a step ahead  sells better, and also gives you a better sleep at night.

« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 07:19 »
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I 've noticed big change in mentality of new generations!
Arrogance is a right word for that!
You can see  arrogance of new members also in microstock...
Yuri, this is a "classic"example...
You may notice that many of new members on this forum have type of conversation like they are almost 10 years in microstock...
They don't want to ask ( probably it is beneath their dignity), they want to provoke older member on debate so then they can collect informations...
They want instant everything, no patience, we all are guilty for them, they are destined for success etc.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2012, 07:23 by borg »

« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 07:31 »
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this is nothing new and has been happening since day 1 and will continue to happen..
the thing I found most offensive is the naiveity or just plan lack of intelligence on this newbs part to openly brag about it on the forum - what possible good can come from doing this?

outright plagerism is dead wrong, but for others to shoot similars , well, theres just no stemming that tide.

even when someone comes up with a unique idea ( i.e  finger people) it is only a matter of time before there are a boatload of similars, its just part of the business - all you can do is think of the next new idea and make sure your work stands out with regard to quality.

Look at the bigger world of manufacturing - X product is made - not long thereafter imitations crop up for cheaper ( i.e. China)  What to do?  Make sure your product is superior in quality... thats all

tab62

« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2012, 09:12 »
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this is why you don't mix 'Crack' with Microstock- very dangerous thing  :o


« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 09:18 »
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Yuri, why don't you photograph a butterfly net over blue and photoshop a couple of fake butterflies onto the background to steal all his sales. That would teach him a lesson!

« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 09:28 »
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Just stunning to see someone be such a shining example of moral bankruptcy and stupidity - the whole package!

I'm sure DT will keep a close eye on this numb nuts

« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 09:35 »
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Why would they need to keep an eye on him.  Yuri is a mentor to many, including some here, and myself.  To be influenced, and understand the mechanics of the trade, just as Yuri did himself many years ago, is perfectly fine.

In the end, the photo is going to stand up for itself, and if one can "research" the gaps in the market along with Yuri, then kudos, job well done.  I for one wouldnt be sharing it on a forum.  Id be shooting shitloads to fill the gap.

In the end, if he makes a buck off a few inspired shots good stuff, isnt that why were all here.

traveler1116

« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2012, 09:37 »
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Just stunning to see someone be such a shining example of moral bankruptcy and stupidity - the whole package!

I'm sure DT will keep a close eye on this numb nuts
Are you sure about that?  Two admins have commented that you shouldn't copy his work because "Chances are you'll end up being just a bad copy" or "The best way to be successful is to develop your own style.".   I would expect a threat to be banned and an unequivocal statement that this kind of thing won't be tolerated.

« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2012, 09:54 »
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Why would they need to keep an eye on him.  Yuri is a mentor to many, including some here, and myself.  To be influenced, and understand the mechanics of the trade, just as Yuri did himself many years ago, is perfectly fine...

Taking inspiration is one thing - if you read what this person said, it was to make "the exact same thing" which isn't at all the same as learning from or being inspired by. Duplicating shots isn't OK and that's what he's advocating.


RT


« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2012, 10:01 »
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Yuri maybe you've upset this guy in the past, it's a very strange thing to say openly on a forum like that.

« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2012, 10:04 »
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Even makers of physical products, like watches and handbags, can't completely prevent knockoffs - what chance do we have of protecting digital products?   

The people doing this see the internet as an opportunity to run any sort of money-making games against people they'll never have to confront in person - people who 'exist' only as anonymous handles or email addresses.  But I'm sure the owners of microstock agencies like DT don't feel that way.  Not at all.    ;)

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2012, 10:05 »
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Yuri maybe you've upset this guy in the past, it's a very strange thing to say openly on a forum like that.
I thought it was tongue-in-cheek at first, then I wasn't so sure. Very weird if he posted it actually meaning it, and what was the point of the post?
He may be a newbie as in only having 8 files on DT, but he has made over 50 posts, apparently.
Well, he's very carey-sharey, sharing his great new idea with the whole community.  :o ::)

« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2012, 10:06 »
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Copying a photographer is a difficult thing to do.  Even if you set the same scene and shot the same style.  The two photos are going to be vastly different.  I hardly see it as plagerism.  Now taking a Yuri photo and uploading it as your own, thats plagerism.

We all browse through the libraries looking for things to copy, i mean inspire us.

If the guy is good at his work, and has the equipment to compete, then i honestly dont see any issue.  This guys photo is what is going to be the deciding factor, not the fact that he chose to copy a style. 

And Yuri shoots alot of stuff with Model Releases, uploads 400 a month to only ONE stock agency, its hardly worth worrying about.  The work will either be crap and want pass QC or it will pass and make some money. 

Who loses, no one.

« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2012, 10:15 »
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Copying a photographer is a difficult thing to do.  Even if you set the same scene and shot the same style.  The two photos are going to be vastly different.  I hardly see it as plagerism.  Now taking a Yuri photo and uploading it as your own, thats plagerism.

 

No. That would be plain theft, and it's easier to deal with.

Plagiarism is copying.

« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2012, 10:20 »
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At this very moment - an entire city in China is being set up as a microstock factory.  Thousands of photographers, assistants and models are being trained to systematically identify and copy every money-making photo on all the big sites.   The Chinese government will first deny any knowledge of this operation, then claim to be taking action against it, while all the time collecting 30% of its gross proceeds.

Did I just make this up? I'm not sure.


« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2012, 10:22 »
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Copying a photographer is a difficult thing to do.  Even if you set the same scene and shot the same style.  The two photos are going to be vastly different.  I hardly see it as plagerism.  Now taking a Yuri photo and uploading it as your own, thats plagerism.

 

No. That would be plain theft, and it's easier to deal with.

Plagiarism is copying.

ain't that a little too much? a woman with a headset or a guy behind a desk looking at a laptop? wasnt that done back in the 70s or 80s? or the famous handshake? Yuri copied them too?

« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2012, 10:26 »
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Lets get real here.  We have a silly naive post from a beginner and the villagers are gathering pitchforks like he was raping babies. The subject matter here is as generic stock as it gets and emulated across all the sites by beginners and established practitioners alike even if the execution doesnt come close. 


 

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