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« on: April 24, 2008, 07:07 »
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Some say: 'The less you say, the more people leave you alone.'
Another
"Confess your sins and you shall be free"
Two conflicting pieces of advice.

The last thing I want people to know are my weaknesses and faults.
Why? Because I don't want them to know just how stupid or how vulnerable I can be.
It's probably an instinct connected to self preservation and my will to survive.

I have many short comings, and a lot of character defects, that I prefer you not know about.
I have a hard time covering them up, and hiding them in general. Least of which I'm not about
to spew my guts out in a public forum.

So the question of the day is:
Why do some of us here advertise and publicize our rejections by reviewers?

There is nothing to be gained by it. I mean it's not part of a learning process.
And truth be known, I could give 2 sh*ts about your rejections.
You have by your confession instructed me to think you are less than a good photographer or artist.

My belief is that there are those who post information about rejections as though to point out faults
of certain websites i.e. "I submitted 100 images on XXX and they rejected everyone but 2"
This is interpreted by as "What lousy reviewers on XXX site" "They have no taste for my most excellent images"
It's another case of "I'm OK...your not"

So think about it the next time your about to inform us about you short comings.
NO ONE GIVES A CRAP.

The MIZ




« Last Edit: April 24, 2008, 07:09 by rjmiz »


« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 07:28 »
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I do agree.

Though, i do have doubts about the way your message comes across. Is it necessary to make such a bold statement? Does anyone care that you don't care?

But, you're right. And, from talking with some macro photographers that i know read this micro- forum and others, they have a good chuckle amongst themselves when things like rejections get discussed. Those photographers are used to getting batches of 100+ images rejected just because that reviewer doesn't like the colour of a t-shirt or the look of the model. Rejections can be subjective. Its a dynamic and shifting market and maybe its about time people started listening to what they're being told when they get such large amounts of images rejected, instead of blaming everyone else. The only agencies that don't know what they're doing are the ones that are approving indiscriminately.

« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 07:30 »
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Actually Miz, the last time I posted a rejection here, I received lots of useful feedback and learned a couple of new things about post-processing. But obviously, one has to accept that the reviewers are right and the photographer wrong now and then   :)

« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2008, 07:45 »
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when  recently something was broken in SS reviewing: that is too many begun complaining at the same time - it helped SS to fix things. Do you really think MIZ that baby who being flogged should remain silent? Are you so cruel MIZ?

helix7

« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2008, 09:05 »
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Seek help, my friend. You are a very angry man. This can't be healthy.



Contakt

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 09:13 »
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Miz you're behaving like an out of control wacko constantly seeking negative attention. Get a grip on urself and go buy a book on self-awareness afore mouthing off anymore. All ur doing is making urself look stoopid!

« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 09:14 »
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Miz, you are a good social psychologist in your own way, but your intolerance make you the kind of psychologist that the third Reich was having ;)

I agree that sometime there's many complaints against rejections for files that probably have to be rejected anyway, but I think yes, it's a way to learn how to produce stock images and then you, the Miz have to be gentle as the ones who's taken care of you, when you was a tiny tiny photographer as everybody been one time in their career.

But you still are funny like the guys on TV who tell to people what they doesn't want to ear and that's kind of entertaining when I put my brain to off ;)

« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 09:14 »
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I have many short comings, and a lot of character defects, that I prefer you not know about.

(And some you don't care that we do know about)

There is nothing to be gained by it. I mean it's not part of a learning process.

That depends on how you post & why.  You're def right about the "submitted 100 images & they accepted 2!"  That means "you stunk up the joint" But if you post specific images as "this got rejected for XYZ and I don't know why" you can learn from it for sure.

All in all, I think the reason for communities to exist like this are to learn AND to "rank yourself" among them.  IOFoto & Andres & Yuri are on this board all 3 so it's not like anyone else needs to go getting a big head.  They win, we lose, STFU.  lol  Otherwise, we all basically suck in comparison.

« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 09:25 »
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NO ONE GIVES A CRAP.
How I feel every time I read another one of these angry, pointless posts.

@leaf - is it possible to add a feature so we can see who the original poster was (i.e. author).

« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 09:29 »
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The way I see it there are 3 ways that rejections are complained about.

1) As a "What did I do wrong on this specific image" complaint, but actively seeking the advice of one's peers to improve ones own work.  These are by far the most helpful, rejections help you improve, but sometimes the aid of others is required to head down the path of improvement.  I enjoy giving feedback on these, in many ways it is something that Flickr has honed for me, I think that I am a much better critic than photographer myself, and can express the things that I see and possible ways to improve them well, each time I do so helps me as a photographer as well.

2) As a "What is wrong with them, they take this but not this", but in a lighter, almost humorous tone, where the author really doesn't care too much that the shots were rejected, just pointing out inconsistencies in the approval process at a certain agency.  Enough of these establish patterns and are good for noobs to establish for themselves what the norm for approvals is at various agencies, and help them to brush off rejections without batting an eye, and certainly not getting angry about it.

3) Angry "These inspectors are horrible, they rejected almost all of my batch."  Not much good comes from these, unless a large number of people experience the same thing (like the SS debacle a few weeks back).  The author obviously is not looking for advice on how to improve their work, and obviously has taken the rejection emotionally and personally, and is angry over the rejections.  Not the right way to approach the approval process, unless it is an out of left field blip like what occurred at SS, but in that case the posters that are established in the industry and not only understand the quality of their work as it relates to stock, but also have an established pattern for their level of work with the agency, have a right to be angry over the rejections as they have established relevant data that proves to themselves that something is amiss.

« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2008, 10:06 »
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NO ONE GIVES A CRAP.
How I feel every time I read another one of these angry, pointless posts.

@leaf - is it possible to add a feature so we can see who the original poster was (i.e. author).

yes, @leaf, please add a feature to see the the original poster.  that will make this forum even better.

lisafx

« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 10:28 »
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I think that there is often something to be gained by it.  For a newbie posting specific examples they often get post processing tips that help them get images accepted, or at least learn to better evaluate which images to submit in the first place.

Another example is when sites that normally have clearly defined acceptance criteria get a rogue reviewer who rejects pretty much everything with little or no reasoning behind it. 

When large numbers of submitters including those with years of experience and very high acceptance rates begin to see blanket rejections, it is pretty clear there is an issue with a reviewer. 

And in the case of at least two sites (shutterstock and fotolia) they have re-evaluated batches that have met with blanket rejections and accepted them because people spoke up in the forums. 

digiology

« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 10:29 »
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Anyone else having dejavu?

I don't know whats worse:
1 - posting in forums to complain about rejections or;
2 - posting in forums to complain about people who post in forums to complain about rejections

ouch - did that make sense? If not feel free to complain.

« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 12:22 »
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Will the real MIZ please step forward?

- The MIZ #1 - Photoshop expert who gets joy from doing nothing more than helping people with tips and tricks. The "I just want to help people out of the kindness of my heart" MIZ.

- The MIZ #2 - Ruthless basher who hurls condescending remarks in all directions including at people who need help. The "everybody but me is an idiot" MIZ.

Is it possible there are two different people accessing your computer posting here?


« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 12:32 »
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Will the real MIZ please step forward?

- The MIZ #1 - Photoshop expert who gets joy from doing nothing more than helping people with tips and tricks. The "I just want to help people out of the kindness of my heart" MIZ.

- The MIZ #2 - Ruthless basher who hurls condescending remarks in all directions including at people who need help. The "everybody but me is an idiot" MIZ.

Is it possible there are two different people accessing your computer posting here?



very nice, PaulieWalnuts. MIZ is a mixture of he MIZ #1 and The MIZ #2 and that will remain so to the delight of some and to the dismay of many. thanks, MIZ for your tips and humor.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2008, 12:35 by vphoto »

RT


« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2008, 13:28 »
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NO ONE GIVES A CRAP.
How I feel every time I read another one of these angry, pointless posts.

@leaf - is it possible to add a feature so we can see who the original poster was (i.e. author).

yes, @leaf, please add a feature to see the the original poster.  that will make this forum even better.

I'll third that, or even give him is own forum section, I mean he makes these type of pointless threads nearly every single day. With his own section we'd have the choice to avoid this dribble.

« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2008, 13:54 »
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Its great to see you all coming around to the good side of the force.


« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2008, 14:07 »
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Hi everyone,

I'm sure I'm included in this "hating posts complaining about rejections",
because I posted the "My Take 123rf thread".  I never really thought about how letting people know some rejection stats on a site might reflect my overall photography skills. 

From now on I will not say anything about rejections, as I agree that they are a big part of the market.  If this thread has nothing to do with me, then just know either way I took nothing to heart. :)

p.s., Miz I love your posts, you always speak your mind.  Are you the same in person or just online?

fotoKmyst

« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2008, 14:10 »
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you may not give a crap about other ppl's rejections :o
but you obviously need some kind of attention...
since you're one of the most persistent in starting new threads on this forum ;D

so perharps the answer could well be...
who gives a crap of what you think  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2008, 15:39 »
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I can just see the Miz now...

Kicking back in a chair, having a nice cold beer, reading all of these replies, and smiling.

« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2008, 16:43 »
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I can just see the Miz now...

Kicking back in a chair, having a nice cold beer, reading all of these replies, and smiling.

Bingo...EXACTLY what he's doing  ;)

« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2008, 16:56 »
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that being said MIZ... on to more important things.
You DO sound like a beer man. Are you?

Do you prefer domestic or imported beers?  Does the bottle color matter? Any of the local micro-beers find your fancy?  Lite, dark, malted???  Summer, winter ales... Oktoberfest styles??

Imported?  Euro or Asians ... maybe Canadians?  Personally, I do just about anything Imported in a clear or green bottle. Domestically, Coors, Sam Adams... and I do a lot of experimentation in the Micro's...  Beers, that is.  Although I have been known to do a couple Mexicans,  Dos Equis isn't bad and I'll even do what most think is sewer water,  Corona.  The lime kills all the bacteria anyway, so they say.

Some of the island stuff is good, I enjoy Red Stripe... no two bottles taste the same...

So what is it for you?  8)=tom

« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2008, 20:02 »
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All of you are right on target about me .... except for one thing. I don't drink

Cranky MIZ

« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2008, 22:23 »
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That's the problem.  Nothing a gin and tonic can't fix.

DanP68

« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2008, 23:32 »
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I don't get this at all Miz.  Didn't you get run from Shutterstock for complaining about reviewers on their board, and yours?  Are you saying you have learned from those mistakes, or that you are the only one allowed to make them?   ???

Contakt

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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2008, 10:37 »
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I don't get this at all Miz.  Didn't you get run from Shutterstock for complaining about reviewers on their board, and yours?  Are you saying you have learned from those mistakes, or that you are the only one allowed to make them?   ???

What is with arrogant holier than thou ppl like u that wanna kick a man who is down an has already come clean. Get off his back fella he's taken whats bin said on board and ur ivory tower attitute by trying to rub his nose in it  is jus snake in the gras stuff.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2008, 10:56 by Contakt »

DanP68

« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2008, 13:45 »
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Ummmm....ok.


« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2008, 03:56 »
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Its your choice to read about rejections. right.  But I bet you read them just like you sniff you dirty socks though you know from the start they smell like crap:)

fotoKmyst

« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2008, 10:48 »
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I don't get this at all Miz.  Didn't you get run from Shutterstock for complaining about reviewers on their board, and yours?  Are you saying you have learned from those mistakes, or that you are the only one allowed to make them?   ???

What is with arrogant holier than thou ppl like u that wanna kick a man who is down an has already come clean. Get off his back fella he's taken whats bin said on board and ur ivory tower attitute by trying to rub his nose in it  is jus snake in the gras stuff.

not sure if you mean Dan or Mitz... "arrogant holier than thou ppl like u"???
but if this is a forum which it is, then Dan has every place to voice his opinion as Mitz or even you... esp when Dan chooses not
brown nose  Mitz  ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2008, 11:34 »
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Hi to all

I sent 100 photos for review few days ago  and today I saw that only 2 were accepted. I just cant believe it. That were all best isolations that you can imagine , so I wonder , is is possible that the reviewer is blind , stoned , or they all just hate me for some reason.

That same images are selling like hot cakes  on other sites , and one of them  had about 100 000 downloads in the first hour online.

I would appreciate if someone wants to write me any words of support , cause its always nice to know that someone gives a crap.

Hope I'm witting in a right place.

Thanks


DanP68

« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2008, 23:22 »
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not sure if you mean Dan or Mitz... "arrogant holier than thou ppl like u"???
but if this is a forum which it is, then Dan has every place to voice his opinion as Mitz or even you... esp when Dan chooses not
brown nose  Mitz  ;D ;D ;D


It is not encouraging to see the increase in these types of posters on this board.  Looks as though we will need to look very closely at the author of each thread before bothering to open it.  Perhaps we need an "ignore" option for each member, so we don't need to see their responses either.

digiology

« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2008, 11:02 »
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Dan I agree, those comments came out of nowhere. Maybe you should bring back the Bruce Willis avatar to command more respect.  ;D :D

lisafx

« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2008, 11:25 »
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It is not encouraging to see the increase in these types of posters on this board.  Looks as though we will need to look very closely at the author of each thread before bothering to open it.  Perhaps we need an "ignore" option for each member, so we don't need to see their responses either.

I'm impressed you could even make it out.  I assumed there was an insult in there somewhere for somebody, but the posting was so illiterate I couldn't tell for sure ;)

« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2008, 11:38 »
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Dan I agree, those comments came out of nowhere. Maybe you should bring back the Bruce Willis avatar to command more respect.  ;D :D

Yippee-kay-yay,  * ...
bring Bruce back
! (grin)

« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2008, 23:07 »
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Simple human nature. People feel rejected want to talk to someone. Especially someone who might have an answer. So I guess they are trying to come to terms with the frustration of their rejection, and want to share how bad it fells.

Others dwell on it internally and get all stressed.

The value we could add is to suggest that this is simply the nature of the industry, and they will get over it eventually. Otherwise they will get frustrated and leave.


 

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