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« on: November 23, 2009, 19:29 »
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Hi All,

 We have been shooting more motion and I thought I would share a short reel we made from some of our early stuff. I hope you find some use out of this. Please feel welcome to ask any questions.

http://www.andersenross.com/demoreel.mov

Cheers,
Jonathan


« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 19:38 »
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Nice variety of subjects.  Well shot.

How much did you outlay for this "early stuff", including the DP, camera crew, etc.  Has it paid back, and in how long?

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 20:04 »
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Good stuff. Flows nicely. The music fits well too.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 20:08 »
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I wonder which camera we, run-of-the-mill, contributers should consider for video clips?  Are there any photographers uploading anything from point and shoot or prosumer cameras?


« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 20:28 »
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Thanks Paulie,

We had a friend do the sound track.

Hi Warren,

Yes, The 5d mark 2 is being accepted at Getty and Corbis let alone the micro sites. The new 1D Mark 4 is a bit pricier but the difference is supposed to be well worth the 5K. Higher ISO and faster frame rates both great additions. I don't think anyone has to shoot on an expensive camera to make good video's for stock. It does have some learning curve from stills. I remember my first motion shot list or story board, I had a couple of vertically explained shots. Then I realized DOAH! you have to see everything in horizontal : ) Best thing to do is just jump on and learn how to ride the thing. Yippy Ki-ay.

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2009, 03:20 »
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great work!
Diego

« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2009, 03:46 »
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nice clips.  I have tried a few motion shots but realized I need to either upgrade my computer or patience first.  It sure takes longer to post process.

« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2009, 04:34 »
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Very nice showcase of your work. Its good to see the concepts brought to life.

« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 10:22 »
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This is top notch work. Thanks for sharing. :)

« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2009, 12:44 »
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 Hi All,

 Thanks everyone for the support it is truly appreciated. It is so new for us you never know how it's going. Your positive feedback is a great gift for the holiday here in the States. We are spending about 50 dollars a clip/still and each clip runs between 20-30 seconds trying to offer several options to each buyer. They generally only use a small piece from that 30 seconds so hopefully we will see some good sales. We have had 17 clips up for the last two weeks of the last pay period at Getty and we sold two clips for a total of $320 of which I split half with our production team. Way to early to tell but we are taking the advice of others we know about what to expect in revenue from the life of a clip. They say the returns take the longest to build we should start to regular sales inside of six months to a year. I'll keep you updated as the clips upload and the sales data comes back in.

Best,
Jonathan

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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 13:48 »
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I wonder which camera we, run-of-the-mill, contributers should consider for video clips?  Are there any photographers uploading anything from point and shoot or prosumer cameras?


Most of point and shoot have a video size of 640x480. You won't get enough resolution from them. I think it's better to get any DSL-R camera who handle video. Sensor is bigger and you get 720p or 1080p with the 5D MarkII as example. Only if you want to get those 20$ sales (estiamtion) at IS for a 1080p video
« Last Edit: November 24, 2009, 13:50 by Vonkara »

« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2009, 14:06 »
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I agree with Vonkara,

You really need to produce 1080p at this point to extend your sales opportunities but the 5d mark 2 does some great stuff at 1080p. Check out the new 1d mark 4 it is even better. It costs less than the 1DS Mark 3 we shoot our stills on.

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 15:03 »
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How does it work with Getty to sell videos, compared to the micro sites.  Can you sell there and on other sites or is it exclusive? How do you become a contributor?
« Last Edit: November 24, 2009, 15:06 by surpasspro »

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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 18:24 »
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Nice work Jonathan, as always :)

Thanks for sharing this.  I have been thinking of getting into video too.  I was planning to get a video cam.  Nice to know that 5DII video will pass muster. 

There is so much for me to learn though.  Maybe a project for the new year.

« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2009, 18:31 »
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$50 a clip x how many clips = what's the total you put out for that $320 so far?

Also, is it a work for hire that you own copyright or does the production company hold it?  Why wouldn't they go ahead and shoot their own stuff to sell now that they've seen how it works, or how do you get them to keep working for you?

« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 20:14 »
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Hi Surpasspro,

 Yes you have to be exclusive to sell motion in RR or RM these days but only per clip. If I want to shot RM clips for Corbis one day and then shoot RR clips for Getty the next as long as they are not similar then there is no problem. The one nice thing is if someone like myself wants to go exclusive at Istock with my motion I still can because I don't put my motion into RF anywhere. High end and low end as soon as we see Micro motion start to take off more.
 The average return on a Macro motion clip shot correctly for the buyers needs is well over $1000 dollars in the clips life expectancy so paying out $50 a clip is like the old days of stock again, better returns.
 Producing at the level it takes to achieve these sales takes some time but there is no reason you can't learn the curve through practice. I have a great group of guys that have run the camera for years and all I do is light, write the scripts, produce, and direct. They run the camera as I ask them to. Racking focus is an art unto itself.
 I enjoy directing and I think that is the part that really separates what your work looks like from the rest, it is the emotion and realism you can get coax out of your talent and directing is an entirely different ball game than stills, at least for me. My father was a director so I was weaned on the stage from the day I was born I think that has helped in the transition also we shoot our stills very much like motion. We have always choreographed our shoots down to the smallest detail that also helps when directing a motion shoot.
 Micro motion has lots of room for quality growth and I think if you start into today getting educated you will be right at the head of the line when the gates open.

Hey Lisa,

 yea, A good one to just whittle away at while still shooting your stills to pay the bills, that was our approach. Don't want to take to big a steps when what you do is already working but I know you would have a blast. Remember even though you don't record sound their are good lip readers out there so I keep my talent talking about the subject at hand. At first they just spoke to one another until we saw the F' bomb when playing it back : )

Hope this helps,
Jonathan

« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2009, 20:24 »
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Hey folk,  JJ has me on ignore, so if you want the answers to my above questions on cost and copyright, you'll have to ask yourself :).

« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2009, 20:43 »
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$50 a clip x how many clips = what's the total you put out for that $320 so far?

Also, is it a work for hire that you own copyright or does the production company hold it?  Why wouldn't they go ahead and shoot their own stuff to sell now that they've seen how it works, or how do you get them to keep working for you?

( happy SL?  ;) )

PS - as I remember from some early video work (for hire), the gear to make those smooth travelings and walking shots (hydraulic suspending, carts) would be many times the cost of the cam.
I also noticed a change of focus in one of the tracks (hospital room) from the foreground (laptop) to the background (senior in hospital bed). Can you actually do that on a 5DMKII? (changing focus point while recording).
« Last Edit: November 24, 2009, 20:50 by FD-amateur »

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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2009, 20:59 »
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I also noticed a change of focus in one of the tracks (hospital room) from the foreground (laptop) to the background (senior in hospital bed). Can you actually do that on a 5DMKII? (changing focus point while recording).


yep, and on the new 7d also. i have a nikon d90 and it doesn't have autofocus for video, so it's another reason to switch soon.

« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2009, 00:39 »
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I don't know if there's an automatic way to do it, but manually, you get one of those rack focus knobs and figure out the start and end points.  That's where costs mount, because you need another person to rack focus.  I don't know what a focus puller makes though as part of a crew.  Maybe someone here does.

« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 00:44 »
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Hi FD,

 I'll answer your questions happily. Yes you can rack the focus on the mark 2 they have some pretty cheap focus racking and support systems for the Mark 2 as well as other smaller video cameras. The dollies these days that used to cost 10 's of thousands of dollars to do curves and bends are now just 1000 dollars. track and dolly. They also have some inexpensive steadi-cams for the smaller dslr brands that are also reasonable and can give you that floating feeling as you run, the tough part is to keep it in focus. The rig we use called an action-cam has a separate wireless control for someone else to track the focus while the camera operator can run and only worry about keeping his frame true. The times are changing, what used to cost a crew a million in gear can now be done for 10-15 grand. This is a huge change in the motion industry. Here is a link to a company that makes smaller equipment for dslr's.

http://www.varizoom.com/

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2009, 02:41 »
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Wow, these are some awesome shots, great work.

In regard to the 1D Mk 4 - where would you see the advantages for video compared to the 5d Mk II? I understand the ISO and frame rates, any other advantages you see?

Thanks for sharing!

« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2009, 16:30 »
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Hi Nataq,

 I am more passing on advice from someone who has been shooting major motion for years. He was a Beta tester for the new Canon and he says this camera and the new hush hush 1DS Mark 4 ( who knows when ) are the end for the need for high end motion cameras as far as quality is concerned. The ISO settings alone are pretty astounding and it is nice to be able to shoot with as much available light as possible then just ascent. Frame rate is a big deal as well because it has really helped the smoothness of the capture especially when panning and shooting motion. They also say the black end of the histogram is more forgiving. The focus is also supposed to be improved but I am not sure on that as I have only heard it from Canon. I think we are going to buy one as a back up. If we do I'll fill you in on what I think. Have a great holiday if you are here in the States.

Cheers,
Jonathan

« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2009, 17:04 »
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It looks very clean and professional. Congrats.

« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2009, 00:44 »
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Hi Jonathan,
thanks for the input! No thanksgiving here in Austria ;-). But have a nice holiday over there - even though it seems too late now.

Cheers,
Wolfgang

« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2009, 13:49 »
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Hi Wolfgang,

Never to late. Thank you for the international support : ) It is one of the few holidays we have that hasn't been taken over by the marketing of America. We don't have to buy presents or cards, we just eat, drink and give thanks for all we have received throughout the year. It is one of my favorite holidays. So my thanks to you for your support of a distant holiday ;D

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2009, 16:04 »
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Haha, youre very welcome. Dont speak that out too loud though!!!

People should be much more greatful, especially in areas where we live - so I bet its a very nice holiday.

« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2009, 16:07 »
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Hi Jonathan
Thanks for the video clip. Inspiring stuff!
This makes me want to give it a "shot" at the next shoot :)
Kind regards,
laflor

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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2009, 19:56 »
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cool, another Austrian :-)) Where are you from? (i am from Zell am See, later Linz and Kaernten.)
no thanksgiving in Austria, but i have spent it in the US and ate a lot of turkey. :-)

sorry for the off-topic post. your movies are really nice! wish i were able to produce such things.

simone


 

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