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Brasilnut

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« on: June 22, 2017, 02:31 »
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Hey fellow photography / footage microstock grinders,

I'm a photographer but trying out some footage for the first time. I live close to a major airport and was there last night trying out. The light was a bit flat but just getting a feel for it, will go back there today as it seems to have cleared up.

Would you mind taking a look at some the footage and getting me your brutally honest feedback?

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/gallery/1595060?language=en

Was shot at 24 fps at f8, iso 800 and about 1/200 secs.

I also tried to do a timelapse - 3 mins into 20 seconds but was rejected for "Resolution / Aspect -- Clip is a non-standard resolution or is pillarboxed, letterboxed or matted." Still trying to figure out how to fix it.

Thanks

Alex


« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 03:09 »
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Well, without even looking at the footage I can tell you that the shutter speed should have been 1/48th of a second.

« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 05:02 »
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I watched one clip.

It looked like an airliner in the distance driving along a country lane with high hedges before disappearing behind a tree.



« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 05:24 »
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Video is not photography. It is much, much, much, much harder.
Man, you have a loooooong way to go.
And BTW, why ISO 800???

Brasilnut

  • Author of the Brutally Honest Guide to Microstock
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 05:29 »
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Video is not photography. It is much, much, much, much harder.
Man, you have a loooooong way to go.
And BTW, why ISO 800???

That's why you guys are here to help! :D


« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 05:46 »
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Hey fellow photography / footage microstock grinders,

I'm a photographer but trying out some footage for the first time. I live close to a major airport and was there last night trying out. The light was a bit flat but just getting a feel for it, will go back there today as it seems to have cleared up.

Would you mind taking a look at some the footage and getting me your brutally honest feedback?

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/gallery/1595060?language=en

Was shot at 24 fps at f8, iso 800 and about 1/200 secs.

I also tried to do a timelapse - 3 mins into 20 seconds but was rejected for "Resolution / Aspect -- Clip is a non-standard resolution or is pillarboxed, letterboxed or matted." Still trying to figure out how to fix it.

Thanks

Alex

Firstly the shots are just too far away could you get closer?  I know the boundary fence will prevent that but perhaps shots from the end of the runway?

This clip does a little shimmy https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28035073-stock-footage-milan-italy-june-st-an-alitalia-airplane-takes-off-from-milan-s-linate-airport-an.html?src=gallery/_51vUnnlyuu_Ed4oXN3V0Q:1:5/3p

You have to be careful knocking the tripod

1/200 is too much 1/50 is good start point but you may need to use filters to hold back the light.  However you can then shoot at ISO 100 to 200.

I use Cokin P-Series filters both graduated and straight neutral density filters and they work fine and are cheap too.

Instead of 24 fps try 50 60 fps  whatever your camera supports it makes the video smoother

« Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 05:54 by Sammy the Cat »

« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 05:50 »
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As mentioned, start by ensuring the shutter speed is about half the frame rate - so 1/50th of a second for 24 fps - all you have to do in this case is use ISO 200 and that would have done it.  Always best to use a lower ISO if you can anyway.

As for the timelapse, did you crop it to 1920 x 1080 px?

« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2017, 05:56 »
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Why do you think that video is that different to photography?

Think, for a moment, of your video as a series of still photographs.

None of the stills in your first video is well composed or interesting.

And, as a result, the video is poor. I don't know why it was accepted.

Brasilnut

  • Author of the Brutally Honest Guide to Microstock
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2017, 06:16 »
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Great comment guys, thanks. I'm using a d7000 with a 18-300 lens. I'm not sure it goes higher than 24 fps but I'll check. I may have to upgrade.

I chose this angle because of the skyscrapers and on a clear day can see the mountains (see pic). It's tough these days because of the heat making it oof. Closer may be better but the fence is annoying.

I'll look into the ND filters and always shooting at ISO 100. Need to throw some photography concepts out the window...

Thanks

« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2017, 08:33 »
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Hey fellow photography / footage microstock grinders,

I'm a photographer but trying out some footage for the first time. I live close to a major airport and was there last night trying out. The light was a bit flat but just getting a feel for it, will go back there today as it seems to have cleared up.

Would you mind taking a look at some the footage and getting me your brutally honest feedback?

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/gallery/1595060?language=en

Was shot at 24 fps at f8, iso 800 and about 1/200 secs.

I also tried to do a timelapse - 3 mins into 20 seconds but was rejected for "Resolution / Aspect -- Clip is a non-standard resolution or is pillarboxed, letterboxed or matted." Still trying to figure out how to fix it.

Thanks

Alex

Firstly the shots are just too far away could you get closer?  I know the boundary fence will prevent that but perhaps shots from the end of the runway?

This clip does a little shimmy https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28035073-stock-footage-milan-italy-june-st-an-alitalia-airplane-takes-off-from-milan-s-linate-airport-an.html?src=gallery/_51vUnnlyuu_Ed4oXN3V0Q:1:5/3p

You have to be careful knocking the tripod

1/200 is too much 1/50 is good start point but you may need to use filters to hold back the light.  However you can then shoot at ISO 100 to 200.

I use Cokin P-Series filters both graduated and straight neutral density filters and they work fine and are cheap too.

Instead of 24 fps try 50 60 fps  whatever your camera supports it makes the video smoother

I think that this happens when he pushes the button to start the video capture.
It happens the same to me, so I cut the first frames when I edit the movie.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 08:37 by Chichikov »

« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2017, 08:36 »
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Most films are released at 24 fps so that's not a huge issue unless you want to get some slow motion shots which would require 60-120 fps.

Others have said it, bring your ISO down, no need to have unwanted noise and it will allow you to drop your shutter speed.

Aim for a shutter speed around twice your frame rate. This gives a natural motion blur to moving elements. Higher shutter speeds end up looking a little weird. It's a little counter-intuitive when you start from photography since you're used to trying to freeze your moving objects with a high shutter speed.

For aspect ratios, try to go with a standard ratio such as 16:9 (cropping to this in lightroom is easy) which also corresponds to 1920x1080 for HD, 3840x2160  for UHD, and 4096x2304 for true 4K.

« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2017, 08:42 »
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Video is not photography. It is much, much, much, much harder.
Man, you have a loooooong way to go.
And BTW, why ISO 800???

That's why you guys are here to help! :D

Do you think this is what what Canon is saying to Sony when they don't know how to improve their sensor technology?
Do you think Apple is asking Samsung for help, when they struggle to implement a new feature?
« Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 08:44 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2017, 14:32 »
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don't want to be rude and it's my opinion, i know u are a good guy and come from my county:),....but really what's the point to upload this kind of stuff and most of all what drives anybody to accept it?

Light- terrible, harsh
exposure- underexposed
subjec- impossible to understand apart 2 ec in the end
composition. i'm speechless.

if anybody begin uploading anything we can reach 10 billion files in a month i think.

and your photo are not that bad, you showed a bit of capacity...why on the earth you uploaded this? just because you wanted to know if they would have accepted anything?


« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2017, 15:08 »
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If you want an honest comparison to your work, type in 'plane taking off at airport' into Shutterstock search and look at the clips that come up. Compare your clips to the best clips of the first page of your search. That is your competition, so unless you can match that standard or do better, probably not worth uploading. You have to be honest with your work and compare it to the best. These clips should never have passed QC.

Brasilnut

  • Author of the Brutally Honest Guide to Microstock
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2017, 15:37 »
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and your photo are not that bad, you showed a bit of capacity...why on the earth you uploaded this? just because you wanted to know if they would have accepted anything?

I'm experimenting and uploaded just to test. To be honest I didn't expect it to be accepted so I guess it shows how standards have fallen lol

I don't get upset with the criticism, i'm new to video like i'm new to learning japanese so it's like climbing a tall mountain, one step at a time. most of the guys here are already high up in the mountain :)

Jonbull, you're from brazil?

« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2017, 15:51 »
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OK, 3 tips if you want to shoot airplanes, although it is extremely difficult to sell a clip, as there are zillion of excellent quality (I must admit that I sell quite a few of them)
- Do some sort of slow motion , at least 48 fps, especially for taking off, with landing you might get away with real time 24fps
- Fill the bloody frame with the plane. You are showing a tiny little thing miles away behind the trees. If you did not say it was a plane, maybe we would not have noticed. If you cannot get any close, use a 400mm lens, or a 600mmm, or shoot in 4k so you can crop down a bit, but in any case fill that frame with the plane, or even part of the plane
- Since you will be using an extremely long lens, you need not only a very good tripod, but also an excellent fluid head and you have to spend days and days learning how to use it smoothly
- And specially, avoid at any costs trying to shoot planes from a perpendicular angle as you did here, simply a waste of time. You should be in line with the plane (parallel to it), so that you kill the angular speed. If you cannot do it in Linate, move to another airport
- Only shoot in good light, possibly at golden time. The light in those "clips" is simply the worst one can ever imagine. But you should know that, as the author of a best seller book about stock photography :-)

Brasilnut

  • Author of the Brutally Honest Guide to Microstock
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 02:05 »
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But you should know that, as the author of a best seller book about stock photography :-)

I have another best seller coming soon - "Fifty Shades of Microstock"  :-*

« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 02:18 »
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But you should know that, as the author of a best seller book about stock photography :-)

I have another best seller coming soon - "Fifty Shades of Microstock"  :-*
For a moment I feared it was "How to shoot perfect video footage"

Brasilnut

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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 03:13 »
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For a moment I feared it was "How to shoot perfect video footage"

Haha it will be called more like "How not to shoot video footage".

Going out this evening into Piazza Duomo and gonna try out some time-lapses :D

Brasilnut

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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2017, 13:57 »
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Put together this time lapse last night, please critique:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYasocP9eSY

I've submitted to SS and still pending.

Thanks

Alex

« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2017, 14:06 »
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Tip:

Buy an ND filter and use longer shutter speeds, or you will have to spend lots of time blurring faces.  ;)

For natural looking motion blur, use a shutter speed of around half the interval time. So if you take a picture every 4 seconds, use a 2 second shutter speed. You will need an ND filter to do this during the day. Everything will look nicer and smoother.

Brasilnut

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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2017, 14:17 »
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or you will have to spend lots of time blurring faces.

No value in submitting editorials?

« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2017, 14:34 »
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Sure, some. But more value submitting commercially ready. You won't be able to use Fotolia or some other sites.

But the motion blur issue still stands. Longer shutter speeds looks more professional.

Brasilnut

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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2017, 14:36 »
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But the motion blur issue still stands. Longer shutter speeds looks more professional.

Yes, will look into the ND filter for my 24-70 f2.8 lens. Managed to get it down to 1/80 but probably too fast. Thanks for your tips :)

By the way, SS accepted the footage but whether it will be licensed is another matter altogether, as always!

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/gallery/1595060?contributor=Alexandre+Rotenberg&editorial=1&page=1&perpage=100&sort=popular&translation_method=service&use_local_boost=0&language=en&lang=en

« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 15:43 by Brasilnut »

« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2017, 15:38 »
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1/80 won't do, you absolutely need ND filters for daytime motion blur. For any type of filming really, not just timelapses.

Yes, many will accept timelapses with clearly visible faces in single frames. Of course no one can tell who it is when the timelapse is playing at full speed but I don't like selling commercial clips where you can just pause the clip and easily identify any person in the clip. Especially if it's in 4k. I would rather blur out the faces or put it as editorial.

It takes time but I feel it's the right thing to do.


 

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