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« Reply #100 on: August 12, 2016, 16:00 »
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We appreciate the input, and both perspectives are valid.  Our goal is to ensure we are putting out the best product for our users and to appeal to the widest range of buyers possible, while continuing to maintain a very high level of quality in our marketplace.  This change that we are making will enable our sellers to price their images in a way that will appeal to the small, medium, or large budget buyers that they are targeting in the creation of their images. 

For those of you who are skeptical that adjusting your prices will result in less sales, you are not required to make any changes.

The idea behind these changes is to transpose GL from where it was to where it has the potential to be.  We do not want to be another company that dictates the value of our sellers' images.  Instead, we want to give our hard working sellers more control over their image pricing.  By enabling our sellers to control the pricing for their high quality images, not only will this help their profitability, it will also attract a wider range of buyers with various budgets shopping on our site. 


« Reply #101 on: August 12, 2016, 16:30 »
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" it will also attract a wider range of buyers with various budgets shopping on our site."

You'd better be ready to add some filters for pricing.  Buyers tend to get annoyed when they have to waste time looking at things they can't afford.

« Reply #102 on: August 12, 2016, 16:58 »
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" it will also attract a wider range of buyers with various budgets shopping on our site."

You'd better be ready to add some filters for pricing.  Buyers tend to get annoyed when they have to waste time looking at things they can't afford.

Indeed we are including that in the upcoming release.  Please keep in mind, we understand there are features 'missing' from the technology.  We have developers working on this so that given some time, our users will see a multitude of improvements.  We are excited about new features that we are working on, both for the front end user, as well as the admin panel which will give us the ability to do much more with the site, and much more for our users.

Thank you!


« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2016, 17:36 »
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" it will also attract a wider range of buyers with various budgets shopping on our site."

You'd better be ready to add some filters for pricing.  Buyers tend to get annoyed when they have to waste time looking at things they can't afford.

Indeed we are including that in the upcoming release.  Please keep in mind, we understand there are features 'missing' from the technology.  We have developers working on this so that given some time, our users will see a multitude of improvements.  We are excited about new features that we are working on, both for the front end user, as well as the admin panel which will give us the ability to do much more with the site, and much more for our users.

Thank you!

the choice of
  Our goal is...
enable our sellers to price their images in a way that will appeal to the small, medium, or large budget buyers that they are targeting in the creation of their images. 

We do not want to be another company that dictates the value of our sellers' images.  Instead, we want to give our hard working sellers more control over their image pricing.  By enabling our sellers to control the pricing for their high quality images, not only will this help their profitability, it will also attract a wider range of buyers with various budgets shopping on our site. 

i am a tiny speck in the ocean
but i can tell you that what you came in to say
...redded...
is a welcoming breath of fresh air...

contributors... sellers... thier profitability... improvement...

it's been such a long time since we heard this from the mouth of agency's representatives.

I am cheering your / our successful whole-heartedly
and wish your marketing dept all the best to give GL a piece of the action
to show ss , is,etc... that listening to the contributors
can make a big change ...
especially at this moment when ill-will among experienced contributors
have been falling on deaf ears.


« Reply #104 on: August 12, 2016, 18:09 »
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I never really understood the whole 'one size fits all' thing. iStock implemented it, and it pissed off small-size buyers who left in flocks.

As a buyer myself, I like to have the option to get a smaller size for a lower price. Otherwise, I could just get the maximum size since it makes no difference in terms of price, making the smaller sizes redundant.

So in order to keep small-size buyers attached, please leave the choice for smaller sizes with proportional prices.

« Reply #105 on: August 12, 2016, 23:51 »
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I love it. I made so much more at GL when it was a higher price site for a one size vector image. If you are not going to sell tons of images per month, chasing small royalties doesn't seem to add up to much.

« Reply #106 on: August 13, 2016, 01:32 »
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chasing away buyers adds up to nothing

jazz42

  • Computer scientist and hobby stock photographer
« Reply #107 on: August 13, 2016, 03:23 »
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Would it be possible to make a license model that require buyers to link to the photo on graphicleftovers.com when it is used on the web? For instance, all photos on blogs and articles (text-rich pages) must have credits below and the photographer's name must be a link to the photo. The sell page on GL should offer similar photos from the photographer.

This will have the following benefits:
 - The photographer will have more traffic (and hopefully more sale) for the photo and his/hers related portfolio.
 - graphicleftovers.com will have higher page rank on google as many pages will be linking to it.

Some buyers may of course not like this and they should be offered the photo at a higher price (or those linking should have a small discount).

« Reply #108 on: August 13, 2016, 08:31 »
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Would it be possible to make a license model that require buyers to link to the photo on graphicleftovers.com when it is used on the web? For instance, all photos on blogs and articles (text-rich pages) must have credits below and the photographer's name must be a link to the photo. The sell page on GL should offer similar photos from the photographer.

This will have the following benefits:
 - The photographer will have more traffic (and hopefully more sale) for the photo and his/hers related portfolio.
 - graphicleftovers.com will have higher page rank on google as many pages will be linking to it.

Some buyers may of course not like this and they should be offered the photo at a higher price (or those linking should have a small discount).

fotolia, i recall when i was with them from their inception, had something like what you wanted,
in that we were given the names of the buyers with each download.
unfortunately, some contributors went out of their effing heads to contact these buyers directly
and fotolia decided this was not a good idea...

so, once again, whenever we get a good thing with certain agencies going in the right direction,
some of us eff it up for the rest.

« Reply #109 on: August 13, 2016, 11:55 »
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The control of pricing for sellers and one-size-fits-all pricing go hand in hand.  Sellers will have the ability to determine the price of their images based on the value of their images.  What something is worth is up for debate in the open marketplace.  If a buyer thinks an image is worth $25, they will pay $25.  If they don't, they'll move on to other images, not necessarily another website.

Simply because there is one price per image does not withhold sellers from pricing their images at $1, $3, $5, or $7, which would be in the more affordable tier of pricing.  Naturally, the smaller budget buyers would likely be searching primarily for photos in this price range, and we're confident that many sellers will see great value in uploading images set for the lower budget pricing.  However, we also want to provide the flexibility to our sellers to value different images in their portfolio at different price points. 

jazz42

  • Computer scientist and hobby stock photographer
« Reply #110 on: August 13, 2016, 11:59 »
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Would it be possible to make a license model that require buyers to link to the photo on graphicleftovers.com when it is used on the web? For instance, all photos on blogs and articles (text-rich pages) must have credits below and the photographer's name must be a link to the photo. The sell page on GL should offer similar photos from the photographer.

This will have the following benefits:
 - The photographer will have more traffic (and hopefully more sale) for the photo and his/hers related portfolio.
 - graphicleftovers.com will have higher page rank on google as many pages will be linking to it.

Some buyers may of course not like this and they should be offered the photo at a higher price (or those linking should have a small discount).

fotolia, i recall when i was with them from their inception, had something like what you wanted,
in that we were given the names of the buyers with each download.
unfortunately, some contributors went out of their effing heads to contact these buyers directly
and fotolia decided this was not a good idea...

so, once again, whenever we get a good thing with certain agencies going in the right direction,
some of us eff it up for the rest.

Ahh, there should be ways around that problem, e.g., making it a reason for closing the contributor's account if the buyer complains or (less severe) subtract a penalty from the contributor's account (e.g 20% of the average monthly payment).

Nowadays you can find your buyers with google image search - I've done it a few times and it is quite interesting to see where your work is being used.

« Reply #111 on: August 13, 2016, 12:36 »
+3
The control of pricing for sellers and one-size-fits-all pricing go hand in hand.  Sellers will have the ability to determine the price of their images based on the value of their images.  What something is worth is up for debate in the open marketplace.  If a buyer thinks an image is worth $25, they will pay $25.  If they don't, they'll move on to other images, not necessarily another website.

Simply because there is one price per image does not withhold sellers from pricing their images at $1, $3, $5, or $7, which would be in the more affordable tier of pricing.  Naturally, the smaller budget buyers would likely be searching primarily for photos in this price range, and we're confident that many sellers will see great value in uploading images set for the lower budget pricing.  However, we also want to provide the flexibility to our sellers to value different images in their portfolio at different price points.

Part of the "value" of the image they license can be found in the size they are downloading.  A small size affords much less "usefulness" than a larger size.  A small image (pixel size) is good for blogs and such.  An XL opens the world to double page spreads, cropping, etc.  Removing that removes a lot of the flexibility buyers want to be able to license based on their needs and not overpay.  At the least, there should be a small and large version.

« Reply #112 on: August 13, 2016, 12:42 »
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@Sean, We are not removing the option to select a size, just changing the pricing structure.  We will continue providing small, medium, and large sizes for each image.

« Reply #113 on: August 13, 2016, 12:47 »
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I'm okay with the pricing plan.  At least it's different than most other sites.  Wondering...  Will there be extended license options? 

« Reply #114 on: August 13, 2016, 12:49 »
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@Sean, We are not removing the option to select a size, just changing the pricing structure.  We will continue providing small, medium, and large sizes for each image.

That wasn't the point.  Nobody really cares about choosing a size when they're all the same price - we all have mega-gazillion-gigabit connections.  When I only need the flexibility that comes with a 800x800 pixel images, I'd be annoyed if I have to pay the same price as the guy who needs the 5500x3800 pixel image.   I shopped GL for my blog images because I could get the smallest size at a price that afforded me limited flexibility.

« Reply #115 on: August 13, 2016, 12:52 »
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Im ready to upload. Any changes planned for an easy upload?

« Reply #116 on: August 13, 2016, 12:54 »
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@Sean, We are not removing the option to select a size, just changing the pricing structure.  We will continue providing small, medium, and large sizes for each image.

That wasn't the point.  Nobody really cares about choosing a size when they're all the same price - we all have mega-gazillion-gigabit connections.  When I only need the flexibility that comes with a 800x800 pixel images, I'd be annoyed if I have to pay the same price as the guy who needs the 5500x3800 pixel image.   I shopped GL for my blog images because I could get the smallest size at a price that afforded me limited flexibility.

The problem with many sizes will also increase the database extremely which is not cost-effective.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #117 on: August 13, 2016, 13:11 »
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You will have to price based on complexity or cost of the shoot rather than image size which is independent of our costs. Worth a try.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2016, 14:17 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #118 on: August 13, 2016, 13:16 »
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@Sean, We are not removing the option to select a size, just changing the pricing structure.  We will continue providing small, medium, and large sizes for each image.

That wasn't the point.  Nobody really cares about choosing a size when they're all the same price - we all have mega-gazillion-gigabit connections.  When I only need the flexibility that comes with a 800x800 pixel images, I'd be annoyed if I have to pay the same price as the guy who needs the 5500x3800 pixel image.   I shopped GL for my blog images because I could get the smallest size at a price that afforded me limited flexibility.

Your point is understood, but you are also making the assumption that all sellers are going to raise their pricing significantly.  Many sellers are going to see value in keeping their price points lower.  A buyer is purchasing the rights to an image, the size in which you download the image doesn't change the license that you purchased.   

To speak to the contrary of the point you are making: Many buyers will be happy to be able to get full sized images at cheaper prices.   If sellers select $1 - $7 for their images, buyers who would normally be discouraged from buying the large sized images who have settled on buying small or medium sized images, will now be able to purchase larger images at a lower cost. 

@trek, Yes we currently do have the option for extended licenses and will continue to do so.

@hellou, the resizing of images is done automatically when the images are purchased.  There are costs associated with this process on our end of course, but there are various ways to maximize cost efficiency, many of which we have done already on our end.  As for uploading, our interface is relatively easy to use, however FTP access is still inactive until further notice.  This is something we are working towards, but we do not have an ETA yet.  We will keep you updated.


« Reply #119 on: August 13, 2016, 13:22 »
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I think the idea that a small 'web' sized image should cost less is just another unfortunate buyer expectation created by existing microstocks.   The photographer and the agency see the same costs.  The large 'print' image might be seen by 1000 people, the small 'web' image by 10,000.   So why the discount - are we selling content, or pixels?

When you buy music, you get the full fidelity tracks, maybe 192kbs or 256 kbs. You don't the option to pay a lower price for a scratchy 32kbs version just because you're only going to play it through cheap earbuds. 




 

« Reply #120 on: August 13, 2016, 13:31 »
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To speak to the contrary of the point you are making: Many buyers will be happy to be able to get full sized images at cheaper prices.   If sellers select $1 - $7 for their images, buyers who would normally be discouraged from buying the large sized images who have settled on buying small or medium sized images, will now be able to purchase larger images at a lower cost. 

Sellers could already price their images at $3, right?  Or was it $5?  Either way, the only way to go "cheaper" is to sell a full res image for a buck.  Do we really want to encourage market pricing to go lower?

Anyways, I'm just speaking as a small time buyer.  I'm sure you did studies on what the effect of the changes were as far as contributor pricing and buyers licensing and it was beneficial.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2016, 13:34 by Sean Locke Photography »

« Reply #121 on: August 13, 2016, 13:46 »
+1
there is a problem to democracy in that free speech becomes redundant
when everyone expects their way to be the agency's way.

i think this is where caution should be practised between contributors and GL.

this is the first time we are having an official coming in to brainstorm with us contributors.
we must not hijack the thread and communication by expecting too much too soon.

look at it this way, ... what GL is giving us contributors is giving us a say...
finally, someone is listening

as opposed to ss, is,..etc...  who really have not listen to anyone except their shareholders.
we have to ask ourselves,... compared to what???
we already are being given a priority here by GL

let's not walk away with nothing at all, which is what ss , is , ... have given contributors.

« Reply #122 on: August 13, 2016, 14:00 »
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GL is a very, very low earner. I will keep uploading my pictures there as long as the process is simple. Certainly, I cannot afford to spend my time to tune prices of individual images in the GL portfolio or upload selected images only. Simply, I am uploading all images with the same setup or nothing at all.

I agree with Sean about pricing and image size. Almost all of my current sales are at the lowest price and size.

« Reply #123 on: August 13, 2016, 17:00 »
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did you do any research about size offering? or are you just changing  things and hope for the best?

« Reply #124 on: August 13, 2016, 17:55 »
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I think the idea that a small 'web' sized image should cost less is just another unfortunate buyer expectation created by existing microstocks.   The photographer and the agency see the same costs.  The large 'print' image might be seen by 1000 people, the small 'web' image by 10,000.   So why the discount - are we selling content, or pixels?

When you buy music, you get the full fidelity tracks, maybe 192kbs or 256 kbs. You don't the option to pay a lower price for a scratchy 32kbs version just because you're only going to play it through cheap earbuds.   
Doesn't really matter how it happened, the fact is many sites have tried one price for all sizes and have then changed to different prices for different sizes.  They must of done that because buyers have demanded it and I really don't see how GL can go against that tide when they are selling the same images.

The comparison with music doesn't work because that's not being used for business purposes, like most of out images are.  I doubt someone making a 5 second music clip for an advert would charge the same as a 1 minute clip.


 

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