Author Topic: Can please someone find some similarities on this images? (Read 18135 times)

ikostudio · « **on:** November 12, 2017, 08:19 »

Can please someone find some similarities on this images?

The first one is mine, the second not. Maybe its not easy to prove but not that hard to. Do you think that the balloons are the same? I'm pretty sure that are and the user change the composition and colors in photoshop like I have done to. But i am he owner and have the raw file of the balloons to prove.
Even the shades and glare and colors of the balloons are the same.

Tell me what you think.

Thanks

Erik

niktol · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2017, 08:44 »

Just an opinion, ok?

They bear some similarities but not enough to claim the copyright infringement, if that's what you are after.

60D · « **Reply #2 on:** November 12, 2017, 09:02 »

Quote from: ikostudio on November 12, 2017, 08:19

Do you think that the balloons are the same?

NO

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 12, 2017, 09:08 »

Not even close - colors, shape, exposure are all different. Find something else to worry about.

Lukeruk · « **Reply #4 on:** November 12, 2017, 09:10 »

I checked just 5-6 balloons on the bottom and yes, they are same.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #5 on:** November 12, 2017, 09:13 »

My first impression is that yes, the second set of balloons is made by chopping up the first. I would have to download both and get them into Photoshop to be sure but I think there are some parts that are too similar to be coincidental. Take a look at some of the shadows on the balloons.

You should probably get some closeup side by sides of the parts that are the same and repost if you want people to see what you are talking about.

ETA, was writing the same time as above.

ikostudio · « **Reply #6 on:** November 12, 2017, 09:13 »

Thanks Guys.

So if I understand correctly I can download images from a Russian website that we all know distribute our images for free. And then make same new composites with that images?

I do found several images on this portfolio, that i think (not sure) that are composites with images form someone.

But that was Microstock was became this days...

ikostudio · « **Reply #7 on:** November 12, 2017, 09:14 »

Quote from: Lukeruk on November 12, 2017, 09:10

I checked just 5-6 balloons on the bottom and yes, they are same.

Thanks, just in case I make a complaint to shutterstock. :/

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 12, 2017, 09:16 »

Now that you mention it and I'm looking more closely, there are about 8-9 at the bottom that look too similar to be a coincidence, but the rest are different. Maybe a composite?

Shelma1 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 12, 2017, 09:17 »

Quote from: ikostudio on November 12, 2017, 09:13

Thanks Guys.

So if I understand correctly I can download images from a Russian website that we all know distribute our images for free. And then make same new composites with that images?

I do found several images on this portfolio, that i think (not sure) that are composites with images form someone.

But that was Microstock was became this days...

No, I don't believe you can take someone else's photo, chop it up, reconfigure it and sell it as your own. I haven't taken a look at 100%, but it looks to me like they did steal your balloons, and didn't even bother to make sense of them...the light source on the balloons in their photo is all over the place. Many, many suns in that world.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #10 on:** November 12, 2017, 10:36 »

Quote from: ikostudio on November 12, 2017, 09:13

Thanks Guys.

So if I understand correctly I can download images from a Russian website that we all know distribute our images for free. And then make same new composites with that images?

Of course not.

cthoman · « **Reply #11 on:** November 12, 2017, 11:15 »

I guess it raises the question of where all the other images (person, grass, buildings) came from as well.

ikostudio · « **Reply #12 on:** November 12, 2017, 11:57 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 12, 2017, 10:36

Quote from: ikostudio on November 12, 2017, 09:13
Thanks Guys.

So if I understand correctly I can download images from a Russian website that we all know distribute our images for free. And then make same new composites with that images?

Of course not.

I was mocking up

I already have a few years of Microstock to know that...

ikostudio · « **Reply #13 on:** November 12, 2017, 11:59 »

Quote from: cthoman on November 12, 2017, 11:15

I guess it raises the question of where all the other images (person, grass, buildings) came from as well.

Now you get my Point!

If people start looking into this profile will discover a lot of picture from themselves.

Orchidpoet · « **Reply #14 on:** November 12, 2017, 12:12 »

It's interesting that two similar images are also on Alamy:

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-picture-of-a-young-businesswoman-flying-on-the-meadow-while-holding-160556421.html

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-image-of-a-female-worker-holding-colorful-balloons-and-flying-on-the-160558226.html

But they have no model release and no info about the contributor?

noodle · « **Reply #15 on:** November 12, 2017, 19:16 »

I cant see a similarity $:-\$ $:-\$

Mir · « **Reply #16 on:** November 13, 2017, 04:16 »

This part even has the same shadows.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #17 on:** November 13, 2017, 05:49 »

That outtake looks like a copy indeed.

Just wondering why the balloons have no shadow on the beach in your original photo? Looking at the woman's shadow, the balloons should be there as well

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #18 on:** November 13, 2017, 07:02 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on November 13, 2017, 05:49

That outtake looks like a copy indeed.

Just wondering why the balloons have no shadow on the beach in your original photo? Looking at the woman's shadow, the balloons should be there as well

There is a tiny shadow on the ground, but not big enough for that whole thing and it fades out oddly. There's also no footprints. And some other things, like different direction of shadows. Maybe the OP's image is a comp as well.
https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-beautiful-girl-walking-in-the-beach-holding-dozens-of-colored-balloons-126337301.jpg

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2017, 07:11 »

Good catch Sean

ikostudio · « **Reply #20 on:** November 13, 2017, 07:31 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on November 13, 2017, 05:49

That outtake looks like a copy indeed.

Just wondering why the balloons have no shadow on the beach in your original photo? Looking at the woman's shadow, the balloons should be there as well

The original photo is not that one that I show it. That is a composite with a little diference, everything on the image belongs to me, and by the way very old images from 2011, much more olders than the other contributor.

Here is a screenshot from my lightroom with the original files. I think that i'm not the bad guy here...

After this shoot I used there same balloons to make other versions, because is a pain in a hass, filling balloons dozens of balloons with Helio again.

cathyslife · « **Reply #21 on:** November 13, 2017, 08:21 »

Where is the beach and girl photo from? Regarding footprints, I think I detect some slightly lighter ares but footprints would depress into the sand, therefore cause a shadow, no? Hard to tell without a hi rez to inspect, and frankly, I don't care that much. Anyone can say anything here. I love watching the one-upmanship.

ikostudio · « **Reply #22 on:** November 13, 2017, 08:23 »

Quote from: cathyslife on November 13, 2017, 08:21

Where is the beach photo from?

Do you even read anything before posting something?

cathyslife · « **Reply #23 on:** November 13, 2017, 08:29 »

Quote from: ikostudio on November 13, 2017, 08:23

Quote from: cathyslife on November 13, 2017, 08:21
Where is the beach photo from?

Do you even read anything before posting something?

So funny, lots of guys ragging on you, but you choose my comment to call out.

But just in case I missed something, I just went back and re-read YOUR posts. I don't see any mention of a beach. As soon as someone gets defensive, you know a nerve has been touched!

ikostudio · « **Reply #24 on:** November 13, 2017, 08:41 »

Quote from: ikostudio on November 13, 2017, 08:23

Quote from: cathyslife on November 13, 2017, 08:21
Where is the beach photo from?

Do you even read anything before posting something?

So funny, lots of guys ragging on you, but you choose my comment to call out.

But just in case I missed something, I just went back and re-read YOUR posts. I don't see any mention of a beach. As soon as someone gets defensive, you know a nerve has been touched!

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No problem I just ask a opinion and then some people start distrust me.

Here is a new Printscreen of my Lightroom with the original photoshoot where I only used a few red balloons, and if you look closely you can see the first image that i show here, and as I said is a composite.

The woman in front is the model from the first photoshoot and also my girlfriend, the other one is the model that I work several times with her.
And this is not a composite

And we have a bottle of Hellio with the red balloons on it. And magically he have the Beach

kuriouskat · « **Reply #25 on:** November 13, 2017, 08:51 »

@ikostudio, I think you have a clear case here to report the other photographer to Shutterstock, as it certainly looks as if you can provide the solid evidence that your composite came first, (and you own all elements within it), and that the other contributor lifted your balloons to use in a later composite.

I'm not sure why some are starting to distrust you? I guess maybe they are getting their wires crossed.

Anyway, good luck with reporting this, and please let us know the outcome.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #26 on:** November 13, 2017, 09:15 »

I don't think anyone called him out. However it would have helped to mention it was a comp in the first place.

JimP · « **Reply #27 on:** November 13, 2017, 09:25 »

Quote from: Lukeruk on November 12, 2017, 09:10

I checked just 5-6 balloons on the bottom and yes, they are same.

Middle near bottom center, identical group colors and everything. These are stolen.

ikostudio · « **Reply #28 on:** November 13, 2017, 09:38 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 13, 2017, 09:15

I don't think anyone called him out. However it would have helped to mention it was a comp in the first place.

I didn't mention because it was so obvious.
but my problem is not just because someone use one of my images to make others and selling on him portfolio. Just look closely to this portfolio, and everyone can see that at least 50% of the images are composites, and its so ease to know witch elements belongs to the original photographer and the other elements that belong to someone and only change colors and proportions.

I do believe many photographers have is own images on this portfolio and some are in this forum.

ikostudio · « **Reply #29 on:** November 13, 2017, 09:40 »

Quote from: KuriousKat on November 13, 2017, 08:51

@ikostudio, I think you have a clear case here to report the other photographer to Shutterstock, as it certainly looks as if you can provide the solid evidence that your composite came first, (and you own all elements within it), and that the other contributor lifted your balloons to use in a later composite.

I'm not sure why some are starting to distrust you? I guess maybe they are getting their wires crossed.

Anyway, good luck with reporting this, and please let us know the outcome.

Thanks! I already did that, and i'm waiting. And will make a complaint on others agency to.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 13, 2017, 09:50 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 13, 2017, 09:15

I don't think anyone called him out. However it would have helped to mention it was a comp in the first place.

He mentioned it in his original post. "I'm pretty sure that are and the user change the composition and colors in photoshop like I have done to. But i am he owner and have the raw file of the balloons to prove."

ikostudio · « **Reply #31 on:** November 13, 2017, 09:55 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on November 13, 2017, 09:50

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 13, 2017, 09:15
I don't think anyone called him out. However it would have helped to mention it was a comp in the first place.

He mentioned it in his original post. "I'm pretty sure that are and the user change the composition and colors in photoshop like I have done to. But i am he owner and have the raw file of the balloons to prove."

Thanks Shelma, even me forget that I mention that

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #32 on:** November 13, 2017, 10:22 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on November 13, 2017, 09:50

He mentioned it in his original post. "I'm pretty sure that are and the user change the composition and colors in photoshop like I have done to. But i am he owner and have the raw file of the balloons to prove."

Right you are. That didn't jump out at me.

Mrblues101 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 13, 2017, 10:44 »

Quote from: Mir on November 13, 2017, 04:16

This part even has the same shadows.

WOW, amazing!!

50% · « **Reply #34 on:** November 13, 2017, 11:01 »

Good old cheesy Microstock-days, saturation rules

Back to topic yes your balloons have been stolen let us know what SS did about it!

50% · « **Reply #35 on:** November 13, 2017, 11:13 »

He is from Jakarta I've been there, it does exactly look like in this image: https://www.shutterstock.com/de/image-photo/image-siberian-husky-puppy-looking-camera-736510288?src=5NxWcjQdgzNN4IQ4JsyicA-7-59

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #36 on:** November 13, 2017, 11:46 »

Quote from: ikostudio on November 12, 2017, 11:59

Quote from: cthoman on November 12, 2017, 11:15
I guess it raises the question of where all the other images (person, grass, buildings) came from as well.

Now you get my Point! If people start looking into this profile will discover a lot of picture from themselves.

Without being able to find the source images, I find it suspicious that the balloon thief's portfolio has composite images where the image parts are not in the portfolio too. For example, there's a series of diet images that have a cupcake, hotdog, doughnut and pizza slice in them. None of those food images are in that portfolio.

I did do a few searches to see if I could locate the originals, but I wasn't able to in the time I was willing to spend (unfortunately those are popular subjects). If there were one or two more composites where someone recognized the stolen pieces used, it might be enough for SS to take the whole portfolio down (versus just removing the balloon image).

ikostudio · « **Reply #37 on:** November 13, 2017, 13:00 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on November 13, 2017, 11:46

Quote from: ikostudio on November 12, 2017, 11:59
Quote from: cthoman on November 12, 2017, 11:15
I guess it raises the question of where all the other images (person, grass, buildings) came from as well.

Now you get my Point! If people start looking into this profile will discover a lot of picture from themselves.

Without being able to find the source images, I find it suspicious that the balloon thief's portfolio has composite images where the image parts are not in the portfolio too. For example, there's a series of diet images that have a cupcake, hotdog, doughnut and pizza slice in them. None of those food images are in that portfolio.

I did do a few searches to see if I could locate the originals, but I wasn't able to in the time I was willing to spend (unfortunately those are popular subjects). If there were one or two more composites where someone recognized the stolen pieces used, it might be enough for SS to take the whole portfolio down (versus just removing the balloon image).

Yap, you're so right.

Hello, anyone have your own images on this portfolio?

https://www.shutterstock.com/pt/g/creativa

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #38 on:** November 14, 2017, 01:21 »

I hope the agencies take it down. In my experience if the theft isn't easily spotted at a quick glance it is a nightmare getting some of them to act.

Catakitkat · « **Reply #39 on:** November 16, 2017, 14:01 »

If you send a DMCA, any agency should remove the image and wait a counter notification from the guy who stole it. It means that he will have to declare that he is the owner/creator and that he has some files to prove that. Which wont be the case, because you have the raw files.

Catakitkat · « **Reply #40 on:** November 16, 2017, 14:32 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on November 13, 2017, 11:46

Quote from: ikostudio on November 12, 2017, 11:59
Quote from: cthoman on November 12, 2017, 11:15
I guess it raises the question of where all the other images (person, grass, buildings) came from as well.

Now you get my Point! If people start looking into this profile will discover a lot of picture from themselves.

Without being able to find the source images, I find it suspicious that the balloon thief's portfolio has composite images where the image parts are not in the portfolio too. For example, there's a series of diet images that have a cupcake, hotdog, doughnut and pizza slice in them. None of those food images are in that portfolio.

I found the cupcake, and at least the frosting is taken from one of Ruth Black's images. The thing is, he is taking just small parts of the images, changes the shapes and removes small details so the searching tools (tineye, yandex, google.images) wont work/detect them.

Check this out: https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-image-cupcake-image13318716 [nofollow]

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #41 on:** November 16, 2017, 21:02 »

That image is on Shutterstock too - I've written to Ruth Black to see if she can get Shutterstock to take those down (there's a whole bunch with that frosting)

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/pink-cupcake-48159160

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #42 on:** November 25, 2017, 20:42 »

Glad to see that Ruth Black has apparently managed to get SS to take down all the "diet" images with bits from her cupcake images taken down.

Not so happy to see that this portfolio is still up and running. What are the odds that the balloons and cupcakes are the only stolen items in such a huge portfolio?

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