Author Topic: Fiverr (Read 84689 times)

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #150 on:** March 31, 2014, 10:51 »

I'm really depressed!

I reported two bogus gigs to Fiverr support. Both are still up and the response was that they'd forward to the editors and would not let me know the outcome for "privacy" reasons.

I was searching gigs and came upon a Shutterstock contributor who is offering his own Fiverr gig - 79 images for $5!! What on earth would make someone do that? Even just as 38 cent subs he would make $30 for those sales on SS...

http://www.fiverr.com/andreipop/deliver-79-royalty-free-stock-photos-copyright-free-stock-images
http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-490780p1.html

Then I found some images in gigs that offered 100 stock photos for $5 but couldn't find the photos on a stock site and found this bizarro universe where they're flogging Private Label Resale packages. You can buy for $5.99 from here

http://www.theplrstore.com/100-plr-people-images-graphics-p-3411.htm

and then resell on Fiverr as many times as you like. Google image searches for a couple of the images turned up many, many websites using these

http://www.fiverr.com/savagequest/send-you-100-awesome-royalty-free-business-stock-photos

The same images get offered as a bonus if you sign up for a service that seems to be about making web sites to make money

http://www.super-resell.com/templates-amp-graphics/101-transperant-biz-images

http://resellrightsplus.com/101-transparent-biz-images/

It's likely this 100 image pack is legally sold and resold, but at those prices it makes complaints about a race to the bottom with agencies seem almost funny.

There were some gigs offering the sellers own images - not all that good, admitedly - with 79 waterfalls and beaches, or 107 nature scenes for $5. That's more like the free stock sites in that there's a clear quality/style difference, but in a way it's worse because they're charging. If you wanted to offer a legitimate gig you're competing with that sort of pricing, even if the images are not very good.

Here are the two gigs I reported to Fiverr support (with no apparent effect):

http://www.fiverr.com/stockimage/send-you-our-holiday-stock-photo-pack

At a minimum, the above gig is violating their TOS by using images the seller doesn't own in the gallery I give Fiverr support links to one, two, http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-141719401/stock-photo-group-of-friends-celebrating-st-patrick-s-day-at-a-pub.html]three[/url] of the images. If they're not actually selling SS images, then it's fraud.

http://www.fiverr.com/vlad56/sent-you-20-stock-photos-you-pick-at-stock-photos-website

luissantos84 · « **Reply #151 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:23 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 26, 2014, 03:26

The photos that I sell are all royalty free, and you can use them to your sites or anything, without you need to paying royalties or license fees.
Just Place your order and tell me your subject, image IDs, lightbox, links. . . etc.

64 gigs sold in 24 days, 10 on the queue

http://www.fiverr.com/maxsmorgan/send-you-20-stock-photos-vectors-you-want

unbelievable, this thief keeps on selling.... just like others, agencies or fiverr don't give a F

now into 86 sales and 11 orders pending (he had 22 sales in 5 days)

shameless bastar*

SNod · « **Reply #152 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:25 »

I almost want to deposit 50$ and go hunting for the biggest sellers, give them id´s of my own images and document everything. From the official response this seems like the only way to shut them down at the moment, or am I missing something?

tickstock · « **Reply #153 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:36 »

loop · « **Reply #154 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:39 »

With over 300 employees and their new bright offices, it seems that SS could appoint someone to go after this guy. He says he's an SS contributor, he downloads specific lightboxes created by their costumers; the same costumers could be traced through theis IP's (when going to the lightbox) or fiverr names (you can find someof them by simply googling their fiverr nicknames)... There are a thousand things they could do, if they really cared. Maybe they can assume this loss... But, what about SS contributors?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #155 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:40 »

The gig with the graphic of the Shutterstock home page and an invitation to submit image IDs is apparently now no longer available. I guess that's a small step in the right direction.

As far as a sting getting someone to buy your own images, (a) given the information already provided, if either Shutterstock or Fiverr were going to act, they have enough to do so and (b) you wouldn't want to get yourself in trouble with Shutterstock in any way by appearing to game their system by buying your own images.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #156 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:43 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 11:36

If he has a real SS account couldn't someone just pay $5, get him to download some obscure images and then shut down the account that downloaded them? Seems easy enough.

you can do it yourself as well, anyway its not 1 but a little more

tickstock · « **Reply #157 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:48 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #158 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:53 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 11:48

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 31, 2014, 11:43
Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 11:36
If he has a real SS account couldn't someone just pay $5, get him to download some obscure images and then shut down the account that downloaded them? Seems easy enough.

you can do it yourself as well, anyway its not 1 but a little more
I was thinking SS could do it.

you said someone, anyway that is not important, this needs to be sorted out

tickstock · « **Reply #159 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:54 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #160 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:56 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 11:54

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 31, 2014, 11:53
Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 11:48
Quote from: luissantos84 on March 31, 2014, 11:43
Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 11:36
If he has a real SS account couldn't someone just pay $5, get him to download some obscure images and then shut down the account that downloaded them? Seems easy enough.

you can do it yourself as well, anyway its not 1 but a little more
I was thinking SS could do it.

you said someone, anyway that is not important, this needs to be sorted out
Someone from SS, they are the only ones who can close his account.

u haven't writen that

tickstock · « **Reply #161 on:** March 31, 2014, 11:57 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #162 on:** March 31, 2014, 12:00 »

LOL

you haven't written about SS buying the gig, u said someone, end of story

anyway you have done tons to solve this matter, thanks for that!

tickstock · « **Reply #163 on:** March 31, 2014, 12:03 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #164 on:** March 31, 2014, 12:11 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 12:03

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 31, 2014, 12:00
LOL

you haven't written about SS buying the gig, u said someone, end of story

anyway you have done tons to solve this matter, thanks for that!
I'm not sure what your problem is Luis. The only ones who can shut down a SS account are people from SS, someone from SS would be the only person able to do this.

again you haven't said that

tickstock · « **Reply #165 on:** March 31, 2014, 12:12 »

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #166 on:** March 31, 2014, 12:19 »

Regarding this gig

http://www.fiverr.com/mrxr00t3d/give-you-50-full-hd-people-photos

I have contacted the photographer who took the baby in a crib image giving her links to the gig and Fiverr's DMCA report

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-1284707/stock-photo-baby-boy-smiling-in-crib.htm

The instructions when you create a gig are that you must own the copyrights to the images, which this guy in morroco obviously doesn't to that baby image. As my complaint on the 400 holiday images gig (noted above) hasn't resulted in a takedown, perhaps having the image owner make the complaint will get some response.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #167 on:** March 31, 2014, 16:10 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 12:12

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 31, 2014, 12:11
Quote from: tickstock on March 31, 2014, 12:03
Quote from: luissantos84 on March 31, 2014, 12:00
LOL

you haven't written about SS buying the gig, u said someone, end of story

anyway you have done tons to solve this matter, thanks for that!
I'm not sure what your problem is Luis. The only ones who can shut down a SS account are people from SS, someone from SS would be the only person able to do this.

again you haven't said that
If he has a real SS account couldn't someone (from SS) just pay $5, get him to download some obscure images and then shut down the account that downloaded them? Seems easy enough.

It's written out for you, can you understand now?

much better ticktock

MarcvsTvllivs · « **Reply #168 on:** April 01, 2014, 04:20 »

If any of these sellers turn out to be located in Germany, let me know. I will go after them.

No use in trying it anywhere else though. (for me)

ann · « **Reply #169 on:** April 01, 2014, 07:35 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on March 29, 2014, 13:30

Quote from: EmberMike on March 29, 2014, 12:38

Fiverr did mention to me that they are interested getting more stock image gigs direct from artists, maybe even set up a separate category/section. If anyone wants to sell at Fiverr, definitely reach out to them with any questions. They do seem receptive to getting some legit photo gigs going.

I've been toying with the idea of offering packages of blog sized images there (and probably on my own site). Picking things I think would make sense for bloggers and others looking to do things on the cheap and packaging them so they're an attractive deal but not a giveaway. I don't think I need any help from them to set it up though - I was looking through my pile of stuff to see what might make sense and think how to bundle.

All communications and deliveries take place through their system, so I guess I'd have to make a zip file with the license and the JPEGs, but I don't know how that part works. Given their attitudes towards IP, I'm a bit gun shy about working with them. Has the taste of Deposit Photos a bit...

Really? Perhaps I'm missing some implied message, but if not:
No site is perfect, but fiverr hardly seems a company anyone who respects copyrights would want to be associated with.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #170 on:** April 01, 2014, 10:18 »

Quote from: ann on April 01, 2014, 07:35

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on March 29, 2014, 13:30
Quote from: EmberMike on March 29, 2014, 12:38

Fiverr did mention to me that they are interested getting more stock image gigs direct from artists, maybe even set up a separate category/section. If anyone wants to sell at Fiverr, definitely reach out to them with any questions. They do seem receptive to getting some legit photo gigs going.

I've been toying with the idea of offering packages of blog sized images there (and probably on my own site). Picking things I think would make sense for bloggers and others looking to do things on the cheap and packaging them so they're an attractive deal but not a giveaway. I don't think I need any help from them to set it up though - I was looking through my pile of stuff to see what might make sense and think how to bundle.

All communications and deliveries take place through their system, so I guess I'd have to make a zip file with the license and the JPEGs, but I don't know how that part works. Given their attitudes towards IP, I'm a bit gun shy about working with them. Has the taste of Deposit Photos a bit...

Really? Perhaps I'm missing some implied message, but if not:
No site is perfect, but fiverr hardly seems a company anyone who respects copyrights would want to be associated with.

I don't think you were missing anything - at least I didn't have any unspoken message in mind

I am still thinking over the idea of packages of blog sized images, but for my own site only at this point.

I don't want to rule out new marketplaces too quickly - don't want to be the 2014 equivalent of the traditional agencies pooh-poohing microstock - but the response (or mostly lack thereof) from Fiverr to the complaints of obvious abuse has been unsatisfactory so far.

Pilens · « **Reply #171 on:** April 01, 2014, 15:01 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on April 01, 2014, 10:18

Quote from: ann on April 01, 2014, 07:35
Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on March 29, 2014, 13:30
Quote from: EmberMike on March 29, 2014, 12:38

Fiverr did mention to me that they are interested getting more stock image gigs direct from artists, maybe even set up a separate category/section. If anyone wants to sell at Fiverr, definitely reach out to them with any questions. They do seem receptive to getting some legit photo gigs going.

I've been toying with the idea of offering packages of blog sized images there (and probably on my own site). Picking things I think would make sense for bloggers and others looking to do things on the cheap and packaging them so they're an attractive deal but not a giveaway. I don't think I need any help from them to set it up though - I was looking through my pile of stuff to see what might make sense and think how to bundle.

All communications and deliveries take place through their system, so I guess I'd have to make a zip file with the license and the JPEGs, but I don't know how that part works. Given their attitudes towards IP, I'm a bit gun shy about working with them. Has the taste of Deposit Photos a bit...

Really? Perhaps I'm missing some implied message, but if not:
No site is perfect, but fiverr hardly seems a company anyone who respects copyrights would want to be associated with.

I don't think you were missing anything - at least I didn't have any unspoken message in mind

I am still thinking over the idea of packages of blog sized images, but for my own site only at this point.

I don't want to rule out new marketplaces too quickly - don't want to be the 2014 equivalent of the traditional agencies pooh-poohing microstock - but the response (or mostly lack thereof) from Fiverr to the complaints of obvious abuse has been unsatisfactory so far.

I started thinking about the same. My main goal would be NOT just to sell my images BUT, by phrasing my offer accordingly, to inform buyers about the shady deal they get from those shutterstock "resellers", promote the fair trade aspect of buying directly from the artist and to drive traffic to my Symbiostock site. I hope I find some time soon to check out if/how that would be possible on Fiverr.

If a 100 or so of us with their own sites would do that regularly it should have some impact. At least assuming that not all image buyers over there at Fiverr are hard-core pirates...

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #172 on:** April 01, 2014, 16:19 »

Quote from: Pilens on April 01, 2014, 15:01

...My main goal would be NOT just to sell my images BUT, by phrasing my offer accordingly, to inform buyers about the shady deal they get from those shutterstock "resellers", promote the fair trade aspect of buying directly from the artist and to drive traffic to my Symbiostock site. ..

The only links they permit off site are to YouTube or to Flickr, so you'd have to indirectly guide buyers to your own site via either of those. Fiverr's goal (explicitly stated in one of the FAQs for sellers) is to have all links inbound to Fiverr - so you can promote your gig on your own site but not direct the gig buyer elsewhere. And they say they will terminate the account for not following the rules.

The private label deals, which I think are legit, are 100 images for $5 and the contributor who's openly selling his own portfolio at 79 for $5 or 107 for $5 makes it really hard to consider what I had in mind - a package of blog sized images at a discount

Pilens · « **Reply #173 on:** April 01, 2014, 17:04 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on April 01, 2014, 16:19

Quote from: Pilens on April 01, 2014, 15:01

...My main goal would be NOT just to sell my images BUT, by phrasing my offer accordingly, to inform buyers about the shady deal they get from those shutterstock "resellers", promote the fair trade aspect of buying directly from the artist and to drive traffic to my Symbiostock site. ..

The only links they permit off site are to YouTube or to Flickr, so you'd have to indirectly guide buyers to your own site via either of those. Fiverr's goal (explicitly stated in one of the FAQs for sellers) is to have all links inbound to Fiverr - so you can promote your gig on your own site but not direct the gig buyer elsewhere. And they say they will terminate the account for not following the rules.

The private label deals, which I think are legit, are 100 images for $5 and the contributor who's openly selling his own portfolio at 79 for $5 or 107 for $5 makes it really hard to consider what I had in mind - a package of blog sized images at a discount

No direct link is bad. Maybe I try my link as plain text and see if that'll fly. Others name shutterstock, thinkstock, depositphotos and so on in their gigs, too. Hard to compete with those rates if you want to preserve a bit of self-respect, though. I was thinking to offer 4 or 5 bloggees for $5. As I said, I wouldn't expect to get rich...

ShadySue · « **Reply #174 on:** April 01, 2014, 17:23 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on April 01, 2014, 16:19

Fiverr ...d they say they will terminate the account for not following the rules.

However, break other websites' T&Cs and that's just hunky-dory.

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