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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2010, 17:59 »
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Ok I've reported the issue to the Yahoo Copyright Police

Hi Kone!
hmmm sorry to hear that... sounds very strange.

Could you please give me the link of your original images and then the link of the same in the thief's flickr account?
I  want to write a report to the yahoo copyright police as well, just to lend a hand.

Maybe it's just a matter of time but they will get back to you, I'm pretty sure.


Hi cclaper
Hi Giuseppe

I am sorry for late response

Link for my original image is
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-3879071-beer.php

And link for stolen image is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cafecathi/3839201933#

Thanks for your help


Uncle Pete

  • Evidence please...

« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2010, 18:07 »
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Hi Kone!
hmmm sorry to hear that... sounds very strange.

Could you please give me the link of your original images and then the link of the same in the thief's flickr account?
I  want to write a report to the yahoo copyright police as well, just to lend a hand.

Maybe it's just a matter of time but they will get back to you, I'm pretty sure.


Hi cclaper
Hi Giuseppe

I am sorry for late response

Link for my original image is
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-3879071-beer.php

And link for stolen image is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cafecathi/3839201933#

Thanks for your help


This one too, same photo, just another Flickr thief.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44787562@N02/4178115893/#

« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2010, 18:08 »
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I just went to the link Kone provided for the stolen image and I get:

This member is no longer active on Flickr.

Looks like we nailed another one.

« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2010, 18:12 »
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This one too, same photo, just another Flickr thief.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44787562@N02/4178115893/#


I just posted a comment at the bottom of this thief's page.

« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2010, 18:18 »
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This one too, same photo, just another Flickr thief.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44787562@N02/4178115893/#


I just posted a comment at the bottom of this thief's page.


I left a comment as well

« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 18:49 »
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As laudable as your efforts are they are a mere drop in the ocean compared to images available the file sharing sites, which have been going since the 90s one way or another.

I'm sure most folks here will have their work freely distributed on them, I know I have, for example there are 5619 pages and counting on just one site, heroturko.org , and nothing seems to have been able to be done about them. :-\

« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2010, 18:55 »
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As laudable as your efforts are they are a mere drop in the ocean compared to images available the file sharing sites, which have been going since the 90s one way or another.

I'm sure most folks here will have their work freely distributed on them, I know I have, for example there are 5619 pages and counting on just one site, heroturko.org , and nothing seems to have been able to be done about them. :-\

Good point __ but why not? In particular with Istock's exclusive content, like yours and many others, why is the issue not being addressed? Heroturko openly boasts about the sources of many of the images.

« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2010, 18:57 »
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As laudable as your efforts are they are a mere drop in the ocean compared to images available the file sharing sites, which have been going since the 90s one way or another.

I'm sure most folks here will have their work freely distributed on them, I know I have, for example there are 5619 pages and counting on just one site, heroturko.org , and nothing seems to have been able to be done about them. :-\

Very true... not so many weeks ago I was contacted by a photographer who's a fan of my works because he noticed on Heroturko a collection of my 360 equirectangular panoramas freely distributed on that site. Luckily I got to take them down but the problem is that heroturko is just a "Mirror" that offers links to pirate files uploaded on uploading-servers. Quite an endless war but as long as I can win some battle to save my work I think that's still what's worth fighting for.

Uncle Pete

  • Evidence please...

« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2010, 20:55 »
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I just went to the link Kone provided for the stolen image and I get:

This member is no longer active on Flickr.

Looks like we nailed another one.


Sure but Kone and others had been reporting it five weeks ago. Someone finally took notice or Giuseppe knows the right buttons to push and get results. Thank him. Maybe people with a pro account get noticed.  ;D

Unfortunately the photo is out in the wild. Some may be legit buyers and some are Kone's own shots on agency pages. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

http://www.tineye.com/search/0722437ac1fa22f1c9053cf0b142040268a2ebbc
« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 21:12 by RacePhoto »

« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2010, 20:56 »
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This one too, same photo, just another Flickr thief.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44787562@N02/4178115893/#


I just posted a comment at the bottom of this thief's page.


I left a comment as well


Thanks again

Kone

« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2010, 02:11 »
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My pleasure to help!
I told you I know Flickr very well  ;)

« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2010, 02:22 »
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Ok Kone, I've noticed that the other guy with your photo is still active so I reported the CR infringement to Yahoo as well... we should see the same results for that as well in short time.
 :P

« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2010, 08:00 »
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As laudable as your efforts are they are a mere drop in the ocean compared to images available the file sharing sites, which have been going since the 90s one way or another.

I'm sure most folks here will have their work freely distributed on them, I know I have, for example there are 5619 pages and counting on just one site, heroturko.org , and nothing seems to have been able to be done about them.

Have you found a best-selling image of yours on one of these sites? Maybe that's the difference. Once it happens to you, the threads that show on the board have a little more interest.

It's not that I never cared before...with having to work a full-time job to pay a mortgage, I don't usually have all day to sit and cruise the boards and play detective, even for my own work. Sometimes the threads float to the bottom before I even have a chance to see them. You can believe the Image Sleuth section is going to be noticed by me a little more now.

In the past couple of days I have spent hours on this, hours that could have been used to make real money. But this is costing all of us money, too. If someone needs help, you can be sure I will do my best to help and I would hope others would help me, as they have just done.

Maybe it just takes everyone looking out and helping everyone else on this matter.

OK off my high horse now.  :D

« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2010, 09:05 »
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Ok Kone, I've noticed that the other guy with your photo is still active so I reported the CR infringement to Yahoo as well... we should see the same results for that as well in short time.
 :P

Hi,
What is wrong with all of those people?!?

Thanks again

Kone

« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2010, 09:19 »
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As laudable as your efforts are they are a mere drop in the ocean compared to images available the file sharing sites, which have been going since the 90s one way or another.

I'm sure most folks here will have their work freely distributed on them, I know I have, for example there are 5619 pages and counting on just one site, heroturko.org , and nothing seems to have been able to be done about them.

Have you found a best-selling image of yours on one of these sites? Maybe that's the difference. Once it happens to you, the threads that show on the board have a little more interest.

It's not that I never cared before...with having to work a full-time job to pay a mortgage, I don't usually have all day to sit and cruise the boards and play detective, even for my own work. Sometimes the threads float to the bottom before I even have a chance to see them. You can believe the Image Sleuth section is going to be noticed by me a little more now.

In the past couple of days I have spent hours on this, hours that could have been used to make real money. But this is costing all of us money, too. If someone needs help, you can be sure I will do my best to help and I would hope others would help me, as they have just done.

Maybe it just takes everyone looking out and helping everyone else on this matter.

OK off my high horse now.  :D

Hi cclapper,
That is the way we should all do, this is where this forum is really helpful, as team we are more powerful. ;D

Kone

« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2010, 09:54 »
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Ok Kone, I've noticed that the other guy with your photo is still active so I reported the CR infringement to Yahoo as well... we should see the same results for that as well in short time.
 :P


I just did a small TinEye search on this person's portfolio http://www.flickr.com/photos/44787562@N02/ [nofollow] with the infringing beer photo here http://www.flickr.com/photos/44787562@N02/4178115893/# [nofollow] and I also noticed a photo that looked very familiar: a field of lavender (it is the French in me!). I may be wrong but I suspect it is a copyright violation as well as it is an iStockphoto image. The original image with the following caption: "Image shows a lavender field in the region of Provence, southern France, photographed on a windy afternoon " is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44787562@N02/4280278563/# [nofollow] the TinEye search with an iStock match is here:
http://www.tineye.com/search/647ee35890119d8abc97919c2cb44e561814a551 [nofollow]

As I see billions of images, I noticed a few images in that portfolio that are totally out of place but I don't have time to do all the searches... sorry guys!

« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2010, 09:57 »
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I noticed a few images I recognized from istock. I have emailed the owners to let them know.

« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2010, 09:57 »
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you are right, I already reported the lavander image as well this morning (Italian time) but the whole stream is stuffed with images from istock... I wonder why? It makes no sense.
Anyway I hope they will close that account.

donding

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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2010, 10:33 »
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You'd think flickr would be more strict about this, but I guess they have no control over who places what on there if the person says they are the copyright holder. It seems to be happening more and more.

« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2010, 10:49 »
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You'd think flickr would be more strict about this, but I guess they have no control over who places what on there if the person says they are the copyright holder. It seems to be happening more and more.

You know better than me that patroling over a community so vast like Flickr's is nearly impossible.
But I can tell you that they are strict when it comes to CR issues.
If you want to really report something, it's useless to write to the owner or to the staff, the only way to get it right is writing to the Yahoo staff via the link at the bottom of the page "Copyright/IP Policy". Anyway you can always report the problem to the staff just to make sure you have tried all the possible ways.

donding

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« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2010, 10:55 »
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You'd think flickr would be more strict about this, but I guess they have no control over who places what on there if the person says they are the copyright holder. It seems to be happening more and more.

You know better than me that patroling over a community so vast like Flickr's is nearly impossible.
But I can tell you that they are strict when it comes to CR issues.
If you want to really report something, it's useless to write to the owner or to the staff, the only way to get it right is writing to the Yahoo staff via the link at the bottom of the page "Copyright/IP Policy". Anyway you can always report the problem to the staff just to make sure you have tried all the possible ways.
I will try to remember that in case I need to use it in the future. Hopefully I won't.

« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2010, 15:15 »
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Which agencies beside Getty use TinEye? It could never find any of my images besides IS.


A few. You will start to see more results soon:
http://www.tineye.com/search/ac6f974a2e2576c20d3d8ec407cb05ee473dc997 [nofollow]

« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2010, 16:45 »
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As laudable as your efforts are they are a mere drop in the ocean compared to images available the file sharing sites, which have been going since the 90s one way or another.

I'm sure most folks here will have their work freely distributed on them, I know I have, for example there are 5619 pages and counting on just one site, heroturko.org , and nothing seems to have been able to be done about them.

Have you found a best-selling image of yours on one of these sites? Maybe that's the difference. Once it happens to you, the threads that show on the board have a little more interest.

It's not that I never cared before...with having to work a full-time job to pay a mortgage, I don't usually have all day to sit and cruise the boards and play detective, even for my own work. Sometimes the threads float to the bottom before I even have a chance to see them. You can believe the Image Sleuth section is going to be noticed by me a little more now.

In the past couple of days I have spent hours on this, hours that could have been used to make real money. But this is costing all of us money, too. If someone needs help, you can be sure I will do my best to help and I would hope others would help me, as they have just done.

Maybe it just takes everyone looking out and helping everyone else on this matter.

OK off my high horse now.  :D

Yes I have found more than one of my best selling images packaged up with similars from others in one nice downloadable themed chunk on HeroTurko. But that is but one portal to a spiders web of mine of countless thousands of such bundles including many complete discs from getty and corbis etc etc. That they have not been able to stop this over many many years would indicate to me that I would be wasting my time trying to do anything about it. Before rapidshare and torrents from the mid nineties onwards every photodisc, Digital Vision etc. etc. cd was available through hotline and limewire or a few bucks to someone in the far east.

I have to report that there is a whole generation that believes that digital files are free game. Where I work, in a small design agency, we take on student work placements and their personal laptops are crammed full of unpaid for software, videos, images, songs, fonts etc. Like it or not, like shoplifting  and other forms of 'shrinkage' this is a cost of doing business in the digital world.

Wearing another of my hats as a manager of a moderately successful semi pro rock band that cost of doing business is so high that it's nigh on making it unsustainable to record anymore. Reviewers leak albums out before their release date and they are available as torrents that all but the most dedicated fans will help themselves to before the official stuff gets out. To add insult to injury many torrent sites will note the number of downloads.

The depth of this festering wound really does mean that the abuses on flicker, stolen images on others portfolios etc. that can be addressed are just scratching the surface. Fine if you do get a result, but in the micro world cost-benefit-wise are you really gaining anything?

And in the macro world when it comes to getty tracking down a misused image with its crawler and seeking thousands from the often unwitting small business owner who used one of the aformentioned students to design a website does the photographer get his commission?

« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2010, 16:53 »
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From my experience Getty are pretty good at chasing down unauthorized usage...and yes, they do our percentage of the licensing fee that the offender pays...



And in the macro world when it comes to getty tracking down a misused image with its crawler and seeking thousands from the often unwitting small business owner who used one of the aformentioned students to design a website does the photographer get his commission?

« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2010, 17:03 »
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From my experience Getty are pretty good at chasing down unauthorized usage...and yes, they do our percentage of the licensing fee that the offender pays...



And in the macro world when it comes to getty tracking down a misused image with its crawler and seeking thousands from the often unwitting small business owner who used one of the aformentioned students to design a website does the photographer get his commission?
Well that's something then  :)


 

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