Author Topic: Twitter becoming a dump for photos and to hell with copyright ! (Read 2611 times)

antistock · « **on:** July 06, 2012, 01:47 »

Shameful sex pics are trending on Twitter
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/4413498/Shameful-sex-pics-are-trending-on-Twitter.html

offtopic, but a very good development in my opinion !

the more these social networks become a fully illegal dump for pictures the sooner the web will have to be regulated and put into its place.

i want to see more than just these "shameful" (??) pics of half naked girlfriend, i want to see openly and massively abusing images posted everywhere, rich and famous people sueing twitter and pushing government for a strict law against anonymous publishing on the web as a whole, that's the only way to bring back some sanity into the actual wild west of the internet.

hope they spam also flickr, pinterest, and facebook, the more the better, nice to see daily headlines about the web being the source of all evils, i say cripple down the whole internet and it will be a better place for all of us selling digital products.

Karimala · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2012, 08:26 »

Quote from: antistock on July 06, 2012, 01:47

Shameful sex pics are trending on Twitter
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/4413498/Shameful-sex-pics-are-trending-on-Twitter.html

offtopic, but a very good development in my opinion !

the more these social networks become a fully illegal dump for pictures the sooner the web will have to be regulated and put into its place.

i want to see more than just these "shameful" (??) pics of half naked girlfriend, i want to see openly and massively abusing images posted everywhere, rich and famous people sueing twitter and pushing government for a strict law against anonymous publishing on the web as a whole, that's the only way to bring back some sanity into the actual wild west of the internet.

hope they spam also flickr, pinterest, and facebook, the more the better, nice to see daily headlines about the web being the source of all evils, i say cripple down the whole internet and it will be a better place for all of us selling digital products.

W...T...F?!!!? Let me see if I understand you correctly. You want to see more men post and share pics of the unsuspecting, random semi-naked women they have one-night stands with, just so the law cracks down on sites like Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest and Flickr?! You don't care about the violations of these women's privacy or the posting of semi-nude or nude photos without their permission in the process of getting what you want?!

That's absolutely sick.

click_click · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2012, 09:08 »

Yes I want to see more (not me personally but the copyright aware person in me) as well.

I suggest all women post all the small d!cks of their ex-boyfriends and turn things around.

Like antistock said (and I believe he does NOT enjoy these images of violated women) he wants to see all these social networks getting sued by VIPs and everyone who has the financial muscle to hire a lawyer to set things straight(er) in regards to copyright violations etc.

People need to be massively educated about copyright. That would be a step into the right direction.

antistock · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2012, 13:13 »

just to clarify :

yes, my concept is that for the internet to be cleaned up and regulated on a worldwide basis the only way is for the internet to become completely out of control, a gigantic dump and the biggest hotbed for unlawful activities ever seen.

if it stays the way it is now, nobody will move a finger, nobody will shut down youtube or flickr or pinterest or Heroturko etc .. governments need a smoking gun and pressure from the top to make bold moves.

after all it's not such a big deal, there are already police units monitoring the web 24x7 for pedophiles, terrorists, gun dealers, drug dealers, prostitution, why not a unit for copyright infringments ?

cardmaverick · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2012, 13:27 »

Quote from: antistock on July 06, 2012, 13:13

just to clarify :

yes, my concept is that for the internet to be cleaned up and regulated on a worldwide basis the only way is for the internet to become completely out of control, a gigantic dump and the biggest hotbed for unlawful activities ever seen.

if it stays the way it is now, nobody will move a finger, nobody will shut down youtube or flickr or pinterest or Heroturko etc .. governments need a smoking gun and pressure from the top to make bold moves.

after all it's not such a big deal, there are already police units monitoring the web 24x7 for pedophiles, terrorists, gun dealers, drug dealers, prostitution, why not a unit for copyright infringments ?

So in other words you want to shut down the web. I don't see any form of progress doing that.

antistock · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2012, 13:29 »

Quote from: click_click on July 06, 2012, 09:08

I suggest all women post all the small d!cks of their ex-boyfriends and turn things around.

People need to be massively educated about copyright. That would be a step into the right direction.

exactly !

it's time they realize the actual internet is the ultimate evil, it's a new media where logic and common sense
don't apply, where laws and rules are not enforced and where there's no police coming for help when crap happens.

in the old times VIPs could sue gossip magazines or TV channels or paparazzis or book publishers, now if they're ridicoulized on twitter or FB
there's absolutely nothing they can do.

i mean just imagine somebody say on twitter you're gay or you beat your wife or you're dead or you go with underage girls !
what the F can you do ?

this situation cannot go on forever, something will have to change and it must be a radical change.
if you do something on the web, you must be accountable for it, and identifiable, just like in the real world.

besides, what did they expected providing billions of people with cameras on their cell phones, webcams in their laptops, cheap internet connections, and social networks ?

people is more and more abusing technology, it can only get worse.

antistock · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2012, 13:40 »

Quote from: Karimala on July 06, 2012, 08:26

You want to see more men post and share pics of the unsuspecting, random semi-naked women they have one-night stands with, just so the law cracks down on sites like Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest and Flickr?! You don't care about the violations of these women's privacy or the posting of semi-nude or nude photos without their permission in the process of getting what you want?!

That's absolutely sick.

no, i want it to make big headline in all the news, the ideal thing would be a big internet scandal every month so that
step by step we reach the point where a consensus "enough is enough" is achieved and EU and US start drafting a common
draconian law to protect users and this of course will first and foremost protect photographers as photos are the main
way to defame people on the net.

these girls should sue the offenders AND twitter as well, because twitter provides no moderation and no checks whatsover
and what is published on their platform.

and here's the focal point of the whole story : unmoderated platforms are de facto are a tool to allow illegal activities and
since they can't be controlled the only way is to shut them down.

it happens in china and many other countries ... it's just a matter of political will.

antistock · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2012, 13:42 »

Quote from: cardmaverick on July 06, 2012, 13:27

So in other words you want to shut down the web. I don't see any form of progress doing that.

it's a matter of justice, and it would be indeed a big progress in any department, not just for photographers.

antistock · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2012, 13:53 »

Quote from: Karimala on July 06, 2012, 08:26

You don't care about the violations of these women's privacy

that's the internet nowadays !

as a photographer i would need at the very least a model release or a licence, and this should be the same for
everybody !

why instead any 13 yrs old as-s-hole is now allowed in full impunity to publish photos on the web ?

what were they thinking when they provided billions of people with cameras in their cell phones, fast internet connections, social networks ?
no wonder they're abusing all this and it's just the tip of the iceberg, there's plenty of Apps for IOS and Android making it even easier to mass share content of any sort with no regard for privacy or copyright.

cclapper · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2012, 15:12 »

I understand your point, and I know something has to be done, I'm just not sure flooding the internet with porn is the right way to go. After all, there are a lot of good people using the net, and students using it for research, etc. And not everyone is infringing, some people actually do pay for photos.

I don't understand why a crackdown can't occur on copyright infringers. It shouldn't be that difficult...it's just that with pinterest, fb, etc. making millions of it, it's going to be difficult. But there MUST be some way...

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after all it's not such a big deal, there are already police units monitoring the web 24x7 for pedophiles, terrorists, gun dealers, drug dealers, prostitution, why not a unit for copyright infringments ?

That sounds more like it. But I don't see that happening unless the likes of Getty and other big $$ companies get involved. But when Getty is a partner with pinterest, you know things are going in the wrong direction for us...they must be going in the right direction for Getty though.

antistock · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2012, 14:04 »

the only way is to make it illegal to post anything on the web unless you're registered and the content you upload is pre-screened for copyright infringment.

it is technologically doable, but there's not the political will to enforce something like this on big scale.

where is the problem exactly ? we all do this with agencies, and so do musicians with itunes etc, why random users are 100% free of do the F they want ?

there's the BSA and many other orgs who claim to be hellbent against piracy, how sites who link to torrents of any possible version of Adobe suite etc are not shut down ? heroturko and the hundreds of others and the dozens of warez forums, the BSA never moved a finger, and so the other useless anti-spam and anti-malware organizations.

i mean, even the Pirate Bay is still online and kicking, just with new servers overseas.

in plus, Kim Dotcom of MegaUpload will soon be freed from jail as the NZ tribunal thinks he's not guilty !!
he hasn't lost time to announce his next project called mega box or something like that, basically a sort of youtube for pirated mp3 music !

years ago pirates used the excuse that music is too expensive and artists should make a living with live gigs.
well, now it's the reality for the biggest artists as CD sales keep declining and guess what, to go in a gig they ask crazy prices, as much as 100$ for a ticket, and CD prices are rising as well to recoup the lost sales.

a nice scenario for those who really like music eh ?
now wait for the same sh-it in photography, video, and more.

but wait a minute, how can photographers make live gigs ? are we expected to give away our photos and make money from vernissages and exhibitions where people pay 50-100 bucks to see our prints ? that would be the death of photography unless you're already rich and famous, and in fact young musicians never had it harder than today to make a dime out of their music despite having maybe millions of freeloaders following them on facebook.

who needs free advertising if nobody is willing to buy the product ?

Lagereek · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2012, 14:18 »

yes! down with the whole f--king thing! we can sell our files over the phone, much, much cleaner

Karimala · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2012, 17:30 »

Why do you even bother selling images online when you hate copyright infringement and sharing so much?

The solution to your problem isn't shutting down the entire internet (which would put me and numerous others immediately out of business) or forcing honest, innocent users to register before being allowed to add content online. Go find an agency that still distributes print catalogs or something...or better yet...think up a constructive solution folks can actually work with.

Mantis · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2012, 17:50 »

okay...ENOUGH!! Lets see I am hungry.

sharpshot · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2012, 18:08 »

I read there was over $6 billion spent on legal music downloads last year. The music industry has lost a lot but there's still a lot of money going to the big artists and the less successful artists have always found it difficult to make a living. Thankfully there's still a lot of people that would rather pay than get something illegally. And that's for non-commercial use.

antistock · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2012, 04:36 »

Quote from: Karimala on July 08, 2012, 17:30

Go find an agency that still distributes print catalogs or something...or better yet...think up a constructive solution folks can actually work with.

you don't realize how bad the situation is, even the porn industry is in deep sh-it and many production studios have closed down
in the last few years due to PIRACY alone :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2012/jun/05/how-internet-killed-porn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18352421

any industry selling digital products is struggling to stay afloat, software, music, video, photography, porn, news, and much more.
there's NO solution at the moment, it's pointless to tell us to stop complaining and to work harder, the only good thing is that photographers are
still having it better than the guys in music or porn, but for how long ?

sharpshot · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2012, 05:08 »

Quote from: antistock on July 09, 2012, 04:36

....the only good thing is that photographers are still having it better than the guys in music or porn, but for how long ?

Can't you see the difference? People buy music and porn for their own entertainment purposes. Most of the stock images market is for businesses or other professionals buying images that they are using in money making projects. It's two very different markets. Lots of our images are stolen but most legitimate businesses are going to want to avoid getting in to trouble by paying what is probably a miniscule fee to them to license an image. The people that download images illegally are either those that were never going to pay for them anyway or those that don't care about getting themselves or their clients in trouble. I would like to see more done to stop them but I can't see how it can cause the same damage that it has to the music industry.

Difydave · « **Reply #17 on:** July 09, 2012, 07:21 »

Quote from: sharpshot on July 09, 2012, 05:08

Quote from: antistock on July 09, 2012, 04:36
....the only good thing is that photographers are still having it better than the guys in music or porn, but for how long ?
Can't you see the difference? People buy music and porn for their own entertainment purposes. Most of the stock images market is for businesses or other professionals buying images that they are using in money making projects. It's two very different markets. Lots of our images are stolen but most legitimate businesses are going to want to avoid getting in to trouble by paying what is probably a miniscule fee to them to license an image. The people that download images illegally are either those that were never going to pay for them anyway or those that don't care about getting themselves or their clients in trouble. I would like to see more done to stop them but I can't see how it can cause the same damage that it has to the music industry.

This is much what I think. There's loads of "free" stuff available on the internet, and casual users don't really care about licenses. Businesses on the other hand need licenses to use an image, and by using one of the agencies they get access both to good quality content, and a license to use it safely for what is to them a small business expense.
I'd like to see a change in general attitudes too, but I can't see it happening.

Karimala · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2012, 10:26 »

Quote from: sharpshot on July 09, 2012, 05:08

Quote from: antistock on July 09, 2012, 04:36
....the only good thing is that photographers are still having it better than the guys in music or porn, but for how long ?

Can't you see the difference? People buy music and porn for their own entertainment purposes. Most of the stock images market is for businesses or other professionals buying images that they are using in money making projects. It's two very different markets. Lots of our images are stolen but most legitimate businesses are going to want to avoid getting in to trouble by paying what is probably a miniscule fee to them to license an image. The people that download images illegally are either those that were never going to pay for them anyway or those that don't care about getting themselves or their clients in trouble. I would like to see more done to stop them but I can't see how it can cause the same damage that it has to the music industry.

Excellent post! A voice of reason.

Quote from: antistock on July 09, 2012, 04:36

you don't realize how bad the situation is, even the porn industry is in deep sh-it and many production studios have closed down
in the last few years due to PIRACY alone.

I don't? I've been interested in piracy longer than I've been a photographer. I also work with models in the porn industry (including one who was a Penthouse Pet of the Month). What I don't understand is why you...you and only you...continue to upload images online when piracy clearly angers you.

Most of my experience with piracy involves small-time bloggers who don't know any better or don't care. Only twice have I found an image on a site selling my image on a product (business cards and a cutting board), and I've never found one on sites like Heroturko. If I'm losing money to piracy, it's not much and it's only to people I would expect to steal my images...and to me, that's just part of the cost of doing business on the internet.

Just because I'm not freaking out about piracy doesn't mean I (and others) don't know or understand or care about how bad the situation is. I just don't see the situation to be a dire as you do and think that the internet should be regulated with draconian China-like laws as you're suggesting. That's overkill.

Poncke · « **Reply #19 on:** July 09, 2012, 11:55 »

What I get from the article is that porn is now offered on sites as youporn by amateurs. Thats not piracy, thats the same as uncle bob picking up a SLR and shoot his niece's wedding. Thats a lost gig to a pro photog, but its not piracy.

antistock · « **Reply #20 on:** July 09, 2012, 12:41 »

sorry but i disagree.

blogs are NOT an amateur fly by night operation.
they make money and sometimes lots of it.

and guess what, everybody is raving in the blog communities about the importance of high quality images to illustrate their silly rants.

funny to read they realized their articles are absolute trash and worthless but with nice photos they can catch the attention of a few readers.

good, but still nobody is paying a dime for photos and videos, that's the point, and don't tell me once they move to Pro blogging they do everything legal, even the biggest blogs like BoingBoing or TechCrunch stole images for ages and if they ever reply to you regarding copyright and RF/RM licences it's usually with a middle finger.

TechCrunch had to change its workflow just because it's been bought by AOL otherwise they were stealing images every other day even from Getty or AP and AFP !

it seems there's an acceptance that "web size" images are not an issue and that they're not money lost.
think again ! the whole internet runs on web sized images ! we're indeed losing a lot of potential money here, a 500px photo is way more than enough for any online newspaper and for any blog.

and talking again about blogs, some top blogs make more money than some big newspaper now, please enlight me why should they ever received a fair or special treatment ?

to top if off, the Huffington Post even takes pride in not paying writers and bloggers !

you guys are all minimizing the dreadful situation we're in now and it can only get worse.
there's a HUGE demand for web size image, but no "web police" to kick the as-s of the infringers, and no layers willing to move a finger to sue somebody for a 1$ stock image.

we're screwed and they laugh on our back !

antistock · « **Reply #21 on:** July 09, 2012, 14:13 »

Quote from: Poncke on July 09, 2012, 11:55

What I get from the article is that porn is now offered on sites as youporn by amateurs. Thats not piracy, thats the same as uncle bob picking up a SLR and shoot his niece's wedding. Thats a lost gig to a pro photog, but its not piracy.

some videos are self-made, many others are pirated from commercial porn movie, that's the point.

if you see a threesome done in a studio do you think it's an amateur video ? think again, somebody spent money to produce it, but they all end up
in this video sharing sites.

what's the incentive for buyers to stick with DVDs or pay-per-view sites ? not much anymore.
the many youporn, porntube, xhamster ... they even encourage people to upload, no questions asked, no licences, zero, nada, anyone can upload the
latest commercial movie and get away with that, in the worst scenario it will removed some time later and to hell with copyright, same same as youtube or flickr or pinterest, no difference really.

i'm certainly not a fan of pornography, i would like to see people doing more real sex rather than wanking in front of a monitor, but in the past i had the opportunity to meet some porn photographers and it's indeed a hard job, it's simply crazy that nowadays it's all going down the drain because
of a few nerds with pocket cameras and mobile phones.

sharpshot · « **Reply #22 on:** July 09, 2012, 16:37 »

I don't get that if nobody is paying for images for their blogs, why do we sell so many blog sized images? Doesn't make any sense to me. I sometimes get PM's from buyers that have used my photos in their blogs. I wish we could make higher commissions but that's the way it is. The BBC used to pay nothing for their regional website photos. Before microstock, they used to ask me if they could use my photos on their site for free. Then they started using istock and I think they now use Thinkstock. It's not great, they don't spend much but it's an improvement on zero.

I'm sure there's lots of websites and blogs that could pay much more for their images but how is that going to happen? I'm more interested in ideas to change things for the better that might work than continually making things look even worse than they are.

antistock · « **Reply #23 on:** July 09, 2012, 20:59 »

Quote from: sharpshot on July 09, 2012, 16:37

I don't get that if nobody is paying for images for their blogs, why do we sell so many blog sized images? Doesn't make any sense to me. I sometimes get PM's from buyers that have used my photos in their blogs. I wish we could make higher commissions but that's the way it is. The BBC used to pay nothing for their regional website photos. Before microstock, they used to ask me if they could use my photos on their site for free. Then they started using istock and I think they now use Thinkstock. It's not great, they don't spend much but it's an improvement on zero.

I'm sure there's lots of websites and blogs that could pay much more for their images but how is that going to happen? I'm more interested in ideas to change things for the better that might work than continually making things look even worse than they are.

imagine that one day printed news and books disappear for real and everything is done online.
100% of the news sites, 100% of the e-books, 100% of the mobile Apps, 100% of the blogs, and also forums and reviews sites, all using web sizes images and paying nothing or 0.5$ for picture

this is for real, it can be just 2-3 yrs from now.
they get free or almost free images, and what WE get back ?

at least sites like BBC or NYT pay for their images.
what about blogs ? i'm so * sick of looking at blog articles with tens of thousands of pageviews and 1000s of comments using stolen images and pirated videos to illustrate their sh-it articles, if we can even call that cr-ap "articles" as it's usually a rant of few lines with photos and videos for which they don't pay a dime.

maybe i'm a neo-Luddist but i can't see any progress in killing journalism to replace it with bloggers and crowdsourcing where the only ones getting paid are the webmasters and fu-c-k all for anyone else.

sharpshot · « **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:00 »

There's also a lot of bloggers paying for photos. If there's no watermark, it's impossible for us to tell if the blogger has paid for an image license. I do get a few PM messages from people buying my photos and using them on their blogs.

The size doesn't really matter with subs but there might be a problem if people only buy blog size with pay per download. Will be interesting to see what's going to happen as screen resolution goes up. Will blog size still be OK or will people start buying bigger sizes?