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Agency Based Discussion => iStockPhoto.com => Topic started by: enstoker on February 13, 2013, 04:31
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What is this 216.2 ???
Maybe will be better if we also know 2011 or 2012 numbers.
My photo friends (exclusives) have ALL big selling drops.
About non exclusives I really do not want to talk - last weak almost nothing nada zero.
And still 34.7 ?
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As far as I can work out the smaller number is for non exclusives, the higher for exclusives.
So the equivalent to the big number would be adding up all the sites you contribute to as an indie.
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According to the poll indies are about $20% up on exclusives.
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I dont see an option to submit istock exclusive poll results on the poll page. ???
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Does/should that include GI sales?
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As far as I can work out the smaller number is for non exclusives, the higher for exclusives.
So the equivalent to the big number would be adding up all the sites you contribute to as an indie.
exactly
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I dont see an option to submit istock exclusive poll results on the poll page. ???
If you only fill in data for iStock the poll will assume you are exclusive.
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Does/should that include GI sales?
IMO it should, because that's money I only have access to because of being iS exclusive.
However by the time it comes round (week 3 in the month for the previous month) I've lost the link to the poll.
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It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)
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It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)
That's what I was saying, to get the indie income you need to add the 34.7 for IS+ 87.5 for SS etc.
So indie comes out just above exclusive
ETA ooops, gotta stop posting without reading properly, ignore the first part of this post. I'll leave it there so as not to mask my illiteracy :D Yes, it does imply IS earnings are that much higher, but bear in mind that you have to meet certain criteria to go exclusive, which will skew stuff e.g. 250 downloads, a minimum 50% approval rating
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@ Tyler
I hate to ask you to do anything extra, as you already do so much, but I imagine this query about the exclusive number will just repeat over and over ad infinitum as new people see the list -unless you nip it in the bud.
Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?
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It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)
This will change good time to be watching. your right.
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@ Tyler
I hate to ask you to do anything extra, as you already do so much, but I imagine this query about the exclusive number will just repeat over and over ad infinitum as new people see the list -unless you nip it in the bud.
Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?
Problem is that all the indies will have different sites on their list, with different portfolio sizes on each.
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@ Tyler
Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?
Really good idea, it will be a hot topic this year.
Why isn't Alamy on the indy list, they must be middle to lower tier surely?
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@ Tyler
I hate to ask you to do anything extra, as you already do so much, but I imagine this query about the exclusive number will just repeat over and over ad infinitum as new people see the list -unless you nip it in the bud.
Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?
Problem is that all the indies will have different sites on their list, with different portfolio sizes on each.
You can never have a direct comparison.
Different sizes of ports.
Different number of sites.
Hours spent indie vs excl.
Content of port (lots of high demand images vs lots of niche, lower demand images)
Medium/media (e.g. can't really compare a predominantly vector port with a predominantly photo port)
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Problem is that all the indies will have different sites on their list, with different portfolio sizes on each.
Yes, true. It wouldn't enable us to see how the figures are made up exactly - but I thought at least it would give a comparison of how things stack up overall, while preventing further misunderstanding about that big, lone figure.
Edited for clarity.
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Problem is that all the indies will have different sites on their list, with different portfolio sizes on each.
So what? The "different portfolio sizes" is already part of the agency earnings rating.
You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.
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You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.
Or just total up the Agency figures showing up on the left (including iStock indy) and put a category at the top 'Agencies combined' with it's earning rating - treat the total like a separate Agency. Simples :-)
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Yes. That's what I meant Matt. I've only just realised that I might have been misunderstood. Thanks for your clarity there. :)
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Maybe include Decembers GI sales in the poll for January since we recieve it Jan? I know thats a bit skewed but it makes sense to include GI sales since it can be significant portion of income even if it is quite irregular.
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It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)
I've never done it. Never really knew what the poll was about, actually...
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Maybe include Decembers GI sales in the poll for January since we recieve it Jan? I know thats a bit skewed but it makes sense to include GI sales since it can be significant portion of income even if it is quite irregular.
yeah that's what I do. Any money I get in January (no matter when the sale actually happened or which partner program it came from) I consider January income.
You can always get to the poll with the link at the top. Polls > Submit Vote
@Sean.. well now that you're 'free' you may find the polls a little more useful than you used to.
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You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.
Or just total up the Agency figures showing up on the left (including iStock indy) and put a category at the top 'Agencies combined' with it's earning rating - treat the total like a separate Agency. Simples :-)
Yeah, that seems like a good solution.
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Great.
Thanks so much Tyler. :)
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You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.
Or just total up the Agency figures showing up on the left (including iStock indy) and put a category at the top 'Agencies combined' with it's earning rating - treat the total like a separate Agency. Simples :-)
Yeah, that seems like a good solution.
Cool, thanks Tyler.
Sorry don't mean to hassle you but is it worth adding Alamy to the Polls and Agency list? They might make a statistical difference over time.
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Leaf, to be sure I'm understand the meaning of the exclusive number (currently 222.1), it is still in a score of 100 = $500 a month?
This means that the score 222.1 = 500 x 2.221 = $1,110.50 reported average income for an exclusive Istocker?
If so then the reported combined non-exclusive total (all the poll results with a number total excluding the exclusive Istock number) is 259.4 which = 500 x 2.594 = $1,297 reported average income for an independent?
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It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)
I've never done it. Never really knew what the poll was about, actually...
LOL! So now I can sit here working out how much more I would have made if I'd been exclusive for the last eight years! Lovely.
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It seems to suggest that if you are exclusive, your iStock income is seven times higher than it would be if you were independent. That's a pretty impressive set of handcuffs (but is Sean in there, skewing the figures?)
I've never done it. Never really knew what the poll was about, actually...
LOL! So now I can sit here working out how much more I would have made if I'd been exclusive for the last eight years! Lovely.
If you consider that the poll doesn't allow more than detail than 2500+, you can surely assume that Sean would have clicked that button for the last few years.
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You could still add up the individual poll result for each contributor and get a rating for the overall income. Would still help put things in perspective about indie total vs exclusive ratings.
Or just total up the Agency figures showing up on the left (including iStock indy) and put a category at the top 'Agencies combined' with it's earning rating - treat the total like a separate Agency. Simples :-)
Yeah, that seems like a good solution.
Total using only the Top Tier Big 4? Or the Top and Middle tiers? I'm not sure I would do the whole list as I doubt many people submit to every agency. The Agency Combined needs to be somewhat representative of the market (albeit, the S&P and NASDAQ use different criteria for the stocks they select).
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@ Tyler
Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?
Really good idea, it will be a hot topic this year.
Why isn't Alamy on the indy list, they must be middle to lower tier surely?
Is Alamy microstock?
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Leaf, to be sure I'm understand the meaning of the exclusive number (currently 222.1), it is still in a score of 100 = $500 a month?
This means that the score 222.1 = 500 x 2.221 = $1,110.50 reported average income for an exclusive Istocker?
If so then the reported combined non-exclusive total (all the poll results with a number total excluding the exclusive Istock number) is 259.4 which = 500 x 2.594 = $1,297 reported average income for an independent?
correct.
It is a very broad average though. The top limit of $2500 probably limits a lot of people, both on Shutterstock and for iStock exclusives (perhaps Fotolia as well for some). Right now it looks like independents are earning a bit more, but in terms of how accurate the poll results are, they are essentially identical. The poll is just meant to give a rough guide as to how the agencies stack up against each other. The yearly microstock survey will give a better idea of how exclusive/non-exclusive compare.
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@ Tyler
Is it possible to have an 'Indie Total' number added for an immediate comparision?
Really good idea, it will be a hot topic this year.
Why isn't Alamy on the indy list, they must be middle to lower tier surely?
Is Alamy microstock?
Similar prices as Vetta, E+ and Agency at iStock.