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Title: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 15, 2008, 11:47
This does it. The 100% rejection streak continues and I have just got an "Overabundant photo category" for a 25 shot stitched panorama of the northern Malta as seen from Mdina battlements.  A search revealed only one panorama from Velletta, and that was uploaded by me... The other 33 files show one-frame views from various loactions on Malta.

Here is the image in questuon, awaiting validation at iStock:
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6410519/2/istockphoto_6410519-detailed-panorama-of-malta.jpg)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on June 15, 2008, 11:59
If you read carefuly......

Quote

    * Photos must be in JPEG format.
    * Photo resolution must be greater than or equal to 2400 x 1600 (4 Million pixels).
    * Upload images with normal proportions.
    * Files must be less than 30 Megabytes.


They do not accept panoramas.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 15, 2008, 12:00
Then what is this:

http://us.fotolia.com/id/7615447

and this

http://us.fotolia.com/id/7915011

and a quarter of the images returned by this search:

http://us.fotolia.com/search?k=panorama&order=relevance&search.x=0&search.y=0

:(
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on June 15, 2008, 12:03
Then what is this:

[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/7615447[/url]

:/


Why do you ask me? I told you what are the rules. You can call that "reviewer's mistake" if you like....
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Calamity_John on June 15, 2008, 12:10
I got so fed up with the combination of my landscape images and Fotolia that about a month ago I decided to send them only landscapes that had "run the gauntlet" and been approved at IS, SS, DT, BS, 123, and StockXpert .. I sent them 9 images that were 100% approved through those other six agencies and some others .. and Fotolia rejected all 9 (I should add they were not all in one batch).

Their actions (at least toward my images) speak quite loudly on this issue ..

so in the least you are not alone.

take care,

John
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on June 15, 2008, 12:13
Lets be real: even if accepted, chances are great that it would never sell. So what's the point? Landscapes are not good sellers, well known fact. Unleas they are extraodrinary. (in that case they would be accepted for sure). Stock is not about art, stock is about comercial use.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: rjmiz on June 15, 2008, 12:16
Oh man, I think your gonna catch hell for that statement!

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on June 15, 2008, 12:17
This does it. The 100% rejection streak continues and I have just got an "Overabundant photo category" for a 25 shot stitched panorama of the northern Malta as seen from Mdina battlements.  A search revealed only one panorama from Velletta, and that was uploaded by me... The other 33 files show one-frame views from various loactions on Malta.

Here is the image in questuon, awaiting validation at iStock:
([url]http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6410519/2/istockphoto_6410519-detailed-panorama-of-malta.jpg[/url])


That's a pretty specialized type of image, a great image, but specialized because of it's proportions. Why not try Panoramic Images for, yes, your panoramas. You can deduce that that is what they specialize in.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on June 15, 2008, 12:22
One more point, that is really difficult for people new to stock to accept and that is the amount of money an image will make has nothing to do with the amount of time you spend working on it. For every image I risked my life shooting and made nearly nothing on I'll show you a dozen I banged off while eating lunch that keep on selling.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 15, 2008, 12:24
rjmiz, your sarcasm is appreciated, but there are times, when you simply have to resort to irony. :)

Oh, and you missed one more option - give up Fotolia as bad job...

Peter, one of my panoramas sold at iStock within a month of being uploaded, many of the panoramas, which come up on Fotolia search sold over 15 times.

EDIT: Thanks, Zeus, I'll look into "Panoramic Images"
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: litifeta on June 15, 2008, 16:09
They are getting tough with rejections. Most my stuff now gets rejected as well, and it sells well other spots.

Maybe they have enough images on line and now want something specific.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: takestock on June 15, 2008, 17:17
Yeah! tough on rejections for me recently also.
I suppose as the pool of contributors and images gets bigger they can afford to be fussy!

But - rejections for us are never nice.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: madelaide on June 15, 2008, 17:38
If the panorama proportion is the reason why the image was rejected, this should have been the explanation (even if they have other panoramas).  As the rejection was for "overabundant photo category", Nemo's complaint is valid. 

A reviewer should give the proper reason for rejection.  That would reduce the number of complaints a site receives.  We all have seen cases of inappropriate rejection reason (even if the image should be really rejected).

Why not try Panoramic Images for, yes, your panoramas. You can deduce that that is what they specialize in.

But do they sell anything?  I don't know if this is the site I saw once, but didn't look very successful.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: dullegg on June 15, 2008, 17:56
well, let's play devil's advocate ...ya, i am related to satan the mass rejection reviewers  ;D ;D ;D

if panoramic is really the reason, and there are so few panoramic shots with FT, then maybe the panoramic shot is that of the reviewer, or reviewer's best friend  ;D ;D ;D
or they want no other to fill that niche.

if it's not for due to it being panoramic, then maybe it's the quality or composition, or lack of composition, or maybe the contrast,etc...
if so, then the reviewer should have been more specific with the reason of rejection.

but then again, there is a certain handful of stinky reviewers who cannot
write anything constructive to save their own life  ;D ;D ;D
maybe they're truly illiterate, so they push that disposition code key. ::) ::) ::)

i suggest to roll with the punches, and not pay too much attention
to this site, and try other sites.
if you get rejected elsewhere, then maybe you get the real message.

meanwhile, lighten up, chill, and enjoy MIZ lighthearted cynicism,
there is a silver lining to that dark cloud that MIZ sends to people
complaining here.
don't take it all so seriously. after all, it's not like we're all making
a gracious living with stock photography  ::)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Void on June 15, 2008, 20:36
fotolia DOES take panoramas
fotolia is rejecting EVERYTHING
but who cares they are just one of many places to sell your work.
Bitch about the rejections, but NEVER take them personal
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: chellyar on June 16, 2008, 03:49
Bitch about the rejections, but NEVER take them personal

Don't mess with our god-given right to whine and moan in online forums about things we have little control over, it's one of the constants of online business and communities.  It's what some of us live for! :-)

Oh, and 'Me too' I'm getting a high rejection rate with FT, Although a few new ones got in this month, breaking my loosing streak that started in mid may when I started uploading again...
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: mollypix on June 16, 2008, 04:50
Fotolia should not forget the old problem of getting microstock sites up and running. Uploads to site v Downloads and income from the site...to generate income you need uploads.

They have certainly slowed down...I don't believe there is any ceiling for the number of images. If you discourage uploading you are effectively cutting off your supply. Cut off the supply, no matter how many images you have, means to cut off your future income.

I do agree with culling non selling images...18mths and no sales...in the bin...but to have a carte blanche attitude to many types of images is suicide...

May to debate continue...

Cheers

Mollypix

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 16, 2008, 06:29
I already feel much better after reading all the replies here :)

I lookad at Panoramic Images. They seem to be a Macro site, still mainly mention film in their submittion info and seem to be pretty lucrative. I only evere done 6 panoramas in my protographic career, stitching them from multiple exposures.

In Panoramic Images submittion guide they instruct to select not more than 50 of your best images and have many high level quality, technical and presentation demands.

I think I'll stick to distributing my panoramas through IS and DT.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: anonymous on June 16, 2008, 12:07
Fotolia should not forget the old problem of getting microstock sites up and running. Uploads to site v Downloads and income from the site...to generate income you need uploads.

They have certainly slowed down...I don't believe there is any ceiling for the number of images. If you discourage uploading you are effectively cutting off your supply. Cut off the supply, no matter how many images you have, means to cut off your future income.

I do agree with culling non selling images...18mths and no sales...in the bin...but to have a carte blanche attitude to many types of images is suicide...

May to debate continue...

Cheers

Mollypix


Ahhh....but Molly, you're using "logic" and "good business sense"....something that FT has chosen NOT to use. In order to understand, you must wrap your head around the concepts of "illogic", ostrisizing", and good old fashioned "schizophrenia".
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: cascoly on June 16, 2008, 13:36
I already feel much better after reading all the replies here :)

I lookad at Panoramic Images. They seem to be a Macro site, still mainly mention film in their submittion info and seem to be pretty lucrative. I only evere done 6 panoramas in my protographic career, stitching them from multiple exposures.

In Panoramic Images submittion guide they instruct to select not more than 50 of your best images and have many high level quality, technical and presentation demands.

I think I'll stick to distributing my panoramas through IS and DT.

if you stay at FT, keep trying the panoramas -- i have the same exp as others -- FT now rejects 95% where it used to be about 50% - even s other agencies stay the same

and i have a number of panoramas at FT -- some sites do require a minimum of 800 or 1000 on the narrow side, so a 6000 x 750 woud get rejected

s
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: mollypix on June 16, 2008, 15:37

Ahhh....but Molly, you're using "logic" and "good business sense"....something that FT has chosen NOT to use. In order to understand, you must wrap your head around the concepts of "illogic", ostrisizing", and good old fashioned "schizophrenia".
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Well that puts me right out .... best pack my bags and go... :)

Cheers

Mollypix

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: anonymous on June 16, 2008, 17:17

Ahhh....but Molly, you're using "logic" and "good business sense"....something that FT has chosen NOT to use. In order to understand, you must wrap your head around the concepts of "illogic", ostrisizing", and good old fashioned "schizophrenia".

Well that puts me right out .... best pack my bags and go... :)

Cheers

Mollypix


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The truly sad part is, there was a time when FT was one of the coolest micros out there. All of the images they now shoot down for "type of photograph...or whatever they call it" (for me anyway), are images from the same shoots that sell very well. This is why i don't jump ship as they generate about 10% of my monthly revenue. That said, they lambast everything I send them now. I hope they don't go under but they're setting the stage for a very methodical disappearing act from the bizzness (aka LO).
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: tan510jomast on June 16, 2008, 17:35
wow, panoramic...
this is pretty much a niche market.

as i understand from the discussion somewhere else on this forum, microstock is more or less generic. anything unusual or not general should be sent to macrostock or a site with non RF license.

maybe you should check out the other thread re: RF vs RM .
 8)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: mollypix on June 17, 2008, 04:09
anonomous

Not about to leave Fotolia but they have slipped in - my time v site rating...
(ie I have x amount of time and 9 sites) Fotolia dropped to fourth on the list, and I'll be regulating that as well.

Still they make 13% of my microstock income.

What I don't like loosing is my market share...

Cheers

Mollypix
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: jeffclow on June 17, 2008, 07:10
Interesting reading - and helpful to know that others are wondering why rejections are up so sharply on Fotolia.

My acceptance rate has plummeted to about 20% after being at 70% for over a year - so there is definitely something different about their reviewers in the last few months.

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: maunger on June 17, 2008, 07:54
That's a pretty specialized type of image, a great image, but specialized because of it's proportions. Why not try Panoramic Images for, yes, your panoramas. You can deduce that that is what they specialize in.

Banners are indeed a great use for panoramas... and banners are all over the web
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: graficallyminded on June 29, 2008, 08:58
The fotolia rejections are definitely getting out of hand.  I've had close to 80%-90% rejected in the last few weeks.  Categorizing and re-ordering keywords on Fotolia is cumbersome enough - but what is going to motivate me to spend the most time on a site where everything gets rejected?  I don't get it.  Rejections were never this bad. 

Are we going to hear anything from Fotolia about what's going on lately?  Is there anything on their blog?  Did they up their standards or something?  I am personally considering not uploading anything new to them for a while - that's about 75-100 fresh images a week that are being approved and selling well on other micros.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on June 29, 2008, 10:29
The fotolia rejections are definitely getting out of hand.  I've had close to 80%-90% rejected in the last few weeks.  Categorizing and re-ordering keywords on Fotolia is cumbersome enough - but what is going to motivate me to spend the most time on a site where everything gets rejected?  I don't get it.  Rejections were never this bad. 

Are we going to hear anything from Fotolia about what's going on lately?  Is there anything on their blog?  Did they up their standards or something?  I am personally considering not uploading anything new to them for a while - that's about 75-100 fresh images a week that are being approved and selling well on other micros.

can we see some of your rejections, before make colective conclusions?
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Stu99 on June 29, 2008, 13:08
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Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: fotoKmyst on June 29, 2008, 14:07
my only guess would be ---
from seeing the 3 shots (thanks! for showing us)...

OVER- saturation. or as they say, over-processing.

good shots though! 8)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on June 29, 2008, 14:42
Stu99, if those are simmilar to already aproved, than why complaining? Their policy is not to accept simmilar. You can always avoid it by clever uploading few days after...
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Stu99 on June 29, 2008, 15:15
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Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: rjmiz on June 29, 2008, 16:46
http://microstockpix.com/supplies/page9/page9.html (http://microstockpix.com/supplies/page9/page9.html)

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: alpy7 on June 29, 2008, 22:32
Haven't had a problem. 8 of 8 accepted on last try. 38 of 38 on try before that. Each attempt with the same subject.  If you do not like the rejections try contacting support for an answer.  If you don't like the answers you can always leave the site and go to another. This did give me an idea for some subjects. Boots and towels.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: kweenc on June 29, 2008, 23:24
me too... rejections rejections... why? hmmmm
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: graficallyminded on June 30, 2008, 13:21
I really like Fotolia, and do a lot of sales with them on a regular basis.  I've been with them for almost 3 years now.  I just wish approvals were back the way they used to be.  If anything, my work has gotten better than before.  Back in the day I got more approvals from my old point and shoot :)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: fotografer on June 30, 2008, 14:21
I'm finding the same as you.  They take almost anything that I send. I've had 5 refusals in the last 100. 
The only one that I have problems with  is IStock they refuse about 1 in every 5.

Haven't had a problem. 8 of 8 accepted on last try. 38 of 38 on try before that. Each attempt with the same subject.  If you do not like the rejections try contacting support for an answer.  If you don't like the answers you can always leave the site and go to another. This did give me an idea for some subjects. Boots and towels.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: epantha on June 30, 2008, 14:26
Quote
me too... rejections rejections... why? hmmmm

Do you think it could be the subject matter, rather than the quality of the photos?
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: takestock on July 08, 2008, 07:50
Gawd! - so many rejections.

If it continues like this it will be off putting for uploading any more  :-\
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: MikLav on July 08, 2008, 08:11
I agree that Fotolia rejections went crazy and ridiculously unreasonable. In the past I found their rejections completely random, but they were seldom. Now they reject more than half. Anyway, I don't care too much because they are among my worst sellers (although it is still annoying that I waste my time for uploading/categorizing).
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vphoto on July 08, 2008, 08:25
today: from 9 images: 6 accepted, 2 rejected as SIMILAR, 1 1 rejected as TYPE of ...

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vonkara on July 08, 2008, 09:55
StockXpert just pass in front of Fotolia on the earning rating poll. Good news because I really like StockXpert
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: tan510jomast on July 08, 2008, 10:01
StockXpert just pass in front of Fotolia on the earning rating poll. Good news because I really like StockXpert

Yes, I have to agree with you Vonkara. StockXpert is my best seller, along with BigStock. even though i don't have too many images on both StockXpert and BigStock.
As a newbie contributor, that is truly encouraging. As for Fotolia,
who has the most and was my first site, zilch!
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: rene on July 08, 2008, 10:59
Funny how fast it can change in microstock. Few months ago Fotolia accepted almost everything and I had the worst acceptance rate at StockXpert (50- 60%). For 2-3 month StockXpert accept all my images (100%) and Fotolia only  about 30%. It's a good think, I like StockXpert and I don't like FT. Maybe with less images and many unhappy users Fotolia will be in trouble.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vphoto on July 08, 2008, 11:24
FT parsimonious approach irks me too. StockXpert's rates are much better.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: ChasingMoments on July 08, 2008, 12:58
Parsimonious is a mild word.

I contacted FT several times following up on their rejections. NOT ONCE did I get a reply that was anything but "FT reviewers follow standards... blah blah blah... due to high volume can't address your individual request". That's just bad taste. 

In my book, FT is really starting to get a bad rep.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on July 08, 2008, 14:47
This weeks batch 49/70 (70%) accepted.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: anonymous on July 08, 2008, 15:27
in an attempt to see if their rejections had anything to do with mass uploading, I submitted 1 image a day for 30 days. Results: 2 out of 30 accepted. Prior to the rejection flurry, my acceptance was 92%. I am now going to upload 1 image a month until they come back around or go under...way too much effort for that ratio.
On a positive note, June was my BME with them regarding sales. The irony is that 75% of the photos shot down over the last 30 days are from the same shoots that are selling very well there. Crack babies at the reviewer helm I guess...just don't get it.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Roadrunner on July 09, 2008, 13:45
Could be they just don't want any more images.  I gave up trying to upload to FT two months agao.  May be I'll try small uploads once every three months till they get real reviewers.  Who knows.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vphoto on July 09, 2008, 13:49
it seems that they reject at least half of the images submitted.

8864102     07-09-2008 08:09 pm     Fotolia - Photograph selected     New Message     
8864101    07-09-2008 08:09 pm    Fotolia - Photograph Declined - Similar Photograph    New Message    
8864100    07-09-2008 08:09 pm    Fotolia - Photograph selected    New Message    
8864099    07-09-2008 08:09 pm    Fotolia - Photograph Declined - Type of photograph    New Message    
8863818    07-09-2008 07:48 pm    Fotolia - Photograph Declined - Type of photograph    New Message    
8863817    07-09-2008 07:48 pm    Fotolia - Photograph Declined - Type of photograph    New Message    
8863814    07-09-2008 07:48 pm    Fotolia - Photograph selected    New Message    
8857996    07-09-2008 04:46 pm    Fotolia - Photograph Declined - Similar Photograph    New Message    
8857992    07-09-2008 04:46 pm    Fotolia - Photograph selected    New Message    
8857852    07-09-2008 04:44 pm    Fotolia - Photograph selected    New Message    
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: MicrostockExp on July 09, 2008, 14:45
I submit one or two first  if they get accepted I take my chance but I was not lucky this week  >:(
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: graficallyminded on July 10, 2008, 20:31
That's what I've been doing in the past month.  When I see that there's improvement, I'll begin pushing the images through.  I am probably up to around 200-250 by now, sitting and waiting for me to categorize and submit them. 

Has anyone seen any improvement in reviewing lately?
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Fred on July 10, 2008, 23:24
Well I certainly haven't seen any improvement - 20% accepted on my last batch of 10.

Anyone else notice increasing review times?  They were one of the fastest to review my stuff until recently.  Now I wait 4 or 5 days to get the rejections.

c h e e r s
fred
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Roadrunner on July 11, 2008, 10:35
I was just wondering if Fotolia is somehow taking the photographer's ranking into considering how many images to allow to get through (Acceptance/Rejection).  In other words - if a photog has a ranking of say 3000 or lower  ???,  the photographer will get 80% or more rejected. ::)
Someone who has a ranking of 2000 or higher will perhaps get 80% or more accepted.

Just wondering?
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vphoto on July 11, 2008, 10:41
No. my rank is very low and at least 50%-%70 are accepted.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Lizard on July 11, 2008, 10:42
I was just wondering if Fotolia is somehow taking the photographer's ranking into considering how many images to allow to get through (Acceptance/Rejection).  In other words - if a photog has a ranking of say 3000 or lower  ???,  the photographer will get 80% or more rejected. ::)
Someone who has a ranking of 2000 or higher will perhaps get 80% or more accepted.

Just wondering?

Nop , doesnt work that way , at least in my case , but I havent uploaded nothin for long , maybe something has changed.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on July 11, 2008, 10:57
I was just wondering if Fotolia is somehow taking the photographer's ranking into considering how many images to allow to get through (Acceptance/Rejection).  In other words - if a photog has a ranking of say 3000 or lower  ???,  the photographer will get 80% or more rejected. ::)
Someone who has a ranking of 2000 or higher will perhaps get 80% or more accepted.

Just wondering?

Dont think ranking has anything to do with aproval ratio. If I make 100 crappy images, they will reject them, If they are good, they will aprove them. Show us some of your rejections, and we will tell you is it about image, or ranking issue....
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Roadrunner on July 11, 2008, 11:03
Peter - All you have to do is look at my images on DT - I submit the sme images to both sites, but nothing seems to be good enough for FT anymore.  BTW - The last batch I sent to SS had 75% accepted, but FT Rejected 90%?  Gues FT has the only professional reviewers.

It really isn't a problem since I'm doing ok on four other sites.  Of course I'm not as good as you - so that would account for my having a tougher time.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vphoto on July 11, 2008, 11:13
I wonder ... there was Chode from Bosnia having thousands of images on FT, he disappeared and now it is Peter also from Bosnia ...

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: CofkoCof on July 11, 2008, 11:26
I wonder ... there was Chode from Bosnia having thousands of images on FT, he disappeared and now it is Peter also from Bosnia ...


I think chode is now dinostock (on fotolia), just like his web site. Don't know if hes the Peter on msg :D
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on July 11, 2008, 11:31
Yeah, I changed my profile name a little bit. :)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: graficallyminded on July 11, 2008, 12:36
Yeah, same here.  The same images FT rejects are passing the test on SS, BigStock, StockXpert, DT and many more.  I hope they're aware of this.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Renee on July 11, 2008, 13:00
I stopped uploading there about 6 months ago, tried once again to see if the Attila was gone but alas was still there, I sent them an email but they don't care about loosing artists. There vectors take extra work and they are the only site that wants svgs and they reject 60% of my work that is accepted 100% on other sites. I will leave Fotolia to the hungry people, I prefer to submit to sites that at least listen to feedback. At the beginning of F2 they accepted everything, so I decided to upload my port and half way through uploading they hired Attila and that ended that. They remind me of Istock YUCK!
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Anegada on July 11, 2008, 15:31
I try not to get mad about all these rejections (SS takes 95% of my stuff, while the same images get rejected to 95% at fotolia...) I would not even bother with that company any more - but unfortunately, they sell my stuff quite well. With only 450  images (due to all that rejections) and being there just for 3 months or so, I make about 100 - 200$ every month. To much to give it up. But I keep on thinking, what I could earn there with the 1000 oder 1500 images that I have online at other sites.... >:(

I better just don't even think about it....
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: anonymous on July 11, 2008, 15:43
hopefully they'll come around (especially with the new subscription setup) when they realize they're buyers will switch to sites with new fresh images...or they'll die : )
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 15, 2008, 05:03
I have recently decided to give FL a second chance and uploaded the remainder of my portfolio there. 178 files were uploaded. They had between 50% and 75% approval ratio at IS, DT, 123RF and CanStockPhoto. Here is the breakdown of FL rejections:

122 - Overabundant photo category
18 - Type of photograph
17 - Quality of the photograph
10 - Technical problems
1 - Similar photograph

10 - Selected

In other words approval ratio of this relatively large and diverse sample group was only 5,61% !!!  >:( My overall current FL Approval ratio (if one can call it that) is 24,59%

My conclusion is that it is a waste of time and bandwidth to upload to FL.

EDIT: Added 2 newly-rejected files to the calculation  :-\
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Fred on July 15, 2008, 06:01
Well, my rejection rate at FT has soared over the last few months also but I look at this a different way.  What I am interested in is sell through rate - i.e. what percentage of my images get sold once they are approved.  In this category FT is my number 2 agency trailing only SS.

I have found that the agencies that sell my stuff the best are the ones that reject the most and to me that is the bottom line.

fred
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: takestock on July 15, 2008, 06:04
Nemo, that is enough to put off even the most hardened Microstocker.
I dont know what the game is, but it's not nice.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: takestock on July 15, 2008, 06:22
Fred - I do see your point and it's valid, but mass rejections can really dampen the spirit.
One has to question why this big turn around at FT, when before quite a lot of images were accepted.

In the long run and even short run, I think it will shy off new contributors.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 15, 2008, 06:54
A substantial amount of files that have sold at IS and DT have been rejected by FL. For me, FL's sell ratio is the same as for CanStockPhoto - almost non-existent. IS and DT give the best return on ulpoad time. :)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: marcopolo on July 17, 2008, 18:41
I have been submitting a variety of different images to them lately, including illustrations, isolated objects, food, and landscapes. They are accepting just about everything except my landscapes. I think the reviewers were told to reject all landscapes or something. And before someone tells me my landscapes are crap here is my website where you can see for yourself-
www.rasmussenimages.com (http://www.rasmussenimages.com)
 I don't really care that much anyway because there are better places to sell landscapes than the micros. Fotolia just rejected a few of my leftovers from before I started selling my landscapes as rights managed at places like Alamy.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: jsnover on July 17, 2008, 18:50
Well, my rejection rate at FT has soared over the last few months also but I look at this a different way.  What I am interested in is sell through rate - i.e. what percentage of my images get sold once they are approved.  In this category FT is my number 2 agency trailing only SS.

I have found that the agencies that sell my stuff the best are the ones that reject the most and to me that is the bottom line.

I think your mistake is in assuming that these two things - high rejection rate and high sales - are in any way related.

If you had asked me 2, 4, 8 or 12 months ago, I'd have told you that Fotolia was a doing really well - regularly one of the top 3 earners and sometimes challenging the two big dogs for the #1 spot.

In the last month, some folks have reported stellar sales at FT and I've seen the bottom drop out of sales there. They've changed something in the default search and as is typically the case, there are winners and losers.

Be happy your sales are great, but don't assume that it'll stay that way. Next spin of the wheel when they tweak the search engine and your sales might drop.

I don't know how long you've been selling through the micros or how many sites you sell through, but about the only constant is change (and SS being in the top 3 earners).
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Fred on July 17, 2008, 23:59
Well, my rejection rate at FT has soared over the last few months also but I look at this a different way.  What I am interested in is sell through rate - i.e. what percentage of my images get sold once they are approved.  In this category FT is my number 2 agency trailing only SS.

I have found that the agencies that sell my stuff the best are the ones that reject the most and to me that is the bottom line.

I think your mistake is in assuming that these two things - high rejection rate and high sales - are in any way related.

If you had asked me 2, 4, 8 or 12 months ago, I'd have told you that Fotolia was a doing really well - regularly one of the top 3 earners and sometimes challenging the two big dogs for the #1 spot.

In the last month, some folks have reported stellar sales at FT and I've seen the bottom drop out of sales there. They've changed something in the default search and as is typically the case, there are winners and losers.

Be happy your sales are great, but don't assume that it'll stay that way. Next spin of the wheel when they tweak the search engine and your sales might drop.

I don't know how long you've been selling through the micros or how many sites you sell through, but about the only constant is change (and SS being in the top 3 earners).

Guilty as charged! I should have explained that this was a general observation that seemed to be a logical fit.  However, it is the result of the analysis of far to small a sample to be have any great validity.

I have been submitting to MS for about 18 months but still only have portfolios averaging about 125 images on 5 sites so no great depth of specialized experience with the trade.

That said though, it would seem to me that the only way to really judge the quality of reviewers is the submitters' sell through rates.  SS seems to be the best performer here from most of the numbers I have seen for this stat.  I think that can be partly explained by the quality of their reviewers but the fact that it is a subscription only site probably also has great significance. 

Would be interested in hearing of others experience regarding reviewer quality vis-a-vis sell through rate.  Results from a larger sample might be revealing.

c h e e r s
fred
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: tdoes on July 18, 2008, 08:24
What's consistent about Fotolias revue process is the inconsistancy of the results!   :)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: graficallyminded on July 18, 2008, 08:29
Some days on Fotolia you can actullay get 50% to 75% approved, I guess it all depends on which reviewers are working at the moment.  It's the same thing at Shutterstock - a lot of days I get 75% rejected.  I submit at least 20 new images every weekday, and that gets to be a lot of work submitting on Fotolia with the cumbersome upload process (categories aren't bad, but the reordering of the keywords in a P.I.T.A.)

Thanks Nemo for your breakdown - hang in there man.  You're not alone in the frustration.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: lisafx on July 18, 2008, 09:31
What's consistent about Fotolias revue process is the inconsistancy of the results!   :)

This sums up my experience too.  Well put!
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on July 18, 2008, 11:05
I submit at least 20 new images every weekday, and that gets to be a lot of work submitting on Fotolia with the cumbersome upload process (categories aren't bad, but the reordering of the keywords in a P.I.T.A.)


20 new images per day - you have a helluva work ethic!   8)

As part of my workflow, I make sure my most important keywords are near the front in my IPTC data.  I do this for Fotolia, and it is pretty much automatic these days.  That way I don't have to worry about re-ordering.

I also ensure my description is at least 7 words for Bigstock, though I have no clue why I bother with them lately.  Sales have fallen through the floor.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Karimala on July 18, 2008, 11:35
I stopped uploading there about 6 months ago, tried once again to see if the Attila was gone but alas was still there, I sent them an email but they don't care about loosing artists. There vectors take extra work and they are the only site that wants svgs and they reject 60% of my work that is accepted 100% on other sites. I will leave Fotolia to the hungry people, I prefer to submit to sites that at least listen to feedback. At the beginning of F2 they accepted everything, so I decided to upload my port and half way through uploading they hired Attila and that ended that. They remind me of Istock YUCK!

Me, too...I quit uploading in May.  I'm just plain tired of their overall heavy handedness with everyone and everything.  The amazing increase in rejections coupled with the arrogance shown after subscriptions were introduced was the last straw for me.  I don't pay them 63% of my earnings so I can be treated like dirt. 
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Stu99 on July 18, 2008, 12:55
As part of my workflow, I make sure my most important keywords are near the front in my IPTC data.  I do this for Fotolia, and it is pretty much automatic these days.  That way I don't have to worry about re-ordering.

This is also what I do. However, it seems ironic that we are tailoring our IPTC data to suit the site that seems to show the lowest respect to the efforts we put in creating our images. I refer to the increase in rejection rates without adequate explanation.

I am really beginning to get fed-up with the site for this reason, however, at least they are still managing to sell images, the ones that made it through before the culling began!  :-\
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on July 18, 2008, 13:17
They don't sell my images Stu, so honestly they are on thin ice with my portfolio.  Fotolia has never represented more than 10% of my earnings, and now they are below 4%.  The few sales I've had this month have either been sub or XS it seems.  123RF is kicking their teeth in this month.

Shutterstock has tough reviews, but they actually deliver with earnings. 
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: rjmiz on July 18, 2008, 15:44
I think I need to apologize to all those who are experiencing muted downloads on FT recently.

Seems like (as it appears to me) I uploaded a huge batch of "Killer Images" in the recent passing weeks.
These images seem to be * up all the downloads to my account and I don't know how to make them stop!

Please bare with me as I am aware of the problem, and I am working on a solution soon.
I might consider deleting some of my best sellers just to even out the downloads and give you guys a chance again.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vphoto on July 18, 2008, 15:51
hilarious!

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on July 18, 2008, 16:10
That's great Miz!  How are you doing at Shutterstock? 



I think I need to apologize to all those who are experiencing muted downloads on FT recently.

Seems like (as it appears to me) I uploaded a huge batch of "Killer Images" in the recent passing weeks.
These images seem to be * up all the downloads to my account and I don't know how to make them stop!

Please bare with me as I am aware of the problem, and I am working on a solution soon.
I might consider deleting some of my best sellers just to even out the downloads and give you guys a chance again.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: rjmiz on July 18, 2008, 16:21
Start another thread about SS and I will comment.
It is vulgar, and rude manners to hijack a thread. Please consider using some proper forum etiquette in the future.

Why do you always insist on changing the subject of a thread Mr. DanP68?
However, I look forward to reading your thread about your troubles, and will gladly comment when I spot it.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: anonymous on July 18, 2008, 16:34
things are actually looking up at FT...I had "1" image accepted so far this month (out of 4 and it was a piece of crap...I've virtually quit bothering). Things are turning around!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on July 18, 2008, 16:59
Start another thread about SS and I will comment.
It is vulgar, and rude manners to hijack a thread. Please consider using some proper forum etiquette in the future.

Why do you always insist on changing the subject of a thread Mr. DanP68?
However, I look forward to reading your thread about your troubles, and will gladly comment when I spot it.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason




It's a shame you are so good at making light of others, but cannot take it in return.  But I guess this is what has gotten you kicked out of microstock agencies and independent forums in the past. 
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: rjmiz on July 18, 2008, 17:44
Epixx,

......My sales have been going crazy lately, with a BME in June and a strong follow-up so far in July.  And my Earnings per Download is up to $1.11 this month.  More realistically, I am averaging $0.86 per DL for 2008.

Seriously, if this continues and the raise is as beneficial as Dreamstime thinks it will be, I will consider exclusivity with them next winter. 

So I guess it's OK for you to toot your horn, but if I do it you want to slam me to the ground, bury me in the dirt, and then spit on me.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: kgtoh on July 19, 2008, 03:20
So I guess it's OK for you to toot your horn, but if I do it you want to slam me to the ground, bury me in the dirt, and then spit on me.

Cranky MIZ
The voice of reason

Makes jokes about others, takes similar pokes at himself in stride = good sport
Makes jokes about others, borderline hysterical reaction to similar jokes aimed at him = mean spirited

Tell it like it is, take it like it is.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: graficallyminded on July 30, 2008, 07:19
Any ease up on Fotolia reviews lately?  Every so often I push 5 through, just to see what happens.  If 4 out of 5 get approved that means there's a good reviewer on duty.  If none or 1 out of 5 get approved, I stop wasting my precious time and move on to focusing my attention on another site. 

It's a shame, because I have like 400 new images from the last month and a half piling up in the cue...ready to categorize and submit. 
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: epantha on July 30, 2008, 07:47
They reject a lot of my submissions and usually I just put them up there and forget about them. Hide the deleted files so it doesn't bother me so much. They sell enough photos for me to keep uploading there.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Sophia on July 30, 2008, 07:57
Reviews have got better for me again but I'm only uploading illustrations, all photos are going elsewhere for the time being.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: CvanDijk on July 30, 2008, 09:17
For me reviews have become worse.  I'm done with Fotolia for the moment. I will upload photos straight out of Prostockmaster in the queue, no keywords checking or switching anymore, only adding a MR if necessary, nothing else. So then it's almost no work at all.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Karimala on July 30, 2008, 10:57
No improvement at all.  I thought I'd try again and uploaded 100 new images last week, all of which had been accepted elsewhere across the board, and had only 35 accepted.  I don't know why I even bothered.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: gualberto107 on July 30, 2008, 13:00
No improvement at all.  I thought I'd try again and uploaded 100 new images last week, all of which had been accepted elsewhere across the board, and had only 35 accepted.  I don't know why I even bothered.
I think this or similar is happening to a lot of us, except Peter of course. FT has become very picky and ridiculous as far as rejections go. I get 98% approval at SS which I think is tough and with the same images I get 50% or lower at FT. 
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: graficallyminded on August 01, 2008, 13:39
It's actually gotten to the point where iStock is accepting what Fotolia rejects.  How ridiculous is that?  It's easier to get images into iStock...now that's bad ;)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Phil on August 01, 2008, 18:48
I have much better acceptance at istock than ft.   I stopped at fotolia when they brought in subscriptions, I didn't like the way they treated people and when you are getting 80-90% rejections (and 90+% acceptance elsewhere) and there keywords and there categories, I felt the time vs income vs treatment wasnt worth it.

but after looking at this thread I looked at their latest 300 uploads, and there is some very average images getting through... is this just luck? or are they exclusive? or is there some other secret? :)

Phil
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: anonymous on August 02, 2008, 17:04
I've begun uploading 1 image per month...this month they accepted it, so now I'm at 100% acceptance  ;)

I would blow them off completely but I still cash out 1 - 2 times per month. In the next 6 months, they will officially have the most out-of-date stock collection online.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: fotografer on August 02, 2008, 19:28
I almost never get a rejection on fotolia.  I find that IS is by far the hardest site and in almost every batch I get a couple of overfiltered rejections although last month they didn't reject anything.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Sophia on August 03, 2008, 02:37

but after looking at this thread I looked at their latest 300 uploads, and there is some very average images getting through... is this just luck? or are they exclusive? or is there some other secret? :)

Phil

All my uploads to Fotolia are exclusive and I get lots of rejections, mostly for too similar, so I don't think being exclusive makes it any easier. Through frustration I've stopped uploading photographs for now and only send my illustrations there. Acceptance in the past few weeks of those seems to be much better.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Stu99 on August 03, 2008, 10:47
It's actually gotten to the point where iStock is accepting what Fotolia rejects.  How ridiculous is that?  It's easier to get images into iStock...now that's bad ;)

I'm finding the same thing. Just got a batch reviewed with 50% rejections, images rejected that are good enough at IS etc. I think it's time for FT and I to take a break, I've only got a small port of 700+, but its going to stay that way until I decide to start uploading again. It wouldn't be so bad if the rejections made sense! Perhaps Attila will be going off on a long over due campaign elsewhere soon. One hopes ;-)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vonkara on August 03, 2008, 11:10
Fotolia dropped in last place of the big six on the MSG earning rating poll. 123RF is in front. Dropped from 4th to 6th in 2 months
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Stu99 on August 03, 2008, 14:07
I still get a payout per month, however, I just calculated my acceptance rate has gone from 80%+ down to 40%-, and I am sure my pictures are better than before??

123RF were close behind FT this month. I had a nice $28 EL from 123RF and a $17.50 EL from FT. I like what they are doing at 123RF, they are closing the gap with some of their rivals like FT, I will be putting more effort there now.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Dreamframer on August 03, 2008, 15:02
My acceptance rate on Fotolia has dropped also, drastically... I am sure my pics are better than before..it's obvious when you look at my portfolio. For example, more than half of images from my last batch were rejected on Fotolia, but on Istock, just one image were rejected. That's great success for me on IS because my acceptance rate there was lowest comparing to other agencies where I upload and I am happy because of it. My rejections on FT are almost always "quality of the photograph" and "type of the photograph"
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Roadrunner on August 05, 2008, 10:23
Good job vphoto!  You got 5 images Accepted.  8)  I doubt if I could match that. congratulations! ;D
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: vphoto on August 05, 2008, 10:28
slightly more. total 1151. they reject nowadays 50% of my submissions.

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Fred on August 06, 2008, 00:58
Well, my acceptance rate went up slightly last month (To embarrassed to mention % amount!) but my sale doubled so I am not in a position to complain much.

c h e e r s
fred
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: melastmohican on August 06, 2008, 01:13
I was able to put whopping 8 pictures on FT last month. At the same time my toughest so far, IS, accepted 15. Month ago I was complaining about CS but they accepted 69 in July :-)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: melking on August 06, 2008, 07:54
I am getting allot of rejections too!  it sucks!
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Renee on August 06, 2008, 08:48
Its really too bad, I like fotolia, they have the list of who bought your stuff they sell my work regularly every now and then I even get an extended licence. So its sucks that they don't care that they are pissing off allot of artists. They would have 2000 more images of mine all selling well and making money.
I upload to the sites that pay some respect to their submitters. And I make them money.
Yet I still wish fotolia would get their act back together, and give better customer service to their artists.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Roadrunner on August 06, 2008, 12:26
Right on Renee! ;D
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: MicrostockExp on August 14, 2008, 08:38
Thanks for the update, I guess I will keep mine in the queue then ... >:(
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on August 17, 2008, 11:59
It is what it is.  They reject about 50% of my images.  My acceptance rate is above 90% at SS and DT over the last few months, and above 75% at IS.

I'd get upset, but since FT only manages to contribute 4-5% to my bottom line, I really don't care what they accept or reject.  Everyone has passed them for my portfolio.  123 passed them 2 months ago.  Bigstock passed them last month and is well ahead this month.  Ever since they introduced subs, my credit sales have completely tanked at FT.  I'm apparently not alone, since our poll to the right ranks them 6th out of the Big 7.

The biggest question I have to ask myself is whether or not there is a need to contribute to them in the future.  If they have the most stringent acceptance standards, but some of the lowest sales totals, then what is in it for me?
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: MicrostockExp on August 17, 2008, 12:30
Dan I was thinking the  same thing recently and looking at my numbers a year back, rejection, search engine... I think I stop uploading there
will focus on SS,IS,StockXpert,DT for now on....
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: icefront on August 17, 2008, 14:01
I stopped uploading to FL 2 months ago, they reject my stuff as similar or overabundant. Too sad, the so called - accepted - similar images sell very well on FL... I'm really sad, I simply loose money because of somebody's weird decision.

I tried to contact support: I didn't uploaded any similar photograph to #xxxxx, support response was a copy/paste, completely irrelevant to the subject. I contacted support 3 times, the responses were 3 copy/paste's. I feel I'm talking alone or I'm talking to walls.

I have to wait until something changes at FL, I don't want to waste my images.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: melastmohican on August 17, 2008, 14:07
Same to me, everything is similar or overabundant :-) I was able to add 9 photos this month and had no sales at all so I start moving FL to the end my my queue.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: peep on August 17, 2008, 14:44
Same here. I had a period when they accepted everything I had sent them. And now they keep rejecting the very same pictures (or maybe even better) with their stupid "overabundant" or "type" pseudoreasons. But my sales are now much better than their used to be. So I do not know what to make from it.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: KB on August 17, 2008, 18:42
Same here.  >:(

My AR has run over 90% at SS, around 90% at DT for the last year, and 70% at IS (though much higher the last 6 months).

At FT over the last year it's been around 50%. And my last batch (and I do mean last batch) last week -- 15 out of 18 rejected! 14 for "quality of photo", one for "type". Quality? DT, IS, and SS (not to mention the rest) don't have problems with them, what makes FT so special?

I wrote to support, asking that they be re-reviewed by a senior reviewer. You all know the response I got.  Sorry for the inconvenience, blah, blah, blah.

Only an idiot (hello!)  ;D would continue to upload under these circumstances. The most difficult UL process combined with relatively poor sales (except for the occasional EL) and the least consistent, most frustrating rejections.

I'm not yet at the point where I'm going to delete my port (why bother?), but they won't be seeing new images from me until (unless) I read that things have changed. (As if they care -- ha!)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: RGebbiePhoto on August 17, 2008, 19:03
maybe they rotate acceptance percentage like some sites rotate the search engine :D

Dunno what to tell all of you, we just had 98 of the last 120 accepted onto the site.
Rejects: Overabundant (we had some daisies :D )
              Similar (they took one of four shots of a series, etc)

Well, I guess I better finish bulk uploading before they rotate acceptance again... lol
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: lobby on August 17, 2008, 19:28
well this is my trick...

i upload a batch (30-50 images) i edit few
5-8
if rejected i dont submit the others...

i guess it have to do something with the moon and the weather  (ha ha)

so i'm waiting for the next moon to submit the rest (after tested) with the new ones....
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: peep on August 18, 2008, 05:28
Well, the only problem is I usually upload every other day. So waiting for the next moon would cause a big "photo jam". :-)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Fred on August 18, 2008, 06:01

Maybe they are trying to limit the competition for their "Infinity" collection!!
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: boatman on August 18, 2008, 08:08
since I arrived back in the UK 2 months ago, I have had nearly every submission to Fotolia rejected for one reason or another. I really don't know what they are looking for anymore. My acceptance rate on all the other sites has remained high, so I guess I will just have to manage without them from now on.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: michealo on August 18, 2008, 08:17
I am in the process of pulling my port from there. I stopped uploading after getting so many overabundant rejections. Sales certainly weren't overabundant ;-)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: melastmohican on August 18, 2008, 09:42
Everybody there on vacations, one rookie reviewer has no vacation this year so he is pissed off and sends everything to void  ;D
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: ChasingMoments on August 18, 2008, 11:11
I am in the process of pulling my port from there. I stopped uploading after getting so many overabundant rejections. Sales certainly weren't overabundant ;-)

I am not pulling my port, but I am not uploading any more images until FT delivers some COHERENT statement about criteria/policies, categories they are looking for and categories they are not accepting and WHY.

I don't want any more "arbitrary". I don't want any more hit or miss. I don't want any more uncertainty. Uploading and processing takes time, which is valuable and FT has sent me a clear message that it does not respect my time and does not take effort to communicate clearly about the images it is looking and standards it is adhering to. I want a coherent statement about its "aesthetic quality" standards and I want a statement about categories that are overabundant because, well - a bunch of people images i submitted have fallen victim to these two beasts.

Experience shows that photogs can influence behavior of agencies. Is it too much to ask FT to make explicit and clear its acceptance policy? I can live with harsh, stringent acceptance and review criteria. I refuse to play the game of uncertainty.  I think we as photographers should demand that FT communicate with us.

I personally am not uploading to FT any more until my concerns about FT acceptance standards and criteria are alleviated at least in some fashion.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: KB on August 18, 2008, 11:56
I am not pulling my port, but I am not uploading any more images until FT delivers some COHERENT statement about criteria/policies, categories they are looking for and categories they are not accepting and WHY.
I agree, but I don't see that happening. We are likely a small minority, and I doubt they will even notice that we have stopped uploading. They won't even learn of it, since I doubt anyone from there reads this forum (and a similar thread at fotolia's forum would be pulled faster than you can say "type of photo").

So I think we're in for a long wait. Which is fine with me, as I have many other, better performing sites to spend my time on.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Phil on August 19, 2008, 04:35
Everybody there on vacations, one rookie reviewer has no vacation this year so he is pissed off and sends everything to void  ;D

LOL!
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: stokfoto on August 19, 2008, 04:46
I didn't use to be that concerned with sort of (if not ridiculous) ambiguous rejections by  FT which I'd get  very rarely but  now they are getting more and more significant ,which drives me mad.I hope they will figure out who is responsible for it.I am confident with my work and know what shouldn't have been rejected.anyway I shall keep uploading but  it is also their loss not including some of the quality work which are already  available elsewhere.
and I think they should first clear all the crap photos on the site instead of rejecting new images if the reason behind this was being concerned about overloading the library.

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on August 19, 2008, 06:34
and I think they should first clear all the crap photos on the site instead of rejecting new images if the reason behind this was being concerned about overloading the library.


Bingo.  This should be tatooed on the forehead of every image library manager at the microstock agencies.

I have always considered it ridiculous, and actually stupid is a better word, that agencies would close their doors on new quality images because of quotas while at the same time keeping the initial questionable quality images they accepted while building up their library.  If they truly want to have a strong library, they should weed out the bad material and replace it with quality, fresh material.

If I managed a library, I would have a rule that any image which goes 2 years without a sale gets tagged for deletion.  I'd have the tagged images get sent to the reviewing team, and if they didn't meet current standards they'd be cut loose.  If they met standards, then fine.

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: ChasingMoments on August 19, 2008, 06:56

If I managed a library, I would have a rule that any image which goes 2 years without a sale gets tagged for deletion.  I'd have the tagged images get sent to the reviewing team, and if they didn't meet current standards they'd be cut loose.  If they met standards, then fine.


Eeeh.... and you know what would happen immediately after all the allegedly crap images deleted? They'd be promptly reuploaded by authors thus jamming reviewers' time... of course they mostly wouldn't be approved, but you never know...there are plenty of amazing "unsold" stuff out there
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: stokfoto on August 19, 2008, 07:08
Eeeh.... and you know what would happen immediately after all the allegedly crap images deleted? They'd be promptly reuploaded by authors thus jamming reviewers' time... of course they mostly wouldn't be approved, but you never know...there are plenty of amazing "unsold" stuff out there

if the photos were really too bad to sell than I don't think the authors would re-upload them  but I see your point on unseen good quality images with zero sales in that case they could introduce something like the dollar bin of IS.I think it is a good way to get rid of those low quality files files Imagine if no one  was willing to pay not even a dollar for a file that proves how bad they really are imo.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: graficallyminded on August 19, 2008, 08:02
And the amazing "unsold" stuff is usually unsold do to bonehead keywording.  There's just no excuse for that.

Fotolia makes me sad.  Things have taken a turn for the worse.  I'm still making plenty of income from them, but how am I motivated to upload if 90% of my new uploads are being denied? 
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Fran on August 21, 2008, 16:42
I'm totally frustrated at Fotolia, cause I just don't understand what it's reasonable to submit. I will stop uploading one day, promise, unless... wait, I got my first EL ever! :D
It's also my best earner everywhere and it's probably the image i dislike the most among the ones I've ever uploaded. Oh irony.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: jeffclow on August 24, 2008, 14:53

Just got an "overabundant" photo rejection for a shot of a rainbow off the Na Pali coast of Hawaii that has been accepted by 100% of all other sites ......

A quick search shows they have no other photos of this location in their database with a rainbow of any kind.

I now sense that they really don't want a lot of new photos of any kind, and I think they are making a huge mistake.

And, like so many others here, I'm just about done even trying to upload at the site these days - their rejections are bordering on the absurd.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Pixart on August 24, 2008, 15:25
Why they would restrict fresh content like they do is beyond me?  I would dump the old crap (that they were more than happy to accept last year) and add the new and improved version that is likely a higher resolution as well. 

I wonder if there is some "business" going on behind the scenes, like a sale or merger with a macro? 
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: mollypix on August 24, 2008, 15:40
Fotolia seems to have a mindset....sent them this image...

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/birds/6895925-seagull-and-chip.php?id=6895925 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/birds/6895925-seagull-and-chip.php?id=6895925)

Rejected for overabundant photo catagory...so I sent them a message...that "If I search for seagull and chip I don't get any images, how can it be an overabundant photo??"

Reply..."We don't need this image"

Oh well, your funeral...haven't had a rejection from any other site.

Cheers

Mollypix

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on August 24, 2008, 16:34
Fotolia seems to have a mindset....sent them this image...

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/birds/6895925-seagull-and-chip.php?id=6895925[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/birds/6895925-seagull-and-chip.php?id=6895925[/url])

Rejected for overabundant photo catagory...so I sent them a message...that "If I search for seagull and chip I don't get any images, how can it be an overabundant photo??"

Reply..."We don't need this image"

Oh well, your funeral...haven't had a rejection from any other site.

Cheers

Mollypix




bad composition due to croping / framing.  I would reject it as well. Simply bad  composition.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: epantha on August 24, 2008, 16:44
So what DO they want? For me personally they take almost all of the seasonal graphics that I upload, most bug photos, especially isolated bugs and isolations in general, anything to do with herbal medicine, and close-ups of food. Anyone else want to share?
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on August 25, 2008, 02:30
They want non over-abundant photos with appealing aesthetics from certain types of images.  Isn't it clear?

 :D
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: fotografer on August 25, 2008, 02:38
I don't see how a shot like that could have been composed differently, it wasn't exactly a cooperative model. :)

Fotolia seems to have a mindset....sent them this image...

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/birds/6895925-seagull-and-chip.php?id=6895925[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/birds/6895925-seagull-and-chip.php?id=6895925[/url])

Rejected for overabundant photo catagory...so I sent them a message...that "If I search for seagull and chip I don't get any images, how can it be an overabundant photo??"

Reply..."We don't need this image"

Oh well, your funeral...haven't had a rejection from any other site.

Cheers

Mollypix




bad composition due to croping / framing.  I would reject it as well. Simply bad  composition.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: mollypix on August 25, 2008, 04:07
Hey Pete,

Why don't you go out and show me how its done.....

Be carefull you might get a finger pecked....oooohhh ouch.

Some do...some dont...some just sit and criticize

Cheers

Mollypix
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on August 25, 2008, 04:15
bad composition due to croping / framing.  I would reject it as well. Simply bad  composition.

The gull is completely in the picture.  How is this a bad crop?
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on August 25, 2008, 04:44
a hand is badly croped. only tips of fingers are visible. if there were no hand and food, only a bird it would be OK, but this way is just failed attempt of making a concept of feeding the bird.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on August 25, 2008, 04:54
The subject is the bird, and to some degree the chip.  Both of which are in the picture, completely.

Why do you think the entire hand should be in the picture?  What does that have to do with anything?  Why not the entire arm then?  How about the entire person, with a wide angle applied?  How about zooming back more for the entire beach?

This is what I cannot stand about some of the bizarre rejections from cropping.  You at least have to be aware of what the subject matter is, and it isn't the arm or the hand.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on August 25, 2008, 06:41
The subject is the bird, and to some degree the chip.  Both of which are in the picture, completely.

Why do you think the entire hand should be in the picture?  What does that have to do with anything?  Why not the entire arm then?  How about the entire person, with a wide angle applied?  How about zooming back more for the entire beach?

This is what I cannot stand about some of the bizarre rejections from cropping.  You at least have to be aware of what the subject matter is, and it isn't the arm or the hand.

how about entire planet Earth shoot from the Moon?

I said only my opinion. If I were revirewer, I would reject it too. My opinion only. It looks like it is photoshoped, and hand and food added after, from another image...

subject on that image is "feeding the bird", not "the bird". and image does not represent it well enough. (my opinion again).

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Nemo1024 on August 25, 2008, 06:47
I like the shot - nice freeze of the moment! Added to my "Birds in flight" lightbox.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: leaf on August 25, 2008, 06:52
I would have to agree with Peter.

wether or not the 'model' was cooperative or how hard the image was to take has little to do with if the image makes good stock or not.

I think the image is cropped much to tight on the bottom of the photo.  The foot is almost cut off, and there is almost no part of the hand showing, which as Peter also pointed out, is the subject of the photo - feeding the seagull.  I feel at least from the wrist down should be included.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: KB on August 25, 2008, 15:11
Even Bobby Deal has to put up with stupid Fotolia rejections:
http://www.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=13612
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on August 25, 2008, 15:19
I think they meant "simmilar already accepted".
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: melastmohican on August 25, 2008, 15:31
Funniest thing is when I got series of let's say 4 photos and all of then got rejected because they are to similar ;-) I think one should be accepted to make their statement true ;-)
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: mollypix on August 25, 2008, 15:33
Thanks Nemo 1024....

I like to play "who dares wins" with seagulls if I'm down the beach having fish and chips. This time I tried a few images. Got a few others with the bird actually taking the chip, the chip still in my fingers, i'll upload them sooner or later, their good images but not so much room for copyspace.
These shots arn't big sellers anyway but fun to do, bit quirky, good impact, a good laugh, and I can't find any other images with a seagull actually taking food from a hand.

thanks again for the inclusion in your lightbox

cheers

Mollypix

P.S. It ain't cropped, folded, spindled, mutilated or photoshopped, thats the full image.

 
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: DanP68 on August 25, 2008, 19:16
Even Bobby Deal has to put up with stupid Fotolia rejections:
[url]http://www.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=13612[/url]



Amazing.  Really, not much more to say than that.
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: leszek on August 25, 2008, 20:45
It looks like Fotolia is hell-bent on destroying their business...

Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Nemo1024 on August 26, 2008, 00:22
Funniest thing is when I got series of let's say 4 photos and all of then got rejected because they are to similar ;-) I think one should be accepted to make their statement true ;-)

I noticed that too on a couple of occasions, so i submit such photos at intervals. However, my last week's batch was completely rejected, save for 5 photos, two of which came in almost similar pairs and were not the best of the batch...
Title: Re: Rejections, rejections, rejections...
Post by: Peter on August 26, 2008, 01:24
Funniest thing is when I got series of let's say 4 photos and all of then got rejected because they are to similar ;-) I think one should be accepted to make their statement true ;-)

hi. can you post at least one image from that series. I really would like to see one of them.