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« on: June 11, 2012, 10:35 »
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I had a sale for 9 cents today.   

Seriously - has anyone had one for less?


ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 10:39 »
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I had a sale for 9 cents today.  

Seriously - has anyone had one for less?

Never, ever. My first sale on iStock was in dec 2006 and it was a Sm, which I think was the smallest size they did then; I got 20c and was seriously underwhelmed. I think I had a few 19c, but nothing lower.
Never expected it to go downhill from there.  >:(
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 03:10 by ShadySue »

« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2012, 10:42 »
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there were many topics about this, I had one for 7 cents

« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2012, 10:53 »
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there were many topics about this, I had one for 7 cents

True. I had one for 5 or 6 cents about 18 months ago. 'Ancient credits' was the explanation.

ShadySue

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2012, 11:30 »
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there were many topics about this, I had one for 7 cents

True. I had one for 5 or 6 cents about 18 months ago. 'Ancient credits' was the explanation.
They just click that box for any query about prices, even if irrelevant.

« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2012, 11:36 »
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there were many topics about this, I had one for 7 cents

True. I had one for 5 or 6 cents about 18 months ago. 'Ancient credits' was the explanation.
They just click that box for any query about prices, even if irrelevant.

It was actually Rob Sylvan on here rather than a ticked box. Whoever bought those thousands of credits when they were cheap certainly did themselves a huge service.

ShadySue

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2012, 11:43 »
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there were many topics about this, I had one for 7 cents

True. I had one for 5 or 6 cents about 18 months ago. 'Ancient credits' was the explanation.
They just click that box for any query about prices, even if irrelevant.

It was actually Rob Sylvan on here rather than a ticked box. Whoever bought those thousands of credits when they were cheap certainly did themselves a huge service.
Oh well, fair enough if it was Uncle Rob.
I had that explanation for a query when it was totally irrelevant. When I got back to them to explain that this was not even a possible explanation for the specific issue, I didn't get a reply.

« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2012, 11:46 »
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This one has me thinking seriously about closing the account.  I have a tiny portfolio there anyway, and there's no future - I quit submitting there long ago, just too much hassle.    Now it's like they're daring me to leave.   Next week it will be 7 cents, then 3...  :)

traveler1116

« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2012, 11:54 »
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I wouldn't worry about it too much a 1 credit XS for 9 cents comes out to a 23 credit XXXL for $2.07, aren't you selling those same XXXL files at SS for at most 38 cents or about 1.5 cents per credit?  Just a little different perspective.

tab62

« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2012, 12:08 »
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If I understand this correctly you are getting about 4.3% (.09/2.03) commission on that pic?

« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 12:12 »
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If I understand this correctly you are getting about 4.3% (.09/2.03) commission on that pic?


No, the commission is always the same - %15 or whatever.

Use this to figure out price per credit:
http://seanlockephotography.com/2011/12/20/calculating-price-paid-per-credit/

« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 12:18 »
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I wouldn't worry about it too much a 1 credit XS for 9 cents comes out to a 23 credit XXXL for $2.07, aren't you selling those same XXXL files at SS for at most 38 cents or about 1.5 cents per credit?  Just a little different perspective.

no

traveler1116

« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 12:30 »
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I wouldn't worry about it too much a 1 credit XS for 9 cents comes out to a 23 credit XXXL for $2.07, aren't you selling those same XXXL files at SS for at most 38 cents or about 1.5 cents per credit?  Just a little different perspective.

no
No?  You mean you downsize all your images for SS?  Even then you would be selling at least medium sized images that cost 7 credits, so at 9 cents so you would still be getting 63 cents on IS  instead of the max of 38 cents on SS.

« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2012, 12:35 »
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I don't have any XXXL images on SS (that I know of), but mostly I was disagreeing with the "at most" and "max" that you said. Although I haven't had any I think the max is up around 90$ (although highly unlikely). 2.85 is quite common and 5 something not that rare. Actually selling the XXXL at a PP site for .28 or whatever they offer is more likely if IS ever gets the stuff ported over.

traveler1116

« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2012, 12:55 »
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I don't have any XXXL images on SS (that I know of), but mostly I was disagreeing with the "at most" and "max" that you said. Although I haven't had any I think the max is up around 90$ (although highly unlikely). 2.85 is quite common and 5 something not that rare. Actually selling the XXXL at a PP site for .28 or whatever they offer is more likely if IS ever gets the stuff ported over.
We are talking about low numbers here not ELs or $90 sales, the vast majority of sales at SS are sub sales which at the best give 38 cents.  My friend on SS with about 1000 sales has an RPD of 35 cents even counting some video sales, els, on demand etc..  My point is that a vast majority of sales at SS are paying a lower amount (by a lot) if you looked at them like IS credit sales.

« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 13:02 »
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I don't have any XXXL images on SS (that I know of), but mostly I was disagreeing with the "at most" and "max" that you said. Although I haven't had any I think the max is up around 90$ (although highly unlikely). 2.85 is quite common and 5 something not that rare. Actually selling the XXXL at a PP site for .28 or whatever they offer is more likely if IS ever gets the stuff ported over.
We are talking about low numbers here not ELs or $90 sales, the vast majority of sales at SS are sub sales which at the best give 38 cents.  My friend on SS with about 1000 sales has an RPD of 35 cents even counting some video sales, els, on demand etc..  My point is that a vast majority of sales at SS are paying a lower amount (by a lot) if you looked at them like IS credit sales.

I agree with what you are saying BUT the ODs and other are increasing, that said RPD is lot higher than 35 cents, last month had 0.67$ (yes it is higher on IS but a lot less money)

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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 13:03 »
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I wouldn't worry about it too much a 1 credit XS for 9 cents comes out to a 23 credit XXXL for $2.07, aren't you selling those same XXXL files at SS for at most 38 cents or about 1.5 cents per credit?  Just a little different perspective.

..and it never goes as low as 9 or 6 cents...

ShadySue

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2012, 13:06 »
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I don't have any XXXL images on SS (that I know of), but mostly I was disagreeing with the "at most" and "max" that you said. Although I haven't had any I think the max is up around 90$ (although highly unlikely). 2.85 is quite common and 5 something not that rare. Actually selling the XXXL at a PP site for .28 or whatever they offer is more likely if IS ever gets the stuff ported over.
We are talking about low numbers here not ELs or $90 sales, the vast majority of sales at SS are sub sales which at the best give 38 cents.  My friend on SS with about 1000 sales has an RPD of 35 cents even counting some video sales, els, on demand etc..  My point is that a vast majority of sales at SS are paying a lower amount (by a lot) if you looked at them like IS credit sales.
Nevertheless, you know what you're going into with SS.
On iStock you can look at credit prices and calculate what your minimum should be per sale, but they don't tell you about the huge discounts offered to big buyers.
Also, surely the ancient credits thing is wearing very thin. To give 9c, how old would the credits have to be, even if someone has picked up a 25% discount code online? It really beggars belief that there are so many c2004 credits around.

traveler1116

« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2012, 13:22 »
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I wouldn't worry about it too much a 1 credit XS for 9 cents comes out to a 23 credit XXXL for $2.07, aren't you selling those same XXXL files at SS for at most 38 cents or about 1.5 cents per credit?  Just a little different perspective.

..and it never goes as low as 9 or 6 cents...
Depends how you look at it is what I'm saying.  SS minimum size is equivalent to a 7 credit medium file on IS and the max size is equivalent to a 28 credit P+.  Therefore the vast majority of sales at SS would be the equivalent per credit royalty of between less than 1 cent (25 cents per download on a 28 credit P+) and 5.5 cents (38 cents on a 7 credit medium regular).  Either way they would be lower than anything on IS for an equivalent license.  I'm not saying SS is the worst either I think crestock is still selling subs for 25 cents, it's just that IS even with such a small royalty doesn't look as bad to me as most of the other sites when comparing similar sales. 

ShadySue I'm not sure there are really any number of 2004 credits out there but they offer fairly large discounts to big buyers, down to around 46 cents per credit.

« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012, 13:38 »
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I wouldn't worry about it too much a 1 credit XS for 9 cents comes out to a 23 credit XXXL for $2.07, aren't you selling those same XXXL files at SS for at most 38 cents or about 1.5 cents per credit?  Just a little different perspective.

Your 'perspective' is sadly distorted. Microstock is not and has never has been about RPD. It's a volume thing. If RPD is such a big deal to you then sell your stuff at RM prices.

My earnings at IS peaked just over 2 years ago with an RPD of $1.25. Nowadays my RPD at IS is about $1.89 but my earnings have almost halved as volume has shrunk by 55%.

Over the same period my earnings at SS are up 50% and considerably higher than those at IS despite an RPD of just 66c. It's a volume thing.

« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 13:41 »
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I wouldn't worry about it too much a 1 credit XS for 9 cents comes out to a 23 credit XXXL for $2.07, aren't you selling those same XXXL files at SS for at most 38 cents or about 1.5 cents per credit?  Just a little different perspective.

Your 'perspective' is sadly distorted. Microstock is not and has never has been about RPD. It's a volume thing. If RPD is such a big deal to you then sell your stuff at RM prices.

My earnings at IS peaked just over 2 years ago with an RPD of $1.25. Nowadays my RPD at IS is about $1.89 but my earnings have almost halved as volume has shrunk by 55%.

Over the same period my earnings at SS are up 50% and considerably higher than those at IS despite an RPD of just 66c. It's a volume thing.

guess we can close this topic ;D

ShadySue

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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2012, 13:53 »
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ShadySue I'm not sure there are really any number of 2004 credits out there but they offer fairly large discounts to big buyers, down to around 46 cents per credit.
Indeed, but that info is not transparent to new contributors. The info accessible to new UK contributors is that credits can be bought for "as little as 0.77", which today is $1.19.

« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 13:56 »
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Your 'perspective' is sadly distorted. Microstock is not and has never has been about RPD. It's a volume thing. If RPD is such a big deal to you then sell your stuff at RM prices.

I don't think you can say either definitively for every contributor. I personally do much better selling lower volumes at higher prices, but others sell very well through sub models. RPD is very important to me, but that doesn't mean everyone will have (or does have) the same experience.

traveler1116

« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2012, 14:19 »
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I wouldn't worry about it too much a 1 credit XS for 9 cents comes out to a 23 credit XXXL for $2.07, aren't you selling those same XXXL files at SS for at most 38 cents or about 1.5 cents per credit?  Just a little different perspective.

Your 'perspective' is sadly distorted. Microstock is not and has never has been about RPD. It's a volume thing. If RPD is such a big deal to you then sell your stuff at RM prices.

My earnings at IS peaked just over 2 years ago with an RPD of $1.25. Nowadays my RPD at IS is about $1.89 but my earnings have almost halved as volume has shrunk by 55%.

Over the same period my earnings at SS are up 50% and considerably higher than those at IS despite an RPD of just 66c. It's a volume thing.
I think your interpretation of what I was saying is sadly distorted.  I never said RPD was the most important thing what I said was that selling an XXXL file on SS gets 38 cents and selling the same file for the very very low rate of 9 cents per credit on IS gets you $2.07 (even higher if the same file is offered as P+) so I don't think 9 cents per credit looks that bad when you compare it to what SS is selling, which could be an equivalent file for less than 1 cent per credit.

« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2012, 14:25 »
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...the vast majority of sales at SS are sub sales ...

Just not true. There are many regular (ie non-EL, no extra license goodies) sales at the on-demand, and singles prices where I get $2.85 or $5.70 for the equivalent of an IS XXXL. 1,000 on SS is nothing - I wouldn't take that contributor's experience as in any way typical of life at SS.

And my 38 cents for a subs download looks a lot better than the 11 cents I occasionally get for a non-Photo+ XS on IS, if you want to make random comparisons


 

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