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« on: July 29, 2013, 08:26 »
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Getty did it again, I'm not sure when they started it but it seems that the German company 1&1 is giving away Getty exclusive photos and illustrations for FREE again. If you saw your pictures on many German websites, this could very well be because 1&1 (one of the biggest hosting companys in Germany) implemented a feature that is very similar to what google offers to its customers.

Users are able to insert pictures for free (after they paid a monthly fee to 1&1) in their personal AND business websites. The whole thing looks so familiar to the google thing that I tend to believe that Getty is bending your contracts again to the extreme. And I guess there are a lot more of that deals then we think.

Many pictures are from Istock exclusives like Yuri / Globalstock also a lot of contibutor that are not so deeply affiliated with Getty.

http://homepage.1und1.de/?linkOrigin=designs&linkId=ct.tabs.diyShowroom.overview

You can insert and download pictures up to size around 800px x 600px.

What a "professional" partner.

Some pictures for your viewing pleasure:



Ron

« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 08:54 »
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ShadySue

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 09:02 »
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And have they 'communicated' this to us?
Have they 'eck as like.

« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 09:06 »
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The 1&1 advertising says that 25 000 images can be used free of charge and another 5 Million can be accessed for very low prices.

Maybe someone with a 1&1 contract can tell us more. My contract is with domainfactory, the competition.

Have the artists been paid for the "free" images? Is exifdata available in the downloads? How much do the other 5 Million images cost?

1&1 is very popular with probably millions of customers, many of them commercial users.

In fact the package they are promoting is directed at small to medium businesses.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2013, 09:10 by cobalt »

« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 09:25 »
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Disgusting!

« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 09:28 »
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Some would say that normally thinking person / company would learn a lesson from contributors reaction to Google/Getty deal. I can't say I'm surprised. In fact I doubt that iS is able to surprise me anymore.

I don't know what these deals bring to iS - not mentioning contributors. It's like restaurant offering 90% discount and naively hoping that satisfied customer would come back again and pay regular price. They won't come back - all of them are like locusts - grazing down everything and moving to other minus XX% offer.

« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 09:29 »
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And is the name of the artist visible so that the customer can give correct credit on their website. This is a requirement over here.

« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 09:37 »
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Free usage for users should require an extended license for electronic resale (templates, etc.).  But of course, they likely offered them a great deal for a "small" collection for the "publicity".  To draw people in with things like this (which do not mention any free images):
http://www.1and1.com/details-istockphoto
http://www.istockphoto.com/1and1
http://faq.1and1.co.uk/website_building/1.html

ShadySue

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 09:39 »
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Some would say that normally thinking person / company would learn a lesson from contributors reaction to Google/Getty deal. I can't say I'm surprised. In fact I doubt that iS is able to surprise me anymore.
They did say they were going after more of these deals, but that they would be communicated with us, though I'm not sure I can be bothered looking for the post.
Of course they will; they will get a hefty fee for brokering the deal that they don't share with the plebby content providers.

« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 09:41 »
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Some would say that normally thinking person / company would learn a lesson from contributors reaction to Google/Getty deal.

And from the Getty reaction to the criticism of that deal. Nobody seems to have followed in Sean's footsteps, alerting the iS forums to this latest move.

Yuri should be happy with this arrangement, though.

« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 09:44 »
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ShadySue

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2013, 09:44 »
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Some would say that normally thinking person / company would learn a lesson from contributors reaction to Google/Getty deal.
And from the Getty reaction to the criticism of that deal. Nobody seems to have followed in Sean's footsteps, alerting the iS forums to this latest move.

Most of us who would, can't.

« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2013, 09:49 »
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Some would say that normally thinking person / company would learn a lesson from contributors reaction to Google/Getty deal.
And from the Getty reaction to the criticism of that deal. Nobody seems to have followed in Sean's footsteps, alerting the iS forums to this latest move.

Most of us who would, can't.
And if you could and did, then probably pretty soon you wouldn't be able to any more. I could, but I can't be bothered.

« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2013, 09:52 »
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Well there is one piece of good news in this: the deal is with istock and not with Thinkstock...

ShadySue

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2013, 09:54 »
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This looks ok from what Sean posted.  We get paid for the 5 free images at $1/credit correct?

Nobody knows that for sure. It was posted by one of the mods, but referenced a very old post. No-one has confirmed that this is currently the case.
Back in the day, we could opt in to having promotional images used for free. I was opted in for a while, though I thought it was extremely mean of iStock not to at least pay us our percentage of a nominal fee. As soon as the RC thing started I opted out. Whether a lot of people opted out at that time or for some other reason, they enforced a new ASA on us (i.e. if you didn't agree you were out) including the following
In addition to the foregoing grant iStockphoto and its Distribution Partners may post, reproduce, modify, display, make derivative works or otherwise use any Exclusive Content for their own business purposes relating to the promotion of the Site, the Exclusive Content and their distribution programs, and promote the licensing of Exclusive Content (including, without limitation, the use of the Exclusive Content and the Supplier's registered and unregistered trademarks for marketing, sales and promotional efforts whether on the Site or through third parties). The Supplier agrees that iStockphoto shall have exclusive rights to design marketing literature for the Exclusive Content, at its own expense, and the Supplier agrees to cooperate in that regard. No compensation shall be due to the Supplier for use of Exclusive Content for such business purposes.
http://www.istockphoto.com/asa_exclusive.php [3b]
Seeing as how they seem to be able to just nominate partners at will, e.g. pinterest and PeopleImages, it could be we're all screwed.

They consistently refused to write their legalese in the ASA, licensing agreements etc in Plain English, and there was a reason for their refusal.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2013, 10:04 by ShadySue »

Ron

« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2013, 09:54 »
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The prices of the images in the image library start at $1 for unlimited use

ShadySue

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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2013, 09:55 »
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Well there is one piece of good news in this: the deal is with istock and not with Thinkstock...
I wish the vice were versa.
Also, from my own selfish pov, at least I don't provide business type images, so I'm not so likely to be impacted.
Doesn't make it right for others.

« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2013, 09:59 »
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Are only exclusive files among the 25k available for free distribution?

« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2013, 09:59 »
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2013, 10:04 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 11:45 by Audi 5000 »

Ron

« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2013, 10:06 »
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The prices of the images in the image library start at $1 for unlimited use
What are you even quoting here.
And then why give a negative for asking, I don't see it anywhere in the thread and there is no link.  Didn't you get in trouble for negativing everything before?
I voted you down for asking a stupid question, its in the links Sean provided, links you have opened and read yourself. Thats why I gave you a negative. Now go run to Tyler and report me for voting you down. And I have the idea you done that before, since this is the second time you brought that up.

« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2013, 10:10 »
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2013, 10:11 »
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Guys the links Sean posted are for forreign (outside Germany 1&1 sites) the German Website gives them away for FREE. I could insert all pictures and then donwload them in 800 *600 (with "save as") with NO ADDITONAL charge, period.

« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2013, 10:14 »
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This looks ok from what Sean posted.  We get paid for the 5 free images at $1/credit correct?  It doesn't seem at all like the google deal.

This is only when the customers wants to access more images then the 25 000 available for free.

For the 25k the artists should probably get an extended license fee for electronic template or something. But how high should a license be that offers free distribution to millions of customers?

Is it another 6 Dollar deal?

« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2013, 10:17 »
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The 1&1 advertising says that 25 000 images can be used free of charge and another 5 Million can be accessed for very low prices.

Maybe someone with a 1&1 contract can tell us more. My contract is with domainfactory, the competition.

Is exifdata available in the downloads?

1&1 is very popular with probably millions of customers, many of them commercial users.

In fact the package they are promoting is directed at small to medium businesses.

- 25.000 could be correct. Anyway there were a lot very HQ pics for free use even on commercial websites, with no charge.
- You can open an account and cancel it within 30days without charge, just call 0800 850 5555. (so you would be able to test it yourself like I did)
- No Exif data given


 

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