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photo123

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« on: April 21, 2011, 04:35 »

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Hello,

I am about to upload a photo of a Louis Vuitton bag as editorial to istock.
But i haven't found any brand name bags in search.

Is it forbidden to upload or no one has uploaded yet? Do you have any information regarding this?

Thank you for answers.


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ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2011, 06:34 »

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Can't imagine you'll have a problem: this is already in
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-16298668-louis-vuitton-window-display.php?st=af66e3b
and while not an isolated bag, seems to set a precedent. Not that 'precedent' means anything on iStock, and as can be seen in the editorial forum and from my own recent expereince, the inspectors aren't all singing from the same hymn sheet.


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Lagereek

« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2011, 06:46 »

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Yes well hang on a minute! Louis Vuittone, is a REALLY copyrighted brandname, the lot in fact, the letters LV, stand for trouble, unless you check it out, editorial or not, check it out.
Some 10 years back I was very lucky not to get into trouble with a stupid Gucci bag, I did get into trouble but bailed my way out of it by offering a dozen free shots.

can be VERY costly. So find out about it.


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gostwyck

« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2011, 07:23 »

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Forget the copyright issues (for both you and the agency) for the moment. Who is actually going to buy an image of an LV bag and what would they use it for? What would be the 'editorial' context that such an image might be needed? I can't imagine that there's enough of a market to make your time producing such images worthwhile.


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luissantos84

« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2011, 07:27 »

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Quote from: gostwyck on April 21, 2011, 07:23

might be true but there are 1000 pics of the famous Coca-Cola


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click_click

« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2011, 07:33 »

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Quote from: luissantos84 on April 21, 2011, 07:27

Quote from: gostwyck on April 21, 2011, 07:23

might be true but there are 1000 pics of the famous Coca-Cola

LOL that's what I thought. I'm under the impression that potential buyers can easily take a pic of a Coke can themselves while they might have a problem getting a hold of a LV hand bag.

I can rather see a LV editorial image at IS than the stupid coke cans...


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rubyroo

« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 07:41 »

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I could imagine it being used in a few scenarios.... articles pertaining to: genuine designer products vs fakes; fresh news about the company; a lawsuit involving their products; a death in the Vuitton dynasty (if there is one - I haven't a clue). Or simply a reference to the obsession some have with 'must-have' designer goods. I would have thought that a Louis Vuitton bag would be classed as an iconic symbol of that trait.


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ShadySue

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2011, 08:02 »

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Quote from: gostwyck on April 21, 2011, 07:23

Fashion blogs, of which there are a gazillion.


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photo123

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2011, 08:03 »

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Quote from: lagereek on April 21, 2011, 06:46

I'm very confused now. Please check the photo (not full size)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23976648/IMG_5537-2drop.jpg
It's a simple bag photo but who knows i don't want to get in to trouble..


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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2011, 08:10 »

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Quote from: rubyroo on April 21, 2011, 07:41

I could imagine it being used in a few scenarios.... articles pertaining to: [...] a lawsuit involving their products [...]

like the one against the photographer Grin


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ShadySue

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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2011, 08:13 »

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Quote from: microstockphoto.co.uk on April 21, 2011, 08:10

Quote from: rubyroo on April 21, 2011, 07:41

I could imagine it being used in a few scenarios.... articles pertaining to: [...] a lawsuit involving their products [...]

like the one against the photographer Grin

As mentioned above, why would LV be any different from e.g. CocaCola and Apple iPhone, iPad etc?
(Though Disney was said originally by JJRD to be OK, then it wasn't.)
How are we meant to know what's OK and what isn't?


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rubyroo

« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2011, 08:22 »

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Quote from: ShadySue on April 21, 2011, 08:02

Fashion blogs, of which there are a gazillion.

Derrr.... oh yeah. I forgot about those. Cheesy

I don't understand why Vuitton would be any different from Coca Cola et al either. Didn't know about Disney. I thought the whole premise of editorial was that 'normal rules don't apply'.


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luissantos84

« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2011, 08:27 »

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Quote from: photo123 on April 21, 2011, 08:03

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23976648/IMG_5537-2drop.jpg
It's a simple bag photo but who knows i don't want to get in to trouble..

bottom of the bag, feather the selection, IS won´t approve it, we have talked about that here like 100 times, pick the selection and feather it


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ShadySue

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2011, 08:33 »

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Quote from: rubyroo on April 21, 2011, 08:22

Quote from: ShadySue on April 21, 2011, 08:02

Fashion blogs, of which there are a gazillion.

Derrr.... oh yeah. I forgot about those. Cheesy

I don't understand why Vuitton would be any different from Coca Cola et al either. Didn't know about Disney. I thought the whole premise of editorial was that 'normal rules don't apply'.

Oh, I think I didn't get that quite right. You can't shoot from within Disney (or other non-public places). I don't think that applies to Disney products, like the famous Mickey Mouse Watch.
Actually, searching on Mickey Mouse has some weird results.
/source/basic/#522c46b]http://www.istockphoto.com/search/text/Mickey_Mouse/filetypes/[1]/source/basic/#522c46b


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rubyroo

« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2011, 09:14 »

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Hmmm... I looked at one of the beers and those tyres, and they do have 'mickey mouse' in their keywords - so I guess the search engine's just doing it's job...


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ShadySue

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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2011, 09:20 »

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Quote from: rubyroo on April 21, 2011, 09:14

Hmmm... I looked at one of the beers and those tyres, and they do have 'mickey mouse' in their keywords - so I guess the search engine's just doing it's job...

So is it spam or do you get MM beer and tyres?


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Lagereek

« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2011, 09:21 »

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Quote from: photo123 on April 21, 2011, 08:03

Quote from: lagereek on April 21, 2011, 06:46

I'm very confused now. Please check the photo (not full size)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23976648/IMG_5537-2drop.jpg
It's a simple bag photo but who knows i don't want to get in to trouble..

Thats NOT editorial!! thats a product shot and pure advertising. Gotswyck is right! no one is going to buy that. Dump it.


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rubyroo

« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2011, 09:26 »

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Quote from: ShadySue on April 21, 2011, 09:20

So is it spam or do you get MM beer and tyres?

Never heard of Mickey Mouse beer or tyres myself.


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jsnover

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2011, 09:29 »

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One of the categories of editorial use only content that IS has permitted is isolated product shots of brand name products. I don't see why this would be any different from an iPhone 4 in that respect. From a sales point of view I doubt the expensive bag - which isn't the pattern I think of when I hear Louis Vuitton - would sell as well as a bottle of Mountain Dew or an iPhone 4, but that's a separate issue.

Ask in the IS editorial forum if you want to see if for some reason this product is different.


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Elenathewise

« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2011, 09:33 »

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High fashion companies are known to be completely anal about how their brand is represented, since the brand name is what people are paying money for. It's not the bag that costs $2,000 (that would be insane, right? Wink

), it's a brand name on it. So ya, I totally agree with lagereek here - if you really want to submit it as editorial, clear it first with LV. My suspicion is they might not be too enthusiastic about it.


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photo123

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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2011, 10:11 »

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Thank you for comments.
Do you think a coca cola or similars are also a product shot?
My question here is whether this photo would be trouble to me with copyright?

Quote from: lagereek on April 21, 2011, 09:21

Quote from: photo123 on April 21, 2011, 08:03

Quote from: lagereek on April 21, 2011, 06:46

I'm very confused now. Please check the photo (not full size)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23976648/IMG_5537-2drop.jpg
It's a simple bag photo but who knows i don't want to get in to trouble..

Thats NOT editorial!! thats a product shot and pure advertising. Gotswyck is right! no one is going to buy that. Dump it.


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luissantos84

« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2011, 10:22 »

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I don´t see any trouble, IS open the market for product photography, you can upload a bmw m3 or other, no problem on a bag for sure!

just do it properly, feather the isolation, I repeat


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madelaide

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2011, 10:49 »

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I've seen articles in which isolated images are places around the edges, with text flowing around it.


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kingjon

« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2011, 11:21 »

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Is the bag real (lots of fakes around). I was in NY City last year - the brand name knock offs is a huge business in China Town.


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jen

« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2011, 13:50 »

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Quote from: lagereek on April 21, 2011, 09:21

Quote from: photo123 on April 21, 2011, 08:03

Quote from: lagereek on April 21, 2011, 06:46

I'm very confused now. Please check the photo (not full size)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23976648/IMG_5537-2drop.jpg
It's a simple bag photo but who knows i don't want to get in to trouble..

Thats NOT editorial!! thats a product shot and pure advertising. Gotswyck is right! no one is going to buy that. Dump it.

iStock has asked for product shots isolated on white. To be used for illustrative purposes, not advertising. And actually, so far sales on product/brand stuff have been pretty good.


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