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« Reply #400 on: January 22, 2013, 18:49 »
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Hi Leaf,

 Don't know about another post I was going off the message Sean had posted in this link. If it is somewhere else it is very hard to know if you are not in that thread. Please share the link to the other thread so I can reply there instead of here.

Thanks,
Jonathan


lisafx

« Reply #401 on: January 22, 2013, 19:13 »
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Hi Sean,

 Can you share where you found this post from Rick, what open forum was it posted on? Very important if I am to approach the board on this topic to gain more information. Happy to share what I find out.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Jonathan, you make some very good points that what may be going on behind the scenes is quite different to what is able to be reported on a public forum. 

Any information you could find out, if you were free to share it, would be very helpful. 

Glad to hear none of your images was affected.  Although indirectly I guess we are all affected (saleswise) to one degree or another. 

« Reply #402 on: January 22, 2013, 20:17 »
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Hi Lisa,

 Yes, this is a concern for every stock photographer as it breaks the contract on being able to resell your images without your permission. I will definitely get back to everyone hear as soon as I have CLEAR info. Once again Sean, would you please share where you got this post from Rick it will help everyone if I can get where you found this post, what public forum please.

Thanks,
Jonathan

« Reply #403 on: January 22, 2013, 21:27 »
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Hi to all,
First of all, sorry for my english;
This is my first post in the forum. I Have been following microstock group since i started to upload my portfolio to different sites, like shutter, fotolia, istock...for 8 months now.
All this time i have been working hard for building a portfolio as best as i could. I promised myself to sign this forum as soon as a got the 1000 files online (200 left to reach). But the situation with de google/getty deal, has made me decided to advance my official registration here.

In istock i had 539 files online. I say "i had" because in this right moment i am deactivating all my portfolio.
I am totally disagree with the google/getty deal, its absolutly outrageous, so i decided, sadly after working so hard, to support this initiative.
I hope that this move serves something. In any case,  greetings to all and my support to the community, especially those who have exclusivity, so hard hit.


« Reply #404 on: January 22, 2013, 21:48 »
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The discussion in in the Stock Photo yahoo group:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/STOCKPHOTO

« Reply #405 on: January 22, 2013, 22:42 »
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Yes of coarse I am aware. The best part of that is I have an agency that will go to bat for me and wields a great deal more power than I do as an individual.

Again, sorry, but Rick (Blend) has said he has no problem with this scheme.

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There are many third party agencies that are speaking to Getty right now and they will be heard much quicker than a handful of Istock Exclusives. One person does not get the same ear time as a leading agency does.

That's wonderful.  How about we join together instead of being separated, or would it bother them to sink to our level?  Jon, can we count on you to be our liaison to this group of leading agencies in this matter?

Sean, fyi, majority of high-priced images is sold through Getty - this is valid for any distributor agency, Blend included. If they drop Getty some of them will lose 90-95% of their sales, even though they boast they have many more distributors. They know it, Getty knows it. They don't have much leverage here really, apart from threatening to sue, but suing is a lot of trouble and money, it's so much easier to say -well this is business these days, whatcha gonna do:)

« Reply #406 on: January 22, 2013, 23:06 »
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Yes of coarse I am aware. The best part of that is I have an agency that will go to bat for me and wields a great deal more power than I do as an individual.

Again, sorry, but Rick (Blend) has said he has no problem with this scheme.

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There are many third party agencies that are speaking to Getty right now and they will be heard much quicker than a handful of Istock Exclusives. One person does not get the same ear time as a leading agency does.

That's wonderful.  How about we join together instead of being separated, or would it bother them to sink to our level?  Jon, can we count on you to be our liaison to this group of leading agencies in this matter?

Sean, fyi, majority of high-priced images is sold through Getty - this is valid for any distributor agency, Blend included. If they drop Getty some of them will lose 90-95% of their sales, even though they boast they have many more distributors. They know it, Getty knows it. They don't have much leverage here really, apart from threatening to sue, but suing is a lot of trouble and money, it's so much easier to say -well this is business these days, whatcha gonna do:)

You're absolutely right about the percentage of sales Getty gives to all the agencies it works with. I was being recruited by an agency similar to Blend and I asked for their roster of distribution outlets, Getty was one of them, the rest, super tiny distributors I've never even heard of - almost all of them don't even register as having traffic when you do some research on their traffic...  The main selling point for joining the agency was actually.... access to Getty. The only way a younger photographer can really get into Getty these days without having to pay to play (photographers choice) is by either contributing to an agency that sells threw Getty or via Flickr. I have both of these methods at my disposal (I'm represented at different agency than the one I mentioned above). Getty can certainly deliver sales, but when you see how much you're not getting... it can get under your skin a little. Problem is, not many photographers are capable of generating these kinds of sales on their own so taking 35-20% at Getty is far better than going out on their own.

I would argue that very few agencies selling with Getty can get better sales numbers outside of Getty or don't depend on them. I can only think of one that I know for sure doesn't need Getty's help but it's a unique agency selling to a very specific customer base that Getty doesn't really serve as well as they do.... that's why Getty got involved with them.

« Reply #407 on: January 23, 2013, 00:00 »
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Looks like there are some buyer concerns about D-Day popping up in forums.  Could someone who works with RM files address the question at the Graphic Design Forum:  http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573


The question is still sitting there on their forum, unanswered.  Anyone want to give them a knowledgeable answer?  Thanks.


Okay, an answer was given. Thanks!

« Reply #408 on: January 23, 2013, 04:11 »
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I'm going to opt out of the PP on Feb 2nd.

It's not much, but every little helps.

« Reply #409 on: January 23, 2013, 04:23 »
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Hi Leaf,

 Don't know about another post I was going off the message Sean had posted in this link. If it is somewhere else it is very hard to know if you are not in that thread. Please share the link to the other thread so I can reply there instead of here.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Hi Jonathan.
I was just agreeing with you about wanting the link to Sean's quote and remind him (and everyone else) that is good practice to always give a link if you grab a quote from another site somewhere.

« Reply #410 on: January 23, 2013, 04:24 »
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Hi to all,
First of all, sorry for my english;
This is my first post in the forum. I Have been following microstock group since i started to upload my portfolio to different sites, like shutter, fotolia, istock...for 8 months now.
All this time i have been working hard for building a portfolio as best as i could. I promised myself to sign this forum as soon as a got the 1000 files online (200 left to reach). But the situation with de google/getty deal, has made me decided to advance my official registration here.

In istock i had 539 files online. I say "i had" because in this right moment i am deactivating all my portfolio.
I am totally disagree with the google/getty deal, its absolutly outrageous, so i decided, sadly after working so hard, to support this initiative.
I hope that this move serves something. In any case,  greetings to all and my support to the community, especially those who have exclusivity, so hard hit.

Welcome here.. unfortunately it isn't under better circumstances.

« Reply #411 on: January 23, 2013, 05:50 »
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Very interesting article at a time when so many upset iStockphoto contributors are planning D-Day on 02 Feb. Please read it if you haven't already.

https://twitter.com/sdeva/status/294032512114626561

« Reply #412 on: January 23, 2013, 06:20 »
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I am going to opt out all my images (approx. 600) from the partner programme on Feb. 02nd. Also only a small help, but at the moment I need the income from GettiStock and dont have the time to upload do a lot of other agencies. But as this situation is changing I will also leave the crown behind me very soon...
« Last Edit: January 23, 2013, 06:39 by guenterguni »

« Reply #413 on: January 23, 2013, 06:45 »
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Guenter, when you hand in the crown all your portfolio goes back into the PP! thats why we need an opt out option.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #414 on: January 23, 2013, 06:48 »
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Guenter, when you hand in the crown all your portfolio goes back into the PP! thats why we need an opt out option.
True, but there's nothing to stop them using image from the main iStock collection for this heist.

« Reply #415 on: January 23, 2013, 07:35 »
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Guenter, when you hand in the crown all your portfolio goes back into the PP! thats why we need an opt out option.

Of course, I know. And I fully support the wish to have an opt-out, it should be availabe for PP, GI, Promotional Usage and Third Party Sales. I think it simply cant be that a photographer cant decide what is happing with his images.

« Reply #416 on: January 23, 2013, 08:48 »
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Guenter, when you hand in the crown all your portfolio goes back into the PP! thats why we need an opt out option.

When you hand in the crown, it doesn't make sense to stop the files from the PP. Handing in the crown without taking files to Shutterstock doesn't make sense, and when you have them at Shutterstock, Thinkstock is not a problem either. At least that's my opinion.

It doesn't help in "protecting" your files to remove them from the PP as well. It doesn't make a big difference if they are on the GI site, on a PP site or on iStock's site. The rules are the same everywhere and they can use your images for deals like this. Just because in this specific case they haven't chosen images from the iStock site directly doesn't say anything about what might be coming up next week or next month or next year.

The other point would be: Do you have images that you think shouldn't be sold through subscription sites at all? Then I think you only have two options: Stay exclusive at iStock; or look for a different venue outside of the microstock world for those images. Just make sure that you know where your agency is going to distribute your images because at many agencies you will find out they are distributing through Getty as well - as can be seen from the images in the Google Drive deal.

« Reply #417 on: January 23, 2013, 08:59 »
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;D
First of all excuse my bad English.
I'm not selling by iStock but I'm with you this deal concern not only who is a istock contributor but all us.
Sincerely I think that Getty/Istock will be on his way, but this may be a signal to other agencies and a beginning to create greater unity between microstocker.
 

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #418 on: January 23, 2013, 09:05 »
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The other point would be: Do you have images that you think shouldn't be sold through subscription sites at all? Then I think you only have two options: Stay exclusive at iStock; or look for a different venue outside of the microstock world for those images. Just make sure that you know where your agency is going to distribute your images because at many agencies you will find out they are distributing through Getty as well - as can be seen from the images in the Google Drive deal.
In addition, read any contract with a very cynical/sceptical/conspiracy theorist's eye.
We were all caught out by the way the iS ASA is worded.

An example from the Alamy contract (RM and RF):
6.4 Alamy has full authority to negotiate all terms of commissions, licences and reproduction rights in the Images including the fee, duration and scope of any licence.

« Reply #419 on: January 23, 2013, 09:14 »
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So far the Feb 2nd projected total of files being deactivated or deleted is 36,058+

This is including projection from the iStock forum
« Last Edit: January 23, 2013, 09:30 by cybernesco »

« Reply #420 on: January 23, 2013, 09:44 »
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Please add my 300 that will definately come down 02 Feb - if I take down any more I'll update here, thanks  :)

« Reply #421 on: January 23, 2013, 09:50 »
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Please add my 300 that will definately come down 02 Feb - if I take down any more I'll update here, thanks  :)

Therefore, So far the Feb 2nd projected total of files being deactivated or deleted is 36,358+

« Reply #422 on: January 23, 2013, 09:53 »
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Please add my 300 that will definately come down 02 Feb - if I take down any more I'll update here, thanks  :)

Sorry forgot to mention .. the ones coming down will include some good sellers either for sensitivity reasons or to reduce risk of them going as freebies.

« Reply #423 on: January 23, 2013, 10:01 »
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I'm tired of Istock..... They've rejected so many of my pictures that are actually selling ok on SS and other sites...... Just got 85 pictures rejected some minutes ago.... And they've already been selling a fair bit on SS for some time now...... Count me in for a very small portfolio of only 33 pictures.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #424 on: January 23, 2013, 10:12 »
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Just got 85 pictures rejected some minutes ago....
That was one h*lluva backup they cleared.


 

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