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« on: February 16, 2017, 12:13 »
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Can anybody explain to me what does that mean?

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One of those keywords, that is framed by "dotted black line" is a scientific (latin) name of a bird so I really don't understand what should I do here. One of the framed keywords is also "wildlife" so I have no clue whats wrong with this keywords.


ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2017, 15:32 »
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Very many species names or Scientific names are not in the CV. Loads of complaints, no resolution. This has been going on for over a year. Previously, if it wasn't in the CV, a buyer in the know could always find it by putting a non-CV keyword phrase into quotes, but that stopped over a year ago, and shortly after that even non-CV keywords became unreachable, at least on new uploads. Then a lot of species which were previously in the CV were remapped to false species, eg my European Siskin pics mapped to Pine Siskin (the North American species). Apparently it's because iS's CV is being 'unified' with Getty's, which seems to be surprisingly limited. There have been lots of complaints and examples on their keyword/search forum, but in fact only a few contributors are involved. If more people complained, something might get done; or it might not. Meanwhile, why submit for 'as low as 2c', which won't happen anyway if your file can't be found.

Typos corrected: phone auto correct  ::)
« Last Edit: February 16, 2017, 18:12 by ShadySue »

« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 16:24 »
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Yeah, but, what about "wildlife". I think it's ok keyword for a bird, or not? And there are tons of other word that are marked like that and I think are appropriate.

For example "sunrise" for this photo.

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/yellow-coloured-vineyard-early-autumn-morning-576796132?src=Al9XmTRYh6dCYfMEJIbIYA-1-3

As for 2cents, right now I'm going to leave my files at istock and see how it goes. If I'll see 2cents sales pouring in I'm outta there...

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 16:30 »
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I have't uploaded for over six months, so I can't speak to any recent problems.
I have read of really surprising keywords not being available under the new system.
Again, I recommend reading and, if necessary, adding to the thread over on iS's forum.
No-one here can help you.

« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 19:05 »
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Very many species names or Scientific names are not in the CV. Loads of complaints, no resolution. This has been going on for over a year. Previously, if it wasn't in the CV, a buyer in the know could always find it by putting a non-CV keyword phrase into quotes, but that stopped over a year ago, and shortly after that even non-CV keywords became unreachable, at least on new uploads. Then a lot of species which were previously in the CV were remapped to false species, eg my European Siskin pics mapped to Pine Siskin (the North American species). Apparently it's because iS's CV is being 'unified' with Getty's, which seems to be surprisingly limited. There have been lots of complaints and examples on their keyword/search forum, but in fact only a few contributors are involved. If more people complained, something might get done; or it might not. Meanwhile, why submit for 'as low as 2c', which won't happen anyway if your file can't be found.

Typos corrected: phone auto correct  ::)
CV just wont work in the "real world"

« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 19:36 »
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Whatever is going on is a massive fail.  I uploaded a number of landscape images that are being rejected for property release required. Here's one of them. I did upload it again. We'll see what happens.  But I got at least 20 rejections for "needs property release" for other landscapes images.

angelawaye

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 22:22 »
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Ask the bears to file a property release - or would they need one too ...

« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 22:28 »
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Very many species names or Scientific names are not in the CV. Loads of complaints, no resolution. This has been going on for over a year. Previously, if it wasn't in the CV, a buyer in the know could always find it by putting a non-CV keyword phrase into quotes, but that stopped over a year ago, and shortly after that even non-CV keywords became unreachable, at least on new uploads. Then a lot of species which were previously in the CV were remapped to false species, eg my European Siskin pics mapped to Pine Siskin (the North American species). Apparently it's because iS's CV is being 'unified' with Getty's, which seems to be surprisingly limited. There have been lots of complaints and examples on their keyword/search forum, but in fact only a few contributors are involved. If more people complained, something might get done; or it might not. Meanwhile, why submit for 'as low as 2c', which won't happen anyway if your file can't be found.

Typos corrected: phone auto correct  ::)
CV just wont work in the "real world"

Right, good idea but unless they put all the words in and keep up, it's a failure.

You need to set terms not just keywords so the match Getty. Any words that don't match or aren't CV won't be searched. It's to our advantage to set Getty words.

alno

« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2017, 05:37 »
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What exactly that dumb site has to start doing to all of you to drop it quietly for ever? :) File returned for revision, property release for a landscape, 2c per download, concealed income data... They are enormous f&*#up in EVERY way you can only imagine. What a patience... 

ShadySue

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2017, 05:43 »
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You need to set terms not just keywords so the match Getty. Any words that don't match or aren't CV won't be searched. It's to our advantage to set Getty words.
It would have been to their advantage had they mapped iS's CV into Getty's instead of rendering presumably many thousands of existing files unsearchable.

Hopefully  if you discover during uploading that  an essential keyword is missing, you can abort the upload - or don't they allow that nowadays?

« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2017, 05:55 »
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Ask the bears to file a property release - or would they need one too ...
... and mother bear, you need sign too.  No joke at getty!

« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2017, 06:56 »
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Ask the bears to file a property release - or would they need one too ...
... and mother bear, you need sign too.  No joke at getty!
Model Release surely?

« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2017, 07:58 »
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2c sales are already happening for nonexclusives and 1c sales for exclusives. Have some self respect people, or at least admit to yourself that you will never stop working with an agency regardless of how they treat you or how little they pay.

Tror

« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2017, 08:07 »
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It`s soooo good to see People still wasting time with unworthy Agencies like Getty. That chews up their time and keeps them from submitting to the important Agencies.

« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2017, 13:23 »
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some parts of nature are privately owned, so you would need a property release, nothing weird about that. the question is, is that waterfall privately owned. could be the case

« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2017, 14:04 »
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anything on Navajo property in the USA needs a release like the slot canyons in Page Arizona

« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2017, 14:34 »
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What exactly that dumb site has to start doing to all of you to drop it quietly for ever?

Stop bringing money

« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2017, 15:48 »
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Why oh why waste your time bothering to upload to that site. :'(

The whole thing is an abomination  >:(

« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2017, 04:07 »
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What exactly that dumb site has to start doing to all of you to drop it quietly for ever?

Stop bringing money
Oh it won't be istock that stops bringing money. It will be the other sites when buyers are signing up to the 90% discounted sub packages on istock and we are getting 5-10% of the scraps we get now. Wake up. Stand up for something or you'll fall for anything.

« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2017, 06:26 »
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Oh it won't be istock that stops bringing money. It will be the other sites when buyers are signing up to the 90% discounted sub packages on istock and we are getting 5-10% of the scraps we get now. Wake up. Stand up for something or you'll fall for anything.

Your suggestion being, stop selling images on IS? I don't know you and you are free to do whatever you want. I have no problem with that.

« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2017, 06:36 »
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Oh it won't be istock that stops bringing money. It will be the other sites when buyers are signing up to the 90% discounted sub packages on istock and we are getting 5-10% of the scraps we get now. Wake up. Stand up for something or you'll fall for anything.

Your suggestion being, stop selling images on IS? I don't know you and you are free to do whatever you want. I have no problem with that.

Of course you are free to do whatever you want. I am only suggesting you think about what you are doing and and act in your own self interest. I can't make you think about it or tell you how to run your business.

You have no obligation to justify it to me, as much as I would like to hear some sort of justification.  Maybe you can convince me as to why it is a good idea to telegraph to every single agency that they are overpaying us by up to 20 times what they need to to get our work? That is precisely what you are doing when you supply work to IStock under an agreement that they can sell licenses for 1 or 2c. Fortunately I think enough people have woken up to this that IStock have put the last nail in their own coffin.

« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2017, 06:46 »
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You have no obligation to justify it to me, as much as I would like to hear some sort of justification.  Maybe you can convince me as to why it is a good idea to telegraph to every single agency that they are overpaying us by up to 20 times what they need to to get our work? That is precisely what you are doing when you supply work to IStock under an agreement that they can sell licenses for 1 or 2c. Fortunately I think enough people have woken up to this that IStock have put the last nail in their own coffin.

I don't know what's a good idea and what's not for IS, and frankly I don't care. I don't work for them. If I decide to stop uploading content for a couple of months or for good, I will not give them an advance notice, nor will they take a disciplinary action if I go on vacation without their approval. They provide a platform that I will use as long as it's worth my while. I will stop when there is nothing in it for me. Not the case yet. All that "united we are, rah rah" talk from anonymous online competition does not make a whole lot of sense to me, sorry.

« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2017, 07:02 »
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You have no obligation to justify it to me, as much as I would like to hear some sort of justification.  Maybe you can convince me as to why it is a good idea to telegraph to every single agency that they are overpaying us by up to 20 times what they need to to get our work? That is precisely what you are doing when you supply work to IStock under an agreement that they can sell licenses for 1 or 2c. Fortunately I think enough people have woken up to this that IStock have put the last nail in their own coffin.

I don't know what's a good idea and what's not for IS, and frankly I don't care. I don't work for them. If I decide to stop uploading content for a couple of months or for good, I will not give them an advance notice, nor will they take a disciplinary action if I go on vacation without their approval. They provide a platform that I will use as long as it's worth my while. I will stop when there is nothing in it for me. Not the case yet. All that "united we are, rah rah" talk from anonymous online competition does not make a whole lot of sense to me, sorry.

What are you talking about? We aren't united. We are in competition.

I am looking for the best outlets for my work and to protect my long to medium term income irrespective of what you do. I am not asking to trust me or do what I do. I am just asking you to engage your brain for your own self interest, you absolutely don't have to.

This is a forum for discussing what we are doing on microstock sites and perhaps why. That is what I am doing. What you do, why you do it and whether you want to talk about is entirely up to you.

You seem to be saying you happily enter contracts without caring what the specifics are as long as the return is above a certain level. That seems odd to me and not how I run my business.

My relationship with IStock is the same as with all the agencies aside from the pathetically low RPD there compared to the others, so I am not sure why their attitude to your vacation time is relevant?

Why should one accept 20x less money for a license sale from them than from Shutterstock or Adobestock? Why do you think Shutterstock or Adobestock will continue to pay us 20X more when they see we will accept 20X less? Again, I am not asking you to join a Union here, I am asking based just on how you run your own business.

You don't have to answer, but spouting ideological BS about free markets isn't really relevant here. What we are discussing is what is in your best interests an agent in the market.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2017, 07:06 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2017, 07:11 »
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You don't have to answer, but spouting ideological BS about free markets isn't really relevant here. What we are discussing is what is in your best interests an agent in the market.

There is nothing ideological about what I say. I do engage my brain, thank you. And I make my own conclusions. But keep thinking I am stupid, uneducated and illiterate, this is to my advantage.

« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2017, 07:28 »
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You don't have to answer, but spouting ideological BS about free markets isn't really relevant here. What we are discussing is what is in your best interests an agent in the market.

There is nothing ideological about what I say. I do engage my brain, thank you. And I make my own conclusions. But keep thinking I am stupid, uneducated and illiterate, this is to my advantage.

To your advantage how? What I think of you or you of me is irreverent outside of pointless internet arguments like this one.

The reason I used the word "ideological" is because that's how the
Quote from: niktol
All that "united we are, rah rah" talk
comment came across. It didn't address anything concrete about what was going on IStock beyond not wanting to act in a way anyone else was on principle.

As I say, you don't need to justify yourself or your actions to me and you really don't seem to be addressing anything about the situation beyond your previous statement that as long as they keep paying you you will keep uploading, irrespective of what they ask for in return.

Don't feel you have to respond if you don't want to, if that is your position I do understand where you are coming from. I am just saying that isn't what I am choosing to do.


 

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