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Author Topic: Google giving photos away free for commercial use and iStock agrees  (Read 256418 times)

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rubyroo

« Reply #625 on: January 14, 2013, 18:07 »
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« Reply #626 on: January 14, 2013, 18:27 »
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...and here's an article on the Connect API:

http://www.fastcompany.com/1817835/connect-getty-images-leaps-21st-century


Here's an interesting line pulled out of that article:

Quote
We're talking about services where creative commons licenses permit sites like Fast Company to use images, perhaps user-submitted ones, to illustrate or decorate their content.


I wonder who will get to decide what those licenses will be...Getty, or the copyright holder? Rhetorical question, I think I know the answer.


« Reply #627 on: January 14, 2013, 19:19 »
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It doesn't appear that GI is deactivating our PP images, as in Thinkstock, even if the IS files are deactivated. How do we get those deactivated as well?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #628 on: January 14, 2013, 19:30 »
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It doesn't appear that GI is deactivating our PP images, as in Thinkstock, even if the IS files are deactivated. How do we get those deactivated as well?

You might have to provide CR with the numbers.
I've heard it can take weeks or even months.
They used to say they'd do it inside two weeks, but that promise didn't hold good for long, and now they say:
"You can add or remove a file from the Partner Program at any time, though it can take up to 30 days to take effect."
(from the PP page accessed via Contributor tools, left hand column, or the SiteMap.)

« Reply #629 on: January 14, 2013, 19:30 »
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I don't use Twitter, so I may be off the mark here - but what about Hashtag: don't be evil?


No one's using #dontbeevil as far as I can tell, but I think it'd be best to have something that shows up in the dropdown list if people are starting a search for something else. So there are #googlefail #googledrive  already, but no #getty. If we had #googledrivefail or #googleimagefail the drop down list would show those below the #google entries as people type. In addition to getting some specific posts organized, it might bring attention from a broader audience.

Any great headline writers with a suggestion along the above lines?

On a slightly different topic, I sent a tweet to Dad Havlik who writes the PDNpulse blog to be sure he knows about it. He's written about photographer-Getty clashes in the past.

« Reply #630 on: January 14, 2013, 19:38 »
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Someone mentioned unfair practice.  I do believe that literally IS/Getty contrat would win in court.  However, not notifying people of what they are doing to their images, future plans to give more away, etc. would qualify.  There a many, many precedents in the archives about all the information and a lot could be gathered to demonstrate that thinking we would/should be notified, that our files and copyrights and model releases would be protecteced is not an unreasabke assumption and IS/Getty was negligent in not doing so.

I think the biggest chance for a successful lawsuit concerns the flagrant disregard for the model releases that ups our liability enormously as well as making innocent people vulnerable to misuse.

lisafx

« Reply #631 on: January 14, 2013, 19:38 »
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I like #googleimagefail.  Not everyone has heard of google drive yet, but everyone has heard of google image.  They might be more likely to click on that. 

Great work all around, btw, JoAnn!

« Reply #632 on: January 14, 2013, 19:40 »
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It doesn't appear that GI is deactivating our PP images, as in Thinkstock, even if the IS files are deactivated. How do we get those deactivated as well?

You might have to provide CR with the numbers.
I've heard it can take weeks or even months.
They used to say they'd do it inside two weeks, but that promise didn't hold good for long, and now they say:
"You can add or remove a file from the Partner Program at any time, though it can take up to 30 days to take effect."
(from the PP page accessed via Contributor tools, left hand column, or the SiteMap.)

Sorry I didn't specify, but I was talking about non-exclusives.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #633 on: January 14, 2013, 19:48 »
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It doesn't appear that GI is deactivating our PP images, as in Thinkstock, even if the IS files are deactivated. How do we get those deactivated as well?

You might have to provide CR with the numbers.
I've heard it can take weeks or even months.
They used to say they'd do it inside two weeks, but that promise didn't hold good for long, and now they say:
"You can add or remove a file from the Partner Program at any time, though it can take up to 30 days to take effect."
(from the PP page accessed via Contributor tools, left hand column, or the SiteMap.)

Sorry I didn't specify, but I was talking about non-exclusives.
I can't see any specificity about the PP page for exclusives.
What does the non-exclusive PP page say?

sc

« Reply #634 on: January 14, 2013, 19:59 »
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It doesn't appear that GI is deactivating our PP images, as in Thinkstock, even if the IS files are deactivated. How do we get those deactivated as well?

You might have to provide CR with the numbers.
I've heard it can take weeks or even months.
They used to say they'd do it inside two weeks, but that promise didn't hold good for long, and now they say:
"You can add or remove a file from the Partner Program at any time, though it can take up to 30 days to take effect."
(from the PP page accessed via Contributor tools, left hand column, or the SiteMap.)

Sorry I didn't specify, but I was talking about non-exclusives.
I can't see any specificity about the PP page for exclusives.
What does the non-exclusive PP page say?

Nothing

Edit:

Partner Program
The links for your uploads that used to be here have been moved to the left navigation at the bottom of the page.The iStockphoto Partner Program makes your files available to Getty Images partner sites, such as Thinkstock and Photos.com.
About the Partner Program
As a non-exclusive contributor to iStock, your entire portfolio will be made available for distribution through our partner sites.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #635 on: January 14, 2013, 20:01 »
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It doesn't appear that GI is deactivating our PP images, as in Thinkstock, even if the IS files are deactivated. How do we get those deactivated as well?

You might have to provide CR with the numbers.
I've heard it can take weeks or even months.
They used to say they'd do it inside two weeks, but that promise didn't hold good for long, and now they say:
"You can add or remove a file from the Partner Program at any time, though it can take up to 30 days to take effect."
(from the PP page accessed via Contributor tools, left hand column, or the SiteMap.)

Sorry I didn't specify, but I was talking about non-exclusives.
I can't see any specificity about the PP page for exclusives.
What does the non-exclusive PP page say?

Nothing

Edit:

Partner Program
The links for your uploads that used to be here have been moved to the left navigation at the bottom of the page.The iStockphoto Partner Program makes your files available to Getty Images partner sites, such as Thinkstock and Photos.com.
About the Partner Program
As a non-exclusive contributor to iStock, your entire portfolio will be made available for distribution through our partner sites.

Oh, of course it wouldn't <hits head> as indies can't opt files out.
You might have to post on the forum to get a rough idea, and contact CR.

Pinocchio

« Reply #636 on: January 14, 2013, 20:03 »
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@HughStoneIan: see my post on page 23 at 9:16 today.

edited to correct page number
« Last Edit: January 14, 2013, 20:05 by Pinocchio »

« Reply #637 on: January 14, 2013, 20:15 »
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Hope you folk don't mind, but I consider it worth repeating something I mentioned earlier, because of the length of this thread:  If you have images in the PP, it is going to take some time to get them deactivated.  If you are deactivating files, I suggest you monitor the PP sites, and e-mail contributor relations with PP image numbers to get them taken down before you close your account (if that's what you decide to do).  I deactivated an image 2012/10/28, and it was still active in the PP two months later.  To their credit, contributor relations removed the images when I contacted them.

Regards
 

Thanks, Pinocchio. So, it looks like double the work for non-exclusives---deactivate images on IS and then track them on Thinkstock for months to make sure they've been deleted and if not, then contact CR to ask them to delete them.
  Fun.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #638 on: January 14, 2013, 20:18 »
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Hope you folk don't mind, but I consider it worth repeating something I mentioned earlier, because of the length of this thread:  If you have images in the PP, it is going to take some time to get them deactivated.  If you are deactivating files, I suggest you monitor the PP sites, and e-mail contributor relations with PP image numbers to get them taken down before you close your account (if that's what you decide to do).  I deactivated an image 2012/10/28, and it was still active in the PP two months later.  To their credit, contributor relations removed the images when I contacted them.

Regards
 

Thanks, Pinocchio. So, it looks like double the work for non-exclusives---deactivate images on IS and then track them on Thinkstock for months to make sure they've been deleted and if not, then contact CR to ask them to delete them.
  Fun.

Especially if you're sure you'll never want to reactivate them, it could be worth contacting CR right away. At the very least it costs them a few seconds to hit the right cookie-cutter reply - if they even bother.

EmberMike

« Reply #639 on: January 14, 2013, 20:45 »
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Oh boy.. I've been barely around the forums lately so I'm totally out of the loop. Not sure what's going on. Looks like I've got some reading to do tonight...


ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #640 on: January 14, 2013, 21:01 »
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Oh boy.. I've been barely around the forums lately so I'm totally out of the loop. Not sure what's going on. Looks like I've got some reading to do tonight...

Better put an ice pack onto your head.

« Reply #641 on: January 15, 2013, 04:10 »
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I think it's a disgrace that they don't remove images from Thinkstock and Photos.com for such a long time after we deactivate them on istock.  Are they legally obliged to remove images from their other sites?  It will be time consuming for us all to monitor this for months on end and our images could still end up being given away for virtually nothing.  I hope there's a way to force them in to doing this quickly.

They might ignore one person complaining about this but there must be hundreds of us deactivating images now.

EmberMike

« Reply #642 on: January 15, 2013, 10:11 »
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Oh boy.. I've been barely around the forums lately so I'm totally out of the loop. Not sure what's going on. Looks like I've got some reading to do tonight...

Better put an ice pack onto your head.

I seriously have a headache. Maybe not entirely related to this, but probably made worse by it.

Microbius gave me a summary of events, which was super helpful, but I've also been skimming this thread and it's stunning how crazy this is. I should be amazed that this is happening, but then again, it's Getty we're talking about. What can really surprise us about that company any more?

« Reply #643 on: January 15, 2013, 11:24 »
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Seems like a class action lawsuit might be the thing to do. It is one thing to use our photos for promotional purposes, it's another to give the photos away without license restriction or compensation. Getty is stretching the legalese in their contributor agreement beyond its intended meaning.

« Reply #644 on: January 15, 2013, 13:48 »
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News - I guess...
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&page=31
Lobo

Posted 9 mins ago
Quote


Posted By leeavison:
Posted By SteveDF:
Another good question.

...that istock HQ continue to ignore.

Hrmm, no we aren't ignoring anything. We've been working on responses and other things since Wednesday of last week. There is lots to this so you can appreciate we aren't going to rush to respond. It would be great if we had answers immediately but we don't. So we will continue to focus on the growing concerns of the contributor base in the hopes of having something together for mid to late this week. I can assure you we are doing our best to get something sooner than later. End of week discussions are always difficult so we are trying to avoid that.

Stay tuned, folks.


Right. It would have never occurred to TPTB that there may be question/objections in light of the latest decisions.  So I guess they were taken totally by surprise by all the whining from contributors.


« Reply #645 on: January 15, 2013, 13:56 »
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They are waiting to gauge the contributor response, before constructing their own "response". 

« Reply #646 on: January 15, 2013, 14:36 »
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To me the long official silence from Getty says, "Go away, be quiet, don't bother us, we have more important things to do right now than worry about your piddly little problems!"

(I really do believe they see this as a "piddly little problem.")

« Reply #647 on: January 15, 2013, 14:50 »
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The parties in the pink isolation chamber must be amazing...no time to check on the low lives... ;D

We are lucky they generously included many top level production studios in their free redistribution deal with google. I think it is their protest, not our hundreds of postings and complaints that is making someone, who is terribly annoyed, look up from his desk or get dragged by another team member to a meeting so that they maybe, just maybe, they will consider coming up with a solution that works.

But maybe they are also just rearranging the latest combination of buzzwords in whatever hip magazine they follow to see if they can come up with a line that will string us along.

I do feel sorry for the people on teh istock team that are genuinly concerned. they must exist, even if they are not allowed to post.


« Reply #648 on: January 15, 2013, 15:09 »
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People have talked about contacting someone in the US Congress about this deal - I'd suggest that since Getty Images is headquartered in Seattle, Washington, it might be worthwhile to contact Washington State's Attorney General. The state attorney generals in the US generally deal with issues such as this - issues where one side believes they have been subject to unfair dealing - They are well set up for this type of thing and may be able to help with advice as well being able to take action on behalf of the photographers.

I'm a tiny contributor there and none of my images appear to be in the deal, so it makes no sense for me to do it - but if someone - especially if there's someone from Washington State - or better yet if a group of people contact the AG's office there, you might make some headway. Good luck!

Just a thought. This deal is terrible for the entire industry. It's tough enough for photographers to make a living - this type of thing just makes it tougher.

« Last Edit: January 15, 2013, 15:12 by wordplanet »

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #649 on: January 15, 2013, 15:22 »
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The parties in the pink isolation chamber must be amazing...no time to check on the low lives... ;D

From jhorrocks, on the price slide thread on iStock:
"Which brings me to another point... have the forums just become someone's sick idea of entertainment?  I get the impression these little changes are being introduced, then Getty execs watch the forums as if they were watching an ant colony being slowly tortured with a magnifying glass.  "Watch them scatter!" .. "Oohh.. we made that one REALLY mad!" ... "HAHAHAHA!" "


 

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