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« Reply #175 on: January 19, 2013, 01:52 »
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Good point.... I presume you mean in case anyone ever wanted proof of financial loss arising out of the Getty-Google deal?


« Reply #176 on: January 19, 2013, 03:26 »
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I wonder how many inboxes look like this?


gillian vann

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« Reply #177 on: January 19, 2013, 03:35 »
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wow! post this to the istock fb wall...?  ;D

« Reply #178 on: January 19, 2013, 03:51 »
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Good point.... I presume you mean in case anyone ever wanted proof of financial loss arising out of the Getty-Google deal?
Yes, just in case one of the deactivated files is part of the next Google Drive collection :  Nice to have proof an image was deactivated BEFORE it went on Google Drive.  We do not have an "opt out" button, but this is our way of opting out.

« Reply #179 on: January 19, 2013, 13:34 »
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I still think having a day where we all start deleting together would send a strong message. 

Do you honestly believe that? I doubt it very much. I think personally the only person you will harm will be yourself, by dropping your income. If you're really p*** off, why not leave completely, surely that would be more positive. They must get thousands of uploads a day, many many thousands, a couple of thousand being deactivated, what will that do? I don't want to sound negative, but this is doomed to failure.

1. Do you really really believe they will still get thousands of uploads a day AFTER THE GOOGLE DEAL?

2. The deactivated images will be definitely more and more than "a couple of thousand". The count of deactivated images will constantly rise and uploading will constantly reduce, it just takes time.

3. Actually many contributors are leaving completely(from IS), cause if they choose to stay, they will be harmed more and more deep. Dropping recent income is much better than dropping the half-life income.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2013, 13:37 by fisherss »

« Reply #180 on: January 19, 2013, 14:01 »
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I still think having a day where we all start deleting together would send a strong message. 

Do you honestly believe that? I doubt it very much. I think personally the only person you will harm will be yourself, by dropping your income. If you're really p*** off, why not leave completely, surely that would be more positive. They must get thousands of uploads a day, many many thousands, a couple of thousand being deactivated, what will that do? I don't want to sound negative, but this is doomed to failure.

1. Do you really really believe they will still get thousands of uploads a day AFTER THE GOOGLE DEAL?

2. The deactivated images will be definitely more and more than "a couple of thousand". The count of deactivated images will constantly rise and uploading will constantly reduce, it just takes time.

3. Actually many contributors are leaving completely(from IS), cause if they choose to stay, they will be harmed more and more deep. Dropping recent income is much better than dropping the half-life income.

  I'm not deactivating because I'm p*** off, or to send a message.  I'm deactivating now to protect my photos. I don't want to quit iStock completely, because a number of things could happen to prevent further sales to Google, or any Company that intends to give our photos away for free. (lawsuits, or the company changes hands again)

  iStock brings me a lot of income, so I hope things turn around. I'll continue to upload and then deactivate upon acceptance, in hopes of a brighter day in the future.

   437 deactivated as of today. Pretty much my whole portfolio except for about 28 with no sales.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2013, 14:28 by rimglow »

« Reply #181 on: January 19, 2013, 14:42 »
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I know this has probably been covered before at least once, but I can't find the info - could someone tell me how to install Sean's Deactivation script?

« Reply #182 on: January 19, 2013, 14:57 »
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I feel like I'm super late to this party, so I'm sorry if this has been answered.  I attempted to read as much as I could here, but I'm still catching up.  I haven't checked in here for a bit, been sick and busy with life... anyhow and thanks to Jo Ann I found out something was up and I needed to get back on here to catch up.  so...

Groundhog day is still a few weeks out.  is everyone deactivating now or on that day?  seems like people are doing it now or is everyone prepping for that?


Some people are just testing with a few images now - using Sean's greasemonkey script to make sure they know what to do and how. Some - Lisa, you know you who are! - got carried away and did several hundred that way.

Some are concerned that in waiting for Feb 2 Getty may give their images away in some other deal and so are deactivating model released images now.

Sean's blog post is a very good summary of what's been going on

I deactivated 10 the other day to test and I'll zap 1,000+ on February 2nd if we don't get anywhere useful by then - for example.

« Reply #183 on: January 19, 2013, 21:22 »
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I know this has probably been covered before at least once, but I can't find the info - could someone tell me how to install Sean's Deactivation script?


Use Firefox, install GreaseMonkey (add-on), install: http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js

« Reply #184 on: January 19, 2013, 22:12 »
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I know this has probably been covered before at least once, but I can't find the info - could someone tell me how to install Sean's Deactivation script?


Use Firefox, install GreaseMonkey (add-on), install: http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js


The problem is, I have the script, I just don't know how to install it. In the past, I've always installed add-ons by going to Firefox's add-on page, picking out the add-ons I wanted,  and then installing them with just one or two mouse clicks. But this is different, I don't know where or how to install the script. It's probably very simple, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it.

lisafx

« Reply #185 on: January 19, 2013, 23:34 »
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The problem is, I have the script, I just don't know how to install it. In the past, I've always installed add-ons by going to Firefox's add-on page, picking out the add-ons I wanted,  and then installing them with just one or two mouse clicks. But this is different, I don't know where or how to install the script. It's probably very simple, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it.
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I just double clicked and the install happened automatically.  If that happened, then you go to your Istock My Uploads page and at the top there's a list of things you can display.  The last of that list is "my uploads options"  If you click that, you get a list with check boxes.  The last one should say "deactivate".  If you click that and then refresh, you should see a column on the right hand side that lets you delete each file.  Let me know if that doesn't work and I or somebody else will try to help out more :)

BTW, you have to have Greasemonkey installed.  do you?

« Reply #186 on: January 20, 2013, 11:19 »
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No I don't have Grease Monkey installed, never used it. Can someone post a link? Thanks.


The problem is, I have the script, I just don't know how to install it. In the past, I've always installed add-ons by going to Firefox's add-on page, picking out the add-ons I wanted,  and then installing them with just one or two mouse clicks. But this is different, I don't know where or how to install the script. It's probably very simple, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it.
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I just double clicked and the install happened automatically.  If that happened, then you go to your Istock My Uploads page and at the top there's a list of things you can display.  The last of that list is "my uploads options"  If you click that, you get a list with check boxes.  The last one should say "deactivate".  If you click that and then refresh, you should see a column on the right hand side that lets you delete each file.  Let me know if that doesn't work and I or somebody else will try to help out more :)

BTW, you have to have Greasemonkey installed.  do you?

Poncke

« Reply #187 on: January 20, 2013, 11:24 »
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No I don't have Grease Monkey installed, never used it. Can someone post a link? Thanks.
sigh http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Grease+Monkey

« Reply #188 on: January 20, 2013, 11:31 »
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In an earlier post, I mentioned that I have had my Vetta images removed from the Vetta collection back to the main collection. Unfortunately, I found out afterwards that this does not guarantee that they would be removed from Getty's site if they've been mirrored there. (I'm still not sure if they have been -- I've tried once to figure out how to look for them there and got nowhere. AFAIK, I've never had a sale there.) It appears that one of Getty's convenient (for them) inefficiencies is that they can't move images into and out of collections on the Getty site.

Fortunately, these Vetta images did not involve models and, AFAIK, were the only ones of my portfolio that were vulnerable to the Google deal. Nevertheless, I don't want them given away on Google, so I'd like to know what happens if I deactivate them on iStock. Does that prevent them from being sold or given away to Google from Getty's site or not? If yes, I'll deactivate them on D-Day along with my remaining MR images.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #189 on: January 20, 2013, 11:43 »
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If they're still on Getty, they can still be sold from Getty. But check this page:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350645&page=2#post6824553 if you haven't already.

Of course, just because the last lot sold from Getty and TS, it doesn't mean the next batch wouldn't come from images on iS only.

To find your own images on Getty, click on Advanced Search, put your photographer's name as used on Getty in the Search Field. Immediately under the search box in advanced search is a dropdown with the default 'keywords or Image #'. Choose photographer from the dropdown there.

« Reply #190 on: January 20, 2013, 11:46 »
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No I don't have Grease Monkey installed, never used it. Can someone post a link? Thanks.
sigh http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Grease+Monkey


That did it! I'm all set now, thanks.

« Reply #191 on: January 20, 2013, 12:17 »
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If they're still on Getty, they can still be sold from Getty. But check this page:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350645&page=2#post6824553 if you haven't already.

Of course, just because the last lot sold from Getty and TS, it doesn't mean the next batch wouldn't come from images on iS only.

To find your own images on Getty, click on Advanced Search, put your photographer's name as used on Getty in the Search Field. Immediately under the search box in advanced search is a dropdown with the default 'keywords or Image #'. Choose photographer from the dropdown there.


Thanks for this information. The advanced search didn't work exactly as described above (the "keywords or image #" dropdown box was greyed out and unusable) but when I just searched on my username, I got two E+ images that I removed from E+ last week. I guess they'll stay on Getty until Getty feels like getting around to removing them, if ever. Neither of the Vetta images is there.

Fortunately, the E+ images are not MR either and they weren't included in the first batch sent over to Google, but I guess I should check the new ones showing up. I read somewhere that the transfer to Google has continued apace in the last week and there are nearly 8000 images there now.

I wasn't able to follow the link to the iStock forum that you provided. It just went to the main Forum page that lists all the different forums. Did it contain information about what happens on Getty if you deactivate images on iStock? It appears that I need to consider deactivating both the former Vetta and former E+ images. I may do it anyway, but it's infuriating if even that won't prevent Getty from giving them away. And, as you say, they may be coming for the main iStock collection soon and probably without any warning. I'm very close to just shutting down my account.

ETA: if my Vetta images are not currently showing on Getty, would deactivating them on iStock prevent them from going over there now?


ShadySue

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« Reply #192 on: January 20, 2013, 12:27 »
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Sorry, can't imagne why the Getty dropdown doesn't work for you.

Sorry x2, you mentioned Vetta, but I missed that you'd dropped exclusivity, and that link I posted was to the Exclusive forum.

I'm not sure how to summarise it, it seems that no one really knows for sure what happens when you 'demote' your Vetta files, and certainly not in which timescale. Same with E+ files that were already mirrored.

Specifically, Michael Jay asked:
"If someone drops exclusivity, all his files are going to move collection. Does it mean, they are not going to disappear from Getty then?"

To which Oldladybird replied:
"Michael, all this Connector stuff is confusing for me too so I'm going to try and get the correct answer from the Connector guys downstairs. I'll post here as soon as I know what happens with exclusivity."

(as though there was some doubt as to whether she'd be given the correct answer, the way I read it.)

That was on Friday, so no hope of an answer before iStock business hours tomorrow.


« Reply #193 on: January 20, 2013, 12:55 »
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Sorry, can't imagne why the Getty dropdown doesn't work for you.

Sorry x2, you mentioned Vetta, but I missed that you'd dropped exclusivity, and that link I posted was to the Exclusive forum.

I'm not sure how to summarise it, it seems that no one really knows for sure what happens when you 'demote' your Vetta files, and certainly not in which timescale. Same with E+ files that were already mirrored.

Specifically, Michael Jay asked:
"If someone drops exclusivity, all his files are going to move collection. Does it mean, they are not going to disappear from Getty then?"

To which Oldladybird replied:
"Michael, all this Connector stuff is confusing for me too so I'm going to try and get the correct answer from the Connector guys downstairs. I'll post here as soon as I know what happens with exclusivity."

(as though there was some doubt as to whether she'd be given the correct answer, the way I read it.)

That was on Friday, so no hope of an answer before iStock business hours tomorrow.

No, I haven't dropped exclusivity (yet.) I can see the Exclusive forums but the link didn't take me there -- it just took me to the main page so I didn't know which forum you were linking too. Anyway, you summarized the information, for which I thank you, and I'll go and look tomorrow if there are any answers. Not that I think there will be, of course....

It's an interesting question about dropping exclusivity. I would not do so unless and until I'm ready to quit iStock altogether. I don't want images going to Thinkstock and I'm not interested in doing the rounds of other microstock agencies; I'm going in another direction altogether. So I'll maintain exclusivity as long as I stay at iStock.

The real dilemma for me is whether the main collection will remain protected from Google or similar deals and whether we'll receive any notification that it will no longer be so protected. If it remains protected, I might just leave the remnants of my portfolio there to collect a few pennies from time to time. If it does not remain protected, I'll close the account.

I'm waiting to see what, if anything, Getty/iStock says about this. Of course, it's hard to trust anything they do say so it would probably be smart to just close the account and be done with it. But I really want to know how long Getty intends to hang on to images after we've deactivated them, moved them from collections or closed our account.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #194 on: January 20, 2013, 13:08 »
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It's an interesting question about dropping exclusivity. I would not do so unless and until I'm ready to quit iStock altogether. I don't want images going to Thinkstock and I'm not interested in doing the rounds of other microstock agencies; I'm going in another direction altogether. So I'll maintain exclusivity as long as I stay at iStock.

The real dilemma for me is whether the main collection will remain protected from Google or similar deals and whether we'll receive any notification that it will no longer be so protected. If it remains protected, I might just leave the remnants of my portfolio there to collect a few pennies from time to time. If it does not remain protected, I'll close the account.

I'm in the same postion. I want TS even less than I want SS, and have no interest in any of the others. I think it's highly unlikely that we'll get any sort of guarantee about our content, and as you suggest, what does an iStock promise amount to anyway?

Luckily, I'll still eat even if I deactivate altogether.

Oh, just found out that link works for me when I'm logged in in FF, but not when I'm logged out in IE. Don't know if IE is the issue (?). Anyway, there are only two pages in the new TAC/VETTA/E+ 2013 thread in the Exclusive forum as of now, and the page I quoted was the second. It may be worth reading the two pages, which are asking the sort of questions you're asking, but not with concrete answers.

Good luck whatever you decide.

« Reply #195 on: January 20, 2013, 14:21 »
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It's an interesting question about dropping exclusivity. I would not do so unless and until I'm ready to quit iStock altogether. I don't want images going to Thinkstock and I'm not interested in doing the rounds of other microstock agencies; I'm going in another direction altogether. So I'll maintain exclusivity as long as I stay at iStock.

The real dilemma for me is whether the main collection will remain protected from Google or similar deals and whether we'll receive any notification that it will no longer be so protected. If it remains protected, I might just leave the remnants of my portfolio there to collect a few pennies from time to time. If it does not remain protected, I'll close the account.

I'm in the same postion. I want TS even less than I want SS, and have no interest in any of the others. I think it's highly unlikely that we'll get any sort of guarantee about our content, and as you suggest, what does an iStock promise amount to anyway?

Luckily, I'll still eat even if I deactivate altogether.

Oh, just found out that link works for me when I'm logged in in FF, but not when I'm logged out in IE. Don't know if IE is the issue (?). Anyway, there are only two pages in the new TAC/VETTA/E+ 2013 thread in the Exclusive forum as of now, and the page I quoted was the second. It may be worth reading the two pages, which are asking the sort of questions you're asking, but not with concrete answers.

Good luck whatever you decide.

Thanks. I recall now that I did view the TAC/VETTA/E+ 2013 before so I'll go and check it again for more recent posts and keep an eye on it this week to see if anything's forthcoming from iStock. Maybe I'll see a unicorn too -- it seems equally likely.

« Reply #196 on: January 20, 2013, 14:33 »
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Nevertheless, I don't want them given away on Google, so I'd like to know what happens if I deactivate them on iStock. Does that prevent them from being sold or given away to Google from Getty's site or not? If yes, I'll deactivate them on D-Day along with my remaining MR images.

Having deactivated some E+ images more than a week ago because I want to submit them somewhere else exclusively, I can tell you: Deactivating them on iStock does not remove them (quickly) from Getty.

I will wait a few more days to see if my non-exclusivity (as of yesterday) will remove my files from Getty quickly.

Otherwise iStock support might be able to help. When I removed my images from the PP, almost all got removed quickly with a few files remaining. They had them pulled manually within a few more days after writing to support.

« Reply #197 on: January 20, 2013, 15:05 »
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Nevertheless, I don't want them given away on Google, so I'd like to know what happens if I deactivate them on iStock. Does that prevent them from being sold or given away to Google from Getty's site or not? If yes, I'll deactivate them on D-Day along with my remaining MR images.

Having deactivated some E+ images more than a week ago because I want to submit them somewhere else exclusively, I can tell you: Deactivating them on iStock does not remove them (quickly) from Getty.

I will wait a few more days to see if my non-exclusivity (as of yesterday) will remove my files from Getty quickly.

Otherwise iStock support might be able to help. When I removed my images from the PP, almost all got removed quickly with a few files remaining. They had them pulled manually within a few more days after writing to support.

Thanks for that information. I may try to see if I can get iStock to get my E+ pulled from Getty. There's only two of them and they're the only images currently vulnerable to being shipped off to Google, as far as I know.

It would also be a way of highlighting my personal objections about this mess to iStock. Not that it would make any difference to them, but it would give me a little bit of satisfaction.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #198 on: January 20, 2013, 20:48 »
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Deactivated 19, but don't know where the running total is.

« Reply #199 on: January 20, 2013, 22:07 »
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For the sake of accuracy in keeping the tally total, may I suggest that from now on anybody deactivating or deleting files from IS, report their numbers to the D-Day thread. I have been keeping tab in that thread. This number being reported should be from files that you are deactivating or deleting because of the recent Getty / Google deal or because it is one of many reasons. The reported number should be, from now on, one that has not been reported yet in any MSG thread and one that would totaled actual deleted or deactivated files plus the ones that you are committed to delete or deactivate on or around Feb 2nd. Thanks




 

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