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« on: January 03, 2010, 11:51 »
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I was unclear as to the requirements for being eligible for canister grandfathering at IS. They said that if you contacted them, arrangements could be made to allow that, but there weren't many details. This has to be done by Jan. 11. I did not know if that meant we only needed to express intent to go exclusive, or actually commit by Jan. 11.

Here is what the email says when you inquire about the canister grandfathering:

Thank you for your interest in iStockphotos exclusivity program. As you have identified that you are previously committed to another agency that currently prevents you from entering iStockphotos exclusivity agreement, we have sent you the attached form which we will require by January 11 to grandfather your canister level once you are exclusive.

Along with this document, we will require that you attach documentation as evidence showing that the request to remove the content has been made. This can be a screenshot or an email showing that you have completed this process. Please note, all obligations with different agencies must be met prior to August 1, 2009.

Once you have fulfilled your obligations with other agencies, you may go through the regular method of applying for exclusivity on our site (exclusivity requirements must be met), however we will have your documentation so your download numbers will be recognized for what canister level you would be at prior to our changes. Please let us know if you have any additional questions.

Sincerely,
Contributor Relations
iStockphoto LP


So in order to get the canister grandfathering, you must make an exclusivity commitment by Jan. 11 and submit signed documentation.


« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 11:58 »
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I'm not interested in going exclusive but even if I was, I couldn't comply with this line without going back in time.  Perhaps this was just for those that were already going through the exclusive procedure?

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Please note, all obligations with different agencies must be met prior to August 1, 2009.

« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 12:12 »
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... all obligations with different agencies must be met prior to August 1, 2009.

Don't they mean: prior to August, 2010?

« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 14:47 »
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... Along with this document, we will require that you attach documentation as evidence showing that the request to remove the content has been made. This can be a screenshot or an email showing that you have completed this process. Please note, all obligations with different agencies must be met prior to August 1, 2009

And i wonder... what about those accounts which can be closed at any time (like SS)?  Must you show documentation by Jan 11 that you have requested SS account removal? If so, you would lose SS income and still would not receive any raise from IS because you still have obligations with Dreamstime...    ???

« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2010, 17:17 »
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I believe that you only need to contact them that you are making the moves to be Exclusive by Jan.  11th.  As for how best to proceed, if you're serious about it you have nothing to lose by talking to IS Support next week.

Yes, you might take a hit for a month of two.

lisafx

« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 18:43 »
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I wrote to IS support last week but haven't gotten that reply yet.  There is no way I could meet those requirements, though.  I have images tied up until at least November.  And being unable to go exclusive until November there is  absolutely NO WAY I would  request deletion at the other sites and suffer along on less than half income for almost a year waiting to be istock exclusive.

Looks like IS are doing there best to push me off the fence - in the direction of staying independent!

« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 18:58 »
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I wrote to IS support last week but haven't gotten that reply yet.  There is no way I could meet those requirements, though.  I have images tied up until at least November.  And being unable to go exclusive until November there is  absolutely NO WAY I would  request deletion at the other sites and suffer along on less than half income for almost a year waiting to be istock exclusive.

Looks like IS are doing there best to push me off the fence - in the direction of staying independent!

That's exactly my point.    Accepting to lose income for months from the other agencies while waiting to be IS exclusive is not very smart

KB

« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 18:59 »
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And i wonder... what about those accounts which can be closed at any time (like SS)?  Must you show documentation by Jan 11 that you have requested SS account removal? If so, you would lose SS income and still would not receive any raise from IS because you still have obligations with Dreamstime...    ???

I wrote to IS support about this, and the answer seemed to be, yes. You must request removal of all content by Jan 11, even if you cannot (or do not) become exclusive until Aug.

I find that position to be unfair and unprofessional. It's one thing to ask for a commitment of exclusivity, but it's quite another to ask that we give up 6 months of income while we are waiting to become exclusive.

BOO to IS.  >:(  :(  I feel their promise of grandfathering exclusives was mostly an empty one.

lisafx

« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 19:07 »
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BOO to IS.  >:(  :(  I feel their promise of grandfathering exclusives was mostly an empty one.

This is becoming pretty typical of istock - they institute negative  site changes and then when people complain they hold out a carrot in the forums along the lines of "contact support and we will work with you".  Then when people actually take them up on it, it turns out they are less than helpful. 

They did the same thing to buyers about grandfathering in previous  prices for images that turned Vetta.  Buyers were told to write support and  then support told them they were SOL and they had to pay the higher prices.  :-\

« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2010, 19:13 »
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And i wonder... what about those accounts which can be closed at any time (like SS)?  Must you show documentation by Jan 11 that you have requested SS account removal? If so, you would lose SS income and still would not receive any raise from IS because you still have obligations with Dreamstime...    ???

I wrote to IS support about this, and the answer seemed to be, yes. You must request removal of all content by Jan 11, even if you cannot (or do not) become exclusive until Aug.

I find that position to be unfair and unprofessional. It's one thing to ask for a commitment of exclusivity, but it's quite another to ask that we give up 6 months of income while we are waiting to become exclusive.

BOO to IS.  >:(  :(  I feel their promise of grandfathering exclusives was mostly an empty one.

Thank you for the confirmation KB.

KB

« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2010, 19:25 »
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Thank you for the confirmation KB.

Let me add that that despite numerous email conversations with support, I am still not 100% sure that that is what they require.  ;D

Someone in my CN believes that simply emailing each site that we INTEND to delete our images by such-and-such a date is sufficient. If that's the case, it isn't too bad (except for sites such as FT, which may close your account immediately if you write them of such intentions!).

Still on the fence.

« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 20:22 »
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If they ask for immediate deletion, that sounds mean.

Can someone clarify this?

« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 20:24 »
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Sorry, I'm a bit lost here.  It sounds like all you have to do is fill out that form about DT and then do the others by August whatever.

"As you have identified that you are previously committed to another agency that currently prevents you from entering iStockphotos exclusivity agreement, we have sent you the attached form which we will require by January 11 to grandfather your canister level once you are exclusive."

"we will require that you attach documentation as evidence showing that the request to remove the content has been made."

The agency currently preventing you is DT.  Attach the documentation the request to remove has been made.  Problem solved, right?


« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 20:31 »
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It's not a problem for me to make this commitment to IS and apply for exclusivity before August 1, but why does IS ask us to offend other agencies months before we can delete the photos?

Sean, its not only DT, there are others too. Besides, why do I want to delete SS and FT and suffer from decreased income before I can even remove photos from DT?

Hope IS can be a bit more considerate to its fans.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 20:33 by Freedom »

« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 20:35 »
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Who said you have to delete SS and FT?  The mail says "Please note, all obligations with different agencies must be met prior to August 1, 2009."  So, as I said, the agency preventing you is DT.  Start the process, sign the form, since the others aren't preventing you, and finish the others by August.

I don't think IS is out to screw anyone with this one.  Just another confusing email.

« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2010, 20:46 »
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Sean, I am going to follow your advice. Hope you are right.

« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2010, 20:49 »
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Keep your fingers crossed :).  Sometimes I'm wrong...

« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2010, 20:57 »
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But it still sounds like IS wants us to offend other agencies. Why is it necessary?

« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2010, 21:04 »
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But it still sounds like IS wants us to offend other agencies. Why is it necessary?

What do you mean, offend?  If you want to be exclusive, the stuff has to come down.

« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2010, 21:22 »
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Of course, but why now? Knowing some sites are touchy about it.

« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2010, 21:49 »
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Sean, I am going to follow your advice. Hope you are right.

He usually is. I think some peeps are reading way too much in between the lines. Istock want you to go exclusive and are therefore offering to be flexible to help you to do so. Obviously there's a limit to what they can offer but they do want to work with you to achieve a common objective.

« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2010, 05:07 »
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Who said you have to delete SS and FT?  The mail says "Please note, all obligations with different agencies must be met prior to August 1, 2009."  So, as I said, the agency preventing you is DT.  Start the process, sign the form, since the others aren't preventing you, and finish the others by August.

I don't think IS is out to screw anyone with this one.  Just another confusing email.
Is this a typo or are they only helping people who have been waiting to leave DT for the past 6 months?  I could understand if it was August 2010 but that's 9 months away, if they want people to decide by the January deadline, they should be able to leave DT in 6 months.

« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2010, 05:47 »
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Who said you have to delete SS and FT?  The mail says "Please note, all obligations with different agencies must be met prior to August 1, 2009."  So, as I said, the agency preventing you is DT.  Start the process, sign the form, since the others aren't preventing you, and finish the others by August.

I don't think IS is out to screw anyone with this one.  Just another confusing email.
Is this a typo or are they only helping people who have been waiting to leave DT for the past 6 months?  I could understand if it was August 2010 but that's 9 months away, if they want people to decide by the January deadline, they should be able to leave DT in 6 months.
1st August 2010 is less than 7 months away.

« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2010, 08:16 »
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Just another confusing email.

You are right. Look at all the questions there are. Even when people email and call support directly, they are still confused. This is the part that gets me. I haven't seen IS taking ANY steps to clarify EXACTLY what they are offering. If there is a thread somewhere on the IS site or forum, or a thread posted here from admin at IS, please let me know, because I have missed it.

Here is the copy from the pdf that is attached and sent with the email I originally posted:

Confirmation of Termination of Non-Exclusivity
A. You (which, for greater clarity, is the undersigned) have expressed a desire to provide Exclusive Content (as defined in the Artist Supply Agreement (Excusive) found at www.istockphoto.com (the Exclusive ASA) to iStockphoto LP (iStockphoto).
B. You are under contract with other entities to provide some or all of what would be your Exclusive Content (under the Exclusive ASA) contrary to the Exclusive ASA.
C. On February 24, 2010, iStockphoto will amend the number of downloads required by a member to meet the established canister levels (the Amended Canister Requirements).
D. Where members of iStockphoto.com agree to be bound by the Exclusive ASA prior to January 11, 2010, iStockphoto has agreed that the Amended Canister Requirements will not apply to you until you have reached the next canister level (ie. if you are Silver, the Amended Canister Requirements will not apply until you reach the Gold canister) (this is referred to as Grandfather).
E. You have given the applicable termination notice to all entities (other than iStockphoto) that license or otherwise distribute what would otherwise be your Exclusive Content, however you are unable to comply with the Exclusive ASA until certain notice periods expire, which dates are following January 11, 2010.
F. In consideration of your confirmation of termination of non-exclusivity and other valuable covenants set out below, iStockphoto agrees to Grandfather your next canister level.
1. As at todays date, you confirm that your Exclusive Content is available for license or other distribution by the following parties at the location identified below (insert name of agent, the website where your Exclusive Content is licensed and your member name at that website):
a. ____________________________________________________________
b. ____________________________________________________________
c. ____________________________________________________________
d. ____________________________________________________________
e. ____________________________________________________________
2. You confirm that you have provided all applicable notice to each of the above entities to remove your Exclusive Content as at the date set out below and such Exclusive Content shall be removed from distribution on the dates set out below:
Location of Sale (ie. website)
Date of Notice
Date Exclusive Content shall be removed

3. Attached to this Agreement as Schedule A is evidence of the termination notice that you have provided to entities other than iStockphoto with respect to your Exclusive Content (ie. e-mails and confirmations of receipt, screen shots, etc.).
4. You agree to be in full compliance with the Exclusive ASA, including application and acceptance as an Exclusive member of iStockphoto.com by not later than August 1, 2010, failing which iStockphoto shall be under no Grandfather obligation to you.
5. You acknowledge and confirm that all of the terms and conditions contained in the Artist Supply Agreement (Non-Exclusive) that you are currently subject to are and shall remain in full force and effect, in accordance with the provisions thereof. If the Artist Supply Agreement (Non-Exclusive) is terminated for any reason prior to the compliance with Section 4, iStockphoto shall be under no Grandfather obligation to you.
6. This Agreement may be executed by facsimile or digitally.
Agreed this ____________ day of _________________, 20____.
___________________________ Signature
___________________________ Name
___________________________ iStockphoto member name
___________________________ Witness Signature, if you are an individual
___________________________ Witness Name, if you are an individual


What Sean is saying may be true...we do not have to remove our content from the other sites until the last moment. BUT, we must give all sites notice that we are going to become exclusive. At least that's how I'm reading 2. and 3. This form must be submitted by Jan. 11 and we have to attach proof that we have already given the other sites notice.

Attached to this Agreement as Schedule A is evidence of the termination notice that you have provided to entities other than iStockphoto with respect to your Exclusive Content (ie. e-mails and confirmations of receipt, screen shots, etc.).

If I have to attach Schedule A with evidence that I have sent an email to Shutterstock notifying them that in May I am going to become exclusive with IS, that means I need to alienate a vendor relationship to comply with IS's rules. I may not have to take my photos down, but what do you think is going to happen to those businesses? a. contributors that have given notice get screwed in the best match. After all, when you have loyal and good contributors, or contributors that are going to be leaving, which will you take care of? or b. the other microstock sites will have to do something to compete.

This could go either way, and I don't think I am willing to treat the other sites this way just to grandfather my canister at IS. I may still contemplate exclusivity, but I don't want to play this game.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2010, 08:23 by cclapper »

« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2010, 08:37 »
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I don't see the problem.  Can't really see a site placing your files lower in a search because your leaving.  Just saying if it was me I would try to made as much money on those files before you pull them off my site.

« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2010, 09:20 »
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"E. You have given the applicable termination notice to all entities (other than iStockphoto) that license or otherwise distribute what would otherwise be your Exclusive Content, however you are unable to comply with the Exclusive ASA until certain notice periods expire, which dates are following January 11, 2010."

As I read this, you would need to notify and terminate or start the process by 1.11.10 .  That and this :

"You agree to be in full compliance with the Exclusive ASA, including application and acceptance as an Exclusive member of iStockphoto.com by not later than August 1, 2010"

... does seem to indicate that cclapper is correct - "we do not have to remove our content from the other sites until the last moment. BUT, we must give all sites notice that we are going to become exclusive. At least that's how I'm reading 2. and 3. This form must be submitted by Jan. 11 and we have to attach proof that we have already given the other sites notice."

I dunno.  Not how I would have put it all together.

« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2010, 10:40 »
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Me neither.

Giving IS intent on becoming exclusive by Jan. 11, and upholding obligations re: notice to other sites and pulling down images and complying with IS's exclusivity agreement by Aug., grandfathering of the canister would be expected. If obligations were not upheld per their exclusivity terms and one decided NOT to go exclusive, then things would remain as they are for the contributor at IS in Aug., with the new canister levels in effect.

I just don't think it wise to have to notify all the other sites by Jan. 11. It is unnecessary. If one's longest contract is up in, say March, then that site shouldn't need to be notified until then. As long as intent is sent to IS by Jan. 11, and all images are pulled from other sites by Aug., then canister grandfathering should be allowed.

lisafx

« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2010, 11:38 »
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To those exclusives who don't think there will be damage to the relationship with the other agencies once somebody declares their intentions to pull all images, you obviously have never dealt with the other agencies.  There will be repercussions. 

Personally, I don't qualify for the August deadline, so it is a moot issue.  Even if I did, I would rather blow off black diamond and keep my options open.

« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2010, 13:22 »
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You guys are making the assumption that there is individual contributor level control in the search results, which is highly unlikely as it would probably require a pretty big load on the servers to do that kind of adjustment specific to each contributor.  The biggest issue I see might be Fotolia, who might drop you right away.

In Lisa's case, I'd like to point out that the document states that iStock is under no obligation to grandfather the canister if you can't get free until after August 1st.  That doesn't mean they still won't do it.  Might be worthwhile to see if they can be flexible for that date for your specific circumstances Lisa.

I think everyone else is worrying too much over what the other companies might do.  I just can't convince myself they have the will or ability for retribution via search placement.  Contractual agreements might also prevent them from cutting off the relationship earlier than the date you specified, let alone the bad word of mouth they might get among potential new contributors. 

lisafx

« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2010, 13:44 »
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In Lisa's case, I'd like to point out that the document states that iStock is under no obligation to grandfather the canister if you can't get free until after August 1st.  That doesn't mean they still won't do it.  Might be worthwhile to see if they can be flexible for that date for your specific circumstances Lisa.



I guess I will find out if/when they respond to the support ticket I sent last week.  To be honest I am not going to sweat it too much.  There is no real value to BD at this point - beyond bragging rights ;)

traveler1116

« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2010, 06:00 »
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They told me in a message from support:
"Thank you very much for your message.

You will need to be exclusive before the change takes place February 24th. If you are exclusive at the time of change, yes, your level will be grandfathered in.

Please let us know if you have any questions."

KB

« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2010, 10:33 »
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They told me in a message from support:
"Thank you very much for your message.

You will need to be exclusive before the change takes place February 24th. If you are exclusive at the time of change, yes, your level will be grandfathered in.

Please let us know if you have any questions."
What?

But that's 100%, positively, WRONG, based on everything we've read in this thread.

I don't get it. I thought iStock support was always among the very best. Yet they can't get this very simple yet vital point figured out?

« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2010, 11:00 »
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But that's 100%, positively, WRONG, based on everything we've read in this thread.

Please realize I don't know any more than anyone else here and this is strictly my opinion, but maybe that grandfathering offer is different for different people? Maybe it depends on the size of your port, subject matter, number of downloads, etc.? That's one reason I can see for different people getting different answers.

IS has never been transparent. They lock threads and/or delete them when you ask too many questions, they have in the past insisted that exclusives don't get special treatment other than what they make public, but we all know how the best match changes, etc. They keep their business pretty close to their chest. We know what they want us to know. If I were going to be silly, I would even say that when a person becomes exclusive, they must sign a code of honor that forbids them from speaking and revealing all of Getty's internal secrets or a curse will be cast upon them. (I am kidding here, people)

I can't say that I find one person's answer to the inquiry different than someone else's all that surprising. And to be fair to IS, if I were requesting that canister grandfathering, I would hope that my past performance, portfolio, etc. would be evaluated differently than, say, a person with 20 images in their port and no downloads. There is a caste system at IS and it is just the way the game is played. You're either on board with the games, or you're not. They are looking for the best contributors. Like it or not, some folks are going to be disqualified and sent to the bench.

Heck I don't even know if I were to apply for exclusivity, I would get it. It's not like I'm an sjlocke or anything. :)
« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 11:02 by cclapper »

KB

« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2010, 11:43 »
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f I were going to be silly, I would even say that when a person becomes exclusive, they must sign a code of honor that forbids them from speaking and revealing all of Getty's internal secrets or a curse will be cast upon them. (I am kidding here, people)
Actually, I doubt that's silly at all. I would expect that the exclusivity agreement contains wording to that effect. I know that when I worked for a major corporation, they had verbiage in my employment contract that specifically forbade me against revealing trade secrets, confidential information, etc. And they were very serious about it.

I hadn't thought that they might treat different contributors differently. Perhaps they do indeed do that, but I'd rather hoped they didn't.

« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2010, 12:40 »
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I can't say that I find one person's answer to the inquiry different than someone else's all that surprising. And to be fair to IS, if I were requesting that canister grandfathering, I would hope that my past performance, portfolio, etc. would be evaluated differently than, say, a person with 20 images in their port and no downloads. There is a caste system at IS and it is just the way the game is played. You're either on board with the games, or you're not. They are looking for the best contributors. Like it or not, some folks are going to be disqualified and sent to the bench.

Heck I don't even know if I were to apply for exclusivity, I would get it. It's not like I'm an sjlocke or anything. :)

I would guess that support is incorrect in this case.  It would make sense for the offer of "holding" exclusivity at current levels for people with commitments to be even across the board.  I don't see the advantage to saying this for him and that for her.  I would contact support again.

« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2010, 23:05 »
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What's happening? Has anyone applied?

traveler1116

« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2010, 01:28 »
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They told me in a message from support:
"Thank you very much for your message.

You will need to be exclusive before the change takes place February 24th. If you are exclusive at the time of change, yes, your level will be grandfathered in.

Please let us know if you have any questions."
What?

But that's 100%, positively, WRONG, based on everything we've read in this thread.

I don't get it. I thought iStock support was always among the very best. Yet they can't get this very simple yet vital point figured out?
I'm going forward with exclusivity based on this email from support.  Hopefully anyone else considering exclusivity would get the same treatment.

abimages

« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2010, 04:18 »
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I made the decision to go exclusive before this issue kicked off. Luckily I can meet the Feb deadline.
I have also received confirmation from support that I will be grandfathered if I apply before the Feb cut-off date. :)

« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2010, 08:26 »
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After rereading traveler's email from IS support, it makes sense that some would receive that type of email and others the one I posted earlier. If someone is all ready to go exclusive (meaning they had already given DT their notice and are at the tail end of their term, etc) and can do so by Feb. 24, there isn't any need for them to get the long email...that email is only for people who have commitments they can't get out of by Feb.

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But that's 100%, positively, WRONG, based on everything we've read in this thread.

No, that's also what the long email says too. One email is for those who have already fulfilled their other commitments (if they had any) and are all ready to go exclusive. The other long email with the pdf is for those who can't make it to exclusivity by Feb. 24, but want to be grandfathered in.

KB

« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2010, 12:49 »
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After rereading traveler's email from IS support, it makes sense that some would receive that type of email and others the one I posted earlier. If someone is all ready to go exclusive (meaning they had already given DT their notice and are at the tail end of their term, etc) and can do so by Feb. 24, there isn't any need for them to get the long email...that email is only for people who have commitments they can't get out of by Feb.
You're absolutely right; I hadn't thought of that.

Thank you, Cathy.

« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2010, 15:24 »
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What is "canister grandfathering"?

abimages

« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2010, 15:49 »
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lisafx

« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2010, 19:03 »
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As opposed to "grandfather canistering":
http://bit.ly/5gIUSl


ROFL!  ;D

« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2010, 00:12 »
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As opposed to "grandfather canistering":
http://bit.ly/5gIUSl


 :D  ;D Good thing you weren't in the same room when I read that, otherwise you would have urned yourself a poke in the arm  ::)

« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2010, 09:06 »
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What is "canister grandfathering"?

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=151691&page=1


Ok, it says:
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Current contributors will be grandfathered in to their existing levels. So if you have 15,000 downloads when the change happens, you will remain at your gold canister for the purposes of upload limits and Exclusive royalties. No contributor will drop a level.


So what is the discussion about "exclusivity"? I am bronze non-exclusive and will remain bronze, right?

« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2010, 09:15 »
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So what is the discussion about "exclusivity"? I am bronze non-exclusive and will remain bronze, right?

It means that if you email IS before 11th Jan, expressing your intention to go exclusive asap, then you will still get your Silver canister at 2500 DL's and the extra commission that goes with it. Otherwise you'll have to wait until you have 5000 DL's for Silver.

« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2010, 09:37 »
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So what is the discussion about "exclusivity"? I am bronze non-exclusive and will remain bronze, right?

It means that if you email IS before 11th Jan, expressing your intention to go exclusive asap, then you will still get your Silver canister at 2500 DL's and the extra commission that goes with it. Otherwise you'll have to wait until you have 5000 DL's for Silver.

It's not as simple as an e-mail expressing intention to go exclusive.  You must send termination notice to all other agencies. 

« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2010, 09:42 »
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It's not as simple as an e-mail expressing intention to go exclusive.  You must send termination notice to all other agencies. 

Read the beginning of this topic and about halfway through...it shows you the content of the pdf that you must fill out with your request for exclusivity.

xst

« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2010, 14:50 »
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It's not as simple as an e-mail expressing intention to go exclusive.  You must send termination notice to all other agencies. 

Read the beginning of this topic and about halfway through...it shows you the content of the pdf that you must fill out with your request for exclusivity.

Apparently their e-mail and pdf awkwardly composed.
Ive send form back to Istock with list of agencies and wrote that no agency requires advance notification.
And that Ive stopped uploading to DT to start 6 month time-out.

I attached notification to only one small agency that requires advance request

IS had no problem with this.

KB

« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2010, 16:13 »
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Ive send form back to Istock with list of agencies and wrote that no agency requires advance notification.

There's actually an agency that states you have to give them advance notice that you will be closing your account? It must be one I don't contribute to, as I've never heard of this before.

xst

« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2010, 16:25 »
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Ive send form back to Istock with list of agencies and wrote that no agency requires advance notification.

There's actually an agency that states you have to give them advance notice that you will be closing your account? It must be one I don't contribute to, as I've never heard of this before.

Its Mom and pop store,
catreing to very specific market.

I'll keep some content with them on RM basis

KB

« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2010, 16:29 »
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Ive send form back to Istock with list of agencies and wrote that no agency requires advance notification.

There's actually an agency that states you have to give them advance notice that you will be closing your account? It must be one I don't contribute to, as I've never heard of this before.

Its Mom and pop store,
catreing to very specific market.

I'll keep some content with them on RM basis
Interesting.

Good luck with exclusivity; I hope it works out well for you.

« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2010, 16:32 »
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Its Mom and pop store,
catreing to very specific market.

I'll keep some content with them on RM basis

If it's RM then you can leave them there __ exclusivity is only about RF.

xst

« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2010, 16:42 »
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Its Mom and pop store,
catreing to very specific market.

I'll keep some content with them on RM basis

If it's RM then you can leave them there __ exclusivity is only about RF.

I have some RF with them as well.

lisafx

« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2010, 16:44 »
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Very good info, Mocker.  Thanks for sharing it :)

« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2010, 19:19 »
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Hey everyone,

I have an update on this for anyone in the position of considering going exclusive before the deadline.

First, we have moved back the deadline for making the decision to go exclusive from January 11 to January 31, 2010 because there was some confusion around what was required.

Second, we wanted to clear up the confusion. You do not need to remove your content from all other sites prior to the (new) January 31 deadline. You only need to agree to a timeline and provide applicable evidence that will result in having all your content removed from all other sites by August 1, 2010 in order to be eligible for being grandfathered into the next canister level.

In other words, if your content is obligated to be held by one site for several more months you do not need to remove your content from other sites that do not have that requirement until it gets closer to the date at which time all your content can be removed from all sites so that you will be eligible to go exclusive.

Please direct any additional questions to contributor relations (artists@istockphoto.com).

« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2010, 19:27 »
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Thats great news, Rob. Thanks for extending the deadline and clearing up the confusion.

« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2010, 19:41 »
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Crystal clear.  Nice job, Rob.

« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2010, 19:59 »
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Cheers Rob __ much appreciated (and take a Heart too!).

« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2010, 20:45 »
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... provide applicable evidence that will result in having all your content removed from all other sites by August 1, 2010...

Not so clear for me. Sorry!

What do you mean by "provide applicable evidence"?  Do you mean we must notify all other agencies that images will be removed? 

lisafx

« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2010, 17:27 »
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What do you mean by "provide applicable evidence"?  Do you mean we must notify all other agencies that images will be removed? 

I believe you only have to give notice to the companies that put a hold on your images.  The others you can remove any time, so no need for 6 months advance notice.

KB

« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2010, 18:23 »
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What do you mean by "provide applicable evidence"?  Do you mean we must notify all other agencies that images will be removed? 

I believe you only have to give notice to the companies that put a hold on your images.  The others you can remove any time, so no need for 6 months advance notice.
I wonder what the reasoning would be for giving notice? DT isn't going to care that someone tells them they are going to leave in x months, once their latest UL is > 6 months old.  Strange (to me, anyway).

« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2010, 21:24 »
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If anyone had RF at Alamy you have to give them 6 months notice and the image can only be removed after that 6 months has expired. I don't recall if it's for sale during that time, but it's not down and sales can be completed during the 6 months from the time of notice.

Perhaps that's the sort of situation Rob is referring to?

KB

« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2010, 22:38 »
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That sounds like it, Jo Ann. Thanks.
If anyone had RF at Alamy you have to give them 6 months notice and the image can only be removed after that 6 months has expired. I don't recall if it's for sale during that time, but it's not down and sales can be completed during the 6 months from the time of notice.

Perhaps that's the sort of situation Rob is referring to?

« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2010, 23:00 »
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What do you mean by "provide applicable evidence"?  Do you mean we must notify all other agencies that images will be removed? 

I believe you only have to give notice to the companies that put a hold on your images.  The others you can remove any time, so no need for 6 months advance notice.

Correct. Thanks!

« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2010, 00:33 »
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What do you mean by "provide applicable evidence"?  Do you mean we must notify all other agencies that images will be removed? 

I believe you only have to give notice to the companies that put a hold on your images.  The others you can remove any time, so no need for 6 months advance notice.

Correct. Thanks!

Thanks!

« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2010, 04:18 »
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Wouldn't it just have been easier to say if you go exclusive by August you get SJlocke's special "canister grandfathering" option.

 If you don't go exclusive by that date then you don't get it. end of story.

???

« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2010, 08:43 »
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Wouldn't it just have been easier to say if you go exclusive by August you get SJlocke's special "canister grandfathering" option.

 If you don't go exclusive by that date then you don't get it. end of story.

???


Just my thoughts.

lisafx

« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2010, 11:31 »
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If anyone had RF at Alamy you have to give them 6 months notice and the image can only be removed after that 6 months has expired. I don't recall if it's for sale during that time, but it's not down and sales can be completed during the 6 months from the time of notice.

Wow.  I didn't realize this about Alamy.  Good info to have.


« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2010, 11:45 »
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If anyone had RF at Alamy you have to give them 6 months notice and the image can only be removed after that 6 months has expired. I don't recall if it's for sale during that time, but it's not down and sales can be completed during the 6 months from the time of notice.


Wow.  I didn't realize this about Alamy.  Good info to have.


I removed mine by copying the account termination term. I think it have been removed in 1 month, but I don't remember if I uploaded there in the last 6 months though. Look at this I found it

20. Termination
20.1 You may terminate this contract:
20.1.1 on 45 days prior notice to Alamy at any time;
20.1.2 immediately by written notice to Alamy if Alamy:

http://www.alamy.com/contributor/contract/default.asp
Hope this help

Edit: I also got my account balance even if I didn't reach the payout limit  ;) Common Lisa Go Exclusive!!
« Last Edit: January 12, 2010, 11:59 by Vonkara »

lisafx

« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2010, 11:58 »
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Thanks Vonkara.  Good info.  This is what I had found and was acting on:

1.3.4 Delete any Images after one hundred and eighty (180) days notice. On image deletion Alamy will cease to grant Licences for the Image so deleted (but without prejudice to any Licences which may subsequently be granted for Images already downloaded).

I guess the 6 month notice is for image removal if you are keeping your account active, not terminating it. 

I would like to keep Alamy for posting RM images, so I guess I should go with the 6 month notice.

Hypothetically, of course ;)

« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2010, 12:06 »
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I decided to terminate my account as I only had RF at Alamy. I am planning to send all my images that aren't RF there as Editorial RM. Shortly I will start a new one with only those Editorial RM.

This way I didn't loose time with the exclusive process. Because none of the images I had on Alamy will be the same as the new account I will create

bittersweet

« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2010, 13:19 »
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Wouldn't it just have been easier to say if you go exclusive by August you get SJlocke's special "canister grandfathering" option.

 If you don't go exclusive by that date then you don't get it. end of story.

???


Probably because experience tells us that come August, there will be wails from all the folks who "wanted" to go exclusive but can't because of the waiting period at whatever site ... and couldn't special exceptions be made so that they can become exclusive as soon as their waiting periods are up and still get grandfathered in??

Come on now... you know it's true.  ;)

« Reply #75 on: January 12, 2010, 15:05 »
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I deleted a few images from Alamy and it took forever. 6 months or more is probably right. I did read that there was a quicker way to disable your images there:

http://www.thephotographybiz.com/comment/how-to-effectively-delete-an-image-off-alamy-straight-away/

I think this was it, although it sounds like it doesn't delete them from lightboxes and such.

Dook

« Reply #76 on: January 18, 2010, 17:41 »
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One of the ways that Istock can find your images is by picking sample picture from your Istock portfolio and using well known software to track it down on other sites. So, deleting all your keywords will not help. It is more honest to wait 6 months if you want to go exclusive. You have to wait 6 months because of DT anyway.


 

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