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Lagereek

« on: August 03, 2012, 12:54 »
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I am curious! how is life on the other side of the fence? ;), IS, exclusivity. Is it any good? mediocre, fantastic or bloody terrible. Anybody dares to some input? I got a sneaky feeling that in six months time all agencies will be playing us, either with their searches or in another devious way, so yes, curious? :)
« Last Edit: August 03, 2012, 12:56 by Lagereek »


ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2012, 13:07 »
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Why not study the July sales thread over there? More exclusives post there.

« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2012, 13:10 »
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What info are you looking for exactly ? We where always exclusive more or less so it is hard to compare, but like most things in life it does have it's advantages and disadvantages.

traveler1116

« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2012, 13:18 »
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Thinking about going exclusive?

lisafx

« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 14:06 »
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Why not study the July sales thread over there? More exclusives post there.

Agree.  A read through the diamond and black diamond reports in that thread is really ominous. 

ShadySue

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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 14:08 »
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Why not study the July sales thread over there? More exclusives post there.

Agree.  A read through the diamond and black diamond reports in that thread is really ominous. 

Indeed, and even the usual cheerleaders aren't cheering.
I guess it 'could' be Summer Slump, but we'll only know that in the run up to Christmas. Not wishing my life away, though.

SK

« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2012, 14:09 »
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iStock really sucks and downloads and revenues are plunging. I am a diamond exclusive that is very depressed!

« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2012, 14:16 »
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honestly I dont see a point to this thread once there were no changes from June to July and we all know how IS is going, at least the ones that post their earnings/downloads %'s, last month i made that graph and 75% of the exclusives where down (based on "their" forum)

Lagereek

« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2012, 14:24 »
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honestly I dont see a point to this thread once there were no changes from June to July and we all know how IS is going, at least the ones that post their earnings/downloads %'s, last month i made that graph and 75% of the exclusives where down (based on "their" forum)

Didnt ask for your opinion Luis. Thread is aimed towards a differant clientel.

« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2012, 15:40 »
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How is it going .... REALLY?

I'm a diamond exclusive.  2 yrs of steady decline.  At the time of the 09/10 announcements, my earnings clobbered those of my non-exclusive peers.  Since then, their earnings have risen and my have fallen to the point that, if current trends continue, sometime this autumn their earnings will meet mine and then surpass them. And the 'peers' I'm comparing myself to are photogs, not even vector artists. 

What's telling about the July sales thread is how few people chimed compared to 'the old days' and that this month, it was hours before anyone bothered to start it compared to in the past when people would jump over each other to be the first to post. 

The only thing that confuses me is why so many people seem confused by this entirely predictable turn of events.  ???

« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2012, 15:54 »
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Why not study the July sales thread over there? More exclusives post there.

Agree.  A read through the diamond and black diamond reports in that thread is really ominous. 

I think it was a somewhat rhetorical question from Lagereek __ as if he doesn't know the situation. There's no doubt that many are being forced into extremely difficult decisions as incomes have dwindled. They've been let down badly by Istock's greed and incompetence.

« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2012, 15:58 »
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honestly I dont see a point to this thread once there were no changes from June to July and we all know how IS is going, at least the ones that post their earnings/downloads %'s, last month i made that graph and 75% of the exclusives where down (based on "their" forum)

Didnt ask for your opinion Luis. Thread is aimed towards a differant clientel.

i believe you havent read my post

lisafx

« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2012, 18:10 »
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I think it was a somewhat rhetorical question from Lagereek __ as if he doesn't know the situation. There's no doubt that many are being forced into extremely difficult decisions as incomes have dwindled. They've been let down badly by Istock's greed and incompetence.

Perhaps so, but I hadn't bothered to read the Istock monthly thread until Liz's post.  I knew things were bad at Istock, and I know how bad my own sales are there, but I was genuinely surprised to see most diamond and above exclusives saying that their sales are back to 2005-06 levels and royalties are back to 2007-08.

I haven't really been keeping up with Istock's situation, beyond my own dismal sales.  Last time I paid much attention to a monthly thread there were still a lot of folks saying that although sales had plunged, higher priced collections were still bringing in decent returns. 

ShadySue

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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2012, 19:27 »
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OTOH, although obviously several people like you (Lisa) and Sean, for example, are uploading high quality stock stuff all the time, yet have falling stats, some people who are complaining loudly there are 'resting on their laurels', and looking at two of their ports I saw they'd uploaded virtually nothing this year, to small ports grown over a long time, as if they thought these same images would go on selling for ever.
So just taking a flat 'number of exclusives who are failing' isn't telling the whole story.

I know that Alexa only tells a part story too, but comparing the 'big 4' agencies shows that there was a HUGE slump in iStock visits between March and April 2011. I can't remember what happened then specifically - anyone remember - big price hike? peak months for the technical glitches? and has gone down considerably this year to a new low plateau. SS rose up last year, and this year has very similar Alexa stats to iS. Fotolia has ended a bit up from June 2010, and DT is a very little down from then, all with fluctuations within that period.

Lagereek

« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2012, 23:37 »
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I think it was a somewhat rhetorical question from Lagereek __ as if he doesn't know the situation. There's no doubt that many are being forced into extremely difficult decisions as incomes have dwindled. They've been let down badly by Istock's greed and incompetence.

Perhaps so, but I hadn't bothered to read the Istock monthly thread until Liz's post.  I knew things were bad at Istock, and I know how bad my own sales are there, but I was genuinely surprised to see most diamond and above exclusives saying that their sales are back to 2005-06 levels and royalties are back to 2007-08.

I haven't really been keeping up with Istock's situation, beyond my own dismal sales.  Last time I paid much attention to a monthly thread there were still a lot of folks saying that although sales had plunged, higher priced collections were still bringing in decent returns. 


Gotswyck is right really but as you say, I havent been inside the IS forum for months and even so, you cant believe a damned word over there, any useful or complaining posts are locked immediately.
OTOH, life on this side of the fence, isnt much brighter, is it? we spend days on end uploading, this and that, to a whole bunch of agencies, also with mediocre results. Fair enough, SS, DT and FT can still produce but in a years time after they have constantly messed around with their search-engines. What will it look like?. The latest "relevancy" at SS, is as far as many are concerned, a total mess, same story with the FT, search, etc, etc.  Sure! there are some, wooyay! days but they are becoming far and few in between.

Many professional photographers are now leaving the micro industry, I know one guy who pretty soon will pull a port of 5K, images away from micro and send them down another avenue, says its too time consuming for too little in return, etc.
The entire micro business is very edgy, paranoid. Agencies are acting according to their own perfect scenario, which ofcourse wasnt perfect at all and the damage is done.

Wim

« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2012, 03:10 »
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Woops double post

Wim

« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2012, 03:10 »
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Many professional photographers are now leaving the micro industry, I know one guy who pretty soon will pull a port of 5K, images away from micro and send them down another avenue, says its too time consuming for too little in return, etc.
The entire micro business is very edgy, paranoid. Agencies are acting according to their own perfect scenario, which ofcourse wasnt perfect at all and the damage is done.


If we're on the same track about 'other avenues' the problem with that is that our images are so widely spread (partner agencies) they could pop up anywhere at anytime, even after months/years of removal, and for pennies.
I removed my port from YAY a while ago but still found my work selling at their partner agency, that was after 6 months. I almost had to hire a lawyer to get my work removed. So tell your friend to keep that in mind.

« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2012, 04:23 »
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Not talking about any site specifically - but I see people complain about being back to say 2007 numbers. There are lots of people in business who would love to be back to 2007 numbers - or even to still be in business.

This is the worst economy since the 1930s. 2007 was the high water mark of a long boom -  especially online. The post 2001 internet boom far surpassed the pre crash dot.com era - lots of exuberant little startups all needing images, big companies with money to burn etc

Comparing anything with the high point of a boom is going to be a disappointing experience. And I know that this expression is being way overused but now probably really is the "new normal".
« Last Edit: August 04, 2012, 04:25 by bhr »

Lagereek

« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2012, 04:31 »
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Many professional photographers are now leaving the micro industry, I know one guy who pretty soon will pull a port of 5K, images away from micro and send them down another avenue, says its too time consuming for too little in return, etc.
The entire micro business is very edgy, paranoid. Agencies are acting according to their own perfect scenario, which ofcourse wasnt perfect at all and the damage is done.


If we're on the same track about 'other avenues' the problem with that is that our images are so widely spread (partner agencies) they could pop up anywhere at anytime, even after months/years of removal, and for pennies.
I removed my port from YAY a while ago but still found my work selling at their partner agency, that was after 6 months. I almost had to hire a lawyer to get my work removed. So tell your friend to keep that in mind.

No problem he has been for 20 years in the stock game, he knows what he is doing.

Lagereek

« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2012, 04:42 »
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Not talking about any site specifically - but I see people complain about being back to say 2007 numbers. There are lots of people in business who would love to be back to 2007 numbers - or even to still be in business.

This is the worst economy since the 1930s. 2007 was the high water mark of a long boom -  especially online. The post 2001 internet boom far surpassed the pre crash dot.com era - lots of exuberant little startups all needing images, big companies with money to burn etc

Comparing anything with the high point of a boom is going to be a disappointing experience. And I know that this expression is being way overused but now probably really is the "new normal".

Im afraid you can not blame the reccession or world economy anymore, them days are over and has got nothing to do with many agencies half assed attempt to increase profits, this and that, destroying their own searches, neglecting buyers, not fixing bugs and glitches, etc, the list just goes on and on. One of the foremost gurus of the mechanisms of the internet, used to work with Thomas Knoll at Adobe, he once said, the safest way of ruining a good business depending on the internet for sales, regardless of product,  is to constantly change the search alogarithms, engines.
Well in all our case, we have experienced this a lot lately and thats got nothing to do with world economy,  rather a frightening lack of know-how, a never-mind attitude and beliefs in self-esteemed scenarios.

« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2012, 13:25 »
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Im afraid you can not blame the reccession or world economy anymore, them days are over

Uhhhh ... I can't believe you actually typed that.  If anything, we're at one of the worst points because a lot of people who were just keeping their heads above water are running out of resources.  It's only this year that I've seen "unemployment" and "temping" become frequently mentioned on my fb and twitter feeds. But you're right about all the other stuff. That big drop at istock was a self-inflicted wound from your list.

"some people who are complaining loudly there are 'resting on their laurels'"

And that's a factor in some of my decline. Market saturation gets blamed on these forums a lot but market stagnation, not so much.  When I do searches, sometimes I feel like I've been looking at the same files over and over for years. And the same stock "style" over and over.  It seems like the micros have descended into a terrible state of monotony where every site offers the same files, same styles and same general experience. istock's advantage was that it's strong set of exclusives offered a novel set of search results compared to the others.  But that graph suggests it wasn't enough to counter, "half assed attempt to increase profits, this and that, destroying their own searches, neglecting buyers, not fixing bugs and glitches".   

 Nobody is innovating and all the sites seem content to wallow in mediocrity, so the results will likely reflect that.

lisafx

« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2012, 14:11 »
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Not talking about any site specifically - but I see people complain about being back to say 2007 numbers. There are lots of people in business who would love to be back to 2007 numbers - or even to still be in business.

This is the worst economy since the 1930s. 2007 was the high water mark of a long boom -  especially online. The post 2001 internet boom far surpassed the pre crash dot.com era - lots of exuberant little startups all needing images, big companies with money to burn etc

Comparing anything with the high point of a boom is going to be a disappointing experience. And I know that this expression is being way overused but now probably really is the "new normal".

For many businesses 2007 may indeed have been a high water mark, but microstock was still in relatively early days.  The high water mark for me, and I imagine some others, was 2009-2010.  So when I say that my sales and royalties are back at 2006-07 levels, that is a massive, and I mean MASSIVE drop.  And that's not even accounting for the fact that my portfolio was around 1.5 - 2k in that period of time and it's 7k now. 

lisafx

« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2012, 14:16 »
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Im afraid you can not blame the reccession or world economy anymore, them days are over

Uhhhh ... I can't believe you actually typed that.  If anything, we're at one of the worst points because a lot of people who were just keeping their heads above water are running out of resources.  It's only this year that I've seen "unemployment" and "temping" become frequently mentioned on my fb and twitter feeds. But you're right about all the other stuff. That big drop at istock was a self-inflicted wound from your list.


I may be wrong, but I believe his comment about not blaming the world economy was limited to the context of microstock.  As most of us seem to agree, microstock's demise owes less to the world economy and more to the hubris of the agencies. 

Lagereek

« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2012, 14:30 »
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Im afraid you can not blame the reccession or world economy anymore, them days are over

Uhhhh ... I can't believe you actually typed that.  If anything, we're at one of the worst points because a lot of people who were just keeping their heads above water are running out of resources.  It's only this year that I've seen "unemployment" and "temping" become frequently mentioned on my fb and twitter feeds. But you're right about all the other stuff. That big drop at istock was a self-inflicted wound from your list.


I may be wrong, but I believe his comment about not blaming the world economy was limited to the context of microstock.  As most of us seem to agree, microstock's demise owes less to the world economy and more to the hubris of the agencies. 

Correct! thats what I meant.

« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2012, 14:50 »
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And I just meant that I agree with all the other stuff but think that the economy is still a factor ... a lagging indicator in the case of microstock because it was, at first, the place to turn as budgets tightened.

Lagereek

« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2012, 00:24 »
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And I just meant that I agree with all the other stuff but think that the economy is still a factor ... a lagging indicator in the case of microstock because it was, at first, the place to turn as budgets tightened.

How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?

ShadySue

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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2012, 05:08 »
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And I just meant that I agree with all the other stuff but think that the economy is still a factor ... a lagging indicator in the case of microstock because it was, at first, the place to turn as budgets tightened.

How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?

What I don't understand is WHY, with your supadupa macro ports which are doing stunningly despite the recession, you even bother to upload to the 'STUPID' micros who don't even see the sense of putting your images at the top of all searches? As you so often say, you have unique, released topics which are difficult to come by, and certainly not on the micros, and a huge swathe of personal buyers beating your door down.
Why do you undercut yourself on the micros? If you weren't there, they'd have to contact you directly or go to one of your macros. It's not like an isolated apple, where people can choose the lowest price or (probably) get CC somewhere. It's your life and your business plan, but it seems to make no logical sense - based on what you yourself say.

Lagereek

« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2012, 06:12 »
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And I just meant that I agree with all the other stuff but think that the economy is still a factor ... a lagging indicator in the case of microstock because it was, at first, the place to turn as budgets tightened.

How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?

What I don't understand is WHY, with your supadupa macro ports which are doing stunningly despite the recession, you even bother to upload to the 'STUPID' micros who don't even see the sense of putting your images at the top of all searches? As you so often say, you have unique, released topics which are difficult to come by, and certainly not on the micros, and a huge swathe of personal buyers beating your door down.
Why do you undercut yourself on the micros? If you weren't there, they'd have to contact you directly or go to one of your macros. It's not like an isolated apple, where people can choose the lowest price or (probably) get CC somewhere. It's your life and your business plan, but it seems to make no logical sense - based on what you yourself say.

Come, come now Sue, dont get your knickers in a twist. There is no need for inferiority complex here, resulting in the lowest form of witt, Sarcasm, steady yourself and just tell me how a Scotish lass is doing at IS, good or bad?

ShadySue

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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2012, 06:30 »
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And I just meant that I agree with all the other stuff but think that the economy is still a factor ... a lagging indicator in the case of microstock because it was, at first, the place to turn as budgets tightened.

How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?

What I don't understand is WHY, with your supadupa macro ports which are doing stunningly despite the recession, you even bother to upload to the 'STUPID' micros who don't even see the sense of putting your images at the top of all searches? As you so often say, you have unique, released topics which are difficult to come by, and certainly not on the micros, and a huge swathe of personal buyers beating your door down.
Why do you undercut yourself on the micros? If you weren't there, they'd have to contact you directly or go to one of your macros. It's not like an isolated apple, where people can choose the lowest price or (probably) get CC somewhere. It's your life and your business plan, but it seems to make no logical sense - based on what you yourself say.

Come, come now Sue, dont get your knickers in a twist. There is no need for inferiority complex here, resulting in the lowest form of witt, Sarcasm, steady yourself and just tell me how a Scotish lass is doing at IS, good or bad?
Who was being sarcastic? Not me, in this case.
And 'lousy this month'  :o; but the other thread says that's nothing to worry about.
July was my BMY for $$, but only because of ELs, which just shows what a tiny fish I am.
My BME remains Nov 2008 (sic), by miles.

Lagereek

« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2012, 06:51 »
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And I just meant that I agree with all the other stuff but think that the economy is still a factor ... a lagging indicator in the case of microstock because it was, at first, the place to turn as budgets tightened.

How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?

What I don't understand is WHY, with your supadupa macro ports which are doing stunningly despite the recession, you even bother to upload to the 'STUPID' micros who don't even see the sense of putting your images at the top of all searches? As you so often say, you have unique, released topics which are difficult to come by, and certainly not on the micros, and a huge swathe of personal buyers beating your door down.
Why do you undercut yourself on the micros? If you weren't there, they'd have to contact you directly or go to one of your macros. It's not like an isolated apple, where people can choose the lowest price or (probably) get CC somewhere. It's your life and your business plan, but it seems to make no logical sense - based on what you yourself say.

Come, come now Sue, dont get your knickers in a twist. There is no need for inferiority complex here, resulting in the lowest form of witt, Sarcasm, steady yourself and just tell me how a Scotish lass is doing at IS, good or bad?
Who was being sarcastic? Not me, in this case.
And 'lousy this month'  :o; but the other thread says that's nothing to worry about.
July was my BMY for $$, but only because of ELs, which just shows what a tiny fish I am.
My BME remains Nov 2008 (sic), by miles.

Cheers!  blimey, dont seem to be too many doing well over there, exclusive or not. Mind you things are not too much brighter here, what!  with the new SS search and everything. Poverty stricken micro times ahead.  :)

« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2012, 07:51 »
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Well, regarding the economy, it does have an impact on MS, both ways.  I know personally three business owners who have stopped purchasing credit packages due to the tough economic times.  In as much as possible, they are regurgitating older images to use in new messaging.  So the economy, overall, does play a role in MS.  The issue is that it's perhaps far more subtle and transparent to the contributor than the changes the agencies made.  On the flip side, the company I work for is pushing MS to its marketing department as an alternative to custom photo shoots because it's far less expensive.  So for those companies who are still looking for fresh material, but tightening their belts, MS is an alternative, and a potentially big alternative, to large photo shoots.  Believe me, I work for a company who relies heavily on color and visual impact to sell their products and for them to turn more to MS is, for us anyway, positive.  Bad for the traditional studio pros who rely on these custom shoots for income, though.

Wim

« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2012, 10:46 »
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And I just meant that I agree with all the other stuff but think that the economy is still a factor ... a lagging indicator in the case of microstock because it was, at first, the place to turn as budgets tightened.

How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?

What I don't understand is WHY, with your supadupa macro ports which are doing stunningly despite the recession, you even bother to upload to the 'STUPID' micros who don't even see the sense of putting your images at the top of all searches? As you so often say, you have unique, released topics which are difficult to come by, and certainly not on the micros, and a huge swathe of personal buyers beating your door down.
Why do you undercut yourself on the micros? If you weren't there, they'd have to contact you directly or go to one of your macros. It's not like an isolated apple, where people can choose the lowest price or (probably) get CC somewhere. It's your life and your business plan, but it seems to make no logical sense - based on what you yourself say.

Very good point Sue.
Lagereek isn't the only one btw, I've seen a lot more tormenting themselves like this and I'm baffled why they keep on doing this.
I know I wouldn't be messing around with micro's if I had a good income from macro, that's just plain stupid if you ask me.
The extra $$$ seems to be worth all the hassle to them? I rather have less $$$ and feel good about myself, my work and the agencies I work with.

Have you guys checked the Refunds thread (Vectorbomb) btw? disgusting really, it gets worse every day!
« Last Edit: August 05, 2012, 10:48 by Wim »

Lagereek

« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2012, 11:51 »
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And I just meant that I agree with all the other stuff but think that the economy is still a factor ... a lagging indicator in the case of microstock because it was, at first, the place to turn as budgets tightened.

How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?

What I don't understand is WHY, with your supadupa macro ports which are doing stunningly despite the recession, you even bother to upload to the 'STUPID' micros who don't even see the sense of putting your images at the top of all searches? As you so often say, you have unique, released topics which are difficult to come by, and certainly not on the micros, and a huge swathe of personal buyers beating your door down.
Why do you undercut yourself on the micros? If you weren't there, they'd have to contact you directly or go to one of your macros. It's not like an isolated apple, where people can choose the lowest price or (probably) get CC somewhere. It's your life and your business plan, but it seems to make no logical sense - based on what you yourself say.

Very good point Sue.
Lagereek isn't the only one btw, I've seen a lot more tormenting themselves like this and I'm baffled why they keep on doing this.
I know I wouldn't be messing around with micro's if I had a good income from macro, that's just plain stupid if you ask me.
The extra $$$ seems to be worth all the hassle to them? I rather have less $$$ and feel good about myself, my work and the agencies I work with.

Have you guys checked the Refunds thread (Vectorbomb) btw? disgusting really, it gets worse every day!

Wim! sometimes you talk such a load of cobblers its unbelievable, you sound like some kid, somebody just happend to drop in the micro lap. Nobody is tormenting themselves, nobody, as far as the OP, Im asking a question, thats all, curious, thats all, got nothing to do with me or macro or anything, just a question, now please if you cant contribute to the thread, then kindly refrain from either reading it, let alon answering it and if you do, please dont sound like some degenrate coming in from the sticks.

As far as extra bucks, well if you can call way above a 5-figured monthly amount in micro alone, just some extra cash? well buddy, then you certainly dont need all the extra advice you keep asking ppl, in all you private mails to them.

Your postings are becoming more and more childish and patronizing and all your postings on my private mail, well sometimes I feel Im dealing with a 5 year old.

so long buddy.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2012, 11:56 by Lagereek »

Wim

« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2012, 13:06 »
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So long? advice from you or others? can you bloody believe this guy, amazing.

Please report here asap guys because I can't tell one person that has given me any advice.
As for you, what advice is that, invest in macro, go with Getty-RM house collection? wow, that's some advice. Any other advice you have given me? feel free to post it right here in this thread.

You are a piece of work you know that, you think you're getting rid of me with posts like that? to you everyone here is worth crap, all noobs, dilletantes, and what not.
The only thing you care about is bragging about your own success and your work dominating every search.

The only one that can get rid of me is Tyler and why he has put up with your attitude for this long is beyond me, a bloody shame to let people like you even into this forum.

ps. a God Complex can be treated.

ShadySue

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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2012, 13:09 »
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How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?
...

Wim! sometimes you talk such a load of cobblers its unbelievable, you sound like some kid, somebody just happend to drop in the micro lap.

Pot, meet Kettle.

vonkara

« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2012, 13:28 »
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You might sell to less people but at least you don't sell for 35 cents. I am tormented by all the rumors of changes with Getty and everything though, but that is all. Here is a sample of what you get from a Exclusive + file. (old E+)

« Last Edit: August 05, 2012, 13:30 by Vonkara »

WarrenPrice

« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2012, 13:41 »
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How can one blame the world economy, Obama or the Russians or Sadam or the sunamis or the plain-crashes or the hunger, starvations, etc, etc, etc,  for the STUPIDITY, of micro stock agencies? beats me. ;D ;D ;D ::) throwing crap at their own doorsteps?
...

Wim! sometimes you talk such a load of cobblers its unbelievable, you sound like some kid, somebody just happend to drop in the micro lap.

Pot, meet Kettle.

 ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2012, 14:30 »
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You might sell to less people but at least you don't sell for 35 cents. I am tormented by all the rumors of changes with Getty and everything though, but that is all. Here is a sample of what you get from a Exclusive + file. (old E+)



Not all the istock exclusives have reported drops in $$$$.  Sean is about the same as last year.  If someone in Istock's top five is as good as ever then people on here can't say the sky is falling for everyone.  There is just a spreading of the wealth.  If you have dropped a lot of income then you have not uploaded quality images or your talent is not keeping you up with the competition.  Simple as that.  If someone is still doing great then you could too.  The easy money is gone.

I can't image the income Yuri would had have with agency and vetta considering the possibility of e+.  A lot of money was left on the table messing around with subscription sites.

Lagereek

« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2012, 14:33 »
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So long? advice from you or others? can you bloody believe this guy, amazing.

Please report here asap guys because I can't tell one person that has given me any advice.
As for you, what advice is that, invest in macro, go with Getty-RM house collection? wow, that's some advice. Any other advice you have given me? feel free to post it right here in this thread.

You are a piece of work you know that, you think you're getting rid of me with posts like that? to you everyone here is worth crap, all noobs, dilletantes, and what not.
The only thing you care about is bragging about your own success and your work dominating every search.

The only one that can get rid of me is Tyler and why he has put up with your attitude for this long is beyond me, a bloody shame to let people like you even into this forum.

ps. a God Complex can be treated.

Go away wim, find some soft toy to play with. I know exactly the people you been jiddering with, one even asked me if you were quite OK?. Create your own threads instead of clinging to others. OH, btw, you did get wrong advice in every mail, none trusted you.
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ShadySue

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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2012, 14:34 »
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Not all the istock exclusives have reported drops in $$$$.  Sean is about the same as last year.  If someone in Istock's top five is as good as ever then people on here can't say the sky is falling for everyone. 
He's not sounding happy with how things are going.
I'm sure he'll chip in personally, but on the iStock thread, he said:
"Worst month of the year for both dollars and dls. My dls chart looks like a playground slide. This month, about 40% less dls then Feb of the year (2012 high point), which means my dls are likely at 2006-7 levels. Hugely disappointing, since I am very happy with the look, quality and variety of my recent uploads."

Wim

« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2012, 16:06 »
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So long? advice from you or others? can you bloody believe this guy, amazing.

Please report here asap guys because I can't tell one person that has given me any advice.
As for you, what advice is that, invest in macro, go with Getty-RM house collection? wow, that's some advice. Any other advice you have given me? feel free to post it right here in this thread.

You are a piece of work you know that, you think you're getting rid of me with posts like that? to you everyone here is worth crap, all noobs, dilletantes, and what not.
The only thing you care about is bragging about your own success and your work dominating every search.

The only one that can get rid of me is Tyler and why he has put up with your attitude for this long is beyond me, a bloody shame to let people like you even into this forum.

ps. a God Complex can be treated.

Go away wim, find some soft toy to play with. I know exactly the people you been jiddering with, one even asked me if you were quite OK?. Create your own threads instead of clinging to others. OH, btw, you did get wrong advice in every mail, none trusted you.

bla bla, keep trying fool  ::)

lisafx

« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2012, 16:22 »
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Not all the istock exclusives have reported drops in $$$$.  Sean is about the same as last year.  If someone in Istock's top five is as good as ever then people on here can't say the sky is falling for everyone. 
He's not sounding happy with how things are going.
I'm sure he'll chip in personally, but on the iStock thread, he said:
"Worst month of the year for both dollars and dls. My dls chart looks like a playground slide. This month, about 40% less dls then Feb of the year (2012 high point), which means my dls are likely at 2006-7 levels. Hugely disappointing, since I am very happy with the look, quality and variety of my recent uploads."

I read that too.  Doesn't sound to promising to me.  Not sure where pro@ is getting the information he's using to form his opinions. 

traveler1116

« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2012, 17:09 »
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Not all the istock exclusives have reported drops in $$$$.  Sean is about the same as last year.  If someone in Istock's top five is as good as ever then people on here can't say the sky is falling for everyone. 
He's not sounding happy with how things are going.
I'm sure he'll chip in personally, but on the iStock thread, he said:
"Worst month of the year for both dollars and dls. My dls chart looks like a playground slide. This month, about 40% less dls then Feb of the year (2012 high point), which means my dls are likely at 2006-7 levels. Hugely disappointing, since I am very happy with the look, quality and variety of my recent uploads."

I read that too.  Doesn't sound to promising to me.  Not sure where pro@ is getting the information he's using to form his opinions. 
I could have sworn that Sean posted he was up in royalties compared to last year too, but when I went back to find the quote I couldn't so maybe I'm misremembering or maybe he deleted that part? 

ShadySue

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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2012, 17:28 »
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Not all the istock exclusives have reported drops in $$$$.  Sean is about the same as last year.  If someone in Istock's top five is as good as ever then people on here can't say the sky is falling for everyone. 
He's not sounding happy with how things are going.
I'm sure he'll chip in personally, but on the iStock thread, he said:
"Worst month of the year for both dollars and dls. My dls chart looks like a playground slide. This month, about 40% less dls then Feb of the year (2012 high point), which means my dls are likely at 2006-7 levels. Hugely disappointing, since I am very happy with the look, quality and variety of my recent uploads."

I read that too.  Doesn't sound to promising to me.  Not sure where pro@ is getting the information he's using to form his opinions. 
I could have sworn that Sean posted he was up in royalties compared to last year too, but when I went back to find the quote I couldn't so maybe I'm misremembering or maybe he deleted that part? 
The post isn't showing as having been edited, but I'm sure he'll post here soon and speak for himself.
In the How was your June 2012 thread, he wrote: "For $$$, #3 best (4th worst) out of this year. Worse than any month last year except December (by just 1%)."

In the May '12 thread, he wrote: "Still down 20% in $$$ from last May. Worse than any month last year except December."

In the April '12 thread, he wrote: "Things just get worse and worse. $$$ down more than 20% from last year. DLs down more than 30%.
Worst month of this year, so far, even worse than January. Made more in December than April. IS seems to be in a free fall slide for anyone who needs more than an extra DL or two to have a BME."

lisafx

« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2012, 17:43 »
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The post isn't showing as having been edited, but I'm sure he'll post here soon and speak for himself.
In the How was your June 2012 thread, he wrote: "For $$$, #3 best (4th worst) out of this year. Worse than any month last year except December (by just 1%)."

In the May '12 thread, he wrote: "Still down 20% in $$$ from last May. Worse than any month last year except December."

In the April '12 thread, he wrote: "Things just get worse and worse. $$$ down more than 20% from last year. DLs down more than 30%.
Worst month of this year, so far, even worse than January. Made more in December than April. IS seems to be in a free fall slide for anyone who needs more than an extra DL or two to have a BME."


Here's a gal who does her research!  :D

« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2012, 17:44 »
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Lol...

No, I'm certainly not up from last year.  Even, in $$$ some months, maybe.

traveler1116

« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2012, 17:52 »
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Lol...

No, I'm certainly not up from last year.  Even, in $$$ some months, maybe.
I guess I misremembered then, but that statement is a little cryptic.

« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2012, 17:56 »
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Some months have made the same as the same month last year.  Most are less.

« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2012, 18:10 »
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Some months have made the same as the same month last year.  Most are less.

Not sure what the delta is July 2011 to July 2012 in portfolio size, but I recall in some earlier reports you had said your portfolio had grown by a couple of thousand images over the prior year. Given price increases and portfolio growth year to year, I would view staying even as a pretty poor result.

And I don't mean that you did poorly - I'm criticizing your agent, not you, your images or the effort you're putting in. I occasionally get ticked by the contingent that complains the only ones complaining are those not putting in the requisite effort - I think they just need to believe everything's wonderful to avoid acknowledging that this can happen to them too.

ShadySue

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« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2012, 18:25 »
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I occasionally get ticked by the contingent that complains the only ones complaining are those not putting in the requisite effort
Joann: I'm glad that you mentioned this, as I posted earlier that some complaining had very few images in their port (for long-standing ports of 5+ years) and had uploaded little or nothing this year.
I should have been more clear and said that I understand that circumstances can change so that someone can't upload as much as before, and/or it's extremely demotivating to put in the effort and not get results, so people might pursue other income streams.

« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2012, 19:49 »
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Not all the istock exclusives have reported drops in $$$$.  Sean is about the same as last year.  If someone in Istock's top five is as good as ever then people on here can't say the sky is falling for everyone. 
He's not sounding happy with how things are going.
I'm sure he'll chip in personally, but on the iStock thread, he said:
"Worst month of the year for both dollars and dls. My dls chart looks like a playground slide. This month, about 40% less dls then Feb of the year (2012 high point), which means my dls are likely at 2006-7 levels. Hugely disappointing, since I am very happy with the look, quality and variety of my recent uploads."

I guess I did not understand the following  quote from sean in the is forums correctly.

" especially when it is obvious that you hadn't even read my post where I specifically said that my July DL's were down significantly, but that my July sales - income was up comparred to the previous two Julys and average for this year."

ShadySue

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« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2012, 20:07 »
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I guess I did not understand the following  quote from sean in the is forums correctly.

" especially when it is obvious that you hadn't even read my post where I specifically said that my July DL's were down significantly, but that my July sales - income was up comparred to the previous two Julys and average for this year."

He was quoting a post by cbarnesphotography a few posts up in the thread (but the quoting didn't show up properly).

« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2012, 20:10 »
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Yeah, that wasn't me.  I'm sans computer and phone quoting is a pain...

ShadySue

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« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2012, 05:32 »
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The post isn't showing as having been edited, but I'm sure he'll post here soon and speak for himself.
In the How was your June 2012 thread, he wrote: "For $$$, #3 best (4th worst) out of this year. Worse than any month last year except December (by just 1%)."

In the May '12 thread, he wrote: "Still down 20% in $$$ from last May. Worse than any month last year except December."

In the April '12 thread, he wrote: "Things just get worse and worse. $$$ down more than 20% from last year. DLs down more than 30%.
Worst month of this year, so far, even worse than January. Made more in December than April. IS seems to be in a free fall slide for anyone who needs more than an extra DL or two to have a BME."


Here's a gal who does her research!  :D

I realise that made me look like a Sean Stalker. I'm not, other than his montly stats. If someone who consistently uploads the sort of exclusive, high-production-value, shiny, happy, American photos that are, or were, the backbone of iStock has falling stats, particularly with his new stuff, that shows either something very bad overall is going on, or perhaps that the pie is being sliced too thinly, as of course, there are lots more people doing that material than years ago, on iStock and elsewhere.
Whatever, he's the only top exclusive BD who regularly posts his stats, so I use them as a barometer of how site is delivering for contributors (and follow the monthly threads in toto with great interest).

Lagereek

« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2012, 05:44 »
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The post isn't showing as having been edited, but I'm sure he'll post here soon and speak for himself.
In the How was your June 2012 thread, he wrote: "For $$$, #3 best (4th worst) out of this year. Worse than any month last year except December (by just 1%)."

In the May '12 thread, he wrote: "Still down 20% in $$$ from last May. Worse than any month last year except December."

In the April '12 thread, he wrote: "Things just get worse and worse. $$$ down more than 20% from last year. DLs down more than 30%.
Worst month of this year, so far, even worse than January. Made more in December than April. IS seems to be in a free fall slide for anyone who needs more than an extra DL or two to have a BME."


Here's a gal who does her research!  :D

I realise that made me look like a Sean Stalker. I'm not, other than his montly stats. If someone who consistently uploads the sort of exclusive, high-production-value, shiny, happy, American photos that are, or were, the backbone of iStock has falling stats, particularly with his new stuff, that shows either something very bad overall is going on, or perhaps that the pie is being sliced too thinly, as of course, there are lots more people doing that material than years ago, on iStock and elsewhere.
Whatever, he's the only top exclusive BD who regularly posts his stats, so I use them as a barometer of how site is delivering for contributors (and follow the monthly threads in toto with great interest).

Oh Sue I think you ARE stalking him! why dont you invite him for some Haggis and Scotch!  make a pretty pair around Loch Lomond. ;D ;D

ShadySue

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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2012, 05:56 »
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Oh Sue I think you ARE stalking him! why dont you invite him for some Haggis and Scotch!  make a pretty pair around Loch Lomond. ;D ;D
Awa' an' bile yer heid.

Lagereek

« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2012, 05:58 »
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Oh Sue I think you ARE stalking him! why dont you invite him for some Haggis and Scotch!  make a pretty pair around Loch Lomond. ;D ;D
Awa' an' bile yer heid.

Bloody Nora! dont get anything of that but let me guess,  something about go boil your head? aint it.

« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2012, 07:00 »
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I know it's still early doors in August but so far this month my Istock earnings have been disasterous. They are currently in 3rd place behind FT and contributing just 17% to my total. Two years ago it was more like 40% and even recently they were holding steady at 25-30%. Hope it's just a glitch and things will pick up soon.

ShadySue

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« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2012, 07:17 »
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Oh Sue I think you ARE stalking him! why dont you invite him for some Haggis and Scotch!  make a pretty pair around Loch Lomond. ;D ;D
Awa' an' bile yer heid.

Bloody Nora! dont get anything of that but let me guess,  something about go boil your head? aint it.
GIYF

grp_photo

« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2012, 07:28 »
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« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2012, 07:35 »
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I'll up your haggis with a turducken!

ShadySue

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« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2012, 07:45 »
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I'll up your haggis with a turducken!
Wot? No partridge or quail?!

Lagereek

« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2012, 07:57 »
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I'll up your haggis with a turducken!

Sean!  have you ever had Haggis? actually its nice, done in the nice way but otherwise its, well you know. Now Sue is a genuine Scotish lass, BE CAREFULL mate, before you know it, she will have you over your knee at the top of Ben Nevis. :D

« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2012, 11:07 »
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I know it's still early doors in August but so far this month my Istock earnings have been disasterous. They are currently in 3rd place behind FT and contributing just 17% to my total. Two years ago it was more like 40% and even recently they were holding steady at 25-30%. Hope it's just a glitch and things will pick up soon.

Even for August, the last week was dire. The last couple of months, IS has held the top earner slot, but SS is beating it at the moment (and SS has had a slow start to August for me too). If I look at some of my popular files, their position in searches has moved back a few slots, but not much, and certainly not enough to explain the crash in sales. In a FB group there was a contributor who buys who was complaining that they were getting poor results in searches today (and saying it was the first time they couldn't find what they were looking for on what they believed was a simple search).  Perhaps something has changed in searches (versus an overall dropoff in business)?

lisafx

« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2012, 11:33 »
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I'm criticizing your agent, not you, your images or the effort you're putting in. I occasionally get ticked by the contingent that complains the only ones complaining are those not putting in the requisite effort - I think they just need to believe everything's wonderful to avoid acknowledging that this can happen to them too.

So true!  I don't know anyone in stock with more talent or effort on the line than Sean.  I know that sounds like empty flattery, but it is true in his case.  2k or more new images a year from him should produce an annual increase of sales and $.  The fact that it doesn't is very bad news for all the rest of us.  
« Last Edit: August 06, 2012, 12:21 by lisafx »

« Reply #65 on: August 06, 2012, 12:01 »
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Thanks all :) .  It certainly is worrisome.

« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2012, 13:08 »
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In a FB group there was a contributor who buys who was complaining that they were getting poor results in searches today (and saying it was the first time they couldn't find what they were looking for on what they believed was a simple search).  Perhaps something has changed in searches (versus an overall dropoff in business)?

There is a bad spam problem too. We all make occasional mistakes but some of it seems gratuitous and systematic. IMO they should prevent people from adding keywords after inspection unless they can definitely be trusted. I have the impression that many contributors wait until after inspection to add keywords - and that in many cases they are too lazy to check the correct disambiguation options and so select all of them.

I have the impression too that some users upload a complete series with all the same keywords rather checking each image.

« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2012, 13:43 »
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Thanks all :) .  It certainly is worrisome.

 We all know IS would be better with sean running it.  Bruce should have stepped back not sold and installed sean as ceo.  It would have been ballgame. 

   However some of the decline is due to digitial vs print.  I go to  web site with an istockphoto on the front page that hasn't changed for 4 years.  If this was a magazine they would never keep the same image for this many cycles.  I see this all over the place.  Poor decision not include a rebuy requirement after a period of time.  The photo becomes almost a logo. 

  Also yuri described a decline in sales for the first time ever recently.  Selling fewer images at higher prices would have delayed this "decline"  possibly for a long time.  How many agency and vetta would he had sold?  I guess saturation has been achieved.    Hence the lower sales and indies are not insulated from weak sales. 
   

  The question becomes is istock going to maintain enough sales to keep the "big rats" like sean ( not  a putdown!) from jumping ship.  If that happened then a mad scrabble would be next. 
 

« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2012, 14:00 »
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We all know IS would be better with sean running it.  Bruce should have stepped back not sold and installed sean as ceo.  It would have been ballgame. 

Nah. He'd go mad with power. And do crazy things like make illustrators fight to the death against rabid badgers, have rejected artists carry him around on a giant golden cow, and other unspeakable horrors.

« Reply #69 on: August 06, 2012, 14:11 »
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However some of the decline is due to digitial vs print.  I go to  web site with an istockphoto on the front page that hasn't changed for 4 years.  If this was a magazine they would never keep the same image etc

I see very much less traditional stock photography being used vs even a couple of years ago. We get much less mail through the door. The banks and other financial institutions we deal with no longer send us nearly so much printed material. Partly because they are no longer trying to tempt us to borrow money (they would rather play all that QE money on the markets). We get very little junk mail these days. The stuff my partner gets tends to be from retailers she actually uses and invariably contains only commissioned content.

Online I am seeing much less typical stock photography. What I am seeing is a big increase in the use of editorial and what used to be called walkabout stuff - eg at the sites and newsfeeds I am subscribed to via RSS and Twitter. Much more CC content and much more stuff from sites like Alamy, flickr etc

On a personal level, I have not bought a magazine or any other printed material at least since the iPad came out. We no longer buy books either.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2012, 00:32 by bhr »

« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2012, 17:53 »
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Do you think, long term, that tablets will eventually refuel the market for the higher res images as things like the 'retina display' pushes expectations of image quality higher?

Lagereek

« Reply #71 on: August 07, 2012, 00:36 »
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However some of the decline is due to digitial vs print.  I go to  web site with an istockphoto on the front page that hasn't changed for 4 years.  If this was a magazine they would never keep the same image etc

I see very much less traditional stock photography being used vs even a couple of years ago. We get much less mail through the door. The banks and other financial institutions we deal with no longer send us nearly so much printed material. Partly because they are no longer trying to tempt us to borrow money (they would rather play all that QE money on the markets). We get very little junk mail these days. The stuff my partner gets tends to be from retailers she actually uses and invariably contains only commissioned content.

Online I am seeing much less typical stock photography. What I am seeing is a big increase in the use of editorial and what used to be called walkabout stuff - eg at the sites and newsfeeds I am subscribed to via RSS and Twitter. Much more CC content and much more stuff from sites like Alamy, flickr etc

On a personal level, I have not bought a magazine or any other printed material at least since the iPad came out. We no longer buy books either.

This is true!  much less printed material and the same goes for commissioned work, few years back, a corporate annual report or company-profile could render in two weeks photography works, nowdays its done in a few days. The needs for pictures and illustrations are diminishing fast.

« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2012, 17:15 »
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What's a Sale????


 

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