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lisafx

« Reply #175 on: May 05, 2009, 17:37 »
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Who wants to bet IS goes under? But it won't happen because you are all too scared like a little drug addict with the spoon of opium already in your system.
You can't let go.
And Getty knows that.

harsh reality, hate to say it, and i am sure you hate to read it and accept it.

sooooo, let's all go under together with our egos still inflated.
have a good swim my exclusive friends.


Yikes!  Batman, you postings toward exclusives give new meaning to the term Schadenfreude. 

First off, lets not dance on istock's grave just yet.  To paraphrase Mark Twain (I know how you love those historical references ;) ) "The rumors of Istock's death have been greatly exaggerated."

Secondly, lets not do the independents vs. exclusives thing here.  Classic Divide and Conquer.  It's not just exclusives who will suffer if this plan goes through intact.  It is all of us and our entire industry. 

We may not all agree on what the solution is here, but we certainly (almost) all agree there is a problem and something has to be done. 
« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 17:52 by lisafx »


tan510jomast

« Reply #176 on: May 05, 2009, 18:12 »
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I agree with lisafx . The only thing that is certain from yesterday is that things are going to get volatile. batman , you're very eloquent and  there is some truth in what you say. But this thing involves us too, especially those with StockXpert, and I being one.

 

« Reply #177 on: May 05, 2009, 18:26 »
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Poor Batman.

vonkara

« Reply #178 on: May 05, 2009, 18:27 »
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Anyone who intends to opt out of the iStock/Getty plan to put content on Jupiter Images properties at low royalties, might like to change their iStock avatar to show that. You'll see a lot of red floating around the IS forums right now...
Good idea...

Get yours today for FREE!!

ADD to the discuss here http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=87899&page=1 and on MSG
« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 18:50 by Vonkara »

tan510jomast

« Reply #179 on: May 05, 2009, 18:47 »
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Poor Batman.

No, you mean, poor us !  I don't see anyone of us laughing.  ::)  Unless you think it's nice to get a slap in the face and be told the objective truth  :'(
« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 18:50 by tan510jomast »

Milinz

« Reply #180 on: May 05, 2009, 18:48 »
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Speaking of Corbis ^^...

As Corbis is one of the few agencies with enough reach to combat Getty, all of us who are independent should upload our content to Veer Marketplace as soon as that option becomes available.  I certainly plan to.

+1

P.S. If they appear to like my illustrations ;-)

tan510jomast

« Reply #181 on: May 05, 2009, 18:59 »
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Anyone who intends to opt out of the iStock/Getty plan to put content on Jupiter Images properties at low royalties, might like to change their iStock avatar to show that. You'll see a lot of red floating around the IS forums right now...
Good idea...

Get yours today for FREE!!

ADD to the discuss here http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=87899&page=1 and on MSG


rofl, How about one of peanuts? I have several of that in my portfolio ...
only 60 cents !!!  ;D

« Reply #182 on: May 05, 2009, 19:05 »
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Poor Batman.

No, you mean, poor us !  I don't see anyone of us laughing.  ::)  Unless you think it's nice to get a slap in the face and be told the objective truth  :'(

I just said that out of compassion, inferring from his words the kind of person he is. I may be wrong, of course, but, after all, compassion is a good sentiment.

What is happening at stock is another matter. I'll wait and see and if there are no changes, I'll opt-out (that's a no-brainer). In the end, what will happen with me, will happen to the majority of exclusives: words can be said, but what rules are facts and numbers. If as a consequence of this plans exclusives see their income plummeting, they simply will thrown their crowns and flood the other sites. Or something else, we'll see. If, against all odds, the plan works, we'll stay there. That will be seen in the next 6-9 months. In the meantime, having considered from the beginning that the "basket" was all microstock and not just one agency, I haven't all my eggs in one basket, so I can take it without any angst.

« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 19:08 by loop »

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« Reply #183 on: May 05, 2009, 19:10 »
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Looks like Batman's flame is out.

tan510jomast

« Reply #184 on: May 05, 2009, 19:11 »
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Poor Batman.


No, you mean, poor us !  I don't see anyone of us laughing.  ::)  Unless you think it's nice to get a slap in the face and be told the objective truth  :'(


I just said that out of compassion, inferring from his words the kind of person he is. I may be wrong, of course, but, after all, compassion is a good sentiment.

What is happening at stock is another matter. I'll wait and see and if there are no changes, I'll opt-out (that's a no-brainer). In the end, what will happen with me, will happen to the majority of exclusives: words can be said, but what rules are facts and numbers. If as a consequence of this plans exclusives see their income plummeting, they simply will thrown their crowns and flood the other sites. Or something else, we'll see. If, against all odds, the plan works, we'll stay there. That will be seen in the next 6-9 months. In the meantime, having considered from the beginning that the "basket" was all microstock and not just one agency, I haven't all my eggs in one basket, so I can take it without any angst.




peanuts?

tan510jomast

« Reply #185 on: May 05, 2009, 19:14 »
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Looks like Batman's flame is out.


Yes, batty has left the bldg; probably went to steer Getty's boat  ;D

oops, I meant to say, Corbis !...

NUTS !



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 19:18 by tan510jomast »

tan510jomast

« Reply #186 on: May 05, 2009, 19:22 »
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C'mon cheer up ppl, we're not at a 30cents funeral !  ::)

vonkara

« Reply #187 on: May 05, 2009, 19:27 »
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My neighboor who are wild buisnessman wants to help!!


tan510jomast

« Reply #188 on: May 05, 2009, 19:30 »
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My neighboor who are wild buisnessman wants to help!!




rofl, you are so funny. i thought you were sleeping though all this 03 cents commission hari kiri whatever.  what else we got to do, but laugh, laugh , laugh !
too bad i am not still in QC we could meet for a beer at Mtl Vieux.
Salut !

vonkara

« Reply #189 on: May 05, 2009, 19:38 »
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rofl, you are so funny. i thought you were sleeping though all this 03 cents commission hari kiri whatever.  what else we got to do, but laugh, laugh , laugh !
too bad i am not still in QC we could meet for a beer at Mtl Vieux.
Salut !
Yeah actually some incompetent constrution workers are waking me up at 6am each morning. I am some kind of zombie right now and never end shouting "bip bip bip" like I had the tourette syndrome. Yeah if you come in Montreal we will take a beer at old port, I'm ready to drink at 7am in the morning these days!!!

tan510jomast

« Reply #190 on: May 05, 2009, 19:41 »
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rofl, you are so funny. i thought you were sleeping though all this 03 cents commission hari kiri whatever.  what else we got to do, but laugh, laugh , laugh !
too bad i am not still in QC we could meet for a beer at Mtl Vieux.
Salut !
Yeah actually some incompetent constrution workers are waking me up at 6am each morning. I am some kind of zombie right now and never end shouting "bip bip bip" like I had the tourette syndrome. Yeah if you come in Montreal we will take a beer at old port, I'm ready to drink at 7am in the morning these days!!!

I may just be back next year. I miss my fashion shows, and money and business is slow here, and a lot better there. So you will probably see me back in M'real by 2010.

« Reply #191 on: May 05, 2009, 19:50 »
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If Getty is merging the databases from all of their sites into Photos.com which sells cheap subscriptions.  Why would buyers go anywhere but Photos.com in the future?  The only thing that would get them to look at other sites would be exclusive unique content that isn't on Photos.com

Look at the threads on the StockXpert forums where the programmers there ADMIT they are spending most of their time working on updates on Photos.com which is why they don't have time to fix bugs on the StockXpert site.

IS will suffer the same fate with Getty pulling human resources from IS to make Photos.com more friendly and attractive for buyers.

In the end, they'll say that there isn't enough unique content or sales on IS or StockXpert to justify maintaining them separately and they'll be merged into Photos.com completely.  And by then they will have enough of a customer base that submitters will have no choice but to stay with them and accept further cuts in payouts.

tan510jomast

« Reply #192 on: May 05, 2009, 19:59 »
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If Getty is merging the databases from all of their sites into Photos.com which sells cheap subscriptions.  Why would buyers go anywhere but Photos.com in the future?  The only thing that would get them to look at other sites would be exclusive unique content that isn't on Photos.com

Look at the threads on the StockXpert forums where the programmers there ADMIT they are spending most of their time working on updates on Photos.com which is why they don't have time to fix bugs on the StockXpert site.

IS will suffer the same fate with Getty pulling human resources from IS to make Photos.com more friendly and attractive for buyers.

In the end, they'll say that there isn't enough unique content or sales on IS or StockXpert to justify maintaining them separately and they'll be merged into Photos.com completely.  And by then they will have enough of a customer base that submitters will have no choice but to stay with them and accept further cuts in payouts.

Aren't they still cleaning up StockXpert of IP offending images? So, you may be right, then the next thing will be to clean up StockXpert of images old w/o dls . If this is true, StockXpert will be better... leaner, meaner.

DanP68

« Reply #193 on: May 05, 2009, 20:09 »
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I'm in a state of shock reading through the iStock forum thread...

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=87899&page=11

Question by Susan_Stewart:

I'm going to shout again

WHAT ABOUT VECTORS. Are you going to sell 15 credit vectors for three cents.?


Answer by Sylvanworks:
That would be up to the individual contributor.



Oh my goodness.  I am at a loss for words.  I'm starting to wonder why any of us bother with microstock at all anymore. 

« Reply #194 on: May 05, 2009, 20:15 »
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I'm in a state of shock reading through the iStock forum thread...

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=87899&page=11

Question by Susan_Stewart:

I'm going to shout again

WHAT ABOUT VECTORS. Are you going to sell 15 credit vectors for three cents.?


Answer by Sylvanworks:
That would be up to the individual contributor.



Oh my goodness.  I am at a loss for words.  I'm starting to wonder why any of us bother with microstock at all anymore. 


Yeah that answer kind of gobsmacked me. I'm not often lost for words, but!

stacey_newman

« Reply #195 on: May 05, 2009, 20:19 »
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the revolution thread has gotten embarrassing. look people, make up your own minds about this stuff. I`m opting out because I have done my homework. I`ve researched the issue and frankly I don`t want to have images at photo.com until certain issues with that site and the policies proposed are addressed.

but as for the protest, those involved need to step back and realize that unless they take a professional and more serious approach to this issue, they`re only making a ridiculous spectacle of an important issue.

it sounds like a group of angry teenagers in there. if they want contributors to come to the thread for information, one look at the idiotic posts and contributors will leave thinking it is just another stupid thread.

wow, stupid stuff on both sides of this one. I don`t get it. I`m too annoyed to go in that thread anymore. some of us just want some real information. NOT speculation and not BS.

DanP68

« Reply #196 on: May 05, 2009, 20:21 »
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Important note for IS Exclusives:

It is clear from the forum thread many of you think Photos.com and JIU are small players with insignificant traffic.  I see Alexa stats being quoted.

Unfortunately, nothing could be further from the truth.  The combined subs entity of Photos.com + JUI alone is enough to make it to #4 on my monthly earnings list.  It regularly beats BigStockPhoto and 123RF in my experience.  And it is growing.

Also consider the drastic drop in DL's many are experiencing at Shutterstock.  Coincidence?  Possibly, but I doubt it.  Photos.com + JUI undercuts the competition, underpays the contributor, and perhaps becomes the new king of subscription sales.  With Getty marketing, the sky is the limit.

Ironic in a way, isn't it?  For so long, plenty of IS exclusives probably wanted to see SS and their subs model go up in flames.  At least SS pays most of us 36c+ per download, $28 per EL, and has daily limits on downloads.  They may very well be the only thing stopping Getty from taking over the subscription market.  And if Getty takes over subscriptions, and puts their best effort (money) behind their favorite new toy, credit sales at iStock will go down in flames as customers are converted over to the cheaper solution.

DanP68

« Reply #197 on: May 05, 2009, 20:31 »
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the revolution thread has gotten embarrassing. look people, make up your own minds about this stuff. I`m opting out because I have done my homework. I`ve researched the issue and frankly I don`t want to have images at photo.com until certain issues with that site and the policies proposed are addressed.


Something to keep in mind Stacey...

Many of us discussing this here have already gone through this battle before.  Very few of us believed Stockxpert/Jupiter when they told us Photos.com/JUI would add money to our pockets.  Yet most of us gave them a chance. 

The results were far worse than I could ever have imagined.  Not only did overall income drop for many of us, but Stockxpert credit sales were quickly cannibalized by Photos/JUI 30 cent sub sales.  It was an unmitigiated disaster for contributors who loved StockXpert and believed in getting a fair share for our efforts.

But it was a touchdown for Photos/JUI and parent Jupiter (now Getty).  Photos.com and JUI traffic increased dramatically (I'm basing this on DL stats).

We've seen this before.  There is no reason for me to believe Photos/JUI will not eat iStockphoto the same as it did Stockxpert.  I don't believe for a second this will add to any contributor's bottom line.  You will sell more for much, much less.

Anyone who cares at all about the future of microstock should be involved with this.

tan510jomast

« Reply #198 on: May 05, 2009, 20:32 »
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I just came back from the IS forum, and I agree with Stacey most of it are not flattering at all. But what's worse is the big players are almost voiceless, other than to say, "Heck, ridiculous!"
I am a small player or not even that, as I just came in, but I would think even as naive as I am of microstock , as I don't spend too much time on it, I have been in business long enough (including public auditing) to know the implications of all this.
Correct me if I am wrong, ok?
With this arrangement, what used to be more expensive is now a fire sale, is that right? So, given that the buyers who have had budgeted for the traditional IS prices to buy your images, now being told they could get these at much much lower prices. What is there to stop every buyer from buying everything until they are no more images left to buy. Much like dredging the whole ocean floor in the fishing business. You are left with no ocean and no more resources for a long time. I cannot see how this is going to profit even Getty. Not unless they intend to take the profit in this short interim and close up after making all the money they can get.
Then the only losers would be just be us.

sjlocke and company, who used to be much more eloquent ,  if you are in a state of shock, you better get out of it and start thinking of alternatives with all of us included.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 20:39 by tan510jomast »

tan510jomast

« Reply #199 on: May 05, 2009, 20:46 »
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EDITED FOR BREVITY
We've seen this before.  There is no reason for me to believe Photos/JUI will not eat iStockphoto the same as it did Stockxpert.  I don't believe for a second this will add to any contributor's bottom line.  You will sell more for much, much less.

Anyone who cares at all about the future of microstock should be involved with this.

Spoken like a real trooper. Going over to IStock forum to talk is fruitless. We need you all here where there is an open forum, without censorship. But please, the teenage banters stay out of this.


 

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