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batman

« Reply #300 on: May 07, 2009, 11:41 »
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Welcome back Batty.  Glad you decided to hang around.  What would we do without your unique and controversial style?  ;D

I couldn't do with you, luv !  All night driving in my italian police lambo with armini interiors, and all I see is you and your shade and red backdrop. I am immensely obsessed by your shades, lisafx  8)


stacey_newman

« Reply #301 on: May 07, 2009, 11:47 »
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it will be interesting to see how iStock HQ responds to this. this is quite the litmus test. we will at least have some idea as to the power balance between Getty and IS. though I am impressed with the responses and the candor from admins. cynics might scoff at it, but I believe it to be sincere.

The latest update thread is quite informative. everyone seems to be behaving and there's a lot of great information being passed along. I like the prisoner's dilemma analogy. the issue makes more sense to those of us without the benefit of non-exclusive experience.

I'd suggest that someone like Jo Ann or Sean write a guide to microstock or something, but then again, why help your competition?

« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 11:49 by stacey_newman »

batman

« Reply #302 on: May 07, 2009, 11:52 »
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it will be interesting to see how iStock HQ responds to this. this is quite the litmus test. we will at least have some idea as to the power balance between Getty and IS. though I am impressed with the responses and the candor from admins. cynics might scoff at it, but I believe it to be sincere.

The latest update thread is quite informative. everyone seems to be behaving and there's a lot of great information being passed along. I like the prisoner's dilemma analogy. the issue makes more sense to those of us without the benefit of non-exclusive experience.

I'd suggest that someone like Jo Ann or Sean write a guide to microstock or something, but then again, why help your competition?



Ciao catwoman ,
at worst, Tyler will own the rights to this blog and will publish his first million seller...
THE TITANIC OF MICROSTOCK.
 
luvly 2 c u toooooooooooooooooo, catty!
and to be quite honest, u would look a lot more attractive with shades like lisafx
. where ur catwoman outfit ?   :P
« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 11:56 by batman »

stacey_newman

« Reply #303 on: May 07, 2009, 11:59 »
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there, I put my blue picture up....the catwoman suit is at the cleaners ;-) I can't copy Lisa's sunglasses, they are so her!

tan510jomast

« Reply #304 on: May 07, 2009, 12:05 »
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« Last Edit: May 10, 2009, 08:49 by tan510jomast »

batman

« Reply #305 on: May 07, 2009, 12:16 »
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there, I put my blue picture up....the catwoman suit is at the cleaners ;-) I can't copy Lisa's sunglasses, they are so her!

sweeeeeet !   and u did it all 4 moi???? i'm enchanted by blue ! :-*

So, what have I missed. I see no more OPT OUT in jsnover avatar. Instead I see her eating cacka...
(translation for the lesser educated  : cacka is that thing you move out of your system every morning).
That's sooooo typical of Titanic.  First , excommunication, now this.
This is hilarious. 

I have much to catch up, so I am going to open up a case of Guinness and read up what I missed.
This is soooooo interesting. Alfred, go get me 4 pints, oh never mind the pints, get me 4 jugs  !!!

batman

« Reply #306 on: May 07, 2009, 12:23 »
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Ciao catwoman ,
at worst, Tyler will own the rights to this blog and will publish his first million seller...
THE TITANIC OF MICROSTOCK.
 
luvly 2 c u toooooooooooooooooo, catty!
and to be quite honest, u would look a lot more attractive with shades like lisafx
. where ur catwoman outfit ?   :P

rofl, batty boo... THE TITANIC OF MICROSTOCK. rofl you are as subtle as a train wreck. where do you get your punchlines? old marx brothers movies?

seriously, good to see you back, i was going to take up knitting after you flew off in Superman's arms !   ;D

 


 :o :o :o :o tan, at least I am cool on subtlety. can't say the same 4 u, Meeester Tan !
do you know that you've got nothing on  underneath that towel ? Where's your manner ? Go put on something decent, we have respectable ladies here !
« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 12:25 by batman »

tan510jomast

« Reply #307 on: May 07, 2009, 12:30 »
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« Last Edit: May 10, 2009, 08:50 by tan510jomast »

batman

« Reply #308 on: May 07, 2009, 12:46 »
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^ Lisa, you know you are one of these people whose advice I always trust and take to heart. I am listening to everything you, Jo Ann and Sean are saying (and a couple of others). I already said that if the collective is large enough and its motives based on sound numbers, I will opt out with the collective. but I'm not making a decision based on the opinions of a handful of upset contributors and so far it has not grown into anything larger.

gostwyck, if you're accusing me of being arrogant, you're definitely the pot calling the kettle black. you don't have to drag this down to a personal level all the time. I agree that in a forum I sound direct in the way that I write, tone is often misconstrued, but I'm not an egomaniac in real life, just someone who cares about my work and who has seen office politics spin non-issues into major issues based on rumour. I don't want to be a part of that.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree. I'm saying nothing on either side has convinced me that this is either something to worry about or nothing to worry about. is it really that offensive for someone to wait and see what happens?


Stacey, this is your own decision, so really I would just ignore whatever you hear except your own mind. You have been using your nodder to waffle back and forth. And this waffling is pissing off some people. Quite honestly, I wouldn't give a rat's arse notice on what they say. The final consequence is to be suffer or enjoy by you.
I would repeat what Nero the fiddler said in the other blog:
------ I admire those that wish to stand by their principles and try to buck the system. That is what this country is all about. I don't think it will make any difference as I see the threads at Istock have been locked. I believe their minds are made up. I will follow what ever an agency offers that is in my best interest. Will this benefit enough people to offset those that are opting out. I imagine they have thought this reaction through in detail. Diversity is your best answer to this problem in the future. Spread your images as far and wide as you can. Learn from this lesson if it effects your income negatively and adjust accordingly. Their company their rules, it will always be this way. Good luck to all involved.-------------(unquote Nero the fiddler).

Let's see where else this dialogue is going to get us. If the god (aka IS) is going to come down from Olympus to pull the tape off jsnover or not.  I think the breach of faith has already been shattering.
Look at Stockxpert and learn from there. We are talking about the same motley crew so unless
the top people of IS and StockXpert are the typlical Dr Jeckyll Mr Hyde, I doubt there is going to be a miracle.
Just don't wait too long for a miracle, though ! You may be at the end of the gravy chain.

lisafx

« Reply #309 on: May 07, 2009, 12:59 »
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there, I put my blue picture up....the catwoman suit is at the cleaners ;-) I can't copy Lisa's sunglasses, they are so her!

LOL Stacey and Batman.  I generally do look at the world through rose colored glasses, but I have to admit I have not done so with this deal ;)

FWIW I did like Sean's list of suggestions in the istock thread.  If the subscription rates had a reasonable minimum and decent percentage for non sub sales (like the .30 and 30% at StockXpert) along with a provision to keep the exclusive images transferred to photos.com etc. to dollar bin images and deactivate them from the istock collection, that would seem to be a pretty decent deal for contributors.  "Why bone us?" indeed.

For me it was mainly the pitifully lowball royalties offered and the dilution of the istock exclusive collection that were sticking points. 
« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 13:01 by lisafx »

stacey_newman

« Reply #310 on: May 07, 2009, 13:29 »
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well, one good thing came out of gostwyck's lambasting of me yesterday....I was stuck at home with a sore back anyways, so I read every bloody thing I could find about this stuff, in particular I thoroughly read the new thread on iStock about this. I wasn't about to post here again unless I had an opinion.

my biggest concern is taking content from iStock period. I like iStock's hermetic appeal for exclusives. if they push this through, I just wonder why I would bother accepting tiny little sub sales at photos.com (sales that could also pull business from iStock) when I could just go non-exclusive and make way more at SS and elsewhere. so if this happens, I might as well go non-exclusive if I am going to take a hit on iStock anyways. at least as a non-exclusive, I can control where my files go.

I really hope they bin the whole thing. bad bad plan. though I think Sean's list is really intelligent, I'm not sure it would avoid the ultimate devaluation of the iStock brand.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 13:37 by stacey_newman »

« Reply #311 on: May 07, 2009, 13:37 »
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there, I put my blue picture up....the catwoman suit is at the cleaners ;-) I can't copy Lisa's sunglasses, they are so her!

LOL Stacey and Batman.  I generally do look at the world through rose colored glasses, but I have to admit I have not done so with this deal ;)
...

But isn't that your daughter in the glasses Lisa? (I'm not trying to make one of those fake "you two must be sisters" compliments - I really think it's her :))

donding

  • Think before you speak
« Reply #312 on: May 07, 2009, 14:55 »
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Personally I feel embarressed for ever getting involved with microstock. I can see all the macro stalkers out their having their laugh and their "I told you so"

stacey_newman

« Reply #313 on: May 07, 2009, 15:09 »
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I have colleagues involved in both, as micro and macro stock photographers. I know there are strong feelings about micro....but I would never call it an embarrassing venture. on the contrary. on the whole, we are just photographers looking for markets in which to sell our work, whether you find yourself in the micro or the macro camp is secondary.

the arguments -- the valuation and devaluation of art, and the usage of art for commercial gain-- are a dime a dozen.

« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 15:16 by stacey_newman »

RT


« Reply #314 on: May 07, 2009, 15:10 »
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there, I put my blue picture up....the catwoman suit is at the cleaners ;-) I can't copy Lisa's sunglasses, they are so her!

LOL Stacey and Batman.  I generally do look at the world through rose colored glasses, but I have to admit I have not done so with this deal ;)
...

But isn't that your daughter in the glasses Lisa? (I'm not trying to make one of those fake "you two must be sisters" compliments - I really think it's her :))

Or grand daughter  ;D

« Reply #315 on: May 07, 2009, 16:04 »
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there, I put my blue picture up....the catwoman suit is at the cleaners ;-) I can't copy Lisa's sunglasses, they are so her!

LOL Stacey and Batman.  I generally do look at the world through rose colored glasses, but I have to admit I have not done so with this deal ;)
...

But isn't that your daughter in the glasses Lisa? (I'm not trying to make one of those fake "you two must be sisters" compliments - I really think it's her :))

Or grand daughter  ;D

ouch, playing with fire

« Reply #316 on: May 07, 2009, 16:06 »
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there, I put my blue picture up....the catwoman suit is at the cleaners ;-) I can't copy Lisa's sunglasses, they are so her!

LOL Stacey and Batman.  I generally do look at the world through rose colored glasses, but I have to admit I have not done so with this deal ;)

FWIW I did like Sean's list of suggestions in the istock thread.  If the subscription rates had a reasonable minimum and decent percentage for non sub sales (like the .30 and 30% at StockXpert) along with a provision to keep the exclusive images transferred to photos.com etc. to dollar bin images and deactivate them from the istock collection, that would seem to be a pretty decent deal for contributors.  "Why bone us?" indeed.

For me it was mainly the pitifully lowball royalties offered and the dilution of the istock exclusive collection that were sticking points. 

I think "why bone us?" is going to be remembered for some time LOL  SJ"whyboneus?"Locke :)

batman

« Reply #317 on: May 07, 2009, 16:13 »
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Personally I feel embarressed for ever getting involved with microstock. I can see all the macro stalkers out their having their laugh and their "I told you so"

donding, no macro stalkers are laughing at this. remember they were there before... when microstock cut in on them. they too had to comply to microstock, and now, for many it 's the second time having the carpet pulled from beneath their feet.
nobody's laughing, only Getty !

« Reply #318 on: May 07, 2009, 16:21 »
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Personally I feel embarressed for ever getting involved with microstock. I can see all the macro stalkers out their having their laugh and their "I told you so"

donding, no macro stalkers are laughing at this. remember they were there before... when microstock cut in on them. they too had to comply to microstock, and now, for many it 's the second time having the carpet pulled from beneath their feet.
nobody's laughing, only Getty !
However as I keep trying to remind people who make the comparison, with microstock making inroads, it was with new contributors and new content - by and large people the trad agencies wouldn't let in to their market.

In this case, Getty's asking us to do this to ourselves with our own content! What kind of nuts would you have to be to agree to that without something very big in return?

DanP68

« Reply #319 on: May 07, 2009, 16:26 »
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I think "why bone us?" is going to be remembered for some time LOL  SJ"whyboneus?"Locke :)

How about a T-shirt:

Bonus!  No Bone Us!

donding

  • Think before you speak
« Reply #320 on: May 07, 2009, 16:31 »
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I think "why bone us?" is going to be remembered for some time LOL  SJ"whyboneus?"Locke :)

How about a T-shirt:

Bonus!  No Bone Us!

Heh you might actually get them printed up...you'd proubably make more money off it...lol

batman

« Reply #321 on: May 07, 2009, 16:36 »
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Personally I feel embarressed for ever getting involved with microstock. I can see all the macro stalkers out their having their laugh and their "I told you so"

donding, no macro stalkers are laughing at this. remember they were there before... when microstock cut in on them. they too had to comply to microstock, and now, for many it 's the second time having the carpet pulled from beneath their feet.
nobody's laughing, only Getty !
However as I keep trying to remind people who make the comparison, with microstock making inroads, it was with new contributors and new content - by and large people the trad agencies wouldn't let in to their market.

In this case, Getty's asking us to do this to ourselves with our own content! What kind of nuts would you have to be to agree to that without something very big in return?

So true Jo Ann ! hey , it's amazing how well you can still speak with the cakka in your mouth  ;)
Good for you, only the brave will survive ! Some of us hide behind a mask, and others speak out
without them. I salute you  for that  8)

donding

  • Think before you speak
« Reply #322 on: May 07, 2009, 16:43 »
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Personally I feel embarressed for ever getting involved with microstock. I can see all the macro stalkers out their having their laugh and their "I told you so"

donding, no macro stalkers are laughing at this. remember they were there before... when microstock cut in on them. they too had to comply to microstock, and now, for many it 's the second time having the carpet pulled from beneath their feet.
nobody's laughing, only Getty !

Yeah I guess you're right...I hadn't really thought of it that way.. ;)

« Reply #323 on: May 07, 2009, 16:59 »
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Don't bone me bro'!

« Reply #324 on: May 07, 2009, 17:07 »
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Don't bone me bro'!

As they drag him away never to be heard from again...


 

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