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derek

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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2017, 13:31 »
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They dont even survive on their exclusives anymore. They survive because of all blue eyed newcomers gullible enough to ask for exclusivity! its beyond me how a company like Getty could have handled this so bad.


jonbull

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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2017, 13:39 »
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Yes the sales volume seems to be up. So now more buyers will run to IStock for their cheap sub packages and SS and others will have to follow and introduce similar packages, right? >:(

I hope it will be many of us leaving their platform, so the buyers would need to come back on shutterstock, fotolia, etc. Otherwise we need to find something else to do. I don't know you, all, and  i cannot speak in the name of all , besides myself, but I will not agree to sell my work on pennies.

 I have a few images left on Istock, this month I earned 13 dollars with them. I have 2-3 images sold with less than 0.28. But I am still unhappy because I know that if I have had many images there, I would have sold many with less than 0.28. It's just statistics, nothing more.

i agree with you but then analyze and i see that average sale in february in istock is 1 dollar in ss is 0,55...so while they sell for 0,03 they also sell more than 6 for 24 dollar many for 4 dollar and between 1 and 4. so in my case they increase the number of sales, the revenue and money for image sold. ss is plagued with spammers and diluting earning per contributor accepting millions of images pe week...the best would be dreamstime and fotolia for me but they sell not like stock together so far.
b

Yep, but this may be just the beginning. How long do you thing it will take until the buyers would like to buy your images for 0.000whatever cents instead of paying 4 to 24 dollars? Moreover, don't be so happy that you sell more. I have found my images given for free on chinese websites, images that were token form Istock. I have complained and nothing happen. And it was form their website, because it happen that one of my stolen vector to be uploded only to them. After your work will be spread all over the internet, nobody will want to pay a cent for it anymore.
I don't say I gave up, that's why I didn't ask them to delete my account. I am just watching the trend and wait for a better deal. :)
Greetings.

PS: I also agree with you about shutterstock. Bad policy: accepting any crap. I don't see it as a good choice either. All nice stuff are buried in low quality images. Extremely demotivating.

as i stated my photography real is not shutter stock or stock...micro account for less than 20% of my revenue...and is something i do only for those photos i would leave otherwise in my hard disk.
the period people were busy in micro i was busy building a style and my real business, made of direct assignment, editorial etc.
so right now i'm not a lot concerned what will be in ten years. if i quit from stock there are thousand of contributors ready to join it and my move will only hart me. micro stock is going stock direction, apart rare cases like stocksy or offset rf is what created this.
so i not complaint anymore. just look what are my revenue end of months and stop.
last week i sold three prints direct to customer through a gallery i collaborate with for more than 1000 dollar per print net in my pocket. that's what interest me.
microstock wil be something possible in third world country as i already said in many thread.

jonbull

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« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2017, 13:41 »
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Yes the sales volume seems to be up. So now more buyers will run to IStock for their cheap sub packages and SS and others will have to follow and introduce similar packages, right? >:(

I hope it will be many of us leaving their platform, so the buyers would need to come back on shutterstock, fotolia, etc. Otherwise we need to find something else to do. I don't know you, all, and  i cannot speak in the name of all , besides myself, but I will not agree to sell my work on pennies.

 I have a few images left on Istock, this month I earned 13 dollars with them. I have 2-3 images sold with less than 0.28. But I am still unhappy because I know that if I have had many images there, I would have sold many with less than 0.28. It's just statistics, nothing more.

i agree with you but then analyze and i see that average sale in february in istock is 1 dollar in ss is 0,55...so while they sell for 0,03 they also sell more than 6 for 24 dollar many for 4 dollar and between 1 and 4. so in my case they increase the number of sales, the revenue and money for image sold. ss is plagued with spammers and diluting earning per contributor accepting millions of images pe week...the best would be dreamstime and fotolia for me but they sell not like stock together so far.
b

Yep, but this may be just the beginning. How long do you thing it will take until the buyers would like to buy your images for 0.000whatever cents instead of paying 4 to 24 dollars? Moreover, don't be so happy that you sell more. I have found my images given for free on chinese websites, images that were token form Istock. I have complained and nothing happen. And it was form their website, because it happen that one of my stolen vector to be uploded only to them. After your work will be spread all over the internet, nobody will want to pay a cent for it anymore.
I don't say I gave up, that's why I didn't ask them to delete my account. I am just watching the trend and wait for a better deal. :)
Greetings.

PS: I also agree with you about shutterstock. Bad policy: accepting any crap. I don't see it as a good choice either. All nice stuff are buried in low quality images. Extremely demotivating.

the problem is photography is so cheap. everybody can buy a camera a drone and be a photographer.
look instagram, thousand zillions of people with feed as good or better than the best micro stocker, real to give their photo free just for being noticed, same flickr 500px, instagram.
you think there will be lot of space for rf in the near future? i don't think.

« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2017, 13:48 »
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as i stated my photography real is not shutter stock or stock...micro account for less than 20% of my revenue...and is something i do only for those photos i would leave otherwise in my hard disk.
the period people were busy in micro i was busy building a style and my real business, made of direct assignment, editorial etc.
so right now i'm not a lot concerned what will be in ten years. if i quit from stock there are thousand of contributors ready to join it and my move will only hart me. micro stock is going stock direction, apart rare cases like stocksy or offset rf is what created this.
so i not complaint anymore. just look what are my revenue end of months and stop.
last week i sold three prints direct to customer through a gallery i collaborate with for more than 1000 dollar per print net in my pocket. that's what interest me.
microstock wil be something possible in third world country as i already said in many thread.

aaa, I get it. Sorry, I don't sped too much time here and i didn't read your previous posts. Well, i am pretty new in this area - microstock- (from the end of 2013) so I suppose I took it a little bit to serious and it really hurt me seeing Istock taking this bad decision. I even wanted once to be exclusive (last year before their announcement I took the decision to wait until the end of the year and then become exclusive with them) After their decision, I changed my mind :) I am only doing vectors and it is really hard to follow your vectors on internet. And they are spreading really fast all over.

« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2017, 13:52 »
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Yes the sales volume seems to be up. So now more buyers will run to IStock for their cheap sub packages and SS and others will have to follow and introduce similar packages, right? >:(

I hope it will be many of us leaving their platform, so the buyers would need to come back on shutterstock, fotolia, etc. Otherwise we need to find something else to do. I don't know you, all, and  i cannot speak in the name of all , besides myself, but I will not agree to sell my work on pennies.

 I have a few images left on Istock, this month I earned 13 dollars with them. I have 2-3 images sold with less than 0.28. But I am still unhappy because I know that if I have had many images there, I would have sold many with less than 0.28. It's just statistics, nothing more.

i agree with you but then analyze and i see that average sale in february in istock is 1 dollar in ss is 0,55...so while they sell for 0,03 they also sell more than 6 for 24 dollar many for 4 dollar and between 1 and 4. so in my case they increase the number of sales, the revenue and money for image sold. ss is plagued with spammers and diluting earning per contributor accepting millions of images pe week...the best would be dreamstime and fotolia for me but they sell not like stock together so far.
b

Yep, but this may be just the beginning. How long do you thing it will take until the buyers would like to buy your images for 0.000whatever cents instead of paying 4 to 24 dollars? Moreover, don't be so happy that you sell more. I have found my images given for free on chinese websites, images that were token form Istock. I have complained and nothing happen. And it was form their website, because it happen that one of my stolen vector to be uploded only to them. After your work will be spread all over the internet, nobody will want to pay a cent for it anymore.
I don't say I gave up, that's why I didn't ask them to delete my account. I am just watching the trend and wait for a better deal. :)
Greetings.

PS: I also agree with you about shutterstock. Bad policy: accepting any crap. I don't see it as a good choice either. All nice stuff are buried in low quality images. Extremely demotivating.

the problem is photography is so cheap. everybody can buy a camera a drone and be a photographer.
look instagram, thousand zillions of people with feed as good or better than the best micro stocker, real to give their photo free just for being noticed, same flickr 500px, instagram.
you think there will be lot of space for rf in the near future? i don't think.

I don't know. I choose not to do photography because I didn't afford a very good camera. In my opinion, everybody can make pics, not everyone can make Photos. :) I think the big problem is that micros are accepting all the crap. It was supposed to be something exclusive, for profesionalls, not for amateurs.

jonbull

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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2017, 14:18 »
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as i stated my photography real is not shutter stock or stock...micro account for less than 20% of my revenue...and is something i do only for those photos i would leave otherwise in my hard disk.
the period people were busy in micro i was busy building a style and my real business, made of direct assignment, editorial etc.
so right now i'm not a lot concerned what will be in ten years. if i quit from stock there are thousand of contributors ready to join it and my move will only hart me. micro stock is going stock direction, apart rare cases like stocksy or offset rf is what created this.
so i not complaint anymore. just look what are my revenue end of months and stop.
last week i sold three prints direct to customer through a gallery i collaborate with for more than 1000 dollar per print net in my pocket. that's what interest me.
microstock wil be something possible in third world country as i already said in many thread.

aaa, I get it. Sorry, I don't sped too much time here and i didn't read your previous posts. Well, i am pretty new in this area - microstock- (from the end of 2013) so I suppose I took it a little bit to serious and it really hurt me seeing Istock taking this bad decision. I even wanted once to be exclusive (last year before their announcement I took the decision to wait until the end of the year and then become exclusive with them) After their decision, I changed my mind :) I am only doing vectors and it is really hard to follow your vectors on internet. And they are spreading really fast all over.

i'm not clearly happy with th trend...but my choice will hurt only me not the rest of industry...if i quit stock, i should quit any micro stock website, cause 4 cent are not so much different than 0,25...we are giving away files for penny. so we should just haven0't begun this micro stock in 2005.
if 100 of us quit stock 100 new contributor will upload more content, as i already stated in eastern europe and south east asia, photography is first hobby and there are literally million micro stocker.
in february i stopped uploading, but after watching this month i decide i will upload again. for me the important is average per sale. one dollar is very good.

jonbull

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« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2017, 14:21 »
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Yes the sales volume seems to be up. So now more buyers will run to IStock for their cheap sub packages and SS and others will have to follow and introduce similar packages, right? >:(

I hope it will be many of us leaving their platform, so the buyers would need to come back on shutterstock, fotolia, etc. Otherwise we need to find something else to do. I don't know you, all, and  i cannot speak in the name of all , besides myself, but I will not agree to sell my work on pennies.

 I have a few images left on Istock, this month I earned 13 dollars with them. I have 2-3 images sold with less than 0.28. But I am still unhappy because I know that if I have had many images there, I would have sold many with less than 0.28. It's just statistics, nothing more.

i agree with you but then analyze and i see that average sale in february in istock is 1 dollar in ss is 0,55...so while they sell for 0,03 they also sell more than 6 for 24 dollar many for 4 dollar and between 1 and 4. so in my case they increase the number of sales, the revenue and money for image sold. ss is plagued with spammers and diluting earning per contributor accepting millions of images pe week...the best would be dreamstime and fotolia for me but they sell not like stock together so far.
b

Yep, but this may be just the beginning. How long do you thing it will take until the buyers would like to buy your images for 0.000whatever cents instead of paying 4 to 24 dollars? Moreover, don't be so happy that you sell more. I have found my images given for free on chinese websites, images that were token form Istock. I have complained and nothing happen. And it was form their website, because it happen that one of my stolen vector to be uploded only to them. After your work will be spread all over the internet, nobody will want to pay a cent for it anymore.
I don't say I gave up, that's why I didn't ask them to delete my account. I am just watching the trend and wait for a better deal. :)
Greetings.

PS: I also agree with you about shutterstock. Bad policy: accepting any crap. I don't see it as a good choice either. All nice stuff are buried in low quality images. Extremely demotivating.

the problem is photography is so cheap. everybody can buy a camera a drone and be a photographer.
look instagram, thousand zillions of people with feed as good or better than the best micro stocker, real to give their photo free just for being noticed, same flickr 500px, instagram.
you think there will be lot of space for rf in the near future? i don't think.

I don't know. I choose not to do photography because I didn't afford a very good camera. In my opinion, everybody can make pics, not everyone can make Photos. :) I think the big problem is that micros are accepting all the crap. It was supposed to be something exclusive, for profesionalls, not for amateurs.

micro was only for amateurs. few professionals joined micro, that's why people like yuri had free way to make billion...had studio and pro joined micro from beginning there would have been the same competition that there is now in micro stock.
the crap is the other side of micro, and for me is the same as selling file for 6 cents commission.

« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2017, 14:27 »
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Where i can see how much did i earn and what photo it has been downloaded and what i earned from that download?
I can see at Royalties only that charts, and i don't understand a lot from them...

Select the Export tab on the left. Then select your contract from the drop down list, select PDF for the type and then click the download button

« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2017, 14:36 »
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micro was only for amateurs. few professionals joined micro, that's why people like yuri had free way to make billion...had studio and pro joined micro from beginning there would have been the same competition that there is now in micro stock.
the crap is the other side of micro, and for me is the same as selling file for 6 cents commission.

I didn't know it was for amateurs and I don't know who yuri is :) Please do not charge my memory :))) When I have discovered this area was already too late (2013). The problem is I have it now in my blood and i can not stop, even i know it may not be a good think. I guess I need a shrink to treat this obsession :))) I'm just kidding. It crossed my mind to start doing photography and then I realize that a pretty good camera with all stuff you need exceed 10000 euros and I didn't want to risk loosing so much money. By the way, I am from Romania and I don't know many photographers / illustrators. I only met one on this form. But maybe because I am too busy with creating / uploading and my regularly job and I do not pay too much attention around me. 

Nice speaking with you. Now I'll stop writting so, greetings from Romania (a country full of corruption and idiots all around :) )

« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2017, 14:41 »
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Are you shittin me?

Mexico 100.00% iStock 0.42 15.00% 0.06

6 f-u-c-k-ing-cents? I think this is the end, they are driving all independents out with the insulting and repulsive commission. Two months to report that they just screwed us?
And exclusives as well!
I haven't looked at individual sales but the first two months are well above last year.  Maybe my best ever Feb.

« Reply #60 on: March 21, 2017, 15:13 »
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Where i can see how much did i earn and what photo it has been downloaded and what i earned from that download?
I can see at Royalties only that charts, and i don't understand a lot from them...

Select the Export tab on the left. Then select your contract from the drop down list, select PDF for the type and then click the download button

Thank you!

« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2017, 15:26 »
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GI earned more but me less.


Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2017, 15:38 »
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GI earned more but me less.



That visual really puts it in perspective doesn't it?

« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2017, 18:16 »
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Just trying to recall....minimum payout at iStockphoto is $100 or thereabouts? Wonder whether I should dessert them once I reach payout.

dpimborough

« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2017, 00:46 »
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Just trying to recall....minimum payout at iStockphoto is $100 or thereabouts? Wonder whether I should dessert them once I reach payout.

Yes payout is $100 do what you think best

I sent my deletion request no doubt they will take their sweet time reacting to it

Harvepino

« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2017, 01:57 »
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My 2 cents in this discussion. I've done some simple analysis of my Feb sales:

I had 347 sales in Feb. Out of those, 48 were less than $0.10 commission and worth $2.88 in total. Yeah 48 sales for $2.88.  :o

Other 93 sales were between $0.10 and $0.28, which is usual Thinkstock commission. These 93 sales earned me $16.90.

Summing it up, it makes 141 sales worth $19.78. Or in other words, I gave away 141 images for almost nothing.  :'(

How many sales are above $2,88? (Whis is how much my 48 lowest value sales earned in total and at the same time it equals to one On Demand Sale at SS.) I have 5 sales above $2,88. Five in a month!  :'(

To sum it up, in Feb I gave away 141 images for free, I had 201 very low value sales and 5 of what I would call "normal" sales.

I never expected anything else but disappointment from iStock's changes, but this exceeded my expectations. I am going to release my anger somewhere else, not by words in this forum and then I'll decide my next steps.

« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2017, 02:45 »
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A person at iStock's forum suggested that February subscription sales show only half of February's sales:

"The subs plans that started halfway through the month and beyond won't be reported until the next month's report. So going forward every report will show the last half of the previous month and the first half of the current month. Should even out with the total but if you're using a tool like Stock Performer the monthly subs for the most recent month will always be about half. "

If true, this may explain at least half of the problem (i.e. super low earnings for month of February as reported now).

« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2017, 03:38 »
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I have lots of $0.28, some $0.09, $0.02 s and a $53, I don't know what to say. Laugh or cry?

« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2017, 04:38 »
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Just trying to recall....minimum payout at iStockphoto is $100 or thereabouts? Wonder whether I should dessert them once I reach payout.
No need to wait, they make a last  payment with less than the minimum in your account.  As they take a long time removing a portfolio from their various sites, I suppose they have to pay out?

« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2017, 05:20 »
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Does anyone know if the PP's from December have been reported already?

drd

« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2017, 06:53 »
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GI earned more but me less.



That visual really puts it in perspective doesn't it?


Why is this happening, was there a price change in February?

« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2017, 07:50 »
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Why is this happening, was there a price change in February?

It's the changeover from the old model - where independents could earn up to 20% to the new one where it's a flat 15% for all indies. As they had "grandfathered" rates for several years, I was still getting 18% (which is still pathetic) even though I'd removed most of my portfolio in 2013. Not sure what the rate was for the person posting the chart but you get the idea

« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2017, 13:42 »
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Does anyone know if the PP's from December have been reported already?

I think I had PP sales on my January statement for sales made in December. Is that what you meant?

« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2017, 15:26 »
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Does anyone know if the PP's from December have been reported already?


YES! Where is PP report form DECEMBER 2016!!? Anybody? Still waiting ..

« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2017, 15:36 »
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Better complai. Than tell lie around a forum behind a nick name))
If i were cohere t i would close all my account in microstock, but cause i sell only my garbage stuff, i don't care what they do, i care if those diles sell. Actually istock even with some 0,04 cent, very few, is delivering a good payout. So complaini g about their choiche is eidicolous, 0,30 is much better and ethically good?
If they can geow like this, i have 450% more revenue in february than january, and 150% compared to dicember,  i dont care what they do.

Dude, w.t.f. is it your fingers or your keyboard that's the problem? You need to see a doctor or get your computer repaired ASAP

Your comment really made my day! :D

Yeah, we all make typos, and English is not everyone's first language, but jonbull, many of your posts are borderline unintelligible.  I'd like to be able to follow the conversation.   Maybe proofread before you post?
« Last Edit: March 22, 2017, 15:48 by PixelBytes »


 

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