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nazlisart

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« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2017, 13:27 »
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All n' all iStock still is 20% of my income right after SS 33%...

Somehow they manage to do that while agencies with acceptable commission rate like Adobe/Fotolia comes after them and agencies with a fixed 50% commissions like GL do not even appear in my Excell graph... 

It's time to accept the market we are in and make the most of it, or leave altogether and make a living in a more "fair" market... Good Lack!


« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2017, 16:14 »
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It's time to accept the market we are in and make the most of it, or leave altogether and make a living in a more "fair" market...
Why?
Why should we have to leave altogether? As I said, I don't consider iStock to be worth uploading to any more but I don't feel inclined to leave when I'm still getting a little bit back for effort I made in the past.

nazlisart

  • I create therefore I AM
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2017, 17:30 »
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It's time to accept the market we are in and make the most of it, or leave altogether and make a living in a more "fair" market...
Why?
Why should we have to leave altogether? As I said, I don't consider iStock to be worth uploading to any more but I don't feel inclined to leave when I'm still getting a little bit back for effort I made in the past.

I was referring to Microstock altogether and iStock is the pinnacle of the negative side of the conversation - somehow they represent everything wrong in the industry... Weather we like it or not they are one of the major players and also are part of the overall policy making. Having, even a few, commissions of 0.0something is sad and makes me furious but the overall picture is that their model works for both them and us.

I think worth uploading to iStock cause my spread sheet says so and so does for all their contributors. They are not going to change their approach unless the marketplace punish them for being out of balance. As long as they have happy customers, price/quality-wise and happy contributors return-wise they are going to keep on doing what they do, being major players & policy makers.

We either accept it and do the best with it or leave altogether...
What I'm trying to say is that I'm tired of all the nagging about iStock!

« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2017, 01:12 »
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We either accept it and do the best with it or leave altogether...
What I'm trying to say is that I'm tired of all the nagging about iStock!
The nagging is part of the process of trying to understand what is happening (well, some of it is, anyway, another part tends to be mourning for the good times that there used to be). You either have to accept it or leave the forum altogether, I suppose.   ;D

nazlisart

  • I create therefore I AM
« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2017, 04:56 »
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We either accept it and do the best with it or leave altogether...
What I'm trying to say is that I'm tired of all the nagging about iStock!
The nagging is part of the process of trying to understand what is happening (well, some of it is, anyway, another part tends to be mourning for the good times that there used to be). You either have to accept it or leave the forum altogether, I suppose.   ;D

I tend to agree with your psychological approach to the subject... I too like to nag (vent) from time to time ;D
The fact that I'm not into the "iStock nag" bunch is cause I chipped in to Microstock when the deteriorating of iStock was very well underway and I haven't experienced the "Good old Times" ;)

« Reply #55 on: July 09, 2017, 07:33 »
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I chipped in to Microstock when the deteriorating of iStock was very well underway and I haven't experienced the "Good old Times" ;)

Hard luck. They were very good indeed. I was making something like 20 or 30 times as much per image then as I do now. It really was worthwhile uploading. Woo Yay!
Then too many people climbed on board and the agencies started cutting what they paid out.

« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2017, 11:32 »
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All n' all iStock still is 20% of my income right after SS 33%...

Somehow they manage to do that while agencies with acceptable commission rate like Adobe/Fotolia comes after them and agencies with a fixed 50% commissions like GL do not even appear in my Excell graph... 

It's time to accept the market we are in and make the most of it, or leave altogether and make a living in a more "fair" market... Good Lack!
If we all accepted what istock have done, your earnings wouldn't be worth putting in Excell.  Leaving istock was the right decision for me, I just wish I hadn't waited so long.

« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2017, 20:00 »
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It's time to accept the market we are in and make the most of it, or leave altogether and make a living in a more "fair" market...
Why?
Why should we have to leave altogether? As I said, I don't consider iStock to be worth uploading to any more but I don't feel inclined to leave when I'm still getting a little bit back for effort I made in the past.

I was referring to Microstock altogether and iStock is the pinnacle of the negative side of the conversation - somehow they represent everything wrong in the industry... Weather we like it or not they are one of the major players and also are part of the overall policy making. Having, even a few, commissions of 0.0something is sad and makes me furious but the overall picture is that their model works for both them and us.

I think worth uploading to iStock cause my spread sheet says so and so does for all their contributors. They are not going to change their approach unless the marketplace punish them for being out of balance. As long as they have happy customers, price/quality-wise and happy contributors return-wise they are going to keep on doing what they do, being major players & policy makers.

We either accept it and do the best with it or leave altogether...
What I'm trying to say is that I'm tired of all the nagging about iStock!

are you a vector artist and thus getting 33% more return for every sale than indy photographers do?

nazlisart

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« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2017, 12:33 »
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are you a vector artist and thus getting 33% more return for every sale than indy photographers do?

Yes 95% of my portfolio are vectors... the rest, bitmap illustrations

« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2017, 14:37 »
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That it is not the main problem.
Return from photos are extremely low.
You have to factor how much time you waste uploading: as an example SS takes me less than an hour per month to upload about 200 photos. I get about $100 with them, it is only just worth doing, and only it because it does go up every month.
Bloody istock is so complex that it takes me 5-6 hours per month to upload there, so if it doesn't give me at least $400, forget it
No lie.  I do a LOT of editorial and have managed to figure out the required captions everywhere else, but ISTOCK always finds a reasosn to reject them.   That and them taking the power of contributors to remove images from sale were the tipping point for me and why I quit trying there.

« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2017, 14:40 »
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Some money is better than no money. :-(
Not if you're cannabalizing earnings with the same images elsewhere.

The trouble is, if you remove your image to prevent cannibalisation, there is very little chance that your picture elsewhere will pick up the sale you lost on iS. That sale will go to somebody else - probably on iS, but maybe elsewhere.
Even in the unusual case of your image being truly unique, the odds are probably still against it being found amidst a gazillion files on some other site, amid scores of different sites. And how many pictures are so unique as to not easily be substituted by something else?

You make a good point.  But istock was not making money for me and I am happy to forgo the few sales that I did make there. 

« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2017, 13:10 »
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I agree with you all on Istock, but since january, my RPD is close to 0.6$.  On SS is 0.55$. And RPI on Istock is close to 0.3$. Compared to SS which is about 0.2$. I do not know, feelings are mixed up, but numbers do not lie.

But how many DLs and how much does each make in total income? RPD is a false statistic is so many ways. My RPD is averaging $20 at Alamy, with one DL a month. Here's the sad part, that's more than I make now on IS since the change. And my iStock RPD is probably 20 cents. I haven't taken the time to do the math, because there are so many .02 subscription sales and the data they give us is almost impossible to evaluate.

Do you have the identical images on IS and SS for that RPI? I don't. For that reason, SS RPI is lower, many more images, but I'm earning more than ever on SS since the change and IS is down to 2007 income.

If I can ever manage my own images again on IS, I'm removing everything except the unsold leftovers. My hope is that some day, they may wake up and care about contributors and a fair commission rate. 2 cent subscription commission on a 10 cent download. Of course people are insulted and leaving.

Yes the fact that Getty has pulled this off and still has people happy to take nearly nothing and smile about what they get, is a masterful play, taking advantage of willing victims and desperate people. Above all, Getty is winning the race to the bottom by a large margin.

I agree with you that RPD is wrong in case of alamy, but in my case (Istock vs SS) here is the numbers:
Istock: about $400 - 670 DLs (RPD 0.6)
SS: about $190 - 470 DLs (RPD 0.4)

This is for month May. And for other months since January are pretty much the same math. I have same images on both sites, 50 illustrations less on istock compared to SS.

Because of that, I dont know what to think about Istock... In my case works fine, but...

Must agree, that's why RPD is only per person, not a general figure. Mine are much different from yours. More like RPD on IS is under 30c and on SS over $2 because of OD and EL. The obvious pint for someone reading these differences is, content. Whatever you are doing on IS is the right thing!  :)

I don't mind the RPD on Alamy, it's just never going to equal the volume and dollars a month that I make on Micro.


 

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