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cthoman

« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2011, 16:04 »

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Quote from: cclapper on August 29, 2011, 16:01

Quote from: dirkr on August 29, 2011, 15:24

Glad that I removed my portfolio.

My last four are coming down. One I designated for Photos+ so I think that one is stuck.

When does this kick in? The end of September? I was curious when my lease was up, so, I guess, I'll be joining both of you soon.


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helix7

« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2011, 16:05 »

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This all puts me in a really difficult position. Inclusion in ThinkStock is no longer optional. So my work has to be included, as do all non-exclusive artists' work, bolstering the TS collection and thus making TS a potentially stronger competitor to Shutterstock. Of course SS is my top earner, and so I'm not in the terrible position of having to decide if I want to possibly cannibalize sales at my top agency for the sake of my steadily decreasing istock sales, or pull the plug on istock for the sake of better supporting SS.

Not sure what to do with this news just yet...


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dirkr

« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2011, 16:06 »

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Quote from: cclapper on August 29, 2011, 16:01

Quote from: dirkr on August 29, 2011, 15:24

Glad that I removed my portfolio.

My last four are coming down. One I designated for Photos+ so I think that one is stuck.

I think if you don't agree with the updated ASA you might solve that problem...


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lisafx

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2011, 16:06 »

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Quote from: cclapper on August 29, 2011, 16:01

Quote from: dirkr on August 29, 2011, 15:24

Glad that I removed my portfolio.

My last four are coming down. One I designated for Photos+ so I think that one is stuck.

You can still remove P+ files from the site. You just can't leave them on the site and take them out of P+ before 6 months.


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jsnover

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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2011, 16:07 »

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Someone caught the fact that the new ASA doesn't include iStock as a contributor's agent, just distributor. Here is a brief blurb on the difference (in the US at least) between the two.

From that page "both the agent and the principal will have a legal duty. In particular, the agent is placed in a position where a high-level of responsibility and trust is imposed. This is known as a “fiduciary relationship” and certain obligations are placed on the agent regardless of any contractual responsibilities. The primary responsibility of the agent is to act honestly and in the best interest of the principal."


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cclapper

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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2011, 16:07 »

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This was no surprise...they made it clear months ago that non-exclusives were nobodies, they are just following through with what a lot of us thought was going to happen. They made it clear I meant nothing to them, and I am happy to oblige getting out of the way of their big plans.

I have a feeling this isn't over...they just allowed non-exclusives to tag images for the Photos+ program, thereby making more commissions from those photos. So those are all now going to go to Thinkstock, where they can be purchased for pennies? Am I missing something?


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louoates

« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2011, 16:08 »

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I read that if we don't agree (respond by checking the agree box) they will "deem" that we agree after a stated time limit and the new agreement will go into effect.

Excuse me while I bend over.


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Noedelhap

« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2011, 16:09 »

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As non-exclusives, we're being forced to sell our images through the PP-program.

So there are two options: either delete your port, or become exclusive. Angry


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cclapper

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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2011, 16:10 »

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Quote from: lisafx on August 29, 2011, 16:06

Quote from: cclapper on August 29, 2011, 16:01

Quote from: dirkr on August 29, 2011, 15:24

Glad that I removed my portfolio.

My last four are coming down. One I designated for Photos+ so I think that one is stuck.

You can still remove P+ files from the site. You just can't leave them on the site and take them out of P+ before 6 months.

Thanks for clarifying that, Lisa. That's what I will be doing.


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gostwyck

« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2011, 16:12 »

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Quote from: helix7 on August 29, 2011, 16:05

I really wouldn't worry too much about the 'threat' to SS any time soon. They seem to have coped admirably so far and if anything SS have been aided by the Getty sales rep's (with unintended collateral damage IS resulting). I suspect that the PP's biggest problem in the inadequacy of the search more than lack of content.


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Cogent Marketing

« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2011, 16:13 »

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Quote from: cthoman on August 29, 2011, 16:04

Quote from: cclapper on August 29, 2011, 16:01

Quote from: dirkr on August 29, 2011, 15:24

Glad that I removed my portfolio.

My last four are coming down. One I designated for Photos+ so I think that one is stuck.

When does this kick in? The end of September? I was curious when my lease was up, so, I guess, I'll be joining both of you soon.

No you should be OK. I deleted a bunch of Photos + as they weren't selling. Just remove them as usual in the administration/Edit page. They'll go.


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iclick

« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2011, 16:14 »

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Quote from: helix7 on August 29, 2011, 16:05

This is why I may have to delete my better performing files and leave the dross okay it will hurt but long term not as much as doing nothing

as already said this smacks of desperation ..... and IS can HUFFF.... AND PUFF... all they like, all they are doing is Blowing their own House down as TS will never get anywhere close to competing with Shutterstock!


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cclapper

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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2011, 16:21 »

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Quote from: Cogent Marketing on August 29, 2011, 16:13

No you should be OK. I deleted a bunch of Photos + as they weren't selling. Just remove them as usual in the administration/Edit page. They'll go.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm going over to do that now. I forget where the admin/edit page is. Roll Eyes


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cthoman

« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2011, 16:30 »

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Quote from: Noedelhap on August 29, 2011, 16:09

As non-exclusives, we're being forced to sell our images through the PP-program.

So there are two options: either delete your port, or become exclusive. Angry

I know which option I'm picking. Grin


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ShadySue

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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2011, 16:33 »

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Although it won't affect me, I can't help but notice that they're going to move the best selling photos over to Jupiter etc from where they won't earn RCs on iStock. Sneaky, or what?
(Oh, the first iteration will be mirroring, which is a strong hint that later they weill be moved.)


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rubyroo

« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2011, 16:34 »

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Oh boy. It's all that Kelly's parting message suggested it might be.

I always feel that I have solid ground under my feet with Shutterstock. With iStock, it's all shifting sands.


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gildedcage

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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2011, 16:34 »

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I think this new agreement is my last straw, I'm finally ready to unload my 200+ images from iStock, and my account from early 2003. Any suggestions where I can take them next—any miscrostock sites possessing an ounce of honesty or loyalty to contributors these days?


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madelaide

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« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2011, 16:44 »

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In short, does that mean subscriptions in those sites? The traditional subs, not IS-style?


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nruboc

« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2011, 16:44 »

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Question: "Will more content be flowing into iStock from the Getty family? Will we see contente from outside contributors and partner sites included in the "regular" (non-agency/vetta/editorial) collection at iStock photo?"

JJRD: "In answering the question : at times, some content will be coming in via Getty Images... and some will go to GI via iStock."

I wonder how much "some content" will be?


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halfshag

« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2011, 16:44 »

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Quote from: gildedcage on August 29, 2011, 16:34

I can't work with this either. I'll be unloading too.


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Smithore

« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2011, 16:45 »

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Mmmm,
So, as non-exclusive, if we don't agree with the new agreement, what happen??? We can not upload new files? We can not sell? We can not receive money from sale anymore??? In one word, if we not accept, our portfolio is automatically deleted from istock?
Where is the option to be agree or disagree?


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helix7

« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2011, 16:54 »

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Quote from: Smithore on August 29, 2011, 16:45

... if we not accept, our portfolio is automatically deleted from istock?
Where is the option to be agree or disagree?

Taking no action means you are in agreement with the new terms. To delete your portfolio, I think you'd need to contact them.


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Risamay

« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2011, 16:55 »

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Quote from: gostwyck on August 29, 2011, 15:06

All of a sudden I feel sick.

I agreed to it, but to quote a friend who's similarly livid - "Seriously guys, I'm almost done."


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dnavarrojr

« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2011, 16:56 »

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If you delete your portfolio and still have outstanding earnings, you lose that, right? So I'm better off leaving it there until I earn my next payout and then deleting my portfolio, right?


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mlwinphoto

« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2011, 16:57 »

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Quote from: Smithore on August 29, 2011, 16:45

As I understand it we cannot upload new files until signing the agreement but that is all....sales, payments, etc. will continue. We have a month to sign and if notice of intent to terminate your iStock contract is not given within that time frame the new ASA will automatically apply on Sept 28.


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