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« on: September 26, 2013, 19:56 »
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Dear IS,
I don't really care how many tweets you twitter, or new logos you roll out, or even how many matches you "freshen" up.  The fact remains that you have the stingiest royalty structure in the business and you will never get any more uploads from me until that changes.
Sincerely,
An X-Contributor



mlwinphoto

« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 23:53 »
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I went a couple of months without uploading then started with small numbers again a few weeks ago.  Complete waste of time.  I figured they wouldn't sell on iS with the way new files are being treated but was I hoping the new images would at least make it over to the PP sites.  However, my latest accepted are still squandering away on iStock and going nowhere.....along with the majority of my port.

'New' is getting old real fast.


Beppe Grillo

« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 00:41 »
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I totally agree with the OP.
Cosmetic surgery can change your face, it can not change your soul

« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 03:00 »
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I uploaded 38 from May 19 to June 13. So far, they haven't made it to the PP. They've pulled in 30 views and four sales (total earnings: $2.20) since then. It seems to be a complete and utter waste of time uploading there now.

« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 04:13 »
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I haven't uploaded in months.  Now I only go there to withdraw money or delete images.  Deleting with the Greasemonkey script is fast and easy.  Much more fun than uploading and probably makes me about the same money :)

« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 04:45 »
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Gel-O Shooter, I would give you over 500 votes - this is the number of images waiting to upload since May, but I won't upload. Why? Completly waste of time with iS. Not any more...
The other side, I believe they don't care our expectations. It's only our empty naive dreams...

« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2013, 05:35 »
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It looks like my earnings for Sept. will be the same as Jan. of this year or lower! Now I am speaking of the video side. That is going over the cliff for me so I dropped my exclusivity! actually feel a sense of relief. SS keeps advertising and pushing into new markets as I hear them on the podcast I listen to a lot. iStock keeps messing with their site in hopes that will bring the buyers back. I have no respect for Getty management! they have proven that they have no respect for the artist. When they say if you are video exclusive that all your files go over to Getty that is not true! All of my files are not at Getty and just a handful from my latest submissions are there! For video iStock is now a graveyard. All these very talented artist have left. morganl, eyeidea, jamesb, RyanWalters, Multifocus ....and the list goes on. I never thought I would see this day with iStock but then again they are not the first company to wreck a good thing! I don't see a recovery in sight for them so if you are upset then look for new markets and ways to make money. While stock is the bulk of my income I do a lot of other photo/video work which is now making up more and more of my income. To stay alive as an artist you have to adapt, I am on plan B now and I have a plan C as well. Don't let a company suck the joy and life out of you! Your the artist and your work is worth more!

« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2013, 08:05 »
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I uploaded 38 from May 19 to June 13. So far, they haven't made it to the PP. They've pulled in 30 views and four sales (total earnings: $2.20) since then. It seems to be a complete and utter waste of time uploading there now.

I uploaded about 100 around the same time. As you say half of them haven't made it to the PP and sales over the 3 months wouldn't even have covered minimum wage for the time I spent uploading to their ridiculous system. Never again until a significant royalty increase and an end to the RC system.

Oh, and due to the price reduction it looks like this year I won't make the RC level to maintain my paltry 18% rate ... so now even less incentive to upload.

« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 08:05 »
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I finally figured out that as a non-exclusive I'm not wanted at IS. The recent pay-cuts and binning of all my images into the main collection were the final straw. Most sales there earned less than SS subs.

So, I've only gone back to remove my best sellers. No significant loss of income as I've had a great past few months at Shutterstock.

They would have to pull out some major changes (like image exclusivity or something) to make me even consider coming back.

Not that I'll be missed.

« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2013, 08:15 »
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I have been faithfully exclusive since 2007 for video and I was set to drop an RC level this year because of such low video sales.

mlwinphoto

« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 09:23 »
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I have been faithfully exclusive since 2007 for video and I was set to drop an RC level this year because of such low video sales.

Wow, you dropped your crown?  (Must have been very recently as the crown icon is still by your name.)  Good for you.  You'll sleep alot better at night.

Wake up iStock, you continue to lose more of your loyal exclusive base.

« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 09:28 »
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I have been faithfully exclusive since 2007 for video and I was set to drop an RC level this year because of such low video sales.
I've been meaning to drop video exclusivity for a while now, just haven't spent much time focused on video this year.  Do you know if mirrored videos will stay up on Getty after going nonexclusive?

« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 09:35 »
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Why does IS still list "trending" images by highest rating when no one but inspectors can rate anymore?

http://www.istockphoto.com/participate/contributor-lounge/trends

« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 09:55 »
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guys, the game is OVER at Istock !

what did you expected from a company eating up to 85% of any sales ?

and considering there are protests in places like Germany to set the minimum wage at 10 euro/day (13$) how is it even allowed to be legal to sell digital goods that require considerable production costs for as low as 0.15$ with the promise that somehow it will sell many times over time ?

because that is the problem, only a few of the new images you upload will sell many times, and one day you'll be lucky to sell once exactly as in RM.

and yet, this is not a problem for the agencies, it's our problem and we can only blame ourselves to stick with such a broken system and such greedy agencies that are only interested in monetizing huge volumes of images.

seriously, even if i was an amateur uploading on Flickr and Instagram what reason should i ever have to waste so much time in editing/keywording/uploading when the payout is such a joke ? at least on Flickr and Instagram you could be lucky and find the odd buyer requesting a Print or even an assignment, on istock you're buried and sandboxed.

at the same time Alamy is slashing prices once again, another BAD sign.
SS isn't showing any will to raise the fees, no matter if in most of the world the inflation is 10-15% in real terms, and if they can they will cut fees a bit more to show their shareholders they keep growing fast.

i would not recommend anybody to enter stock now.

« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 09:56 »
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Why does IS still list "trending" images by highest rating when no one but inspectors can rate anymore?

http://www.istockphoto.com/participate/contributor-lounge/trends


they should remove the ranking, the forum, the profiles, everything, it doesnt make sense now to be half-agency and half social network.

« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2013, 10:00 »
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So what's new about it? They haven't even changed a thing not even the design, only the logo became even less memorable. It's the same dysfunctional junk site.

« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2013, 10:00 »
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i would not recommend anybody to enter stock now.

I agree, please guys remove portfolios ASAP ;D

« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2013, 10:04 »
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I still have my crown :-) my Clapper will be gone on Oct.11 As far as I know video's that are at Getty will remain there even after you drop exclusivity. You will drop from 25% to 20% on Getty earnings. Of course I say this tongue in cheek as they can change and do to you whatever they want so nothing is guaranteed! I a still not thrilled with the sub prices at SS so I will keep my photos exclusive at IS for a while as photos are not my main focus. I am thrilled to be offering my full medical collection at SS and Pond5 in October, all of my clips are already loaded, keyworded and approved so all I have to do is flip the switch when my 30 days are up. 

« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2013, 10:04 »
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In Germany the communists are demanding a minimum wage of 10 euros an hour...

It is your decision to sell files for 15 cents. Don't offer them for that price if you don't want to.

But many artists specialize in creating content for high volume sites and do very well with it.

The beauty of he internet is that you can sell wherever and however you want. Noone standing in the way of your success.

There are many more artists selling stock today then ever before and especially for people living in second/third world countries it is an amazing way to make money and be indepdent from their local job market.

jbarber873

« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2013, 10:19 »
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It looks like my earnings for Sept. will be the same as Jan. of this year or lower! Now I am speaking of the video side. That is going over the cliff for me so I dropped my exclusivity! actually feel a sense of relief. SS keeps advertising and pushing into new markets as I hear them on the podcast I listen to a lot. iStock keeps messing with their site in hopes that will bring the buyers back. I have no respect for Getty management! they have proven that they have no respect for the artist. When they say if you are video exclusive that all your files go over to Getty that is not true! All of my files are not at Getty and just a handful from my latest submissions are there! For video iStock is now a graveyard. All these very talented artist have left. morganl, eyeidea, jamesb, RyanWalters, Multifocus ....and the list goes on. I never thought I would see this day with iStock but then again they are not the first company to wreck a good thing! I don't see a recovery in sight for them so if you are upset then look for new markets and ways to make money. While stock is the bulk of my income I do a lot of other photo/video work which is now making up more and more of my income. To stay alive as an artist you have to adapt, I am on plan B now and I have a plan C as well. Don't let a company suck the joy and life out of you! Your the artist and your work is worth more!

This part is the heart of the matter. 2007 was a different world. Video is becoming a very important part of communication and the market is growing by leaps and bounds. It should have been easy for Istock to dominate the market, but as with everything else, they seem to revel in stupid management moves.
Things change, and unless you change with them, it's over.

« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2013, 02:13 »
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jjneff

Welcome in the world of indies!

Especially with video, I think you will soon recover lost income and it just feels great to see an increase in sales again in proportion to the work you put in.

It wasn't your fault that your income dropped on istock. And considering that video is a new and growing market it is incredible how they weren't able to grow their market share and kept fallin back.



« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2013, 02:16 »
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There are many more artists selling stock today then ever before and especially for people living in second/third world countries it is an amazing way to make money and be indepdent from their local job market.

Actually i'm living in a third world country and i can tell you photographers here are not cheap and the cost of the gear is on par with china and japan with some lenses priced the same as Amazon US especially the good ones, the NGOs pay western rates and so do the wire agencies like AP/AFP/Reuters.

If you think you can come here and shoot marriages or studio/fashion stuff for a pittance you're wrong.
Prints, framing, and shipping are also on par with the rest of asia that means just a little cheaper than in the west, no big bargains unless you make big volumes.

Selling pics for 0.15$ can certainly help to survive if you live like the locals but the inflation is skyrocketing, with 0.15$ you can barely buy a few bananas at the market or a small bag of rice ... i mean 1kg of rice is 0.75$ for instance and same for a cheap meal on the street, that means 4-5 downloads at Thinkstock/PP !

If the agencies or the buyers are deluding themselves thinking some digital slave will shoot stock photos in poor countries for less than 1 dollar they're utterly wrong, 1$ is nothing even here and white collars earn easily 3-400$/month with managers earning up to 1000$, now who's going to buy 2-3000$ of gear and upload to SS/IS to starve with their miserable fees ? And how many in the third world have enough english skills to make a good keywording ? If they had all these skills they would work for photo studios, assignments, wire agencies, TVs, newspapers, not certainly microstock.

No glass ceiling in microstock ? wrong, think again, even in India they would refuse to work for such a pittance.



« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2013, 02:21 »
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In Germany the communists are demanding a minimum wage of 10 euros an hour...

And rightly so, take a look at the cost of living in germany.


Ron

« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2013, 02:40 »
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In Germany the communists are demanding a minimum wage of 10 euros an hour...

And rightly so, take a look at the cost of living in germany.
Well, what is the cost of living in Germany? You seem to know.

« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2013, 03:51 »
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It varies greatly from region to region. Im some areas 700 euros net a month can be enough, because rent in some part of Germany is incredibly low and you receive around 184-214 euros government bonus per child irrespective of your personal income until the child is 18 (sometimes until 25). So assume two parents two children, one parent working part time (maybe in a 300 euro job) the family income with child allowance would still be 700+300+184+184 = 1368 euros. And this income includes 6 weeks of paid holidays a year (minimum is 25 work days, add a few public holidays - 6 weeks). Medical insurance is covered by the employer and will usually include the family.

In a place like Munich it would probably be difficult to survive on less than 1200 net a month. But in Munich you will also get much higher salaries. So in some parts of Germany even 5-7 euros an hour an hour can feed you, in some parts you will need more than 10 euros.

And obviously you can qualify yourself and move up to a different position where you will earn more. the educational infrastructure is superb and there is lots of government sponsored programs to qualify yourself. Education is usually free anyway, you just need to buy books etc...and if you are really poor and on government welfare they will even cover that.

If you have family and friends in parts of the world that are not as rich as Germany you can never understand how people who live her can complain anyway. School is free, University is nearly free or costs maybe 1200 euros a year. Loads of opportunities to get trained and educated and young people can always find a job.

There are some poorer regions where life is a little harder, but...you can move...which is what obviously many people do. In south Germany the cities are helping companies organize job events in Spain or eastern Europe to attract more workers, because they cant find them anymore.

Obviously there will always be people who have difficult times. But I would rather fall on hard times in Germany and deal with governement bureaucracy than anywhere else, except maybe for Sweden or Norway or Holland.

So to "demand" a minimum of 10 euros a month for any job, anywhere in the country, if you consider everything the German governemnt offers for free and that other people living in other places have to toil and save for, especially the costs of educating their children, I think it is quite an arrogant thing to do.

I am not against setting minimum wages by the way. But I believe it should be done locally and be specific to a certain trade. And in some areas and for some jobs, the minimum wage can probably be higher than 10 euros.

But of course, anyone can keep asking for more and I am sure if we had a minimum wage of 10 euros, they would then demand 20...
« Last Edit: September 28, 2013, 03:59 by cobalt »


 

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