Author Topic: Uploading to IS to get onto TS - Your opinion (Read 23419 times)

ShadySue · « **Reply #75 on:** October 23, 2013, 06:52 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 23, 2013, 06:21

Yes, seems odd that some people are upset because they can't opt out of the flat rate 28c DLS. And for anyone who complains it's the same as SS, where are the ELs, ODD and other options, like SS?

Heaven forbid that I should sound like an ambassador for the PP (cheap subs are cheap subs), but there are image pack sales: http://www.thinkstockphotos.co.uk/subscribe?isource=viewplans_merch_home,
and also extended licences:
http://www.thinkstockphotos.co.uk/Legal/license-information?isource=pricing_viewlicensedetails
though I have no idea what the contributor gets from these. But people were reporting more better than flat-rate sales from September here on msg.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/september-partner-program-started!

lisafx · « **Reply #76 on:** October 23, 2013, 12:57 »

Quote from: gostwyck on October 22, 2013, 20:15

All the reasons we originally had for 'starving the PP' still apply IMHO (in so far as we have control). We earn far more with SS per download, we get full credit or our work (that's important to me) and SS are far more transparent and trustworthy than Getty/IS.

I understand the points you are making, and they are certainly valid. However, any independent who has uploaded to Istock over the past several months is feeding the PP, whether that is their intention or not.

Starving the PP to help SS doesn't seem to have served any purpose that I can see. Perhaps if all indies hadn't been forced into the PP it might have been effective, but in the current situation, I don't think it makes any difference.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #77 on:** October 29, 2013, 19:54 »

True if people are excited about getting 44c RPD instead of 28 cents.

Then the other side:

Quote from: luissantos84 on October 17, 2013, 07:22

yep, that said you need to keep feeding the beast because my PP sales are now less than half comparing to 2012

But let me put it a different way.

People who were forced to have their images on TS, and the independents who have no choice, were unhappy that they didn't have the ability to Opt. out and their images were producing roughly $1.20 less per download.

On the other hand, Exclusives who now have their collections back in the higher paying area are unhappy because they can't make 28 cents a download selling subs. They feel left out of potential income.

The inevitable conclusion is this, no matter what IS does, someone will be unhappy!

I've already mentioned the benefit and reward for going audio exclusive, is that now, I'm getting 25 cent downloads marked GI instead of the $1.60 DLs for the same material on IS. Boy do I feel like a dope. The idea was I'd get a higher commission, not that I'd be sold out, and undercutting myself, on another site owned by the same agency. Kind of sneaky and creepy in an uncomfortable way. My payback for loyalty was a stab in the back.

Quote from: ShadySue on October 23, 2013, 06:52

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 23, 2013, 06:21
Yes, seems odd that some people are upset because they can't opt out of the flat rate 28c DLS. And for anyone who complains it's the same as SS, where are the ELs, ODD and other options, like SS?

Heaven forbid that I should sound like an ambassador for the PP (cheap subs are cheap subs), but there are image pack sales: http://www.thinkstockphotos.co.uk/subscribe?isource=viewplans_merch_home,
and also extended licences:
http://www.thinkstockphotos.co.uk/Legal/license-information?isource=pricing_viewlicensedetails
though I have no idea what the contributor gets from these. But people were reporting more better than flat-rate sales from September here on msg.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/september-partner-program-started!

Ron · « **Reply #78 on:** October 30, 2013, 01:59 »

That svcks Pete

etienjones · « **Reply #79 on:** October 30, 2013, 02:56 »

What I think I know:

1. No client will leave a site to find MY images elsewhere (this may not be true for other photographers)
2. The agencies supply chain is too diverse for collective action against them.
3. Prices will continue to decline because of oversupply.

Conclusion:

Get what you can from all sources, while you can.

Gannet77 · « **Reply #80 on:** October 30, 2013, 03:15 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 29, 2013, 19:54

People who were forced to have their images on TS, and the independents who have no choice, were unhappy that they didn't have the ability to Opt. out and their images were producing roughly $1.20 less per download.

On the other hand, Exclusives who now have their collections back in the higher paying area are unhappy because they can't make 28 cents a download selling subs. They feel left out of potential income.

The inevitable conclusion is this, no matter what IS does, someone will be unhappy!

Actually, Exclusives made a minimum of 38 cents a download in the PP, or more depending on their royalty level - but your conclusion is still valid!

Pilens · « **Reply #81 on:** October 30, 2013, 03:29 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 29, 2013, 19:54

People who were forced to have their images on TS, and the independents who have no choice, were unhappy that they didn't have the ability to Opt. out and their images were producing roughly $1.20 less per download.

On the other hand, Exclusives who now have their collections back in the higher paying area are unhappy because they can't make 28 cents a download selling subs. They feel left out of potential income.

The inevitable conclusion is this, no matter what IS does, someone will be unhappy!

I think your conclusion is not valid. IS could shut up a majority of critics by simply making all this opt in/opt out. But they choose not doing it.

Ron · « **Reply #82 on:** October 30, 2013, 03:31 »

Quote from: etienjones on October 30, 2013, 02:56

What I think I know:

1. No client will leave a site to find MY images elsewhere (this may not be true for other photographers)
2. The agencies supply chain is too diverse for collective action against them.
3. Prices will continue to decline because of oversupply.

Conclusion:

Get what you can from all sources, while you can.

Agree

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #83 on:** October 30, 2013, 11:33 »

Yes, if your plan is based on and directed at "All Sources" rather that profitable or higher paying sources.

People who advocate the all sources plan should then have their images on 50 or more sites and be true to the business plan.

If they are going to pick and choose, then someone who chooses two (which would really be four, because SS / BS and IS / TS) is pretty much play the same way, non-exclusive and picking targets by value. The only difference is debating whether the answer is two, ten, 25 or 50?

By the way, I made a mistake. I get 24 cents for exclusive audio file DLs on GI, not 25 cents.

And good point about Exclusives getting a better rate for TS. I also would agree 100% about Opt. in / Opt. Out as the real answer for all types of contributors. Every agency should be set up like that. Instead we often get railroaded into things with the only option be, do what they say, or go away. For IS I'm happy to be included with TS DLs at 28 cents, some people aren't.

When it comes to hidden partners and no disclosure I chose to Go Away. That's why I'm down to SS and IS Micro RF - Alamy for Editorial RM. (and testing on one other which I suspect I will drop when I cash out, unless things pick up.) So there's my personal All Sources.

Quote from: etienjones on October 30, 2013, 02:56

What I think I know:

1. No client will leave a site to find MY images elsewhere (this may not be true for other photographers)
2. The agencies supply chain is too diverse for collective action against them.
3. Prices will continue to decline because of oversupply.

Conclusion:

Get what you can from all sources, while you can.

etienjones · « **Reply #84 on:** October 30, 2013, 11:51 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 30, 2013, 11:33

Yes, if your plan is based on and directed at "All Sources" rather that profitable or higher paying sources.

People who advocate the all sources plan should then have their images on 50 or more sites and be true to the business plan.

If they are going to pick and choose, then someone who chooses two (which would really be four, because SS / BS and IS / TS) is pretty much play the same way, non-exclusive and picking targets by value. The only difference is debating whether the answer is two, ten, 25 or 50?

By the way, I made a mistake. I get 24 cents for exclusive audio file DLs on GI, not 25 cents.

And good point about Exclusives getting a better rate for TS. I also would agree 100% about Opt. in / Opt. Out as the real answer for all types of contributors. Every agency should be set up like that. Instead we often get railroaded into things with the only option be, do what they say, or go away. For IS I'm happy to be included with TS DLs at 28 cents, some people aren't.

When it comes to hidden partners and no disclosure I chose to Go Away. That's why I'm down to SS and IS Micro RF - Alamy for Editorial RM. (and testing on one other which I suspect I will drop when I cash out, unless things pick up.) So there's my personal All Sources.

Quote from: etienjones on October 30, 2013, 02:56
What I think I know:

1. No client will leave a site to find MY images elsewhere (this may not be true for other photographers)
2. The agencies supply chain is too diverse for collective action against them.
3. Prices will continue to decline because of oversupply.

Conclusion:

Get what you can from all sources, while you can.

For me, at least, there are only a few that is worth the electricity it takes to upload.

JPSDK · « **Reply #85 on:** October 30, 2013, 12:05 »

for me it is simple. I do not make trade with robber byrons.

tickstock · « **Reply #86 on:** October 30, 2013, 12:12 »

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #87 on:** October 30, 2013, 12:34 »

Did you interpret that factually or just twist it to fit your personal opinion? Robber Byrons (or Robber Barons) Could be people who lower our commissions and raise prices and percentages? Or in my opinion the places that grant us some measly 20% and keep 80% for their own coffers.

Sub sites could be paying us higer commissions than many places that sell packages, single DLs and other ways. In fact the Sub sites, do pay us a higher commission! WHo's the robber in that?

Quote from: tickstock on October 30, 2013, 12:12

Quote from: JPSDK on October 30, 2013, 12:05
for me it is simple. I do not make trade with robber byrons.
Agreed, cheap sub sites are what's wrecking this industry.

Quote from: etienjones on October 30, 2013, 11:51

For me, at least, there are only a few that is worth the electricity it takes to upload.

Still variable on how much one pays for electricity? LOL

In my case, I'm not willing to upload to some places, if it means I have to open ftp and hit send. They just don't have any appeal to me personally.

I was trying to get to the fair point, that for one person exclusive makes sense, for others limited distribution, and yet for others, greater volume, more agencies and last, the shotgun method, shoot everything, everywhere, a big wide blast, and see what gets hit!

Ron · « **Reply #88 on:** November 04, 2013, 13:22 »

I have made up my mind. I am not going to continue using The Dot.

The site annoys me too much, its too slow, they are a bunch of w@nkers over at IS. Lobo is a complete tool. And submitting images to IS is just worse then a hot poker in the ballsack.

Its too much to get a few bucks extra, plus it would make me a hypocrite, I couldnt live with my beautiful self.

So, thanks all for your thoughts, I am done deciding

tickstock · « **Reply #89 on:** November 04, 2013, 13:41 »

Ron · « **Reply #90 on:** November 04, 2013, 13:47 »

Quote from: tickstock on November 04, 2013, 13:41

Quote from: Ron on November 04, 2013, 13:22
I have made up my mind. I am not going to continue using The Dot.

The site annoys me too much, its too slow, they are a bunch of w@nkers over at IS. Lobo is a complete tool. And submitting images to IS is just worse then a hot poker in the ballsack.

Its too much to get a few bucks extra, plus it would make me a hypocrite, I couldnt live with my beautiful self.

So, thanks all for your thoughts, I am done deciding
Good decision, congrats!

So you agree with all my reasons. Finally you come to your senses.

tickstock · « **Reply #91 on:** November 04, 2013, 13:49 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #92 on:** November 04, 2013, 14:07 »

Quote from: tickstock on November 04, 2013, 13:49

Quote from: Ron on November 04, 2013, 13:47
Quote from: tickstock on November 04, 2013, 13:41
Quote from: Ron on November 04, 2013, 13:22
I have made up my mind. I am not going to continue using The Dot.

The site annoys me too much, its too slow, they are a bunch of w@nkers over at IS. Lobo is a complete tool. And submitting images to IS is just worse then a hot poker in the ballsack.

Its too much to get a few bucks extra, plus it would make me a hypocrite, I couldnt live with my beautiful self.

So, thanks all for your thoughts, I am done deciding
Good decision, congrats!
So you agree with all my reasons. Finally you come to your senses.
Not all your reasons, the ones you just put out are emotional and silly but I don't like the subscription sites so I do agree with the decision not to upload to iStock to get into the PP.

less competition?

tickstock · « **Reply #93 on:** November 04, 2013, 14:16 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #94 on:** November 04, 2013, 14:33 »

Quote from: tickstock on November 04, 2013, 14:16

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 04, 2013, 14:07
less competition?
That's right, don't you want to close your account too Luis?

looks like 5 days in a row without a sale, just unbelievable, that is iStock. guys!

luissantos84 · « **Reply #95 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:20 »

oh just had a L sale for 98 cents, iStock is kicking ass today

tickstock · « **Reply #96 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:21 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #97 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:31 »

Quote from: tickstock on November 05, 2013, 10:21

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 10:20
oh just had a L sale for 98 cents, iStock is kicking ass today
If you aren't happy with what you're getting paid why do you stay?

I am more than happy dude, anyway don't think it is your business what I do or not, believe I am still allowed to express my feelings

tickstock · « **Reply #98 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:33 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #99 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:34 »

Quote from: tickstock on November 05, 2013, 10:33

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 10:31
Quote from: tickstock on November 05, 2013, 10:21
Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 10:20
oh just had a L sale for 98 cents, iStock is kicking ass today
If you aren't happy with what you're getting paid why do you stay?

I am more than happy dude, anyway don't think it is your business what I do or not, believe I am still allowed to express my feelings
If you wanted to keep your feelings private maybe you shouldn't post them on an internet forum.

who said I wanted to keep them private? can you please read again the last posts, you are twisting stuff as usually

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