Author Topic: $500 For Every 500 Photo Guarantee (Read 32056 times)

Randy McKown · « **on:** January 30, 2009, 17:31 »

$500 For Every 500 Photo Guarantee .. New incentive program was just announced today.

Magnum · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2009, 17:36 »

where?

madelaide · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2009, 17:37 »

Xposurepro, let's see if people will get angry at you now.

It doesn't look so attractive for those in FT already.

Regards,
Adelaide

PS: it seems some reaction already started.

Danicek · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2009, 17:41 »

Quote from: Magnum on January 30, 2009, 17:36

where?

what?

Randy McKown · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2009, 17:43 »

Quote from: madelaide on January 30, 2009, 17:37

Xposurepro, let's see if people will get angry at you now.

It doesn't look so attractive for those in FT already.

Regards,
Adelaide

PS: it seems some reaction already started.

I wouldn't do anything on purpose to provoke it though ... or would I? .. you never know. I'll do my best to keep everyone on their toes

sharply_done · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2009, 17:48 »

Here's the caveat : Their contract states you have to keep your files online there for two years. You might consider revising your blog to reflect this, xposurepro.

Albumo has already done something similar to this, but with a 400 day 'stay of execution'. From what I know of things, it left a sour taste in the mouths of most people who chose to participate.

sharply_done · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2009, 17:52 »

Here's the pixmac blog that describes the offer. You might want to change your blog to link to this page instead of the pixmac home page, xposurepro.

RT · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2009, 17:55 »

That's a big promise to make, but then again it means nothing if they're not around in two years, which if you consider that two of the worlds biggest selling microstock contributors have sold a total of 4 photos between them in over six months it is a very strong possibility I think.

Sorry but I think Pixmac.com is just another wannabe waiting to fail, add it to the list with Yaymicro.

melastmohican · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2009, 17:58 »

Hmm, maybe I should sent them on DVD everything that has been rejected everywhere and ask for second option. I can have 10x$100 :-)

Randy McKown · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2009, 18:04 »

yeah I'm thinking option 2 sounds better .. grab your money up front and if they fail oh well you still got your money ... that's what I'm going to do even though the payoff is less. I figure I can grab an easy 5-6 hundred just in case they turn into another luckyoliver down the road and then if they last beyond that cool.

melastmohican · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2009, 18:10 »

Unfortunately they may approve only 499 pictures from everybody and then my plan will fail :-)

lisafx · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2009, 18:39 »

Sounds tempting (the $100 up front, not the $500 on the back end), but the $100/500 images is likely the only money most of us would ever see from them.

Not sure if $100 without the likelihood of future sales is worth the effort of uploading 500 pics.

cdwheatley · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2009, 18:50 »

It seems that if your images are available on fotolia then they are on pixmac also.

Looked through a few images and didn't notice any sales. Doesn't look to promising. No pie there

RT · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2009, 19:28 »

Quote from: cdwheatley on January 30, 2009, 18:50

It seems that if your images are available on fotolia then they are on pixmac also.

Looked through a few images and didn't notice any sales. Doesn't look to promising. No pie there

I knew I'd heard of them somewhere

and you're right they're all from Fotolia, I've even got images there and have had one sale.

I'd have thought that would disqualify you from any 'cash for uploading' even if you were desperate enough to upload there.

lisafx · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2009, 19:31 »

Quote from: cdwheatley on January 30, 2009, 18:50

It seems that if your images are available on fotolia then they are on pixmac also.

Ahh. Didn't get the Fotolia reference the first time around. I am not aware of having had any sales there.

Peter · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2009, 01:26 »

so, if the images are on FT, I cant upload them on pixmac? *...

100$ per 500 aprovals sounds nice. for 3000 files, i would get 600$, which is not bad at all.... but I have those on FT, so nothing usefull there.... pitty.

There is no such thing as easy money. hhhhh

Clivia · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2009, 02:38 »

Quote from: Peter on January 31, 2009, 01:26

so, if the images are on FT, I cant upload them on pixmac? ...

100$ per 500 aprovals sounds nice. for 3000 files, i would get 600$, which is not bad at all.... but I have those on FT, so nothing usefull there.... pitty.

There is no such thing as easy money. hhhhh

They don't actually say that do they? I cannot find where they say that. I signed up and had a good look round, they have FTP and pay 50% for non exlusive rights.

fotografer · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2009, 03:24 »

I've sold about 10,000 images on FT and only 2 of them have come from Pixmac.

Perry · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2009, 06:47 »

I have a feeling that they would only approve 499 of my images...

null · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2009, 08:40 »

Quote from: Perry on January 31, 2009, 06:47

I have a feeling that they would only approve 499 of my images...

Me thinks too. The problem then is that you have blocked 499 images for 2 years with no sales, preventing you to go xclusive anywhere else.

anton9 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2009, 08:58 »

nothing in life is guarenteed

null · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2009, 12:22 »

Quote from: anton9 on January 31, 2009, 08:58

nothing in life is guarenteed

You forget death and taxes.

anton9 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2009, 12:31 »

Quote from: FlemishDreams on January 31, 2009, 12:22

Quote from: anton9 on January 31, 2009, 08:58
nothing in life is guarenteed

You forget death and taxes.

Hmmmm ok ill rephrase lol
only bad things in life are guarenteed lol

goldenangel · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2009, 13:14 »

Well said, Anton

imageZebra · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2009, 17:35 »

Quote from: Peter on January 31, 2009, 01:26

... 100$ per 500 approvals sounds nice...

That would be $0.20 per image. This is less tan $0.25 subscription.
I am not sure the one time $0.20 would even cover upload and keywording hassle.

"All pictures sent for approval must be keyworded by the contributor. Pictures uploaded as part of this promotion are not eligible for free keywording.""

leaf · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2009, 19:03 »

well this seems like a lot better deal that any other site is offering. So i say, well done pixart... at least they are showing a little initiative and belief in their own company.

RT · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2009, 19:13 »

Quote from: leaf on January 31, 2009, 19:03

So i say, well done pixart... at least they are showing a little initiative and belief in their own company.

But what are your views on Pixmac !

sharpshot · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2009, 19:19 »

I don't see how they will accept our images if they already have them through fotolia. How is that going to work?

lephotography · « **Reply #29 on:** February 01, 2009, 19:12 »

I upload everything to fotolia, so basically, what can I upload to pixmac?
I would think that they are somewhat shooting themselves in the foot because anyone that is into stock photography probably is a member of Fotolia.
I don't mind uploading to a agency that really isnt making much but has some potential as I have time to do so. You never know what will pay off but the only things I don't have on fotolia is what they rejected.

null · « **Reply #30 on:** February 02, 2009, 21:49 »

These guys really do their best. Unlike YAY for instance, their Alexa ratings are climbing and they are all over Google by simple SEO tricks, something free and simple YAY isn't able to do.

It's a clever move, IMHO, to sublicense FT's content, since they have a roaring start that way with over 1M images. Let's face it, sites with under 1M aren't going to make it, since buyers like a wide choice.
Me thinks they will prefer you upload the same images as on FT to their site since their return on commissions will be higher for the same effort and costs, except the re-approval.

The keywording is overkill since everybody, even with just a little experience in microstock, will be on other sites too, and will have his images keyworded already in the IPTC. Only absolute beginners would profit. I would even insist they don't re-keyword my shots, as my experience on SV showed the re-keyworders screw up things. Don't reinvent the wheel please.

So far so good, and I signed up. There are, however, two forbidding clauses in their contributor agreement.

First of all, if you want to cancel your account, you have to do so in writing. Yes, on dead trees stuff. You will have to go to the post office and send it by registered mail. Don't we all like to sit at our PC and do everything online? Yack.

Second, you will have to leave your images online 2 years after upload, and this is also true for images outside this special promo. This period is way too long. Sites like DT and BigStock require 3/6 months. The dreaded Albumo asked 400 days and everybody hated that. Two years is too long, period.

If the site is successful, almost everybody will leave his images online indefinitely. The only time you want to cancel your images is if the site shows no sales, like YAY. So why Pixmac wants to take contributors hostage?
A reason might be they are insecure, or they realize most small contributors will never reach payout before they go bankrupt, in 2 years minus 1 day. No way you'll get any money then, since all legal stuff has to be done in the Czech Republic, in Czech. Anybody remembers what happened with Galastock?

Another thing is that you are blocked to go exclusive somewhere else for 2 years. You might rule that out for the next 6 months, but what in 1 or 2 years? And finally, imagine you have a buyout of an image, for instance on DT. You can never allow a buyout since all your images are hostages for 2 years on Pixmac.

So for me, uploading under the current agreement is a big no. The sweepstakes and the 20 cents per image don't impress me. Sounds cheap, like on a fancy fair. The lock out period needs to be 3 or maximum 6 months but then with the possibility to deactivate a certain percentage like on DT.

sharpshot · « **Reply #31 on:** February 03, 2009, 01:52 »

Quote from: FlemishDreams on February 02, 2009, 21:49

....Me thinks they will prefer you upload the same images as on FT to their site since their return on commissions will be higher for the same effort and costs, except the re-approval.

Did you read the post from them? Reply #28 in this thread, I don't think they want our fotolia photos.

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3. If you're at FT, you can still try Pixmac with another pictures than those you have there. Just to taste the pink newcomer. Still its a company where one half is owned by a local media/content leader and the other by a local professional in selling stock photo. Yes, that is not guarantee, but at least its something.

zager · « **Reply #32 on:** February 03, 2009, 04:04 »

Thank you FlemishDreams! I will think about these issues and I've already send a link to this to other guys at Pixmac. I see there is still something to improove :-)

null · « **Reply #34 on:** February 03, 2009, 12:41 »

Quote from: zager on February 03, 2009, 10:24

Guys, I have something special for you. Read more in this blogpost: corrected link I hope you'll be happier than before.

Cool, it's closer to the competition now. I just added this as a comment:

Quote

It would even be better in addition if you allowed 5% or even less of the images to be deactivated immediately in a given period. At Dreamstime there is the option of "Sell the rights (SR-EL)". It doesn't happen often but that can mean thousands of $. The condition then is that you can deactivate the image immediately everywhere else. Another situation is where you want to participate with an image in one of the Dreamstime contests. You'll need image exclusivity then.

It wouldn't hurt Pixmac significantly since it would be maximum a few images in total, but on the other hand, it will encourage contributors also to upload their best shots, which they think could be eligible for "sell the rights".

null · « **Reply #35 on:** February 03, 2009, 12:47 »

Quote from: sharpshot on February 03, 2009, 01:52

Did you read the post from them? Reply #28 in this thread, I don't think they want our fotolia photos.

Yap I read it, but it's not clear if they'd tolerate it or not. Maybe they can answer themselves here. It seems logical they would welcome FT images since their commission would be higher if they sold the shots themselves. As to rejections, I wouldn't know myself. I only track what's rejected on DT, SS and iS out of curiosity, since their reviewers are very knowledgeable.

lephotography · « **Reply #36 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:29 »

I was emailing them and was told to upload all our images and they would make sure there was no duplicates coming from Fotolia.... when you upload your images with them, it dominates the Fotolia images on their sites I am guessing. I have decided to upload to them when I get a couple of days free.

sharpshot · « **Reply #37 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:02 »

Quote from: lephotography on February 04, 2009, 02:29

I was emailing them and was told to upload all our images and they would make sure there was no duplicates coming from Fotolia.... when you upload your images with them, it dominates the Fotolia images on their sites I am guessing. I have decided to upload to them when I get a couple of days free.

I am still not sure and I hope that zager can let us know here if we will get the $100 for uploading 500 images that are already on fotolia. Until then, I wont join.

Phil · « **Reply #38 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:05 »

thanks flemishdreams

null · « **Reply #39 on:** February 04, 2009, 09:19 »

Quote from: lephotography on February 04, 2009, 02:29

I was emailing them and was told to upload all our images and they would make sure there was no duplicates coming from Fotolia.... when you upload your images with them, it dominates the Fotolia images on their sites I am guessing.

It's reasonable that Fotolia doesn't want its shots on Pixmac too, since that would be pure competition. Sublicensing gives Fotolia indeed part of the commission. It's nice that Pixmac wants to sort out what's where, but I just checked and Fotolia accepts about 70% of what I upload. That means that on my small port of about 1,000, I will only have 300 left for Pixmac and that's not enough images for the incentive.

Pixmac has been very forthcoming to lower its locked-in period to one year, but it's still double of what market leaders like DT ask for. It will also prevent you to sell the rights on DT, something very rare, but it might happen. Considering all this, I won't upload to Pixmac for the moment, but I will upload all I have on FT. Just discovered I only had 300 images there, probably because the category system is such a pain.

If Pixmac takes off selling soon, we get part of the pie anyways by having our images on FT. The incentive only works for those that aren't on FT (and who don't plan to go there) or have more than 500 rejects at FT.

Calamity_John · « **Reply #40 on:** February 04, 2009, 10:09 »

I wish both sides (Fotolia and Pixmac) would define this clearly for us. Maybe they have and I have just missed it. There are all sorts of complexities .. say for example (and I have not done this) .. that I submit an image to Pixmac first ... and then later on submit it to Fotolia ?

The incongruity of the
• 1 year on Pixmac restriction
• the fact that I have no exclusive obligation for the image
• and the Fotolia / Pixmac symbiosis
could cause the universe to implode.

John

null · « **Reply #41 on:** February 04, 2009, 11:43 »

Quote from: Calamity_John on February 04, 2009, 10:09

The incongruity of the
• 1 year on Pixmac restriction
• the fact that I have no exclusive obligation for the image
• and the Fotolia / Pixmac symbiosis
could cause the universe to implode.

My bet is that they are just a nice bunch of enthusiasts that will discover all these complications on the way. They really didn't think at first about the 2 years, they didn't research the policies on the leading microstock sites thoroughly enough as they simply knocked it to 1 year after a forum post. I wish them the best of luck but deep down I have this luckyoliver yay snap feeling.

Update: the difference between Albumo and Pixmac is 400 - 365 = 35 days. Albumo could be canceled by email, Pixmac needs to be canceled by a registered letter to Czechia. Any sales can be done thru FT. Their own sales will be like YAY, SV, Albumo. Conclusion: I'll pass and upload all to FT.

anonymous · « **Reply #42 on:** February 04, 2009, 17:37 »

Also considering the increase in whacked-out rejections lately at FT, try uploading those images...who knows

zager · « **Reply #44 on:** February 19, 2009, 13:35 »

Guys, first presents with $100 are already on accounts of the photographers! Thank you all for the opportunity, feedback, greetings, emails, IMs and pictures!

Your Vitezslav

madelaide · « **Reply #45 on:** February 20, 2009, 17:10 »

I suppose Pixmac prices will follow FT's new ones?

Regards,
Adelaide

peep · « **Reply #46 on:** February 21, 2009, 16:54 »

Quote from: FlemishDreams on February 02, 2009, 21:49

First of all, if you want to cancel your account, you have to do so in writing. Yes, on dead trees stuff. You will have to go to the post office and send it by registered mail. Don't we all like to sit at our PC and do everything online? Yack.

Hahaha... You just crashed into the typical Czech red tape (bureaucracy). Be happy you do not have to live here. EVERYTHING here must be in writing with 999 stamps and seals, every crap has to be sent in a registered letter (even better with the delivery confirmation) so that you will have to go to the post office in person to collect it ... And be happy they do not want you to send 666 copies of your letter to all (im)possible offices and institutions... Or that your letter does not have to be authenticated by a notary... This is just a small sample of what you have to get used to in this small red taped country...

RacePhoto · « **Reply #47 on:** February 21, 2009, 22:50 »

Edit: It's done.

Time to watch how this works out in the long run.

bolis · « **Reply #48 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:33 »

Just a few days!

Anyone who wants to have a 50% share of Pixmac’s revenue should upload photos before the end of February (this Saturday). Our offer “Get $100 or $500 just by uploading photos” ( newbielink:http://blog.pixmac.com/2009/01/30/get-usd500-for-500-pictures-on-pixmac/ [nonactive]) is about to end. And I am happy to report that we’ve already sent money to the first photographers who have 500 pictures approved already! It’s easy to be as happy as them!

null · « **Reply #49 on:** February 24, 2009, 05:16 »

As was mentioned in another forum, the slogan “Get $100 or $500 just by uploading photos” is a bit deceptive. It's not a bonus for uploading, but just an advance on the sales you will make. So when you received your 100$, you won't get any money on sales till they exceed 100$.

I'll pass, mainly because of the exceptionally long lock-in period of a year for all images and the red tape involved to cancel an account. Good luck!

zager · « **Reply #50 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:00 »

Not a problem FlemishDreams. Thank you foryour suggestions, at least you helped others :-)

Maui · « **Reply #51 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:40 »

Quote from: FlemishDreams on February 24, 2009, 05:16

I'll pass, mainly because of the exceptionally long lock-in period of a year for all images and the red tape involved to cancel an account. Good luck!

I like their increasing traffic and Alexa rank, but the two points above make sure that I am not going to join them.

null · « **Reply #52 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:48 »

Quote from: zager on February 25, 2009, 06:00

Not a problem FlemishDreams. Thank you foryour suggestions, at least you helped others :-)

That's the spirit of a community forum, Zager. We are all entrepreneurs in a way trying to make some money. I can only admire your audacity and enthousiasm. Stay in touch here!

null · « **Reply #53 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:50 »

Quote from: Maui on February 25, 2009, 09:40

I like their increasing traffic and Alexa rank

Ever heard of link circles?

Maui · « **Reply #54 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:03 »

Quote from: FlemishDreams on February 25, 2009, 09:50

Quote from: Maui on February 25, 2009, 09:40
I like their increasing traffic and Alexa rank

Ever heard of link circles?

Hehe... Yes!

ibogdan · « **Reply #55 on:** March 10, 2009, 16:00 »

Anyone received the 100$?

Alatriste · « **Reply #56 on:** April 05, 2009, 19:16 »

Now I see the game:
I uploaded about 50 photos before this 100 or 500$, 99% approved
Then when I knew about the offer I uploaded 1000 of my best sellers thinking that it wouldnt be easy for them to reject a few of them...

The result is 20% approved. No 500 images approved

null · « **Reply #57 on:** April 05, 2009, 19:32 »

Quote from: Trebuchet on April 05, 2009, 19:16

Now I see the game

I told you so.

What's more, your images are locked for a year, so if you get a request for exclusive buyout at Dreamstime in the mean time, you'll have to deny. Goodluck with sales!

loop · « **Reply #58 on:** April 05, 2009, 20:08 »

Not even drunk I would fall on that.

peep · « **Reply #59 on:** April 06, 2009, 01:59 »

Quote from: Trebuchet on April 05, 2009, 19:16

Now I see the game:
I uploaded about 50 photos before this 100 or 500$, 99% approved
Then when I knew about the offer I uploaded 1000 of my best sellers thinking that it wouldnt be easy for them to reject a few of them...

The result is 20% approved. No 500 images approved

Exactly - first they approved almost everything. Now they refuse almost everything so that I cannot reach 500 images on-line. I guess I shall end up having 499 images approved. They refuse images accepted everywhere else with stupid reasons like "poor composition" or even "snapshot". I have stopped uploading more at once.

sharpshot · « **Reply #60 on:** April 06, 2009, 02:15 »

I passed 500 and the $100 has been paid. Their rejections are strange, they accept almost everything from one batch and reject loads from the next. I don't feel like uploading any more there. My expectations of sales are very low, buyers just don't seem to use new sites unless they can provide something different.

Alatriste · « **Reply #61 on:** April 06, 2009, 03:15 »

Quote from: FlemishDreams on April 05, 2009, 19:32

Quote from: Trebuchet on April 05, 2009, 19:16
Now I see the game

I told you so.
What's more, your images are locked for a year, so if you get a request for exclusive buyout at Dreamstime in the mean time, you'll have to deny. Goodluck with sales!

Perhaps I can Modify keywords and delete all of them or put stupid kw so it would be almost imposible to find

peep · « **Reply #62 on:** April 06, 2009, 04:36 »

Quote from: sharpshot on April 06, 2009, 02:15

Their rejections are strange, they accept almost everything from one batch and reject loads from the next. I don't feel like uploading any more there. My expectations of sales are very low...

Exactly my thinking. They are a bunch of beginning amateurs not knowing how to review properly but thinking too high of themselves.

peep · « **Reply #63 on:** April 06, 2009, 04:38 »

Perhaps I can Modify keywords and delete all of them or put stupid kw so it would be almost imposible to find
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Perfect idea. I think I will do the very same.

qwerty · « **Reply #64 on:** March 14, 2012, 03:44 »

old thread alert

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #65 on:** March 14, 2012, 04:52 »

Quote from: qwerty on March 14, 2012, 03:44

old thread alert

Wait a minute. Did you just resurrect an old thread and bust yourself with an alert?

rubyroo · « **Reply #66 on:** March 14, 2012, 04:55 »

No they didn't. A spammer was here earlier but their post has been deleted, leaving qwerty's looking orphaned.

qwerty · « **Reply #67 on:** March 14, 2012, 15:19 »

Yeah that made me look silly

rubyroo · « **Reply #68 on:** March 14, 2012, 16:27 »

Luckily they took mine out too in the other spammer thread, otherwise I'd have a lonely floating email that said 'bog off' for no apparent reason... I'd have felt a right narna.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #69 on:** March 14, 2012, 16:46 »

Quote from: rubyroo on March 14, 2012, 16:27

Luckily they took mine out too in the other spammer thread, otherwise I'd have a lonely floating email that said 'bog off' for no apparent reason... I'd have felt a right narna.

that made me laugh. I think I haven't heard that probably since I was at school, primary school I think.

rubyroo · « **Reply #70 on:** March 14, 2012, 17:06 »

Randy McKown · « **Reply #71 on:** March 14, 2012, 19:29 »

Ha .. I wondered why people were hitting my blog for an article that was deleted a couple years ago.

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