Author Topic: looking for images to buy (Read 24194 times)

fotoart · « **on:** August 30, 2009, 17:50 »

Hi

I'm a small guy, buying for an agency dedicated to the newspaper market. So we like lifestyle and anything you would see in a community newspaper under editorial or advertorial content. Email me and I can send you more details.

I do this part time as a hobby and rather enjoy it. I really enjoy making my clients a few dollars for images that have had for years.

Cheers

Peter
[email protected]

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #1 on:** August 30, 2009, 19:14 »

Sorry, what's the point of your post?

m@m · « **Reply #2 on:** August 30, 2009, 19:25 »

Fotoart, if you look to the righthand side of this page you'll find a lineup of stock photo sites, take your pick, they're hundreds of thousands of pictures to pick from...

fotoart · « **Reply #3 on:** August 30, 2009, 19:35 »

I understand the stock sites on the right, but I want to buy images Royalty Free for an agency for a set price per image. I don't buy images on a per download basis. My image suppliers are people that submit to the agencies on the right and I buy their "seconds" for lack of a better term

m@m · « **Reply #4 on:** August 30, 2009, 20:12 »

The sites already sell our photos pretty cheap, and pay us even less, may I ask what is it that you're offering for our "seconds" shots? obviously you're looking to buy full rights to these photos right?...I'm really curious, and I'm sure that many other people on this forum are as well.

Suljo · « **Reply #5 on:** August 30, 2009, 20:52 »

I thing that he wants to buy cheep micro photos and sell them for MID or MACRO prices to some uneducated 3rd world magazine/es whose editors dont hear about microstok sites jet and keep big portion of money for himself.

gostwyck · « **Reply #6 on:** August 30, 2009, 20:57 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 30, 2009, 19:35

My image suppliers are people that submit to the agencies on the right and I buy their "seconds" for lack of a better term

So how much are you prepared to pay for these 'seconds' as you describe them and are you intending to 're-sell' them as such? Are you effectively offering to buy the copyright of the images?

redzaal · « **Reply #7 on:** August 30, 2009, 21:11 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 30, 2009, 17:50

Hi

I'm a small guy, buying for an agency dedicated to the newspaper market. So we like lifestyle and anything you would see in a community newspaper under editorial or advertorial content. Email me and I can send you more details.

I do this part time as a hobby and rather enjoy it. I really enjoy making my clients a few dollars for images that have had for years.

Cheers

Peter
[email protected] [nofollow]

Hi Fotoart,

I have a few 'seconds' you can buy the rights to for $10000 each. Any of my 'firsts' you will have to pay some serious money for. Let me now how many you want.
Cheers,

Redzaal

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2009, 22:11 »

Yeah, I'm still not getting what your point is...

Suljo · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2009, 22:41 »

Quote from: sjlocke on August 30, 2009, 22:11

Yeah, I'm still not getting what your point is...

Never mind Sean, this guy has just gone to flicker and stealing others work and resell them like they are his own work.
Or maybe he is hidden guy from this post
Magazine wants some of my images for free???
We can ask Leaf to track IP of this two guys, maybe it is the same person...

Me too do not know. Maybe it would bee interesting like Old Hippies posts or some of his different personalities...

fotoart · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2009, 22:58 »

Hey guys...

Really I'm a nice guy.........

All I want is to offer is $70.00 for family/fun/lifestyle images.

Just more income for you guys....

Peter

fotoart · « **Reply #11 on:** August 30, 2009, 23:25 »

I'll keep it eazeeeeeeeeee

I give you money$$$$ for photos

$70.00 per photo-

Quote from: Suljo on August 30, 2009, 22:41

Quote from: sjlocke on August 30, 2009, 22:11
Yeah, I'm still not getting what your point is...

Never mind Sean, this guy has just gone to flicker and stealing others work and resell them like they are his own work.
Or maybe he is hidden guy from this post
Magazine wants some of my images for free???
We can ask Leaf to track IP of this two guys, maybe it is the same person...

Me too do not know. Maybe it would bee interesting like Old Hippies posts or some of his different personalities...

fotoart · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2009, 23:31 »

just ask.....

?

fotoart · « **Reply #13 on:** August 30, 2009, 23:43 »

+trying to make you a $

fotoart · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2009, 00:03 »

I make a decent amount of money at this stock concept.

thomasw · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2009, 00:23 »

So your offering to buy the rights to our photos "seconds" for 70.00 (Us dollars, Pounds, Lira???) so that you can resell these as yours?

?

Suljo · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2009, 01:14 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 30, 2009, 23:31

just ask.....

?

sweet,,,
dude

Suljo · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2009, 01:16 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 31, 2009, 00:03

I make a decent amount of money at this stock concept.

dude...
sweet...

Aj ti podudlaj i odjebi u troskoku

sweet

Jonathan Ross · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2009, 08:51 »

Hi Fotoart,

$70 dollars an image for buy out seems like a good offer for any Micro shooters, and a buy out does mean you sign over the copyright. It's done all the time in Macro stock. I have done by outs before but I don't have any seconds. Sounds like a reasonable offer to me for many here. If you want to resell them or line your living room walls with them I don't really think it matters one way or the other. How many of you have an overall RPI higher than $70 per image in Micro, that is an average of $70 per image over it's life. There are a few but not many from what I read here.

Good Luck,
Jonathan

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2009, 09:25 »

The OP has never mentioned "buying out the rights" to anything. In fact, all he mentioned was "royalty free" up above. So until he clearly states what he is trying to license or accomplish, not much else can go on here.

And no, Jonathan, I don't think $70 is a good buyout price for "family, fun, lifestyle" shots, like the OP mentioned.

Magnum · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2009, 10:06 »

Do you really want the stuff we don´t upload ? A trashcan full of 70$ images is waiting for you... You could even get em for 65$ if you push it...

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2009, 10:17 »

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on August 31, 2009, 08:51

Hi Fotoart,

$70 dollars an image for buy out seems like a good offer for any Micro shooters, and a buy out does mean you sign over the copyright. It's done all the time in Macro stock. I have done by outs before but I don't have any seconds. Sounds like a reasonable offer to me for many here. If you want to resell them or line your living room walls with them I don't really think it matters one way or the other. How many of you have an overall RPI higher than $70 per image in Micro, that is an average of $70 per image over it's life. There are a few but not many from what I read here.

Good Luck,
Jonathan

$70 per image for a guaranteed 150 or 200 shots bought from a one day shoot is a fairly good deal. Used to be able to get 2 to 3 times that much not long ago but I don't know what the going rate is now. I don't like selling dribs and drabs. Waste of time most of the time.

cidepix · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2009, 10:31 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 30, 2009, 19:35

I understand the stock sites on the right, but I want to buy images Royalty Free for an agency for a set price per image. I don't buy images on a per download basis. My image suppliers are people that submit to the agencies on the right and I buy their "seconds" for lack of a better term

Anyone who can translate?

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2009, 13:08 »

Quote from: cidepix on August 31, 2009, 10:31

Quote from: fotoart on August 30, 2009, 19:35
I understand the stock sites on the right, but I want to buy images Royalty Free for an agency for a set price per image. I don't buy images on a per download basis. My image suppliers are people that submit to the agencies on the right and I buy their "seconds" for lack of a better term

Anyone who can translate?

I agree with cidepix, this is very difficult to understand.

fotoart · « **Reply #24 on:** August 31, 2009, 13:49 »

Quote from: thomasw on August 31, 2009, 00:23

So your offering to buy the rights to our photos "seconds" for 70.00 (Us dollars, Pounds, Lira???) so that you can resell these as yours??

No, I sell the images as yours, and it's $70.00 Canadian Dollars. Basically I'm trying to find images to make you guys some money. I don't want to sound rude but I really could care less if some of you think this is a bad deal. I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.

fotoart · « **Reply #25 on:** August 31, 2009, 13:55 »

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on August 31, 2009, 08:51

Hi Fotoart,

$70 dollars an image for buy out seems like a good offer for any Micro shooters, and a buy out does mean you sign over the copyright. It's done all the time in Macro stock. I have done by outs before but I don't have any seconds. Sounds like a reasonable offer to me for many here. If you want to resell them or line your living room walls with them I don't really think it matters one way or the other. How many of you have an overall RPI higher than $70 per image in Micro, that is an average of $70 per image over it's life. There are a few but not many from what I read here.

Good Luck,
Jonathan

Jonathan,

Thanks for understanding what I'm trying to do, and clarifying it to the other members.

If your interested my email is [email protected]

fotoart · « **Reply #26 on:** August 31, 2009, 13:58 »

Quote from: redzaal on August 30, 2009, 21:11

Quote from: fotoart on August 30, 2009, 17:50
Hi

I'm a small guy, buying for an agency dedicated to the newspaper market. So we like lifestyle and anything you would see in a community newspaper under editorial or advertorial content. Email me and I can send you more details.

I do this part time as a hobby and rather enjoy it. I really enjoy making my clients a few dollars for images that have had for years.

Cheers

Peter
[email protected]

Hi Fotoart,

I have a few 'seconds' you can buy the rights to for $10000 each. Any of my 'firsts' you will have to pay some serious money for. Let me now how many you want.
Cheers,

Redzaal

Nice one....you must be a real good photographer and have lots of money.........

fotoart · « **Reply #27 on:** August 31, 2009, 14:04 »

Quote from: Magnum on August 31, 2009, 10:06

Do you really want the stuff we don´t upload ? A trashcan full of 70$ images is waiting for you... You could even get em for 65$ if you push it...

yes yes yes....that is the point I have been trying to make. Email me [email protected]

fotoart · « **Reply #28 on:** August 31, 2009, 14:06 »

Quote from: sjlocke on August 31, 2009, 09:25

The OP has never mentioned "buying out the rights" to anything. In fact, all he mentioned was "royalty free" up above. So until he clearly states what he is trying to license or accomplish, not much else can go on here.

And no, Jonathan, I don't think $70 is a good buyout price for "family, fun, lifestyle" shots, like the OP mentioned.

Your opinion, as another poster mentioned, images that are in the "trashcan" is the best way to describe it

fotoart · « **Reply #29 on:** August 31, 2009, 14:11 »

Quote from: Zeus on August 31, 2009, 10:17

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on August 31, 2009, 08:51
Hi Fotoart,

$70 dollars an image for buy out seems like a good offer for any Micro shooters, and a buy out does mean you sign over the copyright. It's done all the time in Macro stock. I have done by outs before but I don't have any seconds. Sounds like a reasonable offer to me for many here. If you want to resell them or line your living room walls with them I don't really think it matters one way or the other. How many of you have an overall RPI higher than $70 per image in Micro, that is an average of $70 per image over it's life. There are a few but not many from what I read here.

Good Luck,
Jonathan

$70 per image for a guaranteed 150 or 200 shots bought from a one day shoot is a fairly good deal. Used to be able to get 2 to 3 times that much not long ago but I don't know what the going rate is now. I don't like selling dribs and drabs. Waste of time most of the time.

I appreciate the comment, what I do is not for everyone, alot of stock shooters do this as a hobby

zymmetricaldotcom · « **Reply #30 on:** August 31, 2009, 14:48 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 31, 2009, 13:49

No, I sell the images as yours, and it's $70.00 Canadian Dollars. Basically I'm trying to find images to make you guys some money. I don't want to sound rude but I really could care less if some of you think this is a bad deal. I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.

m@m · « **Reply #31 on:** August 31, 2009, 14:48 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 31, 2009, 13:49

Quote from: thomasw on August 31, 2009, 00:23
So your offering to buy the rights to our photos "seconds" for 70.00 (Us dollars, Pounds, Lira???) so that you can resell these as yours??

No, I sell the images as yours, and it's $70.00 Canadian Dollars. Basically I'm trying to find images to make you guys some money. I don't want to sound rude but I really could care less if some of you think this is a bad deal. I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.

Since it's so simple to be a stock photographer with all of these new cameras that we have now days, why don't you go buy one take your own photos and sell them, I'm sure it'll be a piece of cake for you, and you'll be saving $70 a pop.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2009, 14:51 »

To the OP- this is what you need to say to make yourself clear:

Hi guys. I am looking to buy the copyright (aka full rights buyout) of any images you wish to sell. I will be taking these images and licensing them to others in the future. I am looking for ---- subject matter. All images will be accepted. You will be sent a contract clearly stating you are releasing copyright. I will, of course, require full model and property releases for images that need them, which means any privacy your models had is given up. $70 per image will be paid via Paypal after I decided which of your images I want.

Ok, OP, if you can't clearly state your need like I just did, I'm still not sure what you want. Otherwise I suggest sitting down with Jonathan to have him type out a statement with your desires and terms.

Adeptris · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2009, 15:08 »

Anyone wanting to respond may want to send watermarked images with some 100% crops, unless the OP can supply some company trading details, references etc:

David

sharpshot · « **Reply #34 on:** August 31, 2009, 15:20 »

Quote from: m@m on August 31, 2009, 14:48

Quote from: fotoart on August 31, 2009, 13:49
Quote from: thomasw on August 31, 2009, 00:23
So your offering to buy the rights to our photos "seconds" for 70.00 (Us dollars, Pounds, Lira???) so that you can resell these as yours??

No, I sell the images as yours, and it's $70.00 Canadian Dollars. Basically I'm trying to find images to make you guys some money. I don't want to sound rude but I really could care less if some of you think this is a bad deal. I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.

Since it's so simple to be a stock photographer with all of these new cameras that we have now days, why don't you go buy one take your own photos and sell them, I'm sure it'll be a piece of cake for you, and you'll be saving $70 a pop.

That's what I thought, especially as he is after our trash photos. Anyone can be a stock photographer in the same way that anyone can paint. It doesn't mean they will be any good at it.

I have the strong feeling something isn't right about this. Will be interesting to find out what the scam is.

fotoart · « **Reply #35 on:** August 31, 2009, 15:29 »

Quote from: m@m on August 31, 2009, 14:48

Quote from: fotoart on August 31, 2009, 13:49
Quote from: thomasw on August 31, 2009, 00:23
So your offering to buy the rights to our photos "seconds" for 70.00 (Us dollars, Pounds, Lira???) so that you can resell these as yours??

No, I sell the images as yours, and it's $70.00 Canadian Dollars. Basically I'm trying to find images to make you guys some money. I don't want to sound rude but I really could care less if some of you think this is a bad deal. I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.

Since it's so simple to be a stock photographer with all of these new cameras that we have now days, why don't you go buy one take your own photos and sell them, I'm sure it'll be a piece of cake for you, and you'll be saving $70 a pop.

Actually I do, I also own a camera shop as well. This requires a bit of my time. I said this was a hobby.

zymmetricaldotcom · « **Reply #36 on:** August 31, 2009, 15:33 »

Have had initial correspondence with dealer. This is not a MSG old hippy account or an outright scam - perhaps is a workable concept for some - it would be just good if OP came straight with all the info instead of presenting it on a secondary email.

fotoart · « **Reply #37 on:** August 31, 2009, 15:35 »

Quote from: sjlocke on August 31, 2009, 14:51

To the OP- this is what you need to say to make yourself clear:

Hi guys. I am looking to buy the copyright (aka full rights buyout) of any images you wish to sell. I will be taking these images and licensing them to others in the future. I am looking for ---- subject matter. All images will be accepted. You will be sent a contract clearly stating you are releasing copyright. I will, of course, require full model and property releases for images that need them, which means any privacy your models had is given up. $70 per image will be paid via Paypal after I decided which of your images I want.

Ok, OP, if you can't clearly state your need like I just did, I'm still not sure what you want. Otherwise I suggest sitting down with Jonathan to have him type out a statement with your desires and terms.

Thank You...well written although many understood what I posted.

lisafx · « **Reply #38 on:** August 31, 2009, 15:40 »

Fotoart, you may be completely sincere and on the level. However I am sure you can appreciate that your approach could use some polish.

You really haven't given us enough information to make an informed decision, so you can't really be surprised that your offer would appear as a scam to some.

As Sjlocke suggested, filling in the details would be helpful.

So far what I gather is this: You will pay $70 Canadian for the copyrights to people's lifestyle photos.

Here's what I don't know:

Will you require model/property releases?
What will you be doing with the images?

If you could explain a bit better what you are about perhaps you would get a more enthusiastic reception...

ETA: If you want editorial stuff and don't require model releases I have some stuff I would be happy to turn over for $70 a pop.

Adeptris · « **Reply #39 on:** August 31, 2009, 16:19 »

Some details of use would help, once you assign copyright then there cannot be no conditions, the OP's customers T&C's of use going forward would be of interest.

One of the replies mentioned editorial and advertorial, so at a wild guess it could be on of the new startups that allow you to hot link and render images into your blogs and articles, these are not downloadable just rendered in the article or blog, so second string images would be ok for this use, the images appear with an advertisment link and the service charges the advertisers, the only way this can really work is with wholly owned content.

PiccApp is one of these services I blogged an overview of these services a few weeks ago, and they currently use images wholly owned by companies like Getty and Corbis http://bit.ly/TIjOj

It is hard for these services to deal direct with artists, here is a link to the types of deals they are making for distrubution.

David

cathyslife · « **Reply #40 on:** August 31, 2009, 16:19 »

No, I sell the images as yours, and it's $70.00 Canadian Dollars.

I took that to mean he doesn't want the copyrights. Though it all doesn't make sense to me.

fotoart, I fall into the group of people that doesn't quite understand exactly what you are doing.

Can you explain it here or do we have to email you directly? That just adds to my suspicions that something may not be quite right. Can you answer Lisa's questions here?

madelaide · « **Reply #41 on:** August 31, 2009, 16:26 »

I just don't really understand why can't people ask questions politely, or ignore the thread. $:-\$

lisafx · « **Reply #42 on:** August 31, 2009, 16:45 »

Quote from: madelaide on August 31, 2009, 16:26

I just don't really understand why can't people ask questions politely, or ignore the thread. $:-\$

Reading back over the thread I don't really see much in the way of impolitely asked questions. People are understandably skeptical, but for the most part it seems pretty civil to me.

I do have a couple of folks ignored. Did I miss something overtly rude?

elvinstar · « **Reply #43 on:** August 31, 2009, 16:54 »

I, for one, am interested in the offer. I agree that people here have become more and more negative of late. It's a pity. I hope that new members will feel that they can post without being attacked or ridiculed. This website is a wonderful resource and I would hate to see it die off because people seem so aggressive.

NitorPhoto · « **Reply #44 on:** August 31, 2009, 16:59 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 31, 2009, 13:49

I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.

Yes. A stock photographer who never makes real money. If you want to make money, you still need experience, skill and eqipment.

madelaide · « **Reply #45 on:** August 31, 2009, 16:59 »

Lisa, sarcasm is unpolite to me. The initial post wasn't clear, clarifications can be asked without treating the person as if someone trying to fool us. Even if one disagrees with the proposal, he can justify why he doesn't find the deal acceptable, without resorting to accusations.

fotoart · « **Reply #46 on:** August 31, 2009, 17:14 »

Quote from: elvinstar on August 31, 2009, 16:54

I, for one, am interested in the offer. I agree that people here have become more and more negative of late. It's a pity. I hope that new members will feel that they can post without being attacked or ridiculed. This website is a wonderful resource and I would hate to see it die off because people seem so aggressive.

Be in touch,

Peter

[email protected]

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #47 on:** August 31, 2009, 17:47 »

Quote from: elvinstar on August 31, 2009, 16:54

I, for one, am interested in the offer. I agree that people here have become more and more negative of late. It's a pity. I hope that new members will feel that they can post without being attacked or ridiculed. This website is a wonderful resource and I would hate to see it die off because people seem so aggressive.

The internet is full of scams. People who start postings about business propositions should be very clear about their situation. Even now, were still not sure what he wants. Instead, he is sending mails to keep it private so the group is not able to confer on the matter.

If you want rainbows and unicorns 24/7 then I can't help you there.

traveler1116 · « **Reply #48 on:** August 31, 2009, 19:40 »

Not to be rude but sounds like a scam, he/she has replied to a few people without saying what sean (and anyone remotely interested) would like to hear about terms and conditions. No link to a business, nothing at all really.

elvinstar · « **Reply #49 on:** August 31, 2009, 19:58 »

I'll let everyone know when I find out more...

wilddingo · « **Reply #50 on:** August 31, 2009, 20:25 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on August 31, 2009, 19:40

Not to be rude but sounds like a scam, he/she has replied to a few people without saying what sean (and anyone remotely interested) would like to hear about terms and conditions. No link to a business, nothing at all really.

What do a bunch of microstockers know about reading terms and conditions anyway? Aren't these the same people that are ecstatic to sign up with any microstock agency that will accept them then turn around and complain about the commission rates, rejections, and piddling returns they signed up for?

You don't have to be a super hound like Dingo to sniff out a guy signing his posts "Peter" with a "fotoart" e-mail in Canada.

http://www.fotoart.ca/store-history.html

traveler1116 · « **Reply #51 on:** August 31, 2009, 21:34 »

Quote from: wilddingo on August 31, 2009, 20:25

What do a bunch of microstockers know about reading terms and conditions anyway? Aren't these the same people that are ecstatic to sign up with any microstock agency that will accept them then turn around and complain about the commission rates, rejections, and piddling returns they signed up for?

So you aren't a microstocker? Why are you here then?

m@m · « **Reply #52 on:** August 31, 2009, 21:37 »

Quote from: wilddingo on August 31, 2009, 20:25

Quote from: traveler1116 on August 31, 2009, 19:40
Not to be rude but sounds like a scam, he/she has replied to a few people without saying what sean (and anyone remotely interested) would like to hear about terms and conditions. No link to a business, nothing at all really.

What do a bunch of microstockers know about reading terms and conditions anyway? Aren't these the same people that are ecstatic to sign up with any microstock agency that will accept them then turn around and complain about the commission rates, rejections, and piddling returns they signed up for?

You don't have to be a super hound like Dingo to sniff out a guy signing his posts "Peter" with a "fotoart" e-mail in Canada.

http://www.fotoart.ca/store-history.html

...men!, there is that darn dog smell again...

fotoart · « **Reply #53 on:** September 01, 2009, 18:02 »

Your right I should have been more clear in my initial post, maybe this will help? I'm not to sure how I could scam anyone? Specially if I pay for the hi resolution file before I even get them.

Basically I help locating photographers and images for an agency based in NYC. They specifically supply images and editorial content to the newspaper market. So your typical stock like image that you see in a special advertising section is what they are looking for. Usually what my photographers do is send me a quantity of images all at low resolution and generically watermarked. I submit them and eventually the agency puts in an order for what they are looking for at that time. Currently I do work with stock photographers who are on iStock and they send me "seconds" images that they have edited out. Simply put it's a way of getting some extra revenue for selling images that you already have a decent inventory and would otherwise not be sold. My guys love this because they use this money to buy neat camera gear as toys. Being a camera store owner I usually give them a good deal. The agency pays $70.00 per accepted image, not lots but they buy in volume often $2000-$3000 at a time, based on what is submitted. Also I pay immediately upon receipt of the hi-res files. In somes cases even before I receive them until I develop a repore with the guys.

Some say I buy images that end up in the trash can!!!

Based on this, any questions? I do this as a part time hobby, my real job is a camera store owner www.fotoart.ca

Let me know what you think.

Cheers

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #54 on:** September 01, 2009, 18:52 »

So you are trying to procure full copyright to be transferred to an agency that is licensing wholly owned content. Basically a stock house that pays you once for stock. What kind of contract is involved. What license are the images sold under? What transfer of releases is needed?

fotoart · « **Reply #55 on:** September 01, 2009, 19:21 »

Quote from: sjlocke on September 01, 2009, 18:52

So you are trying to procure full copyright to be transferred to an agency that is licensing wholly owned content. Basically a stock house that pays you once for stock. What kind of contract is involved. What license are the images sold under? What transfer of releases is needed?

The people I sell to are not "technically" a stock site. They have subscribers. In order to obtain images you must pay a monthly subscription fee, you then have password protected access to their site, the images are then used as fillers in ad sections of newspapers, or editorial the odd time or included as a background in an ad.

The conditions of the sale is fairly easy, the photographer must have model releases, the photographer retains all rights to the image, with one exception it can't show up on another stock site. You can sell it on your own over and over. They buy in blocks of images. I had one photographer spend 1 hour shooting his new car and he made $1200.00

They also have shot lists. This revenue stream is not for everyone, but I have friends who love to make $1000.00 for a day of shooting the family and friends.

fotoart · « **Reply #56 on:** September 01, 2009, 20:08 »

Quote from: sjlocke on September 01, 2009, 18:52

So you are trying to procure full copyright to be transferred to an agency that is licensing wholly owned content. Basically a stock house that pays you once for stock. What kind of contract is involved. What license are the images sold under? What transfer of releases is needed?

Sean,

I appreciate the interest and the debate. It was a learning curve for me, I'm going to let this go for a few weeks and try the post again but with the volume of my new knowledge, mainly being extremely specific of what I'm offering. I visited your site and you are way past what I can offer. Unless you want to sell photo scraps for what I pay.

Like myself their are others out there that do this as a paid hobby, either hope to make a few bucks or always be outfitted with new cameras and exotic lenses. I have had success giving my photog friends cameras and making them supply images to pay it off.

m@m · « **Reply #57 on:** September 01, 2009, 20:13 »

Fotoart, I think that if at the beginning you would have come clean with the details of you proposal, it would have being allot easier on you and lot less speculations on our part, wether you were trying to scam us or not, you have to understand that your initial sales pitch was kind of lame and left lots of folks on this forum wondering where exactly you where coming from, now if you could only answer sjlocke's questions, the missing gaps of your proposal will be filled, and then, you'll have people paying attention to what it is that you're selling, I'll tell you, it's an interesting idea, now that we know some of the facts...

"Sorry you post came in while I was writting mine"

Cprowler · « **Reply #58 on:** September 01, 2009, 20:27 »

Quote from: fotoart on August 31, 2009, 13:49

I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.

Then why don't you take your own?

fotoart · « **Reply #59 on:** September 01, 2009, 20:44 »

Quote from: Cprowler on September 01, 2009, 20:27

Quote from: fotoart on August 31, 2009, 13:49
I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.

Then why don't you take your own?

I answered this before, I DO TAKE MY OWN, but I also have a full time job. It started with helping my friends supplying images. I don't have more time to shoot and I'm trying to help out people who have images to sell.

lisafx · « **Reply #60 on:** September 01, 2009, 20:54 »

As the details are filled in, it doesn't look like a scam to me. However it does look like competition for the micro sites we are on.

My worry is that if I sold some of my out-takes from series that I have on the micros it might cut into my micro sales, which ITLR should net me more.

But as I said, if this was for editorial images that I don't have on the micros I would be all for it. Just not for my model released stuff.

johngriffin · « **Reply #61 on:** September 01, 2009, 21:02 »

talk to rahul at lookstat about this. he understands this market and may be able to help you.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #62 on:** September 01, 2009, 21:38 »

Quote from: m@m on September 01, 2009, 20:13

Fotoart, I think that if at the beginning you would have come clean with the details of you proposal, it would have being allot easier on you and lot less speculations on our part, wether you were trying to scam us or not, you have to understand that your initial sales pitch was kind of lame and left lots of folks on this forum wondering where exactly you where coming from, now if you could only answer sjlocke's questions, the missing gaps of your proposal will be filled, and then, you'll have people paying attention to what it is that you're selling, I'll tell you, it's an interesting idea, now that we know some of the facts...

"Sorry you post came in while I was writting mine"

I don't get the sense now he was trying to be overtly sneaky. It sounds like he's more used to hanging with his buds hashing out whatever the deal is. We are a different kindof group that needs more than that.

Last question. What do you get out of it?

fotoart · « **Reply #63 on:** September 02, 2009, 19:34 »

Fair question, I make $10.00 per sold image. As i said this is a hobby..

Cheers

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