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rubyroo

« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2011, 13:41 »
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Looks as though the OP has removed their post and link - but I would have thought anyone directly copying Ioannis' work (rather than being inspired to say the same thing in a different and unique way) would be asking for trouble.

If someone with a tendency to plagiarise is new to microstock, they may not be aware quite how famous those images are.  Even apart from being unethical, it's a silly risk to take with a budding microstock career and ultimately, I would have thought, completely unrewarding.

I think some will never understand how much plagiarism hurts the one plagiarised, destroys livelihoods and drags down and dilutes the industry unless it happens to them, sadly.


« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2011, 13:47 »
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agree with all said, but again the problem is on agencies, they dont care! there are tons and tons of the same best selling pictures..

I havent done one but I guess if Andres or other can do this why not everybody? agencies need to be serious

and then contributors can tell their work isnt similar, the head is different the shape whatever, thats another problem.. but again agencies should be the one to watch, punish this issues..

rubyroo

« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2011, 14:00 »
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I agree with you Luis.  Better policing by the agencies on this issue would be welcomed.  Of course they want more images, updates on old concepts, variations on themes etc. but they have to draw the line somewhere. 

I don't know of any issue with Andres - I think I looked at his port once in my early days, and felt so depressed (at how inadequate it made me feel) that I never went back  :D

« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2011, 14:20 »
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okay....  i haven't seen the OP link since its taken down. But why are we all so quick to call out foul to copying a style that so absurdly GENERIC and easy. That is the 3d equivalent to drawing stick figures to anyone that can actually draw for a living. Timing is crucial in this industry and the other guy with all those same 3d model is lucky to have his portfolio in when he did because im sure he isnt the first one with that style but maybe one of the earlier ones that got into microstock.

« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2011, 14:27 »
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okay....  i haven't seen the OP link since its taken down. But why are we all so quick to call out foul to copying a style that so absurdly GENERIC and easy. That is the 3d equivalent to drawing stick figures to anyone that can actually draw for a living. Timing is crucial in this industry and the other guy with all those same 3d model is lucky to have his portfolio in when he did because im sure he isnt the first one with that style but maybe one of the earlier ones that got into microstock.


Here's the OP's link __ make your own mind up;

http://tinyurl.com/Air0ne

« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2011, 15:13 »
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^^ saw it.. still looks like a style anyone can do so im sure the other dudes not that pissed off since both looks are very un-original. But yeah... total copying of concept is so everywhere in microstock.

To the OP.. at least you made fingers. But got lazy and plopped the head onto the shoulders creating a distracting seam of sorts.

« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2011, 16:44 »
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Yeah, you may want to expand your inspiration repetiire with some other artists too...


I guess I spoke too soon.  It appears he does...

Me:

Him:


Me:

Him:


There's some "inspired" by AndrewJohnson, alexsl, and other 3d'ers too.

« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2011, 16:48 »
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awesome work - but they would look better in gold  :-*

« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2011, 17:03 »
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stock rocks thats for sure, congratulations IS for having exclusive 3d contributors (also both similar work) and let non exclusives get in with similar work :)

blame the agencies not the contributors

« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2011, 17:30 »
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sorry but this is all very confusing, dont take it personally

your file from

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-12783411-3d-guy-success.php
04-29-10 Sean Locke

file from ioannis
http://www.fotolia.com/id/15998607

from around August 2009

the similarity stuff will be always a big question, I am not saying you have looked into ioannis but that will be impossible to know, just like the laflor and yuri..

« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2011, 19:08 »
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Ouch.  Well I don't troll fotolia at all, so I'm not even sure who ionnis is.  But at least I can say I stepped it up a notch with a more complex model and coloring, etc. :)

« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2011, 19:15 »
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^^^ It's ridiculous to suggest that the example above is comparable  to the issue in question. Nobody in their right mind would seriously accuse Sean of lacking originality __ despite having his own work continuously copied by others. The files in question are minor doodles in a portfolio of 10k images (apart from being significantly different figures and perspective).

The OP had clearly set out to reproduce as many of the best-selling images of a particluar well-known, successful artist __ and nothing else. Then he had the brass neck to come on here and boast about how much money he had made from doing so.

You were the only person that clapped their hands in appreciation. Of course you don't make any effort or earn your living from stock so why should you care about those that do?

« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2011, 19:27 »
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^^^ It's ridiculous to suggest that the example above is comparable  to the issue in question. Nobody in their right mind would seriously accuse Sean of lacking originality __ despite having his own work continuously copied by others. The files in question are minor doodles in a portfolio of 10k images (apart from being significantly different figures and perspective).

The OP had clearly set out to reproduce as many of the best-selling images of a particluar well-known, successful artist __ and nothing else. Then he had the brass neck to come on here and boast about how much money he had made from doing so.

You were the only person that clapped their hands in appreciation. Of course you don't make any effort or earn your living from stock so why should you care about those that do?

why dont you read my posts properly?

again your are 100%, I havent spent a single minute on stock :)

I got laflor uploading for me!

lisafx

« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2011, 19:31 »
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The OP had clearly set out to reproduce as many of the best-selling images of a particluar well-known, successful artist __ and nothing else. Then he had the brass neck to come on here and boast about how much money he had made from doing so.


Yes, I agree.  Many of us have similar concepts and even similar executions.  Luis' example of the two figures lifting the barbell shows that.  It is unavoidable.  But this goes beyond mere inspiration.

One way I always tell if I am dealing with a "great minds think alike" situation, vs. a flagrant copier, is to look at their entire portfolio.  If it's somebody putting their own spin on some cliched concepts here or there, that's one thing.  But in the case of the OP, his entire portfolio looks like an exact copy of a single other  contributor.  The line is blurry sometimes, but this quite definitely crosses way over it.  

« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2011, 19:44 »
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again I have never said that I agree on it or so..  (what have you tell about laflor??) yes heck of a job, whatever, honestly I feel sick looking at his portfolio, I wouldnt do nothing like that, I am not saying I am capable, mostly probably not but I wouldnt do it.. but yeh Yuri is 100% his best mate and approves it! (how many of you would feel the same?)

again the problem isnt in contributors (you can leave your pride, leave yourself and go for the money).. the problem is with agencies who approve this behaviour and I guess are asking for more once they keep on coming..

this 3d pictures are going in everyday not from a person, from a lot of them, but again cant people do them anymore?? then we talked about handshakes etc.. we contributors cannot do nothing, agencies have all the power, thats why I wont put a contributor down, good or bad, thats their way, again I dont agree with copying, but where is the limit legally??

« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2011, 20:59 »
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again I have never said that I agree on it or so.. 

Oh I see. So when you said "keep up the good work Air" you were disagreeing with him then?

(what have you tell about laflor??) yes heck of a job, whatever, honestly I feel sick looking at his portfolio, I wouldnt do nothing like that, I am not saying I am capable, mostly probably not but I wouldnt do it.. but yeh Yuri is 100% his best mate and approves it! (how many of you would feel the same?)

I've said before what I think of Laflor. Yet another copycat __ just a very well-funded one in his case.

... again the problem isnt in contributors (you can leave your pride, leave yourself and go for the money).. the problem is with agencies who approve this behaviour and I guess are asking for more once they keep on coming..

No, the problem is with the contributors. What are you suggesting? That every reviewer on every agency should have memorised the entire library?

this 3d pictures are going in everyday not from a person, from a lot of them, but again cant people do them anymore?? then we talked about handshakes etc.. we contributors cannot do nothing, agencies have all the power, thats why I wont put a contributor down, good or bad, thats their way, again I dont agree with copying, but where is the limit legally??

« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2011, 22:23 »
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honestly I think that every review, every stock contributor know this 3D pictures from ioannis, they are everywhere, it is like yuri models..

again regarding Air work I dont care, if agencies are allowing it, thats not my business, if I could control them I wouldnt get the cuts, so I keep my opinion agencies are the ones to blame


SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2011, 01:28 »
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honestly I think that every review, every stock contributor know this 3D pictures from ioannis, they are everywhere, it is like yuri models..

again regarding Air work I dont care, if agencies are allowing it, thats not my business, if I could control them I wouldnt get the cuts, so I keep my opinion agencies are the ones to blame

you can have an opinion about anything Luis....but it's wrong. contributors are responsible for the content they upload. as long as a contributor uploads an image that meets all requirements, including ownership of the copyright...only then will the agency potentially advocate on your behalf. if you choose to copy another artist's work...you are violating any portion of the agreement with your agent that pertains to the copyright of your material. inspectors/reviewers can't be expected to know millions of images by sight.

enforcement is another story. the agency is responsible for deciding when/if to enforce anything regarding copying. as copying is difficult to prove. doesn't matter, as I suspected, the OP has disappeared and I doubt we'll hear from him/her again (I think it was a guy).
« Last Edit: January 25, 2011, 01:30 by SNP »

« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2011, 13:09 »
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I am getting tired of this topic.. like I said AGENCIES must punish this, end of story


 

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