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R1 · « **on:** January 24, 2011, 10:30 »

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dirkr · « **Reply #1 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:04 »

Nice portfolio. You know where to get your inspiration from.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:12 »

sorry dirkr but if you want to go that way I can tell you like 10 contributors doing that also so why not one more?.. if I read well that´s just stock, there isn´t no limit regarding inspiration!

keep up the good work Air

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:38 »

Yeah, all the top contributors are soooo original, with rows of female-led suited teenagers doing business handshakes over a jumping goldfish ..... ;=)

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:49 »

Quote from: dirkr on January 24, 2011, 11:04

Nice portfolio. You know where to get your inspiration from.

Yeah, you may want to expand your inspiration repetiire with some other artists too...

massman · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:59 »

Try them in orange.

R1 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:06 »

I'm a bit confused... Am I in a court?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:15 »

Quote from: Air0ne on January 24, 2011, 12:06

I'm a bit confused... Am I in a court?

no you aren´t.. this is microstockgroup

gostwyck · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:16 »

Quote from: Air0ne on January 24, 2011, 12:06

I'm a bit confused... Am I in a court?

You probably should be. Or detained in a home for the criminally unoriginal.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:19 »

Quote from: gostwyck on January 24, 2011, 12:16

Quote from: Air0ne on January 24, 2011, 12:06
I'm a bit confused... Am I in a court?

You probably should be. Or detained in a home for the criminally unoriginal.

and maybe another 10k contributors right?

R1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:22 »

I will be curious to see with what kind of pictures you all started...

I'm just a bit disappointed to see how it works here

luissantos84 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:28 »

Quote from: Air0ne on January 24, 2011, 12:22

I will be curious to see with what kind of pictures you all started...

I'm just a bit disappointed to see how it works here

don´t be.. you are on right track, just like "laflor" you have seen what have sales etc and you are doing it pretty well, stock isn´t art like ALL TOP guys say!

SNP · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:38 »

Quote from: Air0ne on January 24, 2011, 12:06

I'm a bit confused... Am I in a court?

sorry, but you invited a microscope and your work is strikingly identical to another prolific contributor's images. there's a line between inspiration and copying. sure, we all want to make money and there is a finite number of salable concepts....but you've basically just ripped off a best selling artist's work. you're not going to get much sympathy or help in a forum populated by microstock peers. maybe post your images in a traditional stock forum..they'd be happy to see a microstock contributor being cannibalized.

gostwyck · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:41 »

Quote from: Air0ne on January 24, 2011, 12:22

I will be curious to see with what kind of pictures you all started...

I'm just a bit disappointed to see how it works here

You asked the question "Is it good?". Well most of us here, being original artists, clearly don't think that blatant plagiarism is "good". Personally I think it is pretty pathetic. The main reason I don't have a link to my port from here is to stop people like you copying the work that I earn my living from.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:48 »

Quote from: SNP on January 24, 2011, 12:38

Quote from: Air0ne on January 24, 2011, 12:06
I'm a bit confused... Am I in a court?

sorry, but you invited a microscope and your work is strikingly identical to another prolific contributor's images. there's a line between inspiration and copying. sure, we all want to make money and there is a finite number of salable concepts....but you've basically just ripped off a best selling artist's work. you're not going to get much sympathy or help in a forum populated by microstock peers. maybe post your images in a traditional stock forum..they'd be happy to see a microstock contributor being cannibalized.

Where is the limit of "copying"? (I am talking legally not pride or other..)

I can add that if this will ever stop it will be from agencies not from contributors we don´t own nothing and never will

SNP · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:54 »

Luis, with all due respect, if you have to ask....that's a problem. you know if you do it, and others know if you do it. in this example it's blatant IMO.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:00 »

Quote from: SNP on January 24, 2011, 12:54

Luis, with all due respect, if you have to ask....that's a problem. you know if you do it, and others know if you do it. in this example it's blatant IMO.

that´s the exact answer I would want to hear, finally!

I agree 100%.. why agencies keep approving?

loop · « **Reply #17 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:04 »

I agree... that looks... a bit too much. A pity.

gostwyck · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:06 »

The legality might be questionable (or unenforceable) but the ethics are not. It's bad enough to be so blatant ... but then to also request 'congratulations' is simply breathtaking.

If I ran an agency and someone did what the OP has done, if the original artist brought it to my attention, then I would simply close the account of the copier. I believe the agencies do have a responsibility to protect their original artists. I think Ioannis should be informed.

Magnum · « **Reply #19 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:11 »

Why not make a "golden" serie as well...

luissantos84 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:13 »

Quote from: gostwyck on January 24, 2011, 13:06

The legality might be questionable (or unenforceable) but the ethics are not. It's bad enough to be so blatant ... but then to also request 'congratulations' is simply breathtaking.

If I ran an agency and someone did what the OP has done, if the original artist brought it to my attention, then I would simply close the account of the copier. I believe the agencies do have a responsibility to protect their original artists. I think Ioannis should be informed.

nothing against.. but come on.. look at Andres latest work..

R1 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:14 »

Woowww... so fast to judge...

I tried different things before doing what I'm doing... For sure, I have been inspired by the guy you mentioned, but he is not alone doing white 3d characters... Even if each time, I tried to be better than others... it seems to be a crime for you guys.

You are all well established at the top... but we don't have to right to shake the tree a little?

I will not insult anyone here as most of you did...

SNP · « **Reply #22 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:19 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 24, 2011, 13:00

Quote from: SNP on January 24, 2011, 12:54
Luis, with all due respect, if you have to ask....that's a problem. you know if you do it, and others know if you do it. in this example it's blatant IMO.

that´s the exact answer I would want to hear, finally!

I agree 100%.. why agencies keep approving?

they keep approving A: because inspectors can't be expected to know every image in the databases....B: because even if the images are copied and do squeak through, the agency makes money anyways because it'll sell if it's good enough.

C: there are always going to be unscrupulous people who want to fastest route to making money

luissantos84 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:25 »

Quote from: SNP on January 24, 2011, 13:19

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 24, 2011, 13:00
Quote from: SNP on January 24, 2011, 12:54
Luis, with all due respect, if you have to ask....that's a problem. you know if you do it, and others know if you do it. in this example it's blatant IMO.

that´s the exact answer I would want to hear, finally!

I agree 100%.. why agencies keep approving?

they keep approving A: because inspectors can't be expected to know every image in the databases....B: because even if the images are copied and do squeak through, the agency makes money anyways because it'll sell if it's good enough.

C: there are always going to be unscrupulous people who want to fastest route to making money

As we know AGENCIES do what they want, remove, cut, etc.. why don´t a reviewer know this kind of work? they are SO FAMOUS!

Agencies are the ones who are screwing stock, not contributors.. it will never end until they do their work properly, they are just looking into their pockets, not even protecting contributors.. money money money

ShadySue · « **Reply #24 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:28 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 24, 2011, 13:25

why don´t a reviewer know this kind of work? they are SO FAMOUS!

To be honest, I wondered this myself. Even though I don't do 3D and don't really look at it, I could see that these were unoriginal. But I also know that many people do similar work.

rubyroo · « **Reply #25 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:41 »

Looks as though the OP has removed their post and link - but I would have thought anyone directly copying Ioannis' work (rather than being inspired to say the same thing in a different and unique way) would be asking for trouble.

If someone with a tendency to plagiarise is new to microstock, they may not be aware quite how famous those images are. Even apart from being unethical, it's a silly risk to take with a budding microstock career and ultimately, I would have thought, completely unrewarding.

I think some will never understand how much plagiarism hurts the one plagiarised, destroys livelihoods and drags down and dilutes the industry unless it happens to them, sadly.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 24, 2011, 13:47 »

agree with all said, but again the problem is on agencies, they don´t care! there are tons and tons of the same best selling pictures..

I haven´t done one but I guess if Andres or other can do this why not everybody? agencies need to be serious

and then contributors can tell their work isn´t similar, the head is different the shape whatever, that´s another problem.. but again agencies should be the one to watch, punish this issues..

rubyroo · « **Reply #27 on:** January 24, 2011, 14:00 »

I agree with you Luis. Better policing by the agencies on this issue would be welcomed. Of course they want more images, updates on old concepts, variations on themes etc. but they have to draw the line somewhere.

I don't know of any issue with Andres - I think I looked at his port once in my early days, and felt so depressed (at how inadequate it made me feel) that I never went back

VB inc · « **Reply #28 on:** January 24, 2011, 14:20 »

okay.... i haven't seen the OP link since its taken down. But why are we all so quick to call out foul to copying a style that so absurdly GENERIC and easy. That is the 3d equivalent to drawing stick figures to anyone that can actually draw for a living. Timing is crucial in this industry and the other guy with all those same 3d model is lucky to have his portfolio in when he did because im sure he isnt the first one with that style but maybe one of the earlier ones that got into microstock.

gostwyck · « **Reply #29 on:** January 24, 2011, 14:27 »

Quote from: VB inc on January 24, 2011, 14:20

okay.... i haven't seen the OP link since its taken down. But why are we all so quick to call out foul to copying a style that so absurdly GENERIC and easy. That is the 3d equivalent to drawing stick figures to anyone that can actually draw for a living. Timing is crucial in this industry and the other guy with all those same 3d model is lucky to have his portfolio in when he did because im sure he isnt the first one with that style but maybe one of the earlier ones that got into microstock.

Here's the OP's link __ make your own mind up;

http://tinyurl.com/Air0ne

VB inc · « **Reply #30 on:** January 24, 2011, 15:13 »

^^ saw it.. still looks like a style anyone can do so im sure the other dudes not that pissed off since both looks are very un-original. But yeah... total copying of concept is so everywhere in microstock.

To the OP.. at least you made fingers. But got lazy and plopped the head onto the shoulders creating a distracting seam of sorts.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #31 on:** January 24, 2011, 16:44 »

Quote from: sjlocke on January 24, 2011, 11:49

Yeah, you may want to expand your inspiration repetiire with some other artists too...

I guess I spoke too soon. It appears he does...

Me:

Him:

Me:

Him:

There's some "inspired" by AndrewJohnson, alexsl, and other 3d'ers too.

kingjon · « **Reply #32 on:** January 24, 2011, 16:48 »

awesome work - but they would look better in gold

luissantos84 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 24, 2011, 17:03 »

stock rocks thats for sure, congratulations IS for having exclusive 3d contributors (also both similar work) and let non exclusives get in with similar work

blame the agencies not the contributors

luissantos84 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 24, 2011, 17:30 »

sorry but this is all very confusing, dont take it personally

your file from

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-12783411-3d-guy-success.php
04-29-10 © Sean Locke

file from ioannis
http://www.fotolia.com/id/15998607

from around August 2009

the similarity stuff will be always a big question, I am not saying you have looked into ioannis but that will be impossible to know, just like the laflor and yuri..

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #35 on:** January 24, 2011, 19:08 »

Ouch. Well I don't troll fotolia at all, so I'm not even sure who ionnis is. But at least I can say I stepped it up a notch with a more complex model and coloring, etc.

gostwyck · « **Reply #36 on:** January 24, 2011, 19:15 »

^^^ It's ridiculous to suggest that the example above is comparable to the issue in question. Nobody in their right mind would seriously accuse Sean of lacking originality __ despite having his own work continuously copied by others. The files in question are minor doodles in a portfolio of 10k images (apart from being significantly different figures and perspective).

The OP had clearly set out to reproduce as many of the best-selling images of a particluar well-known, successful artist __ and nothing else. Then he had the brass neck to come on here and boast about how much money he had made from doing so.

You were the only person that clapped their hands in appreciation. Of course you don't make any effort or earn your living from stock so why should you care about those that do?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 24, 2011, 19:27 »

Quote from: gostwyck on January 24, 2011, 19:15

^^^ It's ridiculous to suggest that the example above is comparable to the issue in question. Nobody in their right mind would seriously accuse Sean of lacking originality __ despite having his own work continuously copied by others. The files in question are minor doodles in a portfolio of 10k images (apart from being significantly different figures and perspective).

The OP had clearly set out to reproduce as many of the best-selling images of a particluar well-known, successful artist __ and nothing else. Then he had the brass neck to come on here and boast about how much money he had made from doing so.

You were the only person that clapped their hands in appreciation. Of course you don't make any effort or earn your living from stock so why should you care about those that do?

why don´t you read my posts properly?

again your are 100%, I haven´t spent a single minute on stock

I got laflor uploading for me!

lisafx · « **Reply #38 on:** January 24, 2011, 19:31 »

Quote from: gostwyck on January 24, 2011, 19:15

The OP had clearly set out to reproduce as many of the best-selling images of a particluar well-known, successful artist __ and nothing else. Then he had the brass neck to come on here and boast about how much money he had made from doing so.

Yes, I agree. Many of us have similar concepts and even similar executions. Luis' example of the two figures lifting the barbell shows that. It is unavoidable. But this goes beyond mere inspiration.

One way I always tell if I am dealing with a "great minds think alike" situation, vs. a flagrant copier, is to look at their entire portfolio. If it's somebody putting their own spin on some cliched concepts here or there, that's one thing. But in the case of the OP, his entire portfolio looks like an exact copy of a single other contributor. The line is blurry sometimes, but this quite definitely crosses way over it.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 24, 2011, 19:44 »

again I have never said that I agree on it or so.. (what have you tell about laflor??) yes heck of a job, whatever, honestly I feel sick looking at his portfolio, I wouldn´t do nothing like that, I am not saying I am capable, mostly probably not but I wouldnt do it.. but yeh Yuri is 100% his best mate and approves it! (how many of you would feel the same?)

again the problem isn´t in contributors (you can leave your pride, leave yourself and go for the money).. the problem is with agencies who approve this behaviour and I guess are asking for more once they keep on coming..

this 3d pictures are going in everyday not from a person, from a lot of them, but again can´t people do them anymore?? then we talked about handshakes etc.. we contributors cannot do nothing, agencies have all the power, that´s why I won´t put a contributor down, good or bad, that´s their way, again I don´t agree with copying, but where is the limit legally??

gostwyck · « **Reply #40 on:** January 24, 2011, 20:59 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 24, 2011, 19:44

again I have never said that I agree on it or so..

Oh I see. So when you said "keep up the good work Air" you were disagreeing with him then?

(what have you tell about laflor??) yes heck of a job, whatever, honestly I feel sick looking at his portfolio, I wouldn´t do nothing like that, I am not saying I am capable, mostly probably not but I wouldnt do it.. but yeh Yuri is 100% his best mate and approves it! (how many of you would feel the same?)

I've said before what I think of Laflor. Yet another copycat __ just a very well-funded one in his case.

... again the problem isn´t in contributors (you can leave your pride, leave yourself and go for the money).. the problem is with agencies who approve this behaviour and I guess are asking for more once they keep on coming..

No, the problem is with the contributors. What are you suggesting? That every reviewer on every agency should have memorised the entire library?

this 3d pictures are going in everyday not from a person, from a lot of them, but again can´t people do them anymore?? then we talked about handshakes etc.. we contributors cannot do nothing, agencies have all the power, that´s why I won´t put a contributor down, good or bad, that´s their way, again I don´t agree with copying, but where is the limit legally??

luissantos84 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 24, 2011, 22:23 »

honestly I think that every review, every stock contributor know this 3D pictures from ioannis, they are everywhere, it is like yuri models..

again regarding Air work I don´t care, if agencies are allowing it, thats not my business, if I could control them I wouldn´t get the cuts, so I keep my opinion agencies are the ones to blame

SNP · « **Reply #42 on:** January 25, 2011, 01:28 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 24, 2011, 22:23

honestly I think that every review, every stock contributor know this 3D pictures from ioannis, they are everywhere, it is like yuri models..

again regarding Air work I don´t care, if agencies are allowing it, thats not my business, if I could control them I wouldn´t get the cuts, so I keep my opinion agencies are the ones to blame

you can have an opinion about anything Luis....but it's wrong. contributors are responsible for the content they upload. as long as a contributor uploads an image that meets all requirements, including ownership of the copyright...only then will the agency potentially advocate on your behalf. if you choose to copy another artist's work...you are violating any portion of the agreement with your agent that pertains to the copyright of your material. inspectors/reviewers can't be expected to know millions of images by sight.

enforcement is another story. the agency is responsible for deciding when/if to enforce anything regarding copying. as copying is difficult to prove. doesn't matter, as I suspected, the OP has disappeared and I doubt we'll hear from him/her again (I think it was a guy).

luissantos84 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 25, 2011, 13:09 »

I am getting tired of this topic.. like I said AGENCIES must punish this, end of story

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