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« on: February 11, 2017, 18:33 »
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Hi, i'm new in this business, i wuold like to know if it's possible to live only selling photos in microstock site?


« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2017, 18:41 »
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Cue the "what it costs to live in various parts of the world" discussion.

« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2017, 18:49 »
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I live in Caracas Venezuela, some services (electricity,Internet,water,gasoline) are very cheap, but food,health,medicine and private services are expensives.
Please help me with your sugestions. Thanks!

« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2017, 19:28 »
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The industry rule-of-thumb for years has been $1 USD per image per year in a stock library. A beginner in the industry won't likely make that much - even if that beginner is pretty good at stock photos. A beginner at iStock only makes 15% of the sale (I think) so won't make $1 PIPY. iStock has low royatlies for beginners but other sites are not much higher. So you might make some back-of-napkin wild calculations at maybe $0.10 (10 cents) per image per year USD and see how many images it would take for you to live.

« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2017, 19:55 »
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I don't think you can absorb calories just from shooting photography. You will probably need normal nutritional sustenance as well.

« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2017, 22:35 »
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alexander,
ss expects to pay out $35 a month.
if you can live well with that, then yes, it is still possible to live only selling photos in microstock  8)

outoftheblue

« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2017, 03:05 »
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Is it possible? Yes, it is. Everywhere in the world.

But expect to treat it as a real job, not as a hobby.

You'll need to work many many hours every day, earning next to nothing for the first months or years and slowly reaching that point when you'll have a few thousand good photos on every major site.

And then continue adding photos every day forever.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2017, 03:10 by outoftheblue »

alno

« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2017, 03:08 »
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Hi, i'm new in this business, i wuold like to know if it's possible to live only selling photos in microstock site?

The answer is yes I guess but the main problem is to build up some really good collection. This alone requires a lot of time and some money (gear, trips, props, models). Making up a good collection being a part-time microstock contributor would require far more time than doing this as a full time job. But the full time job is only possible when you have some considerable savings since your first months would probably only bring you several dollars and signs of despair. The main problem IMO is keep yourself motivated while looking at those pathetic figures of income for quite a long time.

« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2017, 03:23 »
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Possible but very very hard I'm guessing youd need to be in say the top 1-2%. Even if you are good and dedicated it will take time

« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2017, 03:30 »
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alexander,
ss expects to pay out $35 a month.
if you can live well with that, then yes, it is still possible to live only selling photos in microstock  8)
No they dont

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2017, 04:19 »
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I can live on what I'm making, but I make video. It helps that I'm in a cheap part of the world at the moment, but I could probably still live quite comfortably in most places... but not London, New York, LA, Paris etc.

Depends on how much work you put in, how good you are, and how much you need to live on. Even so, it's not exactly easy, but it is possible.

alno

« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2017, 04:44 »
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I can live on what I'm making, but I make video. It helps that I'm in a cheap part of the world at the moment, but I could probably still live quite comfortably in most places... but not London, New York, LA, Paris etc.

Depends on how much work you put in, how good you are, and how much you need to live on. Even so, it's not exactly easy, but it is possible.

It helps until you have to buy some camera or a new computer, then the cheap part of the world becomes usual expensive part :)

« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2017, 05:04 »
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I can live on what I'm making, but I make video. It helps that I'm in a cheap part of the world at the moment, but I could probably still live quite comfortably in most places... but not London, New York, LA, Paris etc.

Depends on how much work you put in, how good you are, and how much you need to live on. Even so, it's not exactly easy, but it is possible.

It helps until you have to buy some camera or a new computer, then the cheap part of the world becomes usual expensive part :)
Yep very true a lot depends if you already have the equipment/software. I think these days its less necessary to "upgrade" regularly but say your camera suddenly blows up that could be a huge blow

« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2017, 05:11 »
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It's quite possible, however it keeps getting harder every year in my opinion. You can still do it, but be prepared to put in a lot of hours. A lot also depends on your talent / workflow (automate whenever possible, use your time efficiently ...). Good luck!

« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2017, 05:37 »
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Yes, it's possible, but like most jobs only if you put in hard work and time (8-10 hours per day like a normal job).

So many people start out by uploading 100 photos and then sit back and wait, wondering why they aren't rich yet...

How many microstockers here can honestly say they put in 40 quality hours of microstock work every week?

« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2017, 06:00 »
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I think the ideal situation is for people who have another source of income that leaves them a lot of spare times (teachers for example).
Especially if shooting photo/video is your hobby and you enjoy it in your spare time, even better if you have already a few thousands of images sitting in your computer.
Microstock can give you a complementary income while having fun

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2017, 06:49 »
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Yeah, branded electronics are rarely as cheap as they would be in the US, no matter where you are. You might be able to have a night out for $10 in wherever, compared to $100 in New York/London... but that doesn't mean you can get a decent computer for $100 compared to $1000.



« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2017, 08:43 »
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Yes, it's possible, but like most jobs only if you put in hard work and time (8-10 hours per day like a normal job).

So many people start out by uploading 100 photos and then sit back and wait, wondering why they aren't rich yet...

How many microstockers here can honestly say they put in 40 quality hours of microstock work every week?
Not me I reckon if I scaled up to that I might scrape a subsistence living but would probably have to focus more on stuff that sells rather than stuff I like doing.

« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2017, 10:32 »
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Cameras, lenses and old computers can be very cheap on Ebay or a second hand shop.  My old Canon 300D photos still sell well and that camera goes for very little now.  No problem with 6mp if you stitch a few photos together.  The Gimp is free, that's all I used for image editing at one time.  If the camera is too expensive, just use Inkscape for free and make vectors.  I could probably do microstock with a $100 phone if that was all the money I had.

« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2017, 19:32 »
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It's possible to reach  $ 1000 USD a year as a beginner like me?  Last Year i made $ 150 USD what do you suggest to me?

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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2017, 19:58 »
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It's possible to reach  $ 1000 USD a year as a beginner like me?  Last Year i made $ 150 USD what do you suggest to me?

My first year was 2007; by the end of that year, I had <900 files, all not-very-commercial (no released images), and I earned $1460.
My best year was 2012, and it's been downhill for me since then.

It's much harder to start nowadays, unless you have access to some niche which most people couldn't access AND, crucially, that niche is in demand by buyers.
Otherwise, all you can do is study what others can do, and consider
   whether you can do it better,
   how much it would cost you to do it better,
   whether it's likely to be worth it.
And remember the most important thing: turnover is vanity; profit is sanity.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 20:21 by ShadySue »

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2017, 20:36 »
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It's possible to reach  $ 1000 USD a year as a beginner like me?  Last Year i made $ 150 USD what do you suggest to me?

Make more stuff and make better stuff. There's a bit more to it than that, like where to upload, keywording, an efficient workflow for shooting and editing, but it pretty much boils down to that.

$1000 a month is achievable, but probably won't be easy.

« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2017, 12:13 »
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I think the ideal situation is for people who have another source of income that leaves them a lot of spare times (teachers for example).
Especially if shooting photo/video is your hobby and you enjoy it in your spare time, even better if you have already a few thousands of images sitting in your computer.
Microstock can give you a complementary income while having fun

Please cut the dig at teachers. ;) I don't know where you are, but here it is a mega job with all the admin, meetings and trendy new ideas. Thanks.

« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2017, 12:22 »
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I think the ideal situation is for people who have another source of income that leaves them a lot of spare times (teachers for example).
Especially if shooting photo/video is your hobby and you enjoy it in your spare time, even better if you have already a few thousands of images sitting in your computer.
Microstock can give you a complementary income while having fun

Please cut the dig at teachers. ;) I don't know where you are, but here it is a mega job with all the admin, meetings and trendy new ideas. Thanks.
There is a cue to my location in my name.
Sorry I didn't mean anything bad about teachers, maybe I did not use the right word, but I know a lot of people that teach music, or photography, or painting, or image post processing for a few hours a week and also submit photo, video, graphics or video to stock agencies.
Similar situation for myself: I do tutorials on the Internet and stock video, the two things complement very well.
Probably instead of teachers I should have said people who do a bit of teaching

« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2017, 12:39 »
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I can live on what I'm making, but I make video. It helps that I'm in a cheap part of the world at the moment, but I could probably still live quite comfortably in most places... but not London, New York, LA, Paris etc.

Depends on how much work you put in, how good you are, and how much you need to live on. Even so, it's not exactly easy, but it is possible.

It helps until you have to buy some camera or a new computer, then the cheap part of the world becomes usual expensive part :)
Yep very true a lot depends if you already have the equipment/software. I think these days its less necessary to "upgrade" regularly but say your camera suddenly blows up that could be a huge blow

i disagree...well electronic cost sure...it' s the same...but try living in paris or rome and then go to budapest belgrade kiev outside moscow for russia,. in addiction the pay is in dollar....fo euro country is a minus due to exchange rate, for other country is big plus, especially in the last years.
in my opinion you can live well in some countries in other no. production cost are very cheap in those countries also.

« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2017, 12:43 »
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I think the ideal situation is for people who have another source of income that leaves them a lot of spare times (teachers for example).
Especially if shooting photo/video is your hobby and you enjoy it in your spare time, even better if you have already a few thousands of images sitting in your computer.
Microstock can give you a complementary income while having fun

yes and the quality of micro stock today reflects this...and will be worsecause nobody could live in long time and the quality will reflect this.
if i were a buyer i would never bother with micro stock, i will go directly to stocksy for example.

« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2017, 16:46 »
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yes and the quality of micro stock today reflects this...and will be worsecause nobody could live in long time and the quality will reflect this.
if i were a buyer i would never bother with micro stock, i will go directly to stocksy for example.

which may be so.. but first, stocksy is too artsy fatsy and not all buyers need that...
secondly, today it may reflect how bad stock shots are,
but ss still have a lot of very well-shot and well-produced shots before the 7/10 criterion was
removed to make way for bolstering the inventory with bad stuff.
then again, that is only a fraction of the whole inventory...

also, no one wants to pay stocksy prices either for a simple ad shot which are
a dime a dozen , mostly well done, at ss.

the bar was lifted so high at one time, i say ss micro stuffs were far superior to
getty or even stocksy today.
eg. you see a lots of clipped hlights and blocked shadows at stocksy or even offset
which would never get passed ss during the time ss was 90%
and when istock too was something else.


« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2017, 03:41 »
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I think the ideal situation is for people who have another source of income that leaves them a lot of spare times (teachers for example).
Especially if shooting photo/video is your hobby and you enjoy it in your spare time, even better if you have already a few thousands of images sitting in your computer.
Microstock can give you a complementary income while having fun

yes and the quality of micro stock today reflects this...and will be worsecause nobody could live in long time and the quality will reflect this.
if i were a buyer i would never bother with micro stock, i will go directly to stocksy for example.
That would depend on your budget I would think. Stocksy is great for some but a tiny market share compared with SS I would imagine.

« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2017, 07:46 »
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I think the ideal situation is for people who have another source of income that leaves them a lot of spare times (teachers for example).
Especially if shooting photo/video is your hobby and you enjoy it in your spare time, even better if you have already a few thousands of images sitting in your computer.
Microstock can give you a complementary income while having fun

yes and the quality of micro stock today reflects this...and will be worsecause nobody could live in long time and the quality will reflect this.
if i were a buyer i would never bother with micro stock, i will go directly to stocksy for example.
That would depend on your budget I would think. Stocksy is great for some but a tiny market share compared with SS I would imagine.

Correct it all depends on the budget. Go buy at Trevillion and the price tag is three times that of stocky or offset. Besides I think the higher end of micro-stock can offer equal quality perhaps not as trendy or unique but many microstockers can equal in terms of quality.

« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2017, 08:42 »
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Is it possible?

Yes, just like it is possible to earn a living as a painter.
Still I wouldnt recommend it, because it will only work for a short period of time and only if you are very good.

There are some qualifications you need to have.
You need to have some kind of unique visual talent.
You need to have above average computing and technical skills. (global parameter)
You need to have above average language skills. ( It helps if you are a native English speaker, but you are better off being bilinqual and have a good knowledge of other languages)
You need to have above average business skills.
You must have a knowledge about legal issues and terms.
You need to have excellent photoshopping skills.
You need to have excellent communication skills.
You need to know about trends in the global market of photographty, and you need to be able to produce state of the art Photos, or above.
I will not recommend it, because no matter how good you fare, when all your time and talents are at work, after a short time (five years) you are being outcompeted and you will loose your position and your sales.
The nature of microstock is predatory, and when the agencies have sucked all the blood out of you, there will only be a skeleton left.
Been there done that, we are a few.....

outoftheblue

« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2017, 08:49 »
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yes and the quality of micro stock today reflects this...and will be worsecause nobody could live in long time and the quality will reflect this.
if i were a buyer i would never bother with micro stock, i will go directly to stocksy for example.
That would depend on your budget I would think. Stocksy is great for some but a tiny market share compared with SS I would imagine.

Furthermore, am I the only one who can't stand Stocksy? Their pictures look all the same and very fake - although in its own special way, different from the typical microstock fake. They are trying too hard to look "authentic" but the result is just the opposite.

« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2017, 09:30 »
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yes and the quality of micro stock today reflects this...and will be worsecause nobody could live in long time and the quality will reflect this.
if i were a buyer i would never bother with micro stock, i will go directly to stocksy for example.
That would depend on your budget I would think. Stocksy is great for some but a tiny market share compared with SS I would imagine.

Furthermore, am I the only one who can't stand Stocksy? Their pictures look all the same and very fake - although in its own special way, different from the typical microstock fake. They are trying too hard to look "authentic" but the result is just the opposite.
Whether you and I like it is not really an issue. I detest the Yuri "look" but it was/is in demand and sells but can recognize its success from a business perspective. Like sincerity if you can fake authentic youve cracked it  :P

« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2017, 09:36 »
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Personally I like the Stoksy look.
What I really cannot stand is the lifestyle high key look of microstock images with young people always smiling and looking extremely happy playing with electronic gadgets

« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2017, 11:29 »
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yes and the quality of micro stock today reflects this...and will be worsecause nobody could live in long time and the quality will reflect this.
if i were a buyer i would never bother with micro stock, i will go directly to stocksy for example.
That would depend on your budget I would think. Stocksy is great for some but a tiny market share compared with SS I would imagine.

Furthermore, am I the only one who can't stand Stocksy? Their pictures look all the same and very fake - although in its own special way, different from the typical microstock fake. They are trying too hard to look "authentic" but the result is just the opposite.

personally no. they look good, film like and most have a real feeling.microstock people photography is terrible in my opinion. all those super white teeth...it's not a case the best shooter nowadays in microstok use a stocksy approach.
yuri arcurs photography was so boring even in 2009.

« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2017, 11:31 »
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Personally I like the Stoksy look.
What I really cannot stand is the lifestyle high key look of microstock images with young people always smiling and looking extremely happy playing with electronic gadgets

bingo. terrible.
sotksyis mostly done by artist or creative people with a strong background..microsock is more made by amateur who take good photos.
personally i'm happy to not have given strong importance to micron in the first year...i would have developed a super boring approach to photography, who probably would have limited my career just to micro.
i remem,ber the time were flare or blown highlight were always a no no...where u had to light everything with soft 1:1 ratio so any shadow was there...where a slightly blown sky ws a rejection..shadow in face again rejection...
micostock is the discount supermarket of photography.

« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2017, 11:33 »
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yes and the quality of micro stock today reflects this...and will be worsecause nobody could live in long time and the quality will reflect this.
if i were a buyer i would never bother with micro stock, i will go directly to stocksy for example.

which may be so.. but first, stocksy is too artsy fatsy and not all buyers need that...
secondly, today it may reflect how bad stock shots are,
but ss still have a lot of very well-shot and well-produced shots before the 7/10 criterion was
removed to make way for bolstering the inventory with bad stuff.
then again, that is only a fraction of the whole inventory...

also, no one wants to pay stocksy prices either for a simple ad shot which are
a dime a dozen , mostly well done, at ss.

the bar was lifted so high at one time, i say ss micro stuffs were far superior to
getty or even stocksy today.
eg. you see a lots of clipped hlights and blocked shadows at stocksy or even offset
which would never get passed ss during the time ss was 90%
and when istock too was something else.


completely disagree.
microstock is not up to offset or stocks or most of getty stuff.
i like food photography. micro is totally unprofessional stuff mostly. stocksy is very good stock food the best.
and i can say this also for still life. there are some author in stocksy who could produce campaign for major brand with their portfolio...i struggle to see this in micro.

« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2017, 12:13 »
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In that case they need to do something about their search engine as if I search for lettuce most images contain little or no lettuce....rather like my favourite burgers which there are far more pictures of.  I particularly like the picture of a CABBAGE on the first page very professional key wording


« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2017, 12:39 »
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In that case they need to do something about their search engine as if I search for lettuce most images contain little or no lettuce....rather like my favourite burgers which there are far more pictures of.  I particularly like the picture of a CABBAGE on the first page very professional key wording

well is your view. for me micro stock has not great  quality,mostly boring stuff....and most of the good  stuff i like is oriented towards stocksy style.

but taste vary.
i'm pretty sure if money were no problem a buyer would like to browse 2000 image of lettuce than 600000....

« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2017, 12:44 »
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In that case they need to do something about their search engine as if I search for lettuce most images contain little or no lettuce....rather like my favourite burgers which there are far more pictures of.  I particularly like the picture of a CABBAGE on the first page very professional key wording

sure they don't have 40ooo useless images from amateur. lettuce isolated on white : 40000 and more images.
i'm pretty sure serious food magazine rarely will look into micro for food.

« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2017, 12:46 »
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In that case they need to do something about their search engine as if I search for lettuce most images contain little or no lettuce....rather like my favourite burgers which there are far more pictures of.  I particularly like the picture of a CABBAGE on the first page very professional key wording

well is your view. for me micro stock has not great  quality,mostly boring stuff....and most of the good  stuff i like is oriented towards stocksy style.

but taste vary.
i'm pretty sure if money were no problem a buyer would like to browse 2000 image of lettuce than 600000....
or 2000 cabbages....I'm not commenting on image quality as you say its a matter of taste and enough people seem to like Stocksy to pay their premium. But if they are marketing themselves as higher quality you shouldn't get a picture of a cabbage if you are looking for a lettuce.

« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2017, 12:50 »
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In that case they need to do something about their search engine as if I search for lettuce most images contain little or no lettuce....rather like my favourite burgers which there are far more pictures of.  I particularly like the picture of a CABBAGE on the first page very professional key wording

well is your view. for me micro stock has not great  quality,mostly boring stuff....and most of the good  stuff i like is oriented towards stocksy style.


but taste vary.
i'm pretty sure if money were no problem a buyer would like to browse 2000 image of lettuce than 600000....
or 2000 cabbages....I'm not commenting on image quality as you say its a matter of taste and enough people seem to like Stocksy to pay their premium. But if they are marketing themselves as higher quality you shouldn't get a picture of a cabbage if you are looking for a lettuce.

sure they have problem like any agency with keyword....microstock in this is champion. so they can have one error or any.
but i'm talking artistically. they are good enough to ask premium. i hope they open the apply to agency soon.

« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2017, 15:06 »
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In that case they need to do something about their search engine as if I search for lettuce most images contain little or no lettuce....rather like my favourite burgers which there are far more pictures of.  I particularly like the picture of a CABBAGE on the first page very professional key wording

well is your view. for me micro stock has not great  quality,mostly boring stuff....and most of the good  stuff i like is oriented towards stocksy style.

but taste vary.
i'm pretty sure if money were no problem a buyer would like to browse 2000 image of lettuce than 600000....
or 2000 cabbages....I'm not commenting on image quality as you say its a matter of taste and enough people seem to like Stocksy to pay their premium. But if they are marketing themselves as higher quality you shouldn't get a picture of a cabbage if you are looking for a lettuce.

by the way of food photography...how many people from eastern europe nowadays are flooding micro stock with food photography shot wooden table top view and something behind, mostly raw stuff cause they cannot even cook dishes....seems that everybody that needs some dollar or have a canon rebel in ex soviet union buy a wooden table and some vegetable and begins shooting like crazy.
i already come across 10 15 user from ukraine and russia with nearly 1 million images , i'd say 10000 could have been enough the rest are copy of copy of copy of copy.
so good welcome to agency like stocksy...even crestock but it not sell anything....but it's still what micro stockwas at beginning.

https://www.shutterstock.com/it/g/africa+studio?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&page=2

from ukraine 1 million images. we must be ready to much more company like this.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2017, 15:12 by jonbull »

« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2017, 16:50 »
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There are very good points of view,  a few more pessimistic than others. In short, I think the best thing about a job is to enjoy what you do. :)
I have hope in the microstock business.

alno

« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2017, 16:57 »
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i disagree...well electronic cost sure...it' s the same...but try living in paris or rome and then go to budapest belgrade kiev outside moscow for russia,. in addiction the pay is in dollar....fo euro country is a minus due to exchange rate, for other country is big plus, especially in the last years.
in my opinion you can live well in some countries in other no. production cost are very cheap in those countries also.

Price of electronics is not the same in Russia and the US. Sony A6300 camera costs about $1700 versus $900 in the United States. And good luck to you buying beautiful food, lab props or shooting some business or medical footage somewhere in Lubertsy, it's right "outside Moscow". 

« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2017, 17:51 »
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i disagree...well electronic cost sure...it' s the same...but try living in paris or rome and then go to budapest belgrade kiev outside moscow for russia,. in addiction the pay is in dollar....fo euro country is a minus due to exchange rate, for other country is big plus, especially in the last years.
in my opinion you can live well in some countries in other no. production cost are very cheap in those countries also.

Price of electronics is not the same in Russia and the US. Sony A6300 camera costs about $1700 versus $900 in the United States. And good luck to you buying beautiful food, lab props or shooting some business or medical footage somewhere in Lubertsy, it's right "outside Moscow".

well u can easily buy from eBay...beautiful food can be bought..and i doubt in micro stock is so important...medical again it can be difficult in very small cities....but if you want move to paris or rome and try to lieve of your  footage...i will be happy to take back my mouth...how much you pay of taxes?
i pay near 52% all included....u?=
how much you py to rent a studio one day? i pay 300 500 euro for good studio...u?
how much you pay model? u are russian...u easily know what i'm talking about..russian girl have photogenic skill that are natural...practically even girl is nice and know how to behave in front of camera..and u not need professional model who can cost you 400 500 euro a day like in europe....i go often russian ukraine. so i know what i'm talking about.
it's not offensive..it's the reality.
or do you think russian and ukraine or belarussian produce one third or near 1/3 of content in shutter stock because they like work more than western people?
ruble has fallen down against dollar...also and u earn in dollar...so this is another WHY of the flooding of content.
most of producer don't need fancy medical center, even if you can easily shoot in medical company in russia.

« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2017, 20:55 »
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NO

« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2017, 01:54 »
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Well some of these comments ignore that a lot of stocksy contributors also have portfolios on micro sites. So there's that.


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« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2017, 14:56 »
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I live in Caracas Venezuela

I would imagine that due to the ongoing political and economic situation in Venezuela, you could make some good money from editorial shots (assuming you aren't already doing so). Simple and easy to do shots of people lining up to purchase what little food/supplies is left at supermarkets comes to mind. 

These would probably be much more in demand than the standard boring Microstock stuff.

If these editorials are rare/interesting enough it's probably better to license them as RM at Alamy, for example, rather than RF at Microstock.

« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2017, 15:22 »
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I live in Caracas Venezuela

I would imagine that due to the ongoing political and economic situation in Venezuela, you could make some good money from editorial shots (assuming you aren't already doing so). Simple and easy to do shots of people lining up to purchase what little food/supplies is left at supermarkets comes to mind. 

These would probably be much more in demand than the standard boring Microstock stuff.

If these editorials are rare/interesting enough it's probably better to license them as RM at Alamy, for example, rather than RF at Microstock.
Well, it's not so easy. Goverment have some law that prohibit to shot photos to the lines of people. It's very risky.

Brasilnut

  • Author of the Brutally Honest Guide to Microstock
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2017, 15:31 »
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Well, it's not so easy. Goverment have some law that prohibit to shot photos to the lines of people. It's very risky.

Yes, I can imagine. Could you try to do it uncover with a point and shoot? Probably not worth going to jail for a few quarters though...

« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2017, 16:55 »
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I think that right would be if you have some incomes to live. If you want to get money here, your photos should be really good. But, on the other hand try, we are living once)

« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2017, 03:19 »
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im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..

« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2017, 18:08 »
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im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..


5000 dollar month? good luck.

« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2017, 05:15 »
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im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..


5000 dollar month? good luck.

Lol if you gonna do this as a full time job you have to earn that money otherwise its not more than a hobby.
I have some friends making 8-13 grand/mont.

ShadySue

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« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2017, 05:30 »
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im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..


5000 dollar month? good luck.

Lol if you gonna do this as a full time job you have to earn that money otherwise its not more than a hobby.
I have some friends making 8-13 grand/mont.
You must live in Bermuda or Switzerland.
Still, gross and net are two different things.
Also, it's much more difficult now for newbies to get established and for oldies to maintain their earnings.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 10:10 by ShadySue »

« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2017, 08:52 »
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im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..


5000 dollar month? good luck.

Lol if you gonna do this as a full time job you have to earn that money otherwise its not more than a hobby.
I have some friends making 8-13 grand/mont.

8 13? yes big productuinb company with big portfolio like 20 30 k of super lifestyle maybe,,or video.
i bet everything you want the to earn more than 5000 a month are probably less than 50 micro stocker in the world.
i see my position in fotolia ranking and my earning per month...so i have an idea of this. maybe video is more lucrative, but again those who earn a loto spend also a lot to produce video.
and this will be even worst year after year with increasing contributor and millions of file every months added.

« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2017, 08:57 »
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im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..


5000 dollar month? good luck.

Lol if you gonna do this as a full time job you have to earn that money otherwise its not more than a hobby.
I have some friends making 8-13 grand/mont.

to earn 5000 net you need at least 9000 gross( considering you have zero expenses)....108000 dollar year...leaving aside the SOD sale...only with sub you need near 400000 download...not even yuri in the first year with zero competition manage to do this....right now you need a 1000 download month. starting from scratches it'0s impossible. the search engine are so *removed coarse language* up you really need time to see files, there is 100 million file and growing..thousand of contributor at the door.
you can live off photography but in many field diversifying and with talents and creativity. but microsotck is really over. it can be a good side revenue as in my case. rely only in micro it's impossible apart living in some country like ukraine russia poland or thailand...with cheap cost of production and plenty of models available for penny. in western world forget.


« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2017, 08:59 »
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im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..


5000 dollar month? good luck.

Lol if you gonna do this as a full time job you have to earn that money otherwise its not more than a hobby.
I have some friends making 8-13 grand/mont.

micro stock is a hobby. for some 100 contributor maybe a job but mostly is made of amateur or hobbyist. the quality reflects this and it will be always worst cause nobody pro will invest money in a losing game.

« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2017, 09:53 »
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... it can be a good side revenue as in my case. rely only in micro it's impossible apart living in some country like ukraine russia poland or thailand...with cheap cost of production and plenty of models available for penny. in western world forget.

 ;D Lol... Tell me, please, what cost of living in Poland do you expect to make, I mean normal living? Base costs, not including models or travel tickets... How many $ would be enough for you, let's say in Warsaw?

« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2017, 10:50 »
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... it can be a good side revenue as in my case. rely only in micro it's impossible apart living in some country like ukraine russia poland or thailand...with cheap cost of production and plenty of models available for penny. in western world forget.

 ;D Lol... Tell me, please, what cost of living in Poland do you expect to make, I mean normal living? Base costs, not including models or travel tickets... How many $ would be enough for you, let's say in Warsaw?

cheap if you come from western world. or you think that polish photographer like to shoot much more than western....i travel as photographer...i slept in krakow one months in a modern apartment paying 22 euro day for example...food is dirty cheap...try to sleep in a modern apartment in paris...or rent a studio in warsaw and in paris.
i not even talk about ukraine and some part of russia.
you know the girl who clean my grandma apartment is from poland....and there are thousand...casue in poland they earn much much less. poland is not only warsaw, and many micro come from smaller cities.

« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2017, 10:52 »
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... it can be a good side revenue as in my case. rely only in micro it's impossible apart living in some country like ukraine russia poland or thailand...with cheap cost of production and plenty of models available for penny. in western world forget.

 ;D Lol... Tell me, please, what cost of living in Poland do you expect to make, I mean normal living? Base costs, not including models or travel tickets... How many $ would be enough for you, let's say in Warsaw?

in poland with 1000 euro you can live a good life...in france you don-t go out of home.
polish girl like 99% of eastern europe love being photographed so it-s pretty easy to find good people for lifestyle shot free or for cheap money. renting a studio in warsaw is cheap, in milan is 10 times more for example. i don-t even speak about cost of living. i go often in poland and i feel a king compared to where i live where a beefsteak cost 30 euro for example.

« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2017, 10:58 »
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in poland with 1000 euro you can live a good life...

Good luck! Looks like you have no idea about the reality.
And to clarify - I come from a small town, now live in Warsaw for over 15 years... Please, don't tell me it's cheap and don't even compare with Ukraine. With full respect for my friends from that country.

« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2017, 11:02 »
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in poland with 1000 euro you can live a good life...

Good luck! Looks like you have no idea about the reality.
And to clarify - I come from a small town, now live in Warsaw for over 15 years... Please, don't tell me it's cheap and don't even compare with Ukraine. With full respect for my friends from that country.

is super cheap compared to europe...i don't know why u got upset...if you find expensive poland sweet don't go out your country you will starve...i travel poland many many times i know prices. is CHEAP.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Poland&city1=Ipswich&city2=Chrzanow

here you can compare any price for different cities. poland is half the cost of living of middle town in uk.
ukraine i said is much much cheaper...but poland is much cheaper than any city in europe. in italy where i live there are thousand of people from poland assisting unhealthy people at home...do you think they come in italy cause they earn good money in poland_one work in my home. and what she earn here is much much more than what she earned in poland.
with 1000 euro you can live normal life. if you say no you are dreaming cause medium salary in poland is lower.

« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2017, 11:07 »
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in poland with 1000 euro you can live a good life...

Good luck! Looks like you have no idea about the reality.
And to clarify - I come from a small town, now live in Warsaw for over 15 years... Please, don't tell me it's cheap and don't even compare with Ukraine. With full respect for my friends from that country.

is super cheap compared to europe...i don't know why u got upset...if you find expensive poland sweet don't go out your country you will starve...i travel poland many many times i know prices. is CHEAP.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Poland&city1=Ipswich&city2=Chrzanow

here you can compare any price for different cities. poland is half the cost of living of middle town in uk.
ukraine i said is much much cheaper...but poland is much cheaper than any city in europe. in italy where i live there are thousand of people from poland assisting unhealthy people at home...do you think they come in italy cause they earn good money in poland_one work in my home. and what she earn here is much much more than what she earned in poland.
with 1000 euro you can live normal life. if you say no you are dreaming cause medium salary in poland is lower.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Poland&city1=London&city2=Warsaw

You would need around 1,782.09 (8,884.99zł) in Warsaw to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 4,500.00 in London (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare cost of living. This assumes net earnings (after income tax). You can change the amount in this calculation.

and we are talking about a good style of life, going out often restaurant and all.

You would need around 1,233.11 (40,814.27₴) in Kiev to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 4,500.00 in London (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare cost of living. This assumes net earnings (after income tax). You can change the amount in this calculation.

this is for kiev...consider that i spent a lot of time in kiev i tell you that with 1300 pound you live a very good life compared to london.

3 4 times less cost of living...include that in poland and ukraine taxes are much lower...in kiev is 18% to 23 %....in italy much more than 50% sometimes for high income....and you see how microastock is sustainable only in less rich country.

« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2017, 11:25 »
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The numbers in this thread with regards to earnings and number of people doing it full time are way off.

« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2017, 12:03 »
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The numbers in this thread with regards to earnings and number of people doing it full time are way off.

sure they are much more...a lot of people eran net 5000..i doubt.

« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2017, 13:18 »
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The numbers in this thread with regards to earnings and number of people doing it full time are way off.

sure they are much more...a lot of people eran net 5000..i doubt.
Well I don't think I am in the top 200 and make more than that profit. So there's that.


« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2017, 13:20 »
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The numbers in this thread with regards to earnings and number of people doing it full time are way off.

sure they are much more...a lot of people eran net 5000..i doubt.
Well I don't think I am in the top 200 and make more than that profit. So there's that.

you make more than 5000 dollar net profit every month.ok.

« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2017, 13:21 »
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The numbers in this thread with regards to earnings and number of people doing it full time are way off.

sure they are much more...a lot of people eran net 5000..i doubt.
Well I don't think I am in the top 200 and make more than that profit. So there's that.

you make more than 5000 dollar net profit every month.ok.

strange i read you always complaining now you make more than 60k net..year. sure.

« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2017, 13:22 »
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The numbers in this thread with regards to earnings and number of people doing it full time are way off.

sure they are much more...a lot of people eran net 5000..i doubt.
Well I don't think I am in the top 200 and make more than that profit. So there's that.

you make more than 5000 dollar net profit every month.ok.

strange i read you always complaining now you make more than 60k net..year. sure.
I make more than double that. Doesn't mean I have to like being shafted by the agencies.

« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2017, 13:29 »
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The numbers in this thread with regards to earnings and number of people doing it full time are way off.

sure they are much more...a lot of people eran net 5000..i doubt.
Well I don't think I am in the top 200 and make more than that profit. So there's that.

you make more than 5000 dollar net profit every month.ok.

strange i read you always complaining now you make more than 60k net..year. sure.
I make more than double that. Doesn't mean I have to like being shafted by the agencies.

number of files?

« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2017, 13:30 »
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The numbers in this thread with regards to earnings and number of people doing it full time are way off.

sure they are much more...a lot of people eran net 5000..i doubt.
Well I don't think I am in the top 200 and make more than that profit. So there's that.

you make more than 5000 dollar net profit every month.ok.

strange i read you always complaining now you make more than 60k net..year. sure.
I make more than double that. Doesn't mean I have to like being shafted by the agencies.

so u are making what,...200000 dollar year sales?

« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2017, 13:33 »
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He makes $1 for every time you quote, double quote, and triple quote. So I guess he's a billionaire.

« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2017, 13:36 »
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He makes $1 for every time you quote, double quote, and triple quote. So I guess he's a billionaire.
hahaha yes...he makes 200000 in a decreasing industry and still complain...u imagine...even yuri arcurs is facing hard time...

« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2017, 13:43 »
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You need to work on your math skills.

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« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2017, 15:01 »
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people tend to exaggerate, especially men, the size of their income and we know what the other one is but this is a PG rated site thus I cannot say ... ;)


« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2017, 15:40 »
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people tend to exaggerate, especially men, the size of their income and we know what the other one is but this is a PG rated site thus I cannot say ... ;)
I don't take anything anyone says here about their income seriously....no disrespect to anyone in particular but theres a log of trash being talked..


« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2017, 15:42 »
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What would be the purpose of lying about your income on an anonymous forum?

I think it's more likely that people who don't sell that much don't want to face the reality that other people are in fact doing much better in the same business. It's not as comforting as "oh well, everyone's having a hard time, so it's not my fault"...

« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2017, 15:58 »
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What would be the purpose of lying about your income on an anonymous forum?

I think it's more likely that people who don't sell that much don't want to face the reality that other people are in fact doing much better in the same business. It's not as comforting as "oh well, everyone's having a hard time, so it's not my fault"...
I don't know but I do know non-existent people have been taken off the site who claimed 1,000,000 sales on SS. Its usually the same people who talk about their income who complain of sales doing badly in recent times. What people say may well be true I'm neutral on the subject but as I have no idea who they are I don't take it as gospel.

« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2017, 15:59 »
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I don't know why people lie about it but they do. I wouldn't necessarily believe me either. Doesn't really matter. I would certainly check someone's basic math and knowledge of how revenue and profit works before taking them too seriously. I would also compare what they are saying about the industry with my own figures to see if there is any possibility that it makes sense.

« Reply #80 on: March 06, 2017, 16:08 »
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I don't know why people lie about it but they do. I wouldn't necessarily believe me either. Doesn't really matter. I would certainly check someone's basic math and knowledge of how revenue and profit works before taking them too seriously. I would also compare what they are saying about the industry with my own figures to see if there is any possibility that it makes sense.

Math is easy...

U said double net income of 5000 dollar...is 5000*2=10000
Taxes: where i live and most of western country u pay for this kind of earning from 40% up...so to have a net of 10 u need a gross of at least 17-18... Maybe u live in subsaharian country and pay nothing of taxes.

« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2017, 16:23 »
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I realize you're talking about living well off of little money in many posts, but in general, when it comes to talking about income here it makes little sense to compare figures after tax since everyone lives in different countries.

When numbers are thrown around, it's what we get from the stock sites into our payment provider accounts. I don't care what you paid your mom's friend to model or what the tax rates in your particular country are. I care about how big the payouts are.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 16:26 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2017, 16:32 »
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Math is easy...

U said double net income of 5000 dollar...is 5000*2=10000
Taxes: where i live and most of western country u pay for this kind of earning from 40% up...so to have a net of 10 u need a gross of at least 17-18... Maybe u live in subsaharian country and pay nothing of taxes.
:-X nevermind. Keep doing what you're doing.

« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2017, 16:41 »
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I realize you're talking about living well off of little money in many posts, but in general, when it comes to talking about income here it makes little sense to compare figures after tax since everyone lives in different countries.

When numbers are thrown around, it's what we get from the stock sites into our payment provider accounts. I don't care what you paid your mom's friend to model or what the tax rates in your particular country are. I care about how big the payouts are.

u are right. i just answered this guy. but no problems everybody is right...happiness!!

« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2017, 16:42 »
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Math is easy...

U said double net income of 5000 dollar...is 5000*2=10000
Taxes: where i live and most of western country u pay for this kind of earning from 40% up...so to have a net of 10 u need a gross of at least 17-18... Maybe u live in subsaharian country and pay nothing of taxes.
:-X nevermind. Keep doing what you're doing.

u to:) no problem. but my math was correct:))

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2017, 18:08 »
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I realize you're talking about living well off of little money in many posts, but in general, when it comes to talking about income here it makes little sense to compare figures after tax since everyone lives in different countries.

When numbers are thrown around, it's what we get from the stock sites into our payment provider accounts. I don't care what you paid your mom's friend to model or what the tax rates in your particular country are. I care about how big the payouts are.

Payouts are pretty irrelevant if you don't consider expenses, at least in terms of particular expenses used in making the images.

« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2017, 18:32 »
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If you're willing to live in a hut on the beach in a third world/ developing country eating just rice and a few veggies, then, yes there is a living to be made from microstock alone


« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2017, 18:57 »
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If you're willing to live in a hut on the beach in a third world/ developing country eating just rice and a few veggies, then, yes there is a living to be made from microstock alone

I like beaches and I'm vegetarian.  Does the hut has fiber speed internet? 

Photodune Reject

« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2017, 19:14 »
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If you're willing to live in a hut on the beach in a third world/ developing country eating just rice and a few veggies, then, yes there is a living to be made from microstock alone

Heck, even with my good paying day job (techie) and my microstock business I live like that on West coast of USA  :(


« Reply #89 on: March 07, 2017, 03:14 »
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Payouts are pretty irrelevant if you don't consider expenses, at least in terms of particular expenses used in making the images.

Not when I hear numbers from other contributors and want to see how much a particular portfolio brings in. It's all just being curious, not deciding whether it's worth copying their pictures and figuring out the cost to do so...

Cost will always be very different. Many of the best images in the world are made using natural light and a free model, while other people feel they need $20,000 worth of studio gear.

« Reply #90 on: March 07, 2017, 03:21 »
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Payouts are pretty irrelevant if you don't consider expenses, at least in terms of particular expenses used in making the images.

Not when I hear numbers from other contributors and want to see how much a particular portfolio brings in. It's all just being curious, not deciding whether it's worth copying their pictures and figuring out the cost to do so...

Cost will always be very different. Many of the best images in the world are made using natural light and a free model, while other people feel they need $20,000 worth of studio gear.
Yes its one piece of the jigsaw if you can get a peek of the port that produced it.

« Reply #91 on: March 08, 2017, 01:10 »
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A dollar per image in one year is pretty close that I am getting with 403 files on the Shutterstock

« Reply #92 on: March 09, 2017, 23:02 »
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You can make a living doing pretty much anything, if you're willing to put the work in.

This business is the same as any other business. There's money, you can have some money, and how much money depends on how much effort you put into it.

« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2017, 03:22 »
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You can make a living doing pretty much anything, if you're willing to put the work in.

This business is the same as any other business. There's money, you can have some money, and how much money depends on how much effort you put into it.
Exactly. There's Pablo Escobar and there's most drug dealers living in their mother's basement.


 

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