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Title: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 10, 2017, 17:58
Tom (Old Sheriff) has asked me to start this thread. He's currently taking a break from this forum but I trust he'll be back soon as most us miss him lol

These are his top tips:


1.           Never be emotionally attached to an image

2.           Learn what the buyers want

3.           Being willing to change your style

4.           Work long hours

5.           Expect few sales

6.           Don’t spend too much time on MSG or other forums

7.           Never stop learning how to better process images/videos

8.           Don’t let others determine your fate

9.           Find a mentor

10.        Buy a Microstock book and read it from front to back cover

11.        Study the most popular images

12.        Take your time correctly labeling and keywording images

13.        Never fight rejections

14.        Laugh a lot

15.        Drink good beer or wine while processing images

16.        Listen to good music while processing

17.        Take days off- spending with family or friends

18.        Don’t quit your day time job

19.        Don’t try to analyze this business

20.        Learn how to correctly compose an image

21.        Learn lighting inside and out

22.        Watch free on-line videos on Processing, lighting

23.         Ask for opinions – help

24.        Stay professional

25.        Never get cocky

26.        Try new things- get out of your comfort zone

27.        Set one day each week for pure production

28.        Know all your International and National holidays

29.        Submit three months prior to each special season

30.        Get at least 7 hours sleep each night

31.        Take your time when processing images. Quality must be very high.

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32. Never listen to Michelle
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 10, 2017, 18:05
Am I the "Michelle" in question?
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 10, 2017, 18:07
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Am I the "Michelle" in question?

I have no idea, I'm just the messenger  :D
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: ShadySue on November 10, 2017, 18:27
Who is Old Sheriff? I can't find any member with that name, or OldSheriff.
Nor any posts here by Googling.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 10, 2017, 18:29
It's Brasilnut's way of making fun of me while blaming a nonexistent person. A whole thread dedicated to it. How nice.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 10, 2017, 18:30
Tom (Old Sheriff) has asked me to start this thread. He's currently taking a break from this forum but I trust he'll be back soon as most us miss him lol

These are his top tips:


1.           Never be emotionally attached to an image

2.           Learn what the buyers want

3.           Being willing to change your style

4.           Work long hours

5.           Expect few sales

6.           Don’t spend too much time on MSG or other forums

7.           Never stop learning how to better process images/videos

8.           Don’t let others determine your fate

9.           Find a mentor

10.        Buy a Microstock book and read it from front to back cover

11.        Study the most popular images

12.        Take your time correctly labeling and keywording images

13.        Never fight rejections

14.        Laugh a lot

15.        Drink good beer or wine while processing images

16.        Listen to good music while processing

17.        Take days off- spending with family or friends

18.        Don’t quit your day time job

19.        Don’t try to analyze this business

20.        Learn how to correctly compose an image

21.        Learn lighting inside and out

22.        Watch free on-line videos on Processing, lighting

23.         Ask for opinions – help

24.        Stay professional

25.        Never get cocky

26.        Try new things- get out of your comfort zone

27.        Set one day each week for pure production

28.        Know all your International and National holidays

29.        Submit three months prior to each special season

30.        Get at least 7 hours sleep each night

31.        Take your time when processing images. Quality must be very high.

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32. Never listen to Michelle

Just in case you try to delete it.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 10, 2017, 18:40
Ladies,

I'm not making this man up. He was a regular but is taking a break - I forgot his alias but as soon as I have it I'll post it. His nickname was "outoftheblue" and had a previous nickname which I forgot. Account is now disabled. 

I think it's a great list, nevertheless. Feel free to add some tips for newbies.

As for the Michelle comment, he apologises as he meant it as a joke. I didn't delete it..only put a strikethrough.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: ShadySue on November 10, 2017, 19:09
Ladies,

I'm not making this man up. He was a regular but is taking a break
Seems weird to be 'taking a break' but get someone else to make an extensive post on his behalf.
A bit like chap-door-run, leaving the dopey kid in the firing line.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: cthoman on November 10, 2017, 19:21
Ladies,

I'm not making this man up. He was a regular but is taking a break
Seems weird to be 'taking a break' but get someone else to make an extensive post on his behalf.
A bit like chap-door-run, leaving the dopey kid in the firing line.

I need to figure out how to take a break and have somebody else still do my work.  ;D
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: cathyslife on November 11, 2017, 03:53
I think #10 is particularly funny. Not really.  ::)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Pauws99 on November 11, 2017, 03:54
I think #10 is particularly funny. Not really.  ::)
Specially in the light of #19  ???
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: cathyslife on November 11, 2017, 04:03
Yeah, and #32 directly conflicts with what #24 and 25 mean.  ::)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 11, 2017, 04:43
I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 11, 2017, 05:01
I should write a book. ;)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 11, 2017, 05:35
I should write a book. ;)
Those that can do etc.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 11, 2017, 06:27
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I should write a book. ;)

Go for it!  ;)

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Anybody have any top tips to add to the list for newbies?
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: niktol on November 11, 2017, 06:32

Anybody have any top tips to add to the list for newbies?
Sure

33. Don't give free tips  ;)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 11, 2017, 07:31

Anybody have any top tips to add to the list for newbies?
Sure

33. Don't give free tips  ;)
Yup, there it is. Anyone who knows enough to be successful in this or any other business isn't going to tell their competitors anything that gives away an advantage. The only useful tips I've got I've gleamed from people like yuri when they accidentally let slip something about workflow or similar when actually just trying to promote themselves. Even then you have to draw conclusions from partial information.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: YadaYadaYada on November 11, 2017, 22:02
I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

She's  a success? I wouldn't know financials, but from the complaining about lack of sales, downward income, dropping earnings, plus other surveys motivated by attempts at intimidating agencies, plus obvious dissatisfaction, that a success? I'd think someone who's a success would actually be happy instead of always finding things wrong?

I disagree with  19. Don’t try to analyze this business. We can analyze as we wish, use math and just don't over analyze. Don't find conspiracies or patterns where there are none, like people do about sales times or regions or up and down swings in downloads. The natural swings will be up and down, without outside interference, not up and up. This whole market is unreliable and unpredictable, don't have unrealistic expectations based on some random good days.

33. The agency is not your enemy. But they aren't your friend either.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 12, 2017, 02:37
Successful people are never satisfied. That's how they get to be successful.  :)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 12, 2017, 06:42
I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

She's  a success? I wouldn't know financials, but from the complaining about lack of sales, downward income, dropping earnings, plus other surveys motivated by attempts at intimidating agencies, plus obvious dissatisfaction, that a success? I'd think someone who's a success would actually be happy instead of always finding things wrong?

I disagree with  19. Don’t try to analyze this business. We can analyze as we wish, use math and just don't over analyze. Don't find conspiracies or patterns where there are none, like people do about sales times or regions or up and down swings in downloads. The natural swings will be up and down, without outside interference, not up and up. This whole market is unreliable and unpredictable, don't have unrealistic expectations based on some random good days.

33. The agency is not your enemy. But they aren't your friend either.

Why don't you tell us who you are, and we can compare successes? I'm assuming since you're on the SS forums you're not McBurney, but you sure sound like him.

Never mind, figured it out.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 12, 2017, 07:30
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I disagree with  19. Don’t try to analyze this business. We can analyze as we wish, use math and just don't over analyze.

I agree. I think that's what he meant, not to over-analyze. Best to use energies positively to create new content. 

I'll add that we all need to be aware of which agencies are more likely to bring us the most $ for our style. Also we need to be aware of which are Agencies may be struggling financially and threaten to lower their fees and/or broaden RF licensing rights to customers. Just look at Dreamstime's latest "Royalty Free Limit Free" marketing scheme.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Zero Talent on November 12, 2017, 11:07
I should write a book. ;)

No need. We all know that:

"Those who can't do, teach".

I add:
Those who can't teach, write books  ;D

Simplified: those who can't do microstock, write books about microstock.  :P
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brightontl on November 12, 2017, 11:08

Anybody have any top tips to add to the list for newbies?
Sure

33. Don't give free tips  ;)
Yup, there it is. Anyone who knows enough to be successful in this or any other business isn't going to tell their competitors anything that gives away an advantage. The only useful tips I've got I've gleamed from people like yuri when they accidentally let slip something about workflow or similar when actually just trying to promote themselves. Even then you have to draw conclusions from partial information.
They say that during the gold rush, the people who really made good money were not the ones looking for gold, but the ones
 selling them the tools :-)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 12, 2017, 11:34
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Simplified: those who can't do microstock, write books about microstock.  :P

I don't need to do only Microstock or write books.

I'm a finalist for "Travel Photographer of the Year 2017" - image attached.

Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: memakephoto on November 12, 2017, 12:17
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Simplified: those who can't do microstock, write books about microstock.  :P

I don't need to do only Microstock or write books.

I'm a finalist for "Travel Photographer of the Year 2017" - image attached.

Where? Where are you a finalist for travel photographer of the year? I do an image search for that shot and I find it on Shutterstock and Fotolia but can't find any reference to it being a finalist anywhere.

You submit a shot to microstock when it's up for travel photographer of the year?
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Zero Talent on November 12, 2017, 12:27
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Simplified: those who can't do microstock, write books about microstock.  :P

I don't need to do only Microstock or write books.

I'm a finalist for "Travel Photographer of the Year 2017" - image attached.


Most of us don't do just microstock or write books. You got that right.

That image a good catch, indeed. The beauty if being in the right place at the right time.

Nevertheless, since you posted it, let me wonder: why it is much brighter around the camel than where the sun's reflection should be?
I guess we all have some more learning to do about how to boost the shadows of a silhouette, without affecting the whole luminosity range and without making it look like the sun was added in post.

Maybe something you will write about in your next book?  ;D
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: ShadySue on November 12, 2017, 12:41
I'd think someone who's a success would actually be happy instead of always finding things wrong?
Well, no: if someone sees that agencies are doing things wrong, or wrong things, why would they be happy? - they can see the train crash coming.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 12, 2017, 12:45
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I find it on Shutterstock and Fotolia but can't find any reference to it being a finalist anywhere.


It's on Alamy as RM, also on FAA.

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Where are you a finalist for travel photographer of the year?


http://www.tpoty.com/judging/finalists2017 (http://www.tpoty.com/judging/finalists2017)

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Nevertheless, since you posted it, let me wonder: why it is much brighter around the camel than where the sun's reflection should be?
I guess we all have some more learning to do about how to boost the shadows of a silhouette, without affecting the whole luminosity range and without making it look like the sun was added in post.


Thanks for your input :)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: memakephoto on November 12, 2017, 13:00
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I find it on Shutterstock and Fotolia but can't find any reference to it being a finalist anywhere.


It's on Alamy as RM, also on FAA.

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Where are you a finalist for travel photographer of the year?


[url]http://www.tpoty.com/judging/finalists2017[/url] ([url]http://www.tpoty.com/judging/finalists2017[/url])


Good for you. I thought it might have been for something else like National Geographic.

Not sure I would submit anywhere, even Alamy, when it's in a contest. The contest organizers retain the right to reproduce the image which may not be good if a buyer is looking for image exclusivity.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: ShadySue on November 12, 2017, 13:21

Not sure I would submit anywhere, even Alamy, when it's in a contest. The contest organizers retain the right to reproduce the image which may not be good if a buyer is looking for image exclusivity.
But that very seldom happens on Alamy, and if they do, just tell them where it has been used, they may then decline (which they usually seem to do anyway or they might think it's kudos.

I'm suprised brasilnut put it on the micros, but it's his ball.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 12, 2017, 13:39
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I'm suprised brasilnut put it on the micros, but it's his ball.

I'd never put that image (or similars) at micros.

I have made this sort of mistake in the past though, but they're no longer on there.

Dec 16 is when they'll decide on the winners :)

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Not sure I would submit anywhere, even Alamy, when it's in a contest. The contest organizers retain the right to reproduce the image which may not be good if a buyer is looking for image exclusivity.

TPOTY, reproduction rights & your copyright: TPOTY does not make any claim whatsoever on the copyright of YOUR images. The copyright will, at all times, be respected by TPOTY and retained by the photographer. Where an image or images are reproduced by TPOTY, the photographer will be credited. The organisers and sponsors reserve the right to free reproduction and exhibition of entered images in all media, but only in connection with these awards. A selection of the winning and other best images may be chosen for reproduction in TPOTY portfolio books, exhibition catalogue and TPOTY app. For compilation and retrospective books, TPOTY will seek the permission and agreement from photographers before inclusion of any image entered more than four years previously. We do not claim unlimited licence for TPOTY or its sponsors to reproduce your images outside of the terms set out above. Images included in all other TPOTY Collection of merchandise (cards, calendars, prints etc.) will subject to separate agreement with the photographer and a royalty will be paid. Where image reproduction is unrelated to the awards then permission and a fee will be agreed with the photographer in advance.

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Reasonable terms above including in regards to royalties, although no mention of how much it would be (I suppose I would have to negotiate).
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: ShadySue on November 12, 2017, 14:06
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I'm suprised brasilnut put it on the micros, but it's his ball.
I'd never put that image (or similars) at micros.
When memakephoto said he could find the image on SS and Ft, I just took it at face value.
Sorry, my fault for not checking.  :-[
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 12, 2017, 14:09
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When memakephoto said he could find the image on SS and Ft, I just took it at face value.
Sorry, my fault for not checking.  :-[

No worries  :D
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 12, 2017, 14:22
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I'm suprised brasilnut put it on the micros, but it's his ball.
I'd never put that image (or similars) at micros.
When memakephoto said he could find the image on SS and Ft, I just took it at face value.
Sorry, my fault for not checking.  :-[

According to Tineye it was on SS and FT, but he removed it.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Chichikov on November 12, 2017, 15:16
I should write a book. ;)

No need. We all know that:

"Those who can't do, teach".

I add:
Those who can't teach, write books  ;D

Simplified: those who can't do microstock, write books about microstock.  :P

Those who can't write books read them :)

(In short: those who can't do microstock, read books about microstock)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: namussi on November 13, 2017, 01:34
Successful people are never satisfied. That's how they get to be successful.  :)

Being permanently unsatisfied doesn't sound like much of a success to me :-)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: ShadySue on November 13, 2017, 04:45
Successful people are never satisfied. That's how they get to be successful.  :)

Being permanently unsatisfied doesn't sound like much of a success to me :-)
Ah, so now we're debating what success means. It's certainly a very subjective* term, but you're equating it with contentment, by which definition those who seem super-happy to have a few 25c sales are the most successful.
*In fact, it's so subjective that each us can only be successful, or not, by our own standards.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 13, 2017, 11:17
Laurin Rinder gave me the attached quote about motivation and (personal) success in the Arts. He told me that it was handed down to him by his mentor/Art teacher at UCLA 35 years ago and he gives a copy to all his students.

The quote was written in 1939 By Martha Graham, the most famous choreographer ever to Agnes B Demille, who was also a huge supporter of the Arts.

I believe those words are still relevant today.

Thanks Laurin for sharing this with me.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Pauws99 on November 13, 2017, 11:59
Successful people are never satisfied. That's how they get to be successful.  :)

Being permanently unsatisfied doesn't sound like much of a success to me :-)
Ah, so now we're debating what success means. It's certainly a very subjective* term, but you're equating it with contentment, by which definition those who seem super-happy to have a few 25c sales are the most successful.
*In fact, it's so subjective that each us can only be successful, or not, by our own standards.
"successful" as what....an artist, a business person, a human being? One often  comes at the expense of the others.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 13, 2017, 12:38
I just meant successful at microstock (or business in general). I'm not here to pry into people's personal lives or make assumptions about it.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: DallasP on November 13, 2017, 15:05
I just meant successful at microstock (or business in general). I'm not here to pry into people's personal lives or make assumptions about it.

Huh ... that's the most pleasant thing that I've read in this forum for a few months. Get this man a beer.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Sheriff on November 13, 2017, 19:29
I just meant successful at microstock (or business in general). I'm not here to pry into people's personal lives or make assumptions about it.

Huh ... that's the most pleasant thing that I've read in this forum for a few months. Get this man a beer.

I could use a beer right now  :)

Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: cathyslife on November 14, 2017, 07:11
I just meant successful at microstock (or business in general). I'm not here to pry into people's personal lives or make assumptions about it.

Huh ... that's the most pleasant thing that I've read in this forum for a few months. Get this man a beer.

I could use a beer right now  :)

Oh good another anonymous poster with nothing to say, using a sheriffs badge to pretend he/she is in charge. Unless it is Leaf, which is ok, but I bet it's not. LOL.  ::)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: YadaYadaYada on November 14, 2017, 11:46
I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

She's  a success? I wouldn't know financials, but from the complaining about lack of sales, downward income, dropping earnings, plus other surveys motivated by attempts at intimidating agencies, plus obvious dissatisfaction, that a success? I'd think someone who's a success would actually be happy instead of always finding things wrong?

I disagree with  19. Don’t try to analyze this business. We can analyze as we wish, use math and just don't over analyze. Don't find conspiracies or patterns where there are none, like people do about sales times or regions or up and down swings in downloads. The natural swings will be up and down, without outside interference, not up and up. This whole market is unreliable and unpredictable, don't have unrealistic expectations based on some random good days.

33. The agency is not your enemy. But they aren't your friend either.

Why don't you tell us who you are, and we can compare successes? I'm assuming since you're on the SS forums you're not McBurney, but you sure sound like him.

Never mind, figured it out.

I didn't bring that up, I was answering this, and asking. I guess it's wrong to ask a question and always get slapped by some unhappy person, who never stops complaining how bad it is, but then someone else says that's success? It is? I'd say if I'm happy doing this kind of work, that's a measure of success.

I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

I say make the forum without anonymous people I'd be all for that. Lets here from people their opinion of that? Or stop blasting anonymous people, just because they disagree with you or you disagree with them, as a way to discredit anything they write. More than half the people here are anonymous, are we all unable to post what we think because of that?

I thought the OP was posting a joke, now it's all flames and serious.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Uncle Pete on November 14, 2017, 11:52
Success doesn't make you happy Yada, they aren't the same things.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Sheriff on November 14, 2017, 11:58
Success doesn't make you happy Yada, they aren't the same things.

A good ole scotch makes me happy Uncle Pete!  :)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 14, 2017, 12:06
I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

She's  a success? I wouldn't know financials, but from the complaining about lack of sales, downward income, dropping earnings, plus other surveys motivated by attempts at intimidating agencies, plus obvious dissatisfaction, that a success? I'd think someone who's a success would actually be happy instead of always finding things wrong?

I disagree with  19. Don’t try to analyze this business. We can analyze as we wish, use math and just don't over analyze. Don't find conspiracies or patterns where there are none, like people do about sales times or regions or up and down swings in downloads. The natural swings will be up and down, without outside interference, not up and up. This whole market is unreliable and unpredictable, don't have unrealistic expectations based on some random good days.

33. The agency is not your enemy. But they aren't your friend either.

Why don't you tell us who you are, and we can compare successes? I'm assuming since you're on the SS forums you're not McBurney, but you sure sound like him.

Never mind, figured it out.

I didn't bring that up, I was answering this, and asking. I guess it's wrong to ask a question and always get slapped by some unhappy person, who never stops complaining how bad it is, but then someone else says that's success? It is? I'd say if I'm happy doing this kind of work, that's a measure of success.

I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

I say make the forum without anonymous people I'd be all for that. Lets here from people their opinion of that? Or stop blasting anonymous people, just because they disagree with you or you disagree with them, as a way to discredit anything they write. More than half the people here are anonymous, are we all unable to post what we think because of that?

I thought the OP was posting a joke, now it's all flames and serious.

You're not anonymous. And starting a thread with a joke about a specific person isn't particularly funny.

You've been complaining on this forum since 2009. You have a blog complaining about Getty. And you started a thread here complaining about what I'd been saying on the SS forums. I don't believe I've ever started a thread about you...have I?

Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: YadaYadaYada on November 14, 2017, 12:15
I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

She's  a success? I wouldn't know financials, but from the complaining about lack of sales, downward income, dropping earnings, plus other surveys motivated by attempts at intimidating agencies, plus obvious dissatisfaction, that a success? I'd think someone who's a success would actually be happy instead of always finding things wrong?

I disagree with  19. Don’t try to analyze this business. We can analyze as we wish, use math and just don't over analyze. Don't find conspiracies or patterns where there are none, like people do about sales times or regions or up and down swings in downloads. The natural swings will be up and down, without outside interference, not up and up. This whole market is unreliable and unpredictable, don't have unrealistic expectations based on some random good days.

33. The agency is not your enemy. But they aren't your friend either.

Why don't you tell us who you are, and we can compare successes? I'm assuming since you're on the SS forums you're not McBurney, but you sure sound like him.

Never mind, figured it out.

I didn't bring that up, I was answering this, and asking. I guess it's wrong to ask a question and always get slapped by some unhappy person, who never stops complaining how bad it is, but then someone else says that's success? It is? I'd say if I'm happy doing this kind of work, that's a measure of success.

I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

I say make the forum without anonymous people I'd be all for that. Lets here from people their opinion of that? Or stop blasting anonymous people, just because they disagree with you or you disagree with them, as a way to discredit anything they write. More than half the people here are anonymous, are we all unable to post what we think because of that?

I thought the OP was posting a joke, now it's all flames and serious.

You're not anonymous. And starting a thread with a joke about a specific person isn't particularly funny.

You've been complaining on this forum since 2009. You have a blog complaining about Getty. And you started a thread here complaining about what I'd been saying on the SS forums. I don't believe I've ever started a thread about you...have I?

Whatever?
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: cathyslife on November 14, 2017, 12:16
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Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: YadaYadaYada on November 14, 2017, 12:25
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Simplified: those who can't do microstock, write books about microstock.  :P

I don't need to do only Microstock or write books.

I'm a finalist for "Travel Photographer of the Year 2017" - image attached.

Nice, hope you win.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 14, 2017, 14:04
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. Nice, hope you win.   

Thanks. I don't like to boast, but I had to here in my defence to the cliche of "those who can't do, teach" statement directly at me and fellow authors.

At least we now have the Sheriff to lay down the law  ;)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Sheriff on November 14, 2017, 14:10
In the end, we want to sell more! Time to kill this topic and move on to creating better images...
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 14, 2017, 14:25
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. Nice, hope you win.   

Thanks. I don't like to boast, but I had to here in my defence to the cliche of "those who can't do, teach" statement directly at me and fellow authors.


When you start a thread making fun of somebody, other people might make fun of you.

BTW, how'd you get permission to use that photo of Oringer in your book? Or is it available to license somewhere?
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 14, 2017, 14:51
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BTW, how'd you get permission to use that photo of Oringer in your book? Or is it available to license somewhere?

Michelle, my dear, let's create beauty and inspire others, not get into petty lovers' quarrels.  :-*

But seriously now, Sheriff and I both apologise for that initial thread. I hope you accept it and we can move on.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: PhotoBomb on November 14, 2017, 15:58
And just 'like that' he's gone again. The next alias will be #9 by my count.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 14, 2017, 16:52
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And just 'like that' he's gone again. The next alias will be #9 by my count.

Looks like someone shot the Sheriff.  :-\
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: I Shot the Sheriff on November 14, 2017, 17:50
You think?
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: noodle on November 14, 2017, 18:06
But they didnt shoot the deputy,...
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: ShadySue on November 14, 2017, 18:11
So it was a chap-door-run all along.
No surprise there.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: DallasP on November 14, 2017, 19:54
I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

She's  a success? I wouldn't know financials, but from the complaining about lack of sales, downward income, dropping earnings, plus other surveys motivated by attempts at intimidating agencies, plus obvious dissatisfaction, that a success? I'd think someone who's a success would actually be happy instead of always finding things wrong?

I disagree with  19. Don’t try to analyze this business. We can analyze as we wish, use math and just don't over analyze. Don't find conspiracies or patterns where there are none, like people do about sales times or regions or up and down swings in downloads. The natural swings will be up and down, without outside interference, not up and up. This whole market is unreliable and unpredictable, don't have unrealistic expectations based on some random good days.

33. The agency is not your enemy. But they aren't your friend either.

Why don't you tell us who you are, and we can compare successes? I'm assuming since you're on the SS forums you're not McBurney, but you sure sound like him.

Never mind, figured it out.

I didn't bring that up, I was answering this, and asking. I guess it's wrong to ask a question and always get slapped by some unhappy person, who never stops complaining how bad it is, but then someone else says that's success? It is? I'd say if I'm happy doing this kind of work, that's a measure of success.

I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

I say make the forum without anonymous people I'd be all for that. Lets here from people their opinion of that? Or stop blasting anonymous people, just because they disagree with you or you disagree with them, as a way to discredit anything they write. More than half the people here are anonymous, are we all unable to post what we think because of that?

I thought the OP was posting a joke, now it's all flames and serious.

You're not anonymous. And starting a thread with a joke about a specific person isn't particularly funny.

You've been complaining on this forum since 2009. You have a blog complaining about Getty. And you started a thread here complaining about what I'd been saying on the SS forums. I don't believe I've ever started a thread about you...have I?

I don't think it was specifically about you, it was meant as a joke I presume ... poking the fire. I do however think that it's just another ploy to promote his book and to stir up this forum with their pitchforks and all ... I think he singled you out because you do have a history of ... being honest and blunt.

Why don't we ditch this thread and start up a preliminary December 2017 thread?
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Zero Talent on November 15, 2017, 00:37
I do however think that it's just another ploy to promote his book and to stir up this forum with their pitchforks and all ...

Exactly!
Because those who can't do, write books about doing.  :P
And cliches are statistically correct, especially in his case, lol!
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 15, 2017, 00:57
To clarify my point I wasn't accusing anyone of not being able to take a nice photo. Maybe I should have said "those who aren't particularly successful at the microstock business seem to want to tell others how to become successful at it, in exchange for money, a lot more than people who are actually successful at it as a business". I thought "those who can do" was a bit catchier.

A lot of these books and services are targeted at making people successful at microstock in particular. If just being a good photographer was the objective there are already thousands if books/ youtube videos out there that would get the job done.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 15, 2017, 03:46
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Why don't we ditch this thread and start up a preliminary December 2017 thread?

I agree. Let's move on from this raucous thread (of which I take some of the blame).

You guys/gals are a lot of fun but there's much work to be done!

I bid you a good day.

Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 15, 2017, 04:56
I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

She's  a success? I wouldn't know financials, but from the complaining about lack of sales, downward income, dropping earnings, plus other surveys motivated by attempts at intimidating agencies, plus obvious dissatisfaction, that a success? I'd think someone who's a success would actually be happy instead of always finding things wrong?

I disagree with  19. Don’t try to analyze this business. We can analyze as we wish, use math and just don't over analyze. Don't find conspiracies or patterns where there are none, like people do about sales times or regions or up and down swings in downloads. The natural swings will be up and down, without outside interference, not up and up. This whole market is unreliable and unpredictable, don't have unrealistic expectations based on some random good days.

33. The agency is not your enemy. But they aren't your friend either.

Why don't you tell us who you are, and we can compare successes? I'm assuming since you're on the SS forums you're not McBurney, but you sure sound like him.

Never mind, figured it out.

I didn't bring that up, I was answering this, and asking. I guess it's wrong to ask a question and always get slapped by some unhappy person, who never stops complaining how bad it is, but then someone else says that's success? It is? I'd say if I'm happy doing this kind of work, that's a measure of success.

I would rather listen to someone who has demonstrably been very successful in this business, like michelle, than follow lists from anonymous forum posters no one even remembers. And don't get me started on books, classes and portfolio reviews from people who's performance has been pedestrian at best.

I say make the forum without anonymous people I'd be all for that. Lets here from people their opinion of that? Or stop blasting anonymous people, just because they disagree with you or you disagree with them, as a way to discredit anything they write. More than half the people here are anonymous, are we all unable to post what we think because of that?

I thought the OP was posting a joke, now it's all flames and serious.

You're not anonymous. And starting a thread with a joke about a specific person isn't particularly funny.

You've been complaining on this forum since 2009. You have a blog complaining about Getty. And you started a thread here complaining about what I'd been saying on the SS forums. I don't believe I've ever started a thread about you...have I?

I don't think it was specifically about you, it was meant as a joke I presume ... poking the fire. I do however think that it's just another ploy to promote his book and to stir up this forum with their pitchforks and all ... I think he singled you out because you do have a history of ... being honest and blunt.

Why don't we ditch this thread and start up a preliminary December 2017 thread?

Two threads were started about me specifically this week.

How many have been started about you specifically?
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 15, 2017, 05:02
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BTW, how'd you get permission to use that photo of Oringer in your book? Or is it available to license somewhere?

Michelle, my dear, let's create beauty and inspire others, not get into petty lovers' quarrels.  :-*

But seriously now, Sheriff and I both apologise for that initial thread. I hope you accept it and we can move on.

Tell me more about the copyright violations in your book. (I notice your "apology" only came after I pointed that out.)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 15, 2017, 06:17
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BTW, how'd you get permission to use that photo of Oringer in your book? Or is it available to license somewhere?

Michelle, my dear, let's create beauty and inspire others, not get into petty lovers' quarrels.  :-*

But seriously now, Sheriff and I both apologise for that initial thread. I hope you accept it and we can move on.

Tell me more about the copyright violations in your book. (I notice your "apology" only came after I pointed that out.)
There can't be any copyright violations in the book. The book is an expert guide on how to license your work successfully. That would have been the first thing the authors would have had pinned down. I haven't seen the book but can tell you now that they certainly wouldn't have implied an endorsement from one of the world's richest image licensing business people by including their photo without legally clearing it first. Move along.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Shelma1 on November 15, 2017, 06:32
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BTW, how'd you get permission to use that photo of Oringer in your book? Or is it available to license somewhere?

Michelle, my dear, let's create beauty and inspire others, not get into petty lovers' quarrels.  :-*

But seriously now, Sheriff and I both apologise for that initial thread. I hope you accept it and we can move on.

Tell me more about the copyright violations in your book. (I notice your "apology" only came after I pointed that out.)
There can't be any copyright violations in the book. The book is an expert guide on how to license your work successfully. That would have been the first thing the authors would have had pinned down. I haven't seen the book but can tell you now that they certainly wouldn't have implied an endorsement from one of the world's richest image licensing business people by including their photo without legally clearing it first. Move along.

I asked earlier whether he got permission. He wouldn't answer.

Expert guide...well...sure, if you say so. :D
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 15, 2017, 07:06
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Two threads were started about me specifically this week.

How many have been started about you specifically?

You know what's worse than being talked about? Not being talked about.

- Oscar Wilde
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: cathyslife on November 15, 2017, 07:36
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Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: cathyslife on November 15, 2017, 07:39


Thought you were moving on?  :D 
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brasilnut on November 15, 2017, 09:48
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Thought you were moving on?  :D

This is my home. How could I ever leave you ladies?  ;)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Zero Talent on November 15, 2017, 12:29
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BTW, how'd you get permission to use that photo of Oringer in your book? Or is it available to license somewhere?

Michelle, my dear, let's create beauty and inspire others, not get into petty lovers' quarrels.  :-*

But seriously now, Sheriff and I both apologise for that initial thread. I hope you accept it and we can move on.

Tell me more about the copyright violations in your book. (I notice your "apology" only came after I pointed that out.)
There can't be any copyright violations in the book. The book is an expert guide on how to license your work successfully. That would have been the first thing the authors would have had pinned down. I haven't seen the book but can tell you now that they certainly wouldn't have implied an endorsement from one of the world's richest image licensing business people by including their photo without legally clearing it first. Move along.

I asked earlier whether he got permission. He wouldn't answer.

Expert guide...well...sure, if you say so. :D

Expert? Come on! Someone who only makes some hundreds bucks a month on Shutterstock has a lot to learn and a lot more selling to do before earning the "expert" badge  ::)
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: I Shot the Sheriff on November 15, 2017, 12:35
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Thought you were moving on?  :D

This is my home. How could I ever leave you ladies?  ;)

Move along or the deputy gets it.
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 15, 2017, 13:15
I assume everyone knows I was being sarcastic...
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Brightontl on November 15, 2017, 15:26
Come on guys...
You are all being a bit tough on poor old Brasilnut.
I like him, he is a nice guy, only a bit naif sometimes
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: DallasP on November 15, 2017, 18:16
Two threads were started about me specifically this week.

How many have been started about you specifically?

None ...
Title: Re: Tom’s (Old Sheriff) Tips to being ‘Successful’ in the Microstock World
Post by: Mantis on November 17, 2017, 21:10
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