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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Newbie Discussion => Topic started by: mwp1969 on February 18, 2010, 11:43
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Who has had sales the new site Graphic Leftovers?
It appears they've been at it for about a year ...
Here is my referral link if you haven't already signed up.
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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I have 4 sales so far.
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=ivelin/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=ivelin/)
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I don't contribute there, but I looked darn hard for a logo graphic at Christmas time and came up short.
Do they give buyer referrals? If so, I'll make sure I clear my cookies and tag onto someone if I go shopping there again.
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I don't contribute there, but I looked darn hard for a logo graphic at Christmas time and came up short.
Do they give buyer referrals? If so, I'll make sure I clear my cookies and tag onto someone if I go shopping there again.
Pixart,
They do give buyer referrals as well. Thanks !
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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You can't buy stock graphics to use as a logo.
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Oops, thanks Klauts, you are very right - I looked it up and I had been to GL, but it was http://brandstack.com/logo-design/ (http://brandstack.com/logo-design/)where I was looking at logos. I guess I would have realized that next time I went to GL looking for logos!
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150 sales there so far. I'm happy with the site. :)
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mikemcd/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mikemcd/)
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12 so far
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My upload was quick and easy and had quick approvals. Now have 170 approved images in less then 48 hours of submitting there ...
I am now looking forward to my own sales there.
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
Mark
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55 sales in total, but just 1 in February. Things are slowing down for me over there
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55 sales in total, but just 1 in February. Things are slowing down for me over there
Same here. Guess a lot of contributors joining..
@Pixart
Yep, Brandstack is great!
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I just had my wife sign up at Graphic Leftovers as well. She specializes in vector maps that I would hope do well there ...
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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We've had a huge surge of illustrators and photographers uploading to GL in the past few weeks, which is awesome...but also could be one reason why some are seeing slower sales. The best thing to help boost the number of buyers on our site would be linking to GL from your own websites. Blog posts that link to your portfolio would definitely help out tremendously, especially in the eyes of search engines. We have a great referral program where you earn from sending buyers and sellers to the site, here are the details: http://graphicleftovers.com/referral_program/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/referral_program/)
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We've had a huge surge of illustrators and photographers uploading to GL in the past few weeks, which is awesome...but also could be one reason why some are seeing slower sales. The best thing to help boost the number of buyers on our site would be linking to GL from your own websites. Blog posts that link to your portfolio would definitely help out tremendously, especially in the eyes of search engines. We have a great referral program where you earn from sending buyers and sellers to the site, here are the details: [url]http://graphicleftovers.com/referral_program/[/url] ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/referral_program/[/url])
Well, I'd actually love to see your agency outmatch all of the rest, as you're giving the very best deal for contributors. I love those $5,2 sales. I don't have a website or a blog though.
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We love to keep you guys happy by offering the best selling (and buying) experience around. The only thing the competition has over us is size. Hopefully GL will keep growing fast because that means more money for all of us :)
@ThomasAmby - If you don't have a blog, we would be more than happy for our contributors to write articles for our site!
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We've had a huge surge of illustrators and photographers uploading to GL in the past few weeks, which is awesome...but also could be one reason why some are seeing slower sales. The best thing to help boost the number of buyers on our site would be linking to GL from your own websites. Blog posts that link to your portfolio would definitely help out tremendously, especially in the eyes of search engines. We have a great referral program where you earn from sending buyers and sellers to the site, here are the details: [url]http://graphicleftovers.com/referral_program/[/url] ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/referral_program/[/url])
My wife and I am looking forward to seeing some of these sales we've been hearing about ...
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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I hope you do see them Mark :)
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...The best thing to help boost the number of buyers on our site would be linking to GL from your own websites. Blog posts that link to your portfolio would definitely help out tremendously, especially in the eyes of search engine...
Consider it done (http://openpathdesign.com/blog/). Put a banner ad up there as well.
Got you on the homepage (http://www.openpathdesign.com) as well.
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I put banners and info !
http://www.squidoo.com/EARN_MONEY_WITH_YOUR_PHOTOS (http://www.squidoo.com/EARN_MONEY_WITH_YOUR_PHOTOS)
http://ivelinradkov.blogspot.com/ (http://ivelinradkov.blogspot.com/)
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Nice! Thanks for helping out, Ivelin and Mike :)
Also, a tip...if you need to link to your portfolio and include the referral link as well, our site still tracks your referrals...for example,
http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/mikemcd/ref=mikemcd/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/mikemcd/ref=mikemcd/) or http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/ivelin/ref=ivelin/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/ivelin/ref=ivelin/)
You can tack on your referral link onto any URL on the site, just add /ref=username/ to the end.
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Still wanting to see comments about actual sales which is what this particular Graphic Leftovers thread is about ...
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark Payne
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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Graphic Leftovers is a nice little find with regular sales (about the same level as fotolia for me).
Graphic Leftovers (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=nicemonkey/)
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First full day on GLO and first sale........2.60
Looking forward to more.
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I don't contribute there, but I looked darn hard for a logo graphic at Christmas time and came up short.
Do they give buyer referrals? If so, I'll make sure I clear my cookies and tag onto someone if I go shopping there again.
I think StockLogos.com are selling logos.
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I started uploading to GraphicLeftovers last November/December and had so far 5 sales.
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=hlehnerer/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=hlehnerer/)
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I started uploading to GraphicLeftovers last November/December and had so far 5 sales.
[url]http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=hlehnerer/[/url] ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=hlehnerer/[/url])
If I many ask where did you have images priced for those sales?
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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Five sales and one referral sale in about 2 weeks. That will probably go down now more people are uploading there but that might bring in more buyers. I have left all mine at $5, will see how that works.
My referral http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=sharpshot/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=sharpshot/)
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I think I'll sign up with them just to put my referral here too. ;D
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all my images a price there for $5
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I think I'll leave my images at the default of $5.00 for now until I see how frequently the sales role in ...
It will be nice to have a site not only appears to be getting lots of views and sales but also have user defined pricing levels.
Check-out Graphic Leftovers:
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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I just had my first sale at Graphic Leftovers :)
My prices were set at the default of $5.00 which produced a commission of $2.60. I now have over 500 images currently uploaded and approved there.
Sharpshot - I believe I am your referral for this site if you weren't aware of it ...
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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...Also, a tip...if you need to link to your portfolio and include the referral link as well, our site still tracks your referrals...
Dan, is it possible to link to a specific image in a portfolio while also including the referral? Like suppose a visitor to my website contacts me about a specific image they saw somewhere, and I want to direct them to the image on GL but also still get credit for the referral. How would I link that?
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Hey Mike,
Yes you can do that, just add on /ref=mikemcd/ to any link on the site. So you would do, http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/graffiti-sketch/ref=mikemcd/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/graffiti-sketch/ref=mikemcd/) for example.
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I'm thinking about doing higher prices at this site once I get a feel for how often the sales are coming in at the default pricing of $5. There seems to be quite a few people having sales already relative to this being a new site.
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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Yes, there are many artists who do well, and since we started with mostly vectors, they sell the best on the site.
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Just joined and getting lots of views ! :) Hope the sales follow !! ;D
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I hope everyone that has joined recently can start seeing sales soon too!
Another update: We've had a huge surge of sellers join in the past month...We've actually approved over 24,000 images in February alone! A lot of sales come from search engines and it will take a few weeks for your images to be indexed, so in a few weeks your sales should be more consistent. Also, the more our site is linked to, the more google will send traffic our way, so if you'd like to help your sales and our website at the same time, link to your portfolio or our homepage and you can include your referral link as well. For example, http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/stu49/ref=stu49/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/stu49/ref=stu49/)
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Had my first sale on my first day on the site. - yesterday. Quite impressive.
BTW they are not accepting images of people, just more graphic style images like food, nature, etc.
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Hey Mike,
Yes you can do that, just add on /ref=mikemcd/ to any link on the site. So you would do, [url]http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/graffiti-sketch/ref=mikemcd/[/url] ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/graffiti-sketch/ref=mikemcd/[/url]) for example.
Thanks, Dan.
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I am in process of uploading my graphics there. I just started and I have first sale! Wow! 8)
That was fast!
I thought it would take ages to sell there, because they looked to me so unknown and not overflowed by tons of images like other agencies. But maybe this is an advantage! Realy interesting site.
This was sold - 3d Render Concept Cars Rainbow (http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/fb-render-concept-cars-rainbow/ref=jareso/)
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I am in process of uploading my graphics there. I just started and I have first sale! Wow! 8)
That was fast!
I thought it would take ages to sell there, because they looked to me so unknown and not overflowed by tons of images like other agencies. But maybe this is an advantage! Realy interesting site.
This was sold - 3d Render Concept Cars Rainbow ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/fb-render-concept-cars-rainbow/ref=jareso/[/url])
Now this looks like referral link spamming to me.
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I am in process of uploading my graphics there. I just started and I have first sale! Wow! 8)
That was fast!
I thought it would take ages to sell there, because they looked to me so unknown and not overflowed by tons of images like other agencies. But maybe this is an advantage! Realy interesting site.
This was sold - 3d Render Concept Cars Rainbow ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/fb-render-concept-cars-rainbow/ref=jareso/[/url])
Now this looks like referral link spamming to me.
What are you talking about man?? ??? Your post is nonsense to me. Referral links are allowed here – I see them everywhere in here.
That file was sold and I wanted to share may thoughts and happines about it with everyone, in relevant forum thread. Who whats to view it – can do so, who not –not. Is everyone free will.
So what's going on?? ???
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I think you described it quite clearly. The link is supposed to show a file you sold. That's what you say the link will do. That's what everyone is expecting. Not to cache you as referral.
And btw leaf started thread about referral link usage while ago. This would be nice example of what should not be allowed.
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well his link does send you to an image of his and it has sold so I have no reason to doubt his honesty. If you are linking to one of your images anywhere on the internet it is probably a wise move to include your referral link.
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well his link does send you to an image of his and it has sold so I have no reason to doubt his honesty. If you are linking to one of your images anywhere on the internet it is probably a wise move to include your referral link.
Thank you leaf for your point. I much appreciate it.
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I just had my 2nd sale at GL. I have also had several referral sales which were priced as the default of $5.00 producing .25 each
For those that are interested in the data, my images were priced at $5.00 and the commissions were $2.60 each. My portfolio has 545 images.
It is an excellent portal for illustrations both Raster and Vector. Here is my referral link: http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/)
-Mark
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well his link does send you to an image of his and it has sold so I have no reason to doubt his honesty. If you are linking to one of your images anywhere on the internet it is probably a wise move to include your referral link.
Thank you leaf for your point. I much appreciate it.
I guess it is meaningless to continue this yet just to make it clear - so are you saying that hiding a referral link under a text that does not hint at all that it includes referral link is ok? He is saying that anyone is free to click the text under which the URL with the referral is hidden or not click it. Unless one is checking the URL hidden under the text, then one is unwillingly using his referral. Many people won't notice it at all and may well sign under him without even knowing in future (in case it is cached which it probably is and unless the site displays it when signing up). I don't think I should need to scan the hidden URLs at this forum. It is not 'anywhere in the internet'. It is not a spam email saying that when I click the link it will take me someplace just to do something different.
Or are you saying this because some buyer may actually find his image through say Google and this forum? And so that he gets bonus for referring buyer (if the site supports it)?
That's my point of view... Not a big deal actually, there are simply quite a few referral threads around with all the links and wow's to make people use them. And that makes me bit allergic on them. Actually that's what this poster said as well -- look they are allowed, they are all around. Well I know they are allowed, but for me it depends on how their are used. One can use them often but transparently as mwp does and that's fine with me. This one we are discussing does not seem as honest usage to me. But who cares what's fine with me...
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I would prefer it if people mentioned if they use a hidden referral link, I usually mention if a link has my referral in it out of courtesy to others here. It doesn't seem to be a big problem at the moment though and leaf runs this site well, so I don't mind but if we all started posting hidden referral links, it could spoil the site.
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I'm thinking about doing higher prices at this site once I get a feel for how often the sales are coming in at the default pricing of $5. There seems to be quite a few people having sales already relative to this being a new site.
[url]http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/[/url] ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mwp1969/[/url])
-Mark
[url]http://markwpayne.wordpress.com[/url] ([url]http://markwpayne.wordpress.com[/url])
The guy with the hidden link is actually honestly giving an opinion and referring people to the site via the link. If you find yourself on the site through the link then surely he is responsible for referring you via his post so deserves the bonus.
I think the above is far more annoying referral spamming, taking up half of every one of the many posts you make on the thread with the same spaced out referral link. spam spam spam. I feel like I've got squatters on my screen real estate!!!
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I just signed up and queued up a bunch of files to upload. It looks like every one is going to fail with "Error #2038" and there's no way to cancel the upload so I just closed the browser to kill it. I emailed a request for an FTP account.
Not a very promising start.
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I just signed up and queued up a bunch of files to upload. It looks like every one is going to fail with "Error #2038" and there's no way to cancel the upload so I just closed the browser to kill it. I emailed a request for an FTP account.
Not a very promising start.
I also got this error sometimes. For me helped to close window and wait for some time. And than it worked again. I am unsure why this happens. I asked for FTP too but I haven’t received answer yet.
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I uploaded about 500 images yesterday, they got approved sometime yesterday or last night (only a few rejected for being duplicates -- whoops!), and this morning I have my first sale -- $2.60. Very promising!
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I uploaded about 500 images yesterday, they got approved sometime yesterday or last night (only a few rejected for being duplicates -- whoops!), and this morning I have my first sale -- $2.60. Very promising!
How nice for you. If only I could upload something. Are you saying you got 500 through that web interface? Or did they give you FTP access?
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Are you saying you got 500 through that web interface? Or did they give you FTP access?
I emailed them to ask for FTP access, just as they suggest on their site, and got it within a few hours.
I went back this morning expecting I'd have to do something to formally submit them, but I saw they were (almost) all approved.
Couldn't be easier!
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No response yet to my FTP request. I tried the web interface again, with FF and IE, it doesn't work. In fact it hung IE and I had to kill it with Task Manager.
Ok, GraphicLeftovers, I give up, I'm walking away now. Drop me a line if you ever want some of my files. :)
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After uploading process is very easy there. If you have your data saved in IPTC you have to do nothing more. Simple just upload and they will go to pending immediately. There is no need to select or confirm anything. Everything is set to default. This is really fast. I was kindly surprised when I uploaded my first batch.
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No response yet to my FTP request. I tried the web interface again, with FF and IE, it doesn't work. In fact it hung IE and I had to kill it with Task Manager.
Ok, GraphicLeftovers, I give up, I'm walking away now. Drop me a line if you ever want some of my files. :)
ask for it on live chat, they are really nice guys
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Hi stockastic,
We've been having issues with the flash uploader on our site. I think it is a windows specific issue and I'm working on fixing it still. In the meantime, we can set up an FTP account for you. If you can email me your username on our site at [email protected] I will set up an FTP for you. Thanks and sorry for you having to wait!
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I received FTP access and I'm in! I'm now uploading a half-dozen files which I am confident will make me rich. Thanks.
When you really get down to it, it's hard to beat FTP, which now has about 40 years of debugging invested in it. This embedded Flash/Java stuff is just too tweaky.
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My first group sailed through quickly, so I FTP'd a dozen more. After a few hours I still see them on the FTP server, not showing up as "unfinished" or "under review". Is that normal, or a sign of trouble?
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Its normal. Some of mine have taken a while but they have always made it on to the site.
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What are you talking about man?? ??? Your post is nonsense to me. So what's going on?? ???
What a nice attitude. Danicek is right. Ploink.
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What are you talking about man?? ??? Your post is nonsense to me. So what's going on?? ???
What a nice attitude. Danicek is right. Ploink.
No Danicek isn’t right. If you where reading all posts about this problem, not just taking parts from it, you could see. But not so big deal with me anyway. Discussion about that problem would be probably endless, and with no solution. :) So I am not going to continue in it. I will behave according to the rules of this forum (as I always did/do) and according how authority (Leaf) tell me to behave. That’s it.
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danoph How about photos? Are photos selling well on your site? Because your site looks much more aimed at graphics it makes me wonder if uploading of photos is worth there?
Had someone photo sales there already?
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Had someone photo sales there already?
Yes, about a week after uploading (using the FTP account GLO provided really fast after mailing them), I got my first sale (http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/hotel-bell-service-bell-317/ref=Franky242/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/hotel-bell-service-bell-317/ref=Franky242/)) which came as a rather big surprise to me, being rather new in stock photography. By checking the views on my photos (I do not do any vectors), I can definitely recommend to upload there - they are fast, friendly and have a fair acceptance ratio!
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Had someone photo sales there already?
Yes, about a week after uploading (using the FTP account GLO provided really fast after mailing them), I got my first sale ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/hotel-bell-service-bell-317/ref=Franky242/[/url] ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/hotel-bell-service-bell-317/ref=Franky242/[/url])) which came as a rather big surprise to me, being rather new in stock photography. By checking the views on my photos (I do not do any vectors), I can definitely recommend to upload there - they are fast, friendly and have a fair acceptance ratio!
That’s good to hear. I congratulate you to your sale! :)
I thought photo sales will be very rare (if any) there but now I see that it is also possible to make some money there with photos.
Anyone else had success with selling photos there?
I hope that also danoph will came here and tell us something about their attitude towards photo selling at their site.
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Whoops sorry guys....I was thinking of the3dstudio...I'm not even on graphic leftovers yet. One of those days
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Haven't had one sale yet after 22,202 views.
Ok that got my attention. How could that possibly be true? Maybe the site's view counts are bogus, or the prices are too high.
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Haven't had one sale yet after 22,202 views.
Ok that got my attention. How could that possibly be true? Maybe the site's view counts are bogus, or the prices are too high.
Just edited that post..Wrong site. That is on the3dstudio. Make more sense now? Sorry
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I am not clear whether stockastic is suggesting the view counts at The3dstudio.com are bogus or the other site mentinoed here. The view counts at The3dstudio.com are accurate.
[email protected]
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I am not clear whether stockastic is suggesting the view counts at The3dstudio.com are bogus or the other site mentinoed here. The view counts at The3dstudio.com are accurate.
[email protected]
No, I think there was a confusion of sites. 22,202 views and no sales would look suspiciously if they were on GraphicLeftovers.
Although if so much views and no sales are on the3Dstudio it is probably not very good sign too.
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Thanks for clarifying. Our products get lots of views--in addition to customers they are viewed by other members checking out the new stuff, checking out the competition, etc. Since we only started with stock photos/images last summer we are still building the library but sales are increasing so we hope everyone sticks with us.
[email protected]
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Thanks for clarifying. Our products get lots of views--in addition to customers they are viewed by other members checking out the new stuff, checking out the competition, etc. Since we only started with stock photos/images last summer we are still building the library but sales are increasing so we hope everyone sticks with us.
[email protected]
Stockastic was only quoting what I had posted. I am on the3dstudio and that was the view count on my portfolio with no sales. I wasn't referring to GraphicLeftovers, which was he thought. That was my mistake not his. I was under the wrong thread.
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Hi everyone,
Sorry for not replying sooner. I was out of town this past weekend for my birthday!
@jareso,
To answer you first, we just started accepting photos a few months ago and sales have slowly started to pick up in that area. We are still staying niche focused and do not accept photos requiring a model release since there aren't any other sites that focus on non-people related photography. We think that separates us a little bit from the other guys. As we start adding more and more photos to our website, I'm sure the sales will pick up more for you.
Also, I'm glad the discussion about the views / sales was cleared up! Our view count is accurate on our site also.
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I did submit a couple dozen photos, and got a sale already, presumably from some one who saw it in the recent uploads. Of course there's no guarantee I'll ever get another one, but at least that told me my images might be in an appropriate place.
I'm happy to be submitting to an agency that doesn't handle people shots, becuase I don't do any. All I'm really interested in are object shots with (I hope) a bit of a arty quality to them, so if I can get any visibility in GL's vast sea of vectors, I mght make a few sales.
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Hi Donna,
Thanks for additional clarification. One of these days I am going to get better at following the flow of messages on forums! :)
I am sorry you haven't had any sales with us and hope that changes soon. We knew when we got into stock last summer that it would take time to build up the stock side of the business; we will continue to work on growing T3DS.
If you have any further questions/concerns about the view count or anything at T3DS please feel free to email me.
[email protected]
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Haven't had one sale yet after 22,202 views.
Ok that got my attention. How could that possibly be true? Maybe the site's view counts are bogus, or the prices are too high.
my guess is that someone has embedded the image into their blog?
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We are still staying niche focused and do not accept photos requiring a model release since there aren't any other sites that focus on non-people related photography. We think that separates us a little bit from the other guys.
While I do have model released photos ... I think you have found an excellent niche and way to distinguish your site from the others out there. My wife and I are both new members and are very happy with both the site itself, your business model (higher commissions) and the sales activity that we've both experienced and witnessed so far. Please please keep up the good work.
-Mark
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my guess is that someone has embedded the image into their blog?
Hotlinking by the IMG tag always bypasses any processing (included counting) by the site.
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All I'm really interested in are object shots with (I hope) a bit of a arty quality to them, so if I can get any visibility in GL's vast sea of vectors, I mght make a few sales.
Where's this vast sea of vectors you say?
Everytime I search for something vectors are 10% of the results now.
I wish they'd make a separate site or place for photos(Hint- photoleftovers.com is available) or something. Maybe a cool interface which will let you switch between photos and graphics with the same account.
The reason I joined GLO(before it got popular on this board) was because I was looking for a site filling a niche for graphics. Now it's just another site(cheers for the commission tho). Oh well...
As for the views, I'm guessing the site counts all views including anonymous(not logged in) and not unique.
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I've only been on GL since last Friday, and I'm a fan already.
Submitting is the easiest of ANY site out there.
I got a sale immediately on Friday, and though I was afraid it might be a fluke, I got another on Sunday. A total of $5.20 for a Friday afternoon thru Sunday afternoon... beats many of the middle and bottom tier sites as far as I'm concerned.
High hopes for this one!
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Everyone please note: there is no problem with view counts on Graphic Leftovers. donding made a post in error, he was referring to another site. He has since corrected his post.
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donding made a post in error, he was referring to another site. He has since corrected his post.
Pssst... ::) Donna is a "she". ;)
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I got a sale this past weekend on GL not much but I'm happy. Now if I could just get Cutcaster going and the3dstudio (and on that one need to figure out blender and make them some 3d images which could help with getting going on that site :)
Very easy to upload to once I asked for an ftp account heh! :D
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Anyone have anything to report here?
I uploaded 150 images, and got 3 sales right away. Since then I've had about 1,000 more views but no sales. That's not a large number of views per image on average, but still kind of odd that all those views didn't result in a sale.
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I have 1043 images online. I've only had two sales, totalling $5.20. The site is claiming that my images have had 6184 views.
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I have 1043 images online. I've only had two sales, totalling $5.20. The site is claiming that my images have had 6184 views.
A have also a lot of views but unfortunately only one sale. Maybe they are counting also bots and web crawlers to the statistics of image views.
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10 sales so far. Sales are probably low because a lot of us have uploaded our portfolios in recent months, the same has happened with other sites when they are swamped with new images. Stay patient and hope for the best. I like their site and the upload is easy, it is hard for the smaller sites but they have a chance if we stick with them.
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Well there's always hope. To bad it's not pay-per-view. :)
I like the site because they're not doing model shots.
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My sales have been light but steady... a few downloads a week... and I just hit my first payout there, so as far as I'm concerned this is a site with real promise!
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There's always hope.
DT and SS are slowly but steadily dying for me - new images return less than old ones. Approval at IS is now so unpredictable I hardly bother anymore. So I'm looking for new sites. If GL started generating an occasional sale, and offered an exclusive deal, I'd sign up in a second, just to simplify my life and get back to taking more pictures instead of begging for spare change on the Big 3.
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I have had 4 sales there so far ... all were $2.60 commission :)
-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com (http://markwpayne.wordpress.com)
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5 sales (3 months)
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Average $35 a month with about 1000 files. But I like them!
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Since Feb 20th:
19 sales
$ 54.95
Portfolio: 613
http://stockillustrator.blogspot.com/ (http://stockillustrator.blogspot.com/)
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I made a few more bucks there so I'm encouraged. It sort of worries me, though, that they're accepting 100% of my keywords. I think my keywording is fair, but I'm worried about all you other guys who I know are spamming. :)
Seriously - I think the days of just letting contributors do all the keywording, on the honor system, are over. That road led to the madness that is Shutterstock. But I also think IStocks' CV is overkill. There has to be a middle ground, where reviewers spend time looking at keywords on submitted images, which I know costs money, but shouldn't that pay off in the long run? How else is a site going to offer a better search?
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I've only had three sales, with a portfolio of 1207 images. Each of those sales has netted me $2.60 each. Even though it's not satisfactory, it's a darn site better than the five sales I've had on Featurepics over the past five months, totalling $2.10! :(
It's a nice easy site to upload to, and the staff are very helpful and friendly! :)
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Hi everyone,
I wanted to reply to a few of your questions and concerns...
@stockastic: since many contributors on stock sites abuse keywording, we took the same approach that google does in its search results instead of limiting the amount that you can use. Image titles and descriptions are factored into search results a great deal more than keywords are, so if someone is spamming keywords for their images, their images will not appear in all those search results as much as artists who use quality and relevant titles and descriptions. It's less work on our part and the contributor's, and it provides better search results for the buyer that way.
@jareso: you are correct, the views do count bots (like google and yahoo crawling the site) and we intend to correct that soon. It does not count you looking at your own images though.
@sharpshot: we have been swamped with contributors with large portfolios signing up recently, and that is probably the reason for lower sales in the past month or so. Hopefully that will turn around soon with the marketing and promotion efforts we are doing for the site.
Other than that, I'm glad to hear it's so easy to upload to our site. Now we are primarily focused on getting more buyers so everyone can make more money!
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@stockastic: since many contributors on stock sites abuse keywording, we took the same approach that google does in its search results instead of limiting the amount that you can use. Image titles and descriptions are factored into search results a great deal more than keywords ar
Interesting! So I assume it would be worthwhile for me to revisit all of them and make sure they contain the most important keywords - without spamming, of course?
This is actually kind of a bummer for me. I tried to do the right thing and came up with an honest, focused but complete set of keywords for every image, and kept my title and desrciption short and simplistic. Now microstocks are throwing in the towel, saying that keywords are out of control, and in the search the keywords are being de-emphasized in favor of the title and description. Isn't this just a way of running from the problem? Won't contributors start stuffing the descriptions?
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@stockastic - it's not really running away from the problem...I think of it as an SEO issue, and the issue with SEO is always staying ahead of the curve and what everyone else is doing...Google is pretty good at filtering spam and I tend to use them as inspiration for our own website. Everyone is becoming SEO savvy nowadays so you have to be more creative than the next guy to stand out in the sea of websites/images on the internet, you know? Not trying to say you have to revisit all of your images and redo them, but the more time spent on each image is what separates good from great in my opinion. I see a lot of great images from awesome photographers/illustrators on our site that have one or two word titles and descriptions and I know that when Google comes and indexes images from the site, it tends to look for more title and description heavy pages/images to index. So, good titles and descriptions would help you not only on our site but in google image search results. Also, if you have any suggestions, I'd be willing to hear them :)
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Also, if you have any suggestions, I'd be willing to hear them :)
Thanks danoph, and I do have some constructive suggestions. I understand that SEO is an evolving game and we need to play along - but GL could help.
If I'd realized the increasing importance of titles and descriptions I'd have redone them all before uploading to GL - but now it's too late and I'll have to edit them all 'in place'. The UI doesn't make this easy, offering only a thumbnail view with no details, text or dates. I have to click through 2 pages for each image to get an editable description, then click back to the thumbnail view for the next image - and when I tried this, I quickly lost track of which ones I'd already edited. Even for my small portfolio, this was going to take far too long.
Also, if I'm going to change the descriptions, I naturally want those changes in my own master files as well. That means editing the originals, then cut-pasting the new titles/descriptions into GL.
Here's what we need: a 'list view' something like what Dreamstime offers, where each row has a small thumbnail, the file name, and IN-PLACE-EDITABLE title and description fields (where I can double-click the text to edit it, or overwrite it, on the spot). A 'last edited' date field would let me keep track of where I left off in the editing process.
Since you guys are the search experts, you could give us some examples and guidelines of what works best for GL (maybe you already have them; I haven't looked). Should I just try to cram keywords into grammatical sentences, or is there some subtlety to this?
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Total Earnings
$2.60
Total Image Views: 1,500
Total Sales: 1
Member Since: 05/20/2010
Portfolio Images: 197
Something is wrong. Soooo many views and only one sale. Anyone having the same experience?
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ibogdan
High views count doesn’t mean anything. As danoph confirmed few posts before they are counting also bots to the statistics. I guess human/customer preview count will be just small fragment of these. But good news is that they are going to fix it soon so we will see real numbers than...
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I've been there about 8 months and have had 37 sales. Started off strong but have had fewer sales recently.
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I've been there about 8 months and have had 37 sales. Started off strong but have had fewer sales recently.
just got 90 photos removed from my portfolio.... never seen an agency doing this, my friendship with GLO is gone!
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I've been there about 8 months and have had 37 sales. Started off strong but have had fewer sales recently.
just got 90 photos removed from my portfolio.... never seen an agency doing this, my friendship with GLO is gone!
Did you get their newsletter? There was mention on there of housecleaning going on to clear up copyright issues. What kind of images were removed? Or did hey just pick a bunch of stuff at randome and kill them off?
I also believe they have something about an annual review thing in their terms.
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I've been there about 8 months and have had 37 sales. Started off strong but have had fewer sales recently.
just got 90 photos removed from my portfolio.... never seen an agency doing this, my friendship with GLO is gone!
Did you get their newsletter? There was mention on there of housecleaning going on to clear up copyright issues. What kind of images were removed? Or did hey just pick a bunch of stuff at randome and kill them off?
I also believe they have something about an annual review thing in their terms.
graffitis and other building property photos
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I've been there about 8 months and have had 37 sales. Started off strong but have had fewer sales recently.
just got 90 photos removed from my portfolio.... never seen an agency doing this, my friendship with GLO is gone!
Did you get their newsletter? There was mention on there of housecleaning going on to clear up copyright issues. What kind of images were removed? Or did hey just pick a bunch of stuff at randome and kill them off?
I also believe they have something about an annual review thing in their terms.
graffitis and other building property photos
Well there you go then. GraphLeft has no editorial license provisions.
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Total GL sales as of today: $26
I figure this is a pretty decent start, especially considering how fast and easy it was to upload.
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just signed u and tried it, the interface seems good and uploading is quite easy, but i do encounter the error message with #xxxx sometimes.
after uploading the files will appear in the 'unfinished' in 'few hours' (few hours is what they mentioned in their uploading page, but it turns out can be few minutes only) and if your IPTC is there, it will be moved to approval pending without extra jobs.
I had uploaded few files, and tried to search them, and it seems new uploaded file will appear as the first page, good for exposure of new uploaded images.
here is my shameless referral link..
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/)
for vector, you can upload xxx.eps matching with xxx.jpg to get IPTC read.
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Just reached my first payout with GL. Its good to have a new site that has sales, some of my referrals are selling a few as well. Wouldn't it be good if sites like this that are easy to use and pay a decent commission took over from some of the sites that have cut commissions and have become too fussy about what they accept? I can dream :)
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I have a couple of sales now and then. I also had some images removed but that was announced in their newsletter. Good agency, getting better and better.
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A few weeks ago I decided to give it a try and asked for an FTP account, but still no answers.
Now, the .zip upload method is fine - but at 20 MB at a time I'm not going to lose my time uploading to a low-earner, sorry.
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With just 150 images, I've made a few sales at GL over a period of a few months. This site gives me hope for the future. I've quit doing microstock because, at 25 cents a sale, it's just not worthwhile unless you have high-volume subjects, and I don't do those sorts of things. But at GL's prices, it would make sense again.
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Still one sale. And a funny thing is that they reject me lately more than FT, SS or DT..
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it seems like the default price had increased from $5 to $6? anyone notice it? or i made a mistake?
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I also noticed this a few days ago. But what for? They sell anyway too less
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Yes, the default pricing changed. It was in their monthly newsletter. Growing pains or something. If you want your previous images to have the $6 price, you need to do that manually i think.
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still looking forward for my first sale.. i find the uploading process is quite good, if you have everything with IPTC in your jpg, it will move to pending approval without extra click.
Review will be done in 24 hours or less, in my experience (there aren't much people uploading?)
there is this GL collections that if you photos are in, it will be showed randomly as one of the images on their homepage.
i got like 6 images out of my 60 porfolio is in that collections so i can see my own images at their homepage.
generally a good experience for contributors.
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/)
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Made a sale there the other day of a vector that hadn't sold anywhere else so I'm pleasently happy. This is my BME on there so far as I've gotten 2 sales within 8 days of each other so I'm happy.
I also have 5 images in there as well but haven't seen my stuff on the front page. That'd be a nice surprise to see that :)
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excuse , what is GL Collection Images?
I got some there but I not remember I do anything different .
Can I get explaination how my pictures got there?
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excuse , what is GL Collection Images?
I got some there but I not remember I do anything different .
Can I get explaination how my pictures got there?
http://graphicleftovers.com/glc/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/glc/)
It's sort of like an Editor Choice I guess.
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excuse , what is GL Collection Images?
I got some there but I not remember I do anything different .
Can I get explaination how my pictures got there?
I think it is like they think your images are interesting enough for some buyers, and those images will be randomly showcase on the frontpage. It means you get more views and more exposure.
and one can set your own price, and you can even upload a psd, photoshop file.
it seems many people got sales there in short time, but i am still waiting for my first sale there.
my referral link..or checkout my humble portfolio
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/)
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Got my first sale in GL in one month..it is not as fast as some of you for the 1st sale but still a good experience.
It paid 52% to contributors so i got $3.12 for a single sale, and you can set your own price. which website is paying fair to contributors and do all things fair?
To me, the website had read what contributors want and make the business a fair deal, so i have to recommend it for buyers and sellers.
For seller,
1. 52% share for contributors.
2. No lock-up time for porfolio.
3. Very easy uploading, and fast review, within 24 hours. If IPTC is in JPG then it will go to pending approval after uploaded, and vector just upload xxx.eps + xxx.jpg. Fast review just encourage one to upload more since it doesn't have to wait for days and weeks.
4. Set your own price if up to $20.
5. If you images are chose into GL collection, it will showcase on the front page to increase your exposure. It seems to give contributors a fair opportunity to increase their portfolio exposure and sale. 15 images are showed on the front page each time, change every refresh of page. I find that no other website do it better.
here is my referral link.. thanks.
http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/mtkang/ref=mtkang/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/mtkang/ref=mtkang/)
however, it doesn't accept images with fully recognised people at this moment.
excuse , what is GL Collection Images?
I got some there but I not remember I do anything different
I think it is like they think your images are interesting enough for some buyers, and those images will be randomly showcase on the frontpage. It means you get more views and more exposure.
and one can set your own price, and you can even upload a psd, photoshop file.
it seems many people got sales there in short time, but i am still waiting for my first sale there.
my referral link..or checkout my humble portfolio
[url]http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/[/url] ([url]http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/[/url])
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I can't remember who it was that recommended GL to me, but whoever it was, I want to thank you. Sales don't come in as frequently but when they do, it's a nice little surprise and a decent payment. Also the GL Collection actually works. I uploaded the following file yesterday, it was added to the collection and it sold today.
http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/hamsa-hand-eye-of-fatima/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/hamsa-hand-eye-of-fatima/)
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hah. they reject more than shutterstock or dreamstime and they sell nothing. seems a waste of time there!
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i got 2 sales in august, with around 150 files there. Both sales are vectors.
anyway, the uploading is so easy that you can just uploading it without more than few clicks. If you IPTC is in images then it will move directly to pending and get approved for sale.
uploading eps+jpg with IPTC for vectors. Photos are accepted too, but no photos with recognizable face.
and more important that the commission for contributors is 52%, it is hard not to support an agency that pays fair.
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/)
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I reeally like the site too, like other have said it is very easy to upload to and I also find that review times are pretty quick.
Someone has signed up with my referral link and made a sale pretty much striaght away, so some pics are definitely selling. It is a shame you can't see who you referred to see teh size of their portfolio for that sale.
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It is a shame you can't see who you referred to see teh size of their portfolio for that sale.
Yes. Many times I wondered who my referred members are at GL. Hopefully GL will make referred members visible publicly (or at least visible for user who referred them). What do you think danoph? Can be this feature included on your site?
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Hi all...I hope everyone had a good holiday!
@jwsc101 and @jareso - I added a section for referred users today at the bottom of the My Account page so you can see which sellers you've referred and the date they signed up. I hope this helps!
@ibogdan - We've been cleaning up our library recently due to copyright infringement issues and we are trying to weed out similar images in portfolios so the collection is more unique. That is why we have been rejecting more images than usual lately. I'm sorry you haven't sold much yet.
Also, the GL Collection is a section for images that we feel are exceptionally well done. They are hand picked by us.
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@jwsc101 and @jareso - I added a section for referred users today at the bottom of the My Account page so you can see which sellers you've referred and the date they signed up. I hope this helps!
Thank you very much for adding this feature!
It is very interesting to see & browse their portfolios! :)
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@Dan
Any chance we'll see some better earnings reporting tools in the future? Right now it's tough to figure out exactly how much I earned in a specific month without manually adding up the individual sales for that month.
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Hi Mike,
Sure, what kind of reports would you like to see?
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how about a portfolio view that show more that 12 pictures? i need to go to many pages to check my portfolio..
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Monthly earnings totals. I'd just like to be able to go back and see what I earned in total for a previous month. Most of us calculate earnings in the microstock business in monthly terms. That's how many other companies display data, and it's how most of the contributors keep track of earnings, on a monthly basis.
Most sites have features that allow for viewing historical earnings by month. It would be great if GL had a similar feature.
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Monthly earnings totals. I'd just like to be able to go back and see what I earned in total for a previous month. Most of us calculate earnings in the microstock business in monthly terms. That's how many other companies display data, and it's how most of the contributors keep track of earnings, on a monthly basis.
Most sites have features that allow for viewing historical earnings by month. It would be great if GL had a similar feature.
^^+1
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Hi Mike and and Microbius,
I updated the account page for sellers with monthly totals at the bottom. Let me know if that works for you and if you'd like any other kind of reporting available :)
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Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Dan!
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wow.. now that's what I call service ! :D
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Hi Mike and and Microbius,
I updated the account page for sellers with monthly totals at the bottom. Let me know if that works for you and if you'd like any other kind of reporting available :)
Thanks, that's why we love ya!!
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The price increase seems to of worked well, sales are as good as they were before. GL is in the top 10 in the earnings poll and I think it can move up a few places.
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Thanks guys :) With all the unsettling news lately hopefully unhappy buyers on other sites will flock to GL this holiday season!
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Hi all...I hope everyone had a good holiday!
@jwsc101 and @jareso - I added a section for referred users today at the bottom of the My Account page so you can see which sellers you've referred and the date they signed up. I hope this helps!
@ibogdan - We've been cleaning up our library recently due to copyright infringement issues and we are trying to weed out similar images in portfolios so the collection is more unique. That is why we have been rejecting more images than usual lately. I'm sorry you haven't sold much yet.
Also, the GL Collection is a section for images that we feel are exceptionally well done. They are hand picked by us.
Thanks very much, I've only just seen this but can now see who I referred. It's good news as well, one of mine has added lots of photos!
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=jwsc101/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=jwsc101/)
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Just joined a couple of days ago, no sales yet with 100+ photos so far but the site is very easy to upload too and support is excellent in my book, planning to keep uploading to the site on a regular basis, hope to start seeing some sales soon... :)
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all my sales are vector..maybe vector is performing better than photos in this site?
got low sales last month, but i had more sales in the beginning of this month than last 2 months.
by the way, i got $5 in my account that i will use to download something..if you register using my referral link i will buy sth $1 from you? just pm me..
http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=mtkang/)
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Hi all...I hope everyone had a good holiday!
@jwsc101 and @jareso - I added a section for referred users today at the bottom of the My Account page so you can see which sellers you've referred and the date they signed up. I hope this helps!
Hi,
where can I find that info? The My Account page shows that somebody signed up through my referral code, but no further info to be found...
Thanks,
Dirk
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If it is seller you can find info at bottom of the page. Click them and view their profile (Member Since, Portfolio Images, GL Collection Images, Sales) and you can also browse through their images. What else do you want to know? Are you looking for exact sales data? (You can figure that by browsing their images.)
Btw. Danoph, would it be possible to add information about from where does the new user came, before he/she registered?(HTTP_REFERER if present) Do you collect such info? Very few stock photo agencies actually collect such info (or include it in public/private referrer statistics) although it is very important feature. Also referral click-through count.
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If it is seller you can find info at bottom of the page. Click them and view their profile (Member Since, Portfolio Images, GL Collection Images, Sales) and you can also browse through their images. What else do you want to know? Are you looking for exact sales data? (You can figure that by browsing their images.)
There is nothing to click at ???
No info other than my monthly totals...
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i uploaded 10 images about 4 months ago and havent had sales --- and then this week I got two sales! so thought I would post on this thread
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anyone using ftp?
it seems the ftp is only transferred once a day?
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They do it several times a day now.
I just came on to sing their praises actually, cashed out this am, in my paypal account this pm.
God I love this site!!!
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Well done Microbius! Great to hear about a payout, hopefully I will be able to share news of mine one day......
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@danoph when did that upload queue link appear? Didn't notice it until just now. Love that.
And I just go another sale today so yay go me LOL. Far away from payout but my port is just sitting there plugging away. Definitely love the people and the easy upload, although upload had some issues for me today but that seems to have resolved itself :)
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Definitely love the people and the easy upload, although upload had some issues for me today but that seems to have resolved itself :)
The problems could be because the big changes there yesterday - they started accepting people photos. Overall I think that went smoothly for them.
I got a sale at GL myself yesterday, and am now working on my second payout. ;D
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@Dirk - You can only see sellers that you referred, not buyers, so if you have referred sellers to our site they will show up in the bottom of your "My Account" page.
@jareso - We do collect both the referrer URL and the click-through count. The click-through count is shown at the top of your "My Account" page under "Total Earnings" and the line should look like this: Referrals: 10 signups / 85 clicks. I just added the referral URL next to the username for you.
On another note, people were concerned about the high views of their images compared to low sales numbers in another thread on this forum. This was caused by search engine bots crawling the site which greatly skewed the view numbers. That bug has been fixed so it only records human visits to the image from now on.
@mtkang - Microbius is correct, we import FTP several times a day. We are adding server capacity in the near future so they will be imported more frequently.
@Anita We added that a few weeks ago so that's where your uploads go now instead of straight into the Pending area.
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Many people here are pleased with the site and it is great that Danoph visits our forum.
I am not a contributor (yet) but I have a question.
As far as I can tell, GL sells commercial RF licences. Yet, I found a picture of the Eiffel tower at night.
The illumination of the Eiffel tower is copyrighted, this is a very well known issue, and commercial licensing of such images is asking for trouble. Also, I found a photo of skyscrapers where logos are recognizable even in the preview image.
Was it a reviewer's mistake or something else?
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Many people here are pleased with the site and it is great that Danoph visits our forum.
I am not a contributor (yet) but I have a question.
As far as I can tell, GL sells commercial RF licences. Yet, I found a picture of the Eiffel tower at night.
The illumination of the Eiffel tower is copyrighted, this is a very well known issue, and commercial licensing of such images is asking for trouble. Also, I found a photo of skyscrapers where logos are recognizable even in the preview image.
Was it a reviewer's mistake or something else?
This was my concern also when I took a brief look into their site. Some of the vectors seemed (in my opinion) to be traced from images found online. I would say the inspection process is very lenient compared to the bigger sites.
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Many people here are pleased with the site and it is great that Danoph visits our forum.
I am not a contributor (yet) but I have a question.
As far as I can tell, GL sells commercial RF licences. Yet, I found a picture of the Eiffel tower at night.
The illumination of the Eiffel tower is copyrighted, this is a very well known issue, and commercial licensing of such images is asking for trouble. Also, I found a photo of skyscrapers where logos are recognizable even in the preview image.
Was it a reviewer's mistake or something else?
We began review of the site with regards to trademark and copyright issues in August. It is not nearly done. Some portfolios with major issues have already been addressed, others are pending a thorough review. We have already addressed some major infringements and problems such as full flat depictions of currency, both domestic and foreign, hot topics such as some major landmarks, toys, vehicles, and more.
Unfortunately this is a slow process. Trying to accomplish it via search is sometimes futile because of misspelling of keywords. Yes, believe it or not, sometimes Eiffel is spelled wrong. We get Eiffle, Eifle, EIfel, you name it.
I did a sweep on France properties back in Aug/Sept because in France, property laws differ. But apparently I did not catch them all. If you would like to have an individual item addressed or explained. just PM me with an image link.
Thanks - April at GL
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Many people here are pleased with the site and it is great that Danoph visits our forum.
I am not a contributor (yet) but I have a question.
As far as I can tell, GL sells commercial RF licences. Yet, I found a picture of the Eiffel tower at night.
The illumination of the Eiffel tower is copyrighted, this is a very well known issue, and commercial licensing of such images is asking for trouble. Also, I found a photo of skyscrapers where logos are recognizable even in the preview image.
Was it a reviewer's mistake or something else?
This was my concern also when I took a brief look into their site. Some of the vectors seemed (in my opinion) to be traced from images found online. I would say the inspection process is very lenient compared to the bigger sites.
While we try our best to be thorough in reviews, things can be missed.
If you are the owner of an image that has been infringed upon or have concerns in general, feel free to PM and we'll investigate this issue. This goes even if you're not a site member. We take copyright and intellectual property issues very seriously and appreciate the help of all who value their own work and the work of others.
A PM here works - I try to take a look at things here a few times a day. You can also contact us via the Graphic Leftovers website.
Many Thanks,
April at GL
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I found 3 EIffel pics, and they are now removed. When the tower thing all started, it was the Light Show that was copyrighted, and it was said that some general illumination was ok. But now this from the Tower people
Q: Is the publishing of a photo of the Eiffel Tower permitted?
A: There are no restrictions on publishing a picture of the Tower by day. Photos taken at night when the lights are aglow are subjected to copyright laws, and fees for the right to publish must be paid to the SNTE.
The Lights Aglow - is the the key phrase. Anyway, these should drop from search within 24 hrs, maybe sooner.
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I wanted to become a submitter and looked at the site but when I see what you can do with one photo I wondered if $5,- isn't cheap selling? This looks like an extended license elsewhere or am I wrong?
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I wanted to become a submitter and looked at the site but when I see what you can do with one photo I wondered if $5,- isn't cheap selling? This looks like an extended license elsewhere or am I wrong?
You set your own pricing for photos of anywhere from $1 to $20. The most popular price point with buyers seems to be $6, meaning what is reasonable to buyers for an average image.
Extended license is $45, Ultimate License is $85. 52% of those isn't hard to take. On the question of The extended and Ultimate selling - yes, they do.
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Thank you for posting here April. I signed up today and look forward to uploading my portfolio, and seeing what works at GL. I love the commission structure, and the site looks slick.
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Thank you for posting here April. I signed up today and look forward to uploading my portfolio, and seeing what works at GL. I love the commission structure, and the site looks slick.
Thank you for the note. Beautiful pour on the orange juice shot. I just sent that one through along with a few others into Pending. We are pretty backed up in the Queue today, but will get to some others later. Nice to have you aboard ;-)
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I signed up with them a week ago, uploaded a dozen of mix images and vectors and got approved within 48 hours. The uploading process is so easy I don't need the ftp.
Just found this thread, and after reading the whole 7 pages, I have great confidence with GL. Thanks everyone for the info. I'm looking forward for some sales. :D
My referral http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=photosoup/ (http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=photosoup/)
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@ Graphicleftovers staff
How is the "Upload queue" vs the "pending approval" queue supposed to work?
I assumed that once I had set the price and clicked "submit for approval" images would move from "Upload queue" to "pending approval" but they don't. At least not straight away.
Is this a bug or is this how it is supposed to work?
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@ Graphicleftovers staff
How is the "Upload queue" vs the "pending approval" queue supposed to work?
I assumed that once I had set the price and clicked "submit for approval" images would move from "Upload queue" to "pending approval" but they don't. At least not straight away.
Is this a bug or is this how it is supposed to work?
The images first go into the Queue, or what we call a Subpending Queue. It stays there until batches are manually moved by the Content Editor to Pending. This is done at least a few times a day.
While images are in the Queue, they are reviewed by the Content Editor for things such as Commercial Value, general "first look" quality, and copyright and intellectual property issues. When a batch is deemed viable on all counts, they are moved to Pending for the reviewers.
You can upload as many images as you want in any one session. We try and move about 40 into Pending at one time. Sometimes more, sometimes less depending on the workload.
As a real world example, say you upload 20. If the overall quality looks good, the content has good commercial value, and it clears property issues, the whole batch is usually moved. If an image or two is "questionable", such as a property issue having to be researched, the image hangs around in Queue until such issues are resolved. This will explain why perhaps 18 are moved up and 2 stay behind.
Everyone who submits on a given day is given a look and given a chance to get their images moved into Pending. The person who submits 20 on a day is given the same weight as a person who submits 1000. The person who submits 20 will not have to wait until the previous submitter who jammed us with 1000 gets their batch cleared. In this way all submitters will get at least some images up for sale withing a reasonable amount of time.
Images which do not clear property or are simply bad are deleted directly out of Queue. In the same vein, sometimes things are Approved directly out of Queue. It all depends on the image.
Right now, our Subpending Queue is into the double digit thousands in case you were wondering ;-)
Hope this helps answer your questions.
April at GL
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Thanks very much, that clears it up!
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I think we have all been waiting for an agency like Graphic Leftovers to come along.
* Easiest upload process in microstock by far
* Set your own prices
* 52% Commission
* Fair but tough standards ensure a solid, clean collection for buyers
* And yeah, they actually make sales. At $3.12 per sale, it adds up fast
I don't know what the other new agencies which came along and failed were missing, and really I don't care. GL knows what it's doing and I say we as contributors need to support them 100%.
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^^Well said, Dan! I agree 100%!
And thanks, April, for giving us the scoop on how the inspection process works :)
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After very long time without sales, I have another sale at GL just today.
This 3d rendering of symbolic houses was sold:
3d Render Concept Houses Arrow Green V2 (http://graphicleftovers.com/graphic/fb-render-concept-houses-arrow-green-v2/ref=jareso/)
Sale Price of this rendering: $6.00 | Earnings for me: $3.12
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a recent $45 ($23.40) sale can't be bad right?
Sales are very rare though.
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All quiet on the GL front. You can almost hear crickets chirping.
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I had 5 sales in 2011. Sales have essentially stopped since the summer of 2011. I still upload because it's very easy to submit work.
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On New Year's Day we had a party at our house. In the middle of the afternoon, while sipping a glass of wine in a room full of people, I pulled out my phone and checked email - and I'd just made a sale at GL! I think it's a good omen.
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Yeap, sales have dropped since last summer. I wonder what happened, such a promissing start...
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I think what happened is they got lots more images faster than they got new buyers.
There are a few things about GL I really like -
1. FTP is quick and easy and there aren't lots of categories etc. etc. to mess with
2. you can set a higher image price - I haven't done this, but it is a nice option
3. the people working there actually listen to us and communication is clear and goes both ways
4. the commission % is nice
5. A number of the images accepted into the GL collection are images that I particularly liked but other sites rejected - they aren't all the same old same old.
Sales there lately haven't been as good as they were in mid 2011 when I had a few EL sales (I joined in early 2011), but they do continue. I fear that customers haven't kept up with the massive influx of new images but hopefully with all of the new content the customers will follow.
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Not a contributor at GL but wondering if new/smaller distributors are not affected much more severely during the annual slowdown than the more established agencies?
Maybe it will get back on track in March?
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It's been pretty stable there. I'd love to see them keep growing though. I'm probably due for some more uploading there.
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2010 - 13 (from March)
2011 - 14
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My sales at GL weren't bad in Dec, considering the normal Christmas slowdown. And I've had some sales in January. GL is still one of my favorite sites. Fair reviews, easy uploading, and very fair pay rates.
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As long as I get an occasional sale that nets me $3, I'll stick with them.
Their site has a clean look and they don't seem to be taking in a lot of junk. If I a look at their "recently added" page I get the feeling the reviewers have designers' eyes.
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After a dead October and November, I got one $15 sale around Christmas and two $6 sales this year already.
I like the higher prices and the higher royalty-%. Granted, sales are very slow, but since uploading with StockSubmitter is easy, I'll stick with them.
I'm curious what their new layout will bring; more customers? more traffic? more sales? Let's hope so.
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are most of the sales still vector or graphics?
I wonder when it is going to use GL images instead of graphicsleftovers..
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I had a few sales every month but now since I'm 20 cents away from payout sales have suddenly stopped, how strange and mysterious!?!
Only in Micostock right ::)
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I had a few sales every month but now since I'm 20 cents away from payout sales have suddenly stopped, how strange and mysterious!?!
Only in Micostock right ::)
it will show up ahah have 2 this month
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I had a few sales every month but now since I'm 20 cents away from payout sales have suddenly stopped, how strange and mysterious!?!
Only in Micostock right ::)
it will show up ahah have 2 this month
Yes, I usually get 1-2 per month. Provided they keep their commission percentages and prices fairly high, I will keep supporting them. Honestly I do better with GL than I ever did with LuckyOliver.
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I had a few sales every month but now since I'm 20 cents away from payout sales have suddenly stopped, how strange and mysterious!?!
Only in Micostock right ::)
it will show up ahah have 2 this month
Pfew, at least you didn't yell at me for digging out an old topic. It's just that I hate to waste forum space with new whinings :P
So it's official, Louis will be the buyer of my next sale on GL, if not, he's banned from this forum...and microstock...and Portugal…and this site
http://louissantostattoo.com/ (http://louissantostattoo.com/)
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I uploaded only ~400 photos to GL until now; and I got 5 sales in 2012. Not really encouraging to upload the rest of my portfolio...
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I had a few sales every month but now since I'm 20 cents away from payout sales have suddenly stopped, how strange and mysterious!?!
Only in Micostock right ::)
it will show up ahah have 2 this month
Pfew, at least you didn't yell at me for digging out an old topic. It's just that I hate to waste forum space with new whinings :P
So it's official, Louis will be the buyer of my next sale on GL, if not, he's banned from this forum...and microstock...and Portugal…and this site
[url]http://louissantostattoo.com/[/url] ([url]http://louissantostattoo.com/[/url])
ahahahah its a cool website but ain´t mine :D
I am too poor to purchase anything :D
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I have a couple hundred there and I might get 2 sales in a month, netting 50 cents or maybe a dollar.
There's been a lot of talk here about supporting new sites - is it worthwhile. or are we just going to a lot of trouble to help someone siphon off a few sales from SS and pay us the same or less?
At PD you'll never get more than a dollar or two, and with sales so low, I see no reason to continue. At GL, prices are higher. But neither site has the potential for that rare but lucrative sale of an extended license at a good commission (am I correct on that?). I think small sites should at least give you the illusion that you might hit the jackpot once in a great while :-) This week I had a sale at SS that paid me $62. Why do I want to undercut SS at this point?
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Love to see them grow, knowledgable people, etc. This might just be the problem with GL, too graphic, perfect, etc, an ordinary, down to earth buyer simply cant associate with them, too stylish, etc.
Might be a smarter move to simply sell macro/micro. Theyre trying to target a group that can afford, only most of todays buyers havent got a pot to piss in. Difficult.
Also its far too much exposure of "pretty" images, especially stylish models posing, often against white, etc. In this digital agency jungle, you have to be a generalist agency to even stand a chance to survive.
Thats a lesson we have learnt from both, Stones-worlwide and Image-Bank.
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Nice site. Needs customers.
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Seen pretty steady growth with them. Hovering around $100 per month.
Like the site, like the people. Definitely one I will be supporting into the future even if sales aren't stellar.
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Still nothing, 60 cents from payout, lots of new images (added in GL Collection), few sales every month before, now nada in June/July.
What am I to think of this?.
I wouldn't read into it too much. I get a payout there every month, so there isn't any sort of conspiracy.
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Microbius, are you an illustrator?
I have a feeling illustrators do best on mid/low earners like BS, CS and GL.
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Yes, mainly an illustrator, not sure if I do better than photographers on the smaller sites or not, GL is about 1-2% of my micro income.
BS does more than GL for me, CS less but none of these make up more than 3% I would say.
SS and IS are far and away the biggest earners for me, just like for photogs
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers. I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income. That's with 6500 images.
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers. I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income. That's with 6500 images.
can´t be 0% ;D
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers. I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income. That's with 6500 images.
can´t be 0% ;D
Tell that to my MS Office Spreadsheet. ;)
I do my stats in a spreadsheet every month and fractions less than 1% show as 0%. If it's less than 1%, I am not going to fret over working out exactly how tiny a fraction of a % it actually is. FWIW there are several sites that are higher than GL and still show as 0%, so it is really down there.
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers. I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income. That's with 6500 images.
Wow, okay then I guess illustrators do do better at GL.
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO, do photography.
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO, do photography.
Graphics - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics)
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO, do photography.
Graphics - [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics[/url])
Sure! known that for around 30 years but buyers, micro buyers, do they know? doubt it! and thats the whole point. What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers. I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income. That's with 6500 images.
can´t be 0% ;D
Tell that to my MS Office Spreadsheet. ;)
I do my stats in a spreadsheet every month and fractions less than 1% show as 0%. If it's less than 1%, I am not going to fret over working out exactly how tiny a fraction of a % it actually is. FWIW there are several sites that are higher than GL and still show as 0%, so it is really down there.
sure I was kidding ;)
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What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.
Amen to that! I find most of what I know to be more and more irrelevant generally ;) :'(
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What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.
Amen to that! I find most of what I know to be more and more irrelevant generally ;) :'(
Yeah, same here and especially in micro, hey? :)
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO, do photography.
Graphics - [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics[/url])
Sure! known that for around 30 years but buyers, micro buyers, do they know? doubt it! and thats the whole point. What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.
You've lost me. Why wouldn't buyers know that photography is included in the definition of 'graphics'?
I always thought that illustrations do better on GL because they've had a head start. Uploading photography was only allowed there recently, wasn't it?
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO, do photography.
Graphics - [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics[/url])
Sure! known that for around 30 years but buyers, micro buyers, do they know? doubt it! and thats the whole point. What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.
You've lost me. Why wouldn't buyers know that photography is included in the definition of 'graphics'?
I always thought that illustrations do better on GL because they've had a head start. Uploading photography was only allowed there recently, wasn't it?
Blimey! why is it so hard to grasp? some agencies are from buyers point of view, associated with Video, some with 3D, some with News, some with Illustrations/drawings and some with Photography, etc, etc, etc.
The name, "Graphic" is more associated with illustrations rather then photography, simple as that. Or else some clients that I did send to GL, wouldnt ask me: do they also do Photography? would they?
best.
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Blimey! why is it so hard to grasp? some agencies are from buyers point of view, associated with Video, some with 3D, some with News, some with Illustrations/drawings and some with Photography, etc, etc, etc.
The name, "Graphic" is more associated with illustrations rather then photography, simple as that. Or else some clients that I did send to GL, wouldnt ask me: do they also do Photography? would they?
best.
Maybe I can't understand why you would assume all buyers are stupid just because a few ditzy ones asked you that question.
The word "graphic" is not more associated with "illustrations" rather than photography. The word graphic has always been associated with anything graphic which includes photography. The word "illustration" - despite it including photography - is associated with vectors etc, rather than photography, but that's because stock photo sites have differentiated it that way. The word "graphic" hasn't really been used that way. When we use the word "graphic design" we know it includes photography. Graphic designers are buyers so I can't understand why you would think they wouldn't associate the word "graphic" with photography as well as other images.
That aside though, it's still interesting to see that GL favors illustrations rather than photos.
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I would associate "graphic" more with illustrations, I guess because of the overlap between graphic designer and illustrator (when we are talking about vector illustrations), and because I would just say "photo" when I mean photo. But then again that could just be me.
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I would associate "graphic" more with illustrations, I guess because of the overlap between graphic designer and illustrator (when we are talking about vector illustrations), and because I would just say "photo" when I mean photo. But then again that could just be me.
You mean the overlap between graphic artist and illustrator but the keyword there is 'artist' and that's why they're disassociated from photography. With graphic design it's all about composition and layout of text, illustrations, photography, backgrounds and any element they use.
I don't know, maybe it's just me then. Maybe I should assume all buyers are stupid ;D
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Or maybe because the term "graphic photographer" doesn't exist, as the the "graphic" part would be redundant?
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I would associate "graphic" more with illustrations, I guess because of the overlap between graphic designer and illustrator (when we are talking about vector illustrations), and because I would just say "photo" when I mean photo. But then again that could just be me.
Exactly! spot on! graphic design, etc, etc, much more associated with illustrations, drawings then plain and simple photography. Back in the old film days there was an agency called " photo-graphics" Ltd, all photos of layouts and designs for sale. Ofcourse nobody consulted them for conventional photography.
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I would associate "graphic" more with illustrations, I guess because of the overlap between graphic designer and illustrator (when we are talking about vector illustrations), and because I would just say "photo" when I mean photo. But then again that could just be me.
You mean the overlap between graphic artist and illustrator but the keyword there is 'artist' and that's why they're disassociated from photography. With graphic design it's all about composition and layout of text, illustrations, photography, backgrounds and any element they use.
I don't know, maybe it's just me then. Maybe I should assume all buyers are stupid ;D
Youre right in assuming buyers are stupid! I mean lets face it, they buy our micro pics. :D
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For whatever reason, be it confusion about the name "Graphic" Leftovers, or because when GL started out they were more focused on illustration, 3d renders, etc. (they only began accepting people photography a bit over a year ago), or some other reason, the fact remains that illustrators seem to do a LOT better on GL than photographers.
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I do both photography and illustration. My meager sales on GL have been a 50% split been the two but the photos that have sold have been quite GRAPHIC.
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For whatever reason, be it confusion about the name "Graphic" Leftovers, or because when GL started out they were more focused on illustration, 3d renders, etc. (they only began accepting people photography a bit over a year ago), or some other reason, the fact remains that illustrators seem to do a LOT better on GL than photographers.
Correct, 100%.
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Sorry to go back to it again, but I feel really silly now. Have been thinking while away from the computer.
Graphic is from the Greek to write (γραφω to γραφικός), graphics really means drawings. As in calligraphy (καλοι-γραφω)= good writing/ drawing. Photo-graphy is "drawing with light" (φως=light: φωτο-γραφία). I can speak Greek too, but wasn't thinking too deeply.
This is why (some) people feel graphics refers more to illustration, it does. The graphic part of photo-graphic is there because photos are like illustrations made with light.
Feel better now.
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Sorry to go back to it again, but I feel really silly now. Have been thinking while away from the computer.
Graphic is from the Greek to write (γραφω to γραφικός), graphics really means drawings. As in calligraphy (καλοι-γραφω)= good writing/ drawing. Photo-graphy is "drawing with light" (φως=light: φωτο-γραφία). I can speak Greek too, but wasn't thinking too deeply.
This is why (some) people feel graphics refers more to illustration, it does. The graphic part of photo-graphic is there because photos are like illustrations made with light.
Feel better now.
Youve really investigated in it! good! more then most ppl, do here. Yes and Im sure many buyers looks upon GL in this manner, they somehow associate GL more with graphics, illustrations then photography. No harm in that ofcourse but it does reflect on saLES OF FILES.
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I don't want to seem like I spent ages looking into it ;) I just had to switch my brain to thinking about in Greek really, which for some reason I didn't in the spur of the moment. It's a good habit to get into whenever you are having a discussion on semantics, as most words have either Greek or Latin roots.
NB One more connection I didn't make. "Graphics" is searched for as much as "illustrations" on SS (according to darkroom). I don't think anyone looking for a photo is using the word "graphics" to search for it so I guess buyers use the word for illustrations too.
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Sorry to go back to it again, but I feel really silly now. Have been thinking while away from the computer.
Graphic is from the Greek to write (γραφω to γραφικός), graphics really means drawings. As in calligraphy (καλοι-γραφω)= good writing/ drawing. Photo-graphy is "drawing with light" (φως=light: φωτο-γραφία). I can speak Greek too, but wasn't thinking too deeply.
This is why (some) people feel graphics refers more to illustration, it does. The graphic part of photo-graphic is there because photos are like illustrations made with light.
Feel better now.
Youve really investigated in it! good! more then most ppl, do here. Yes and Im sure many buyers looks upon GL in this manner, they somehow associate GL more with graphics, illustrations then photography. No harm in that ofcourse but it does reflect on saLES OF FILES.
Microbius, looks like you picked that up straight from Wiki, which is wrong. The word 'photography' doesn't come from two Greek words otherwise it would be 'phosgraphy'. It comes from two Latin words: 'foto' which means 'light' and 'grafia' which means 'write/draw'. In Greek a drawing or design is actually σχέδιο not 'γραφω' which means 'write'. I'm Greek by the way and I've never associated the word "Graphics" with drawings just because γραφω or γράφει means to write. I've always associated it with the actual defined meaning of the word and have to assume that most others go by the actual definition too. I really don't believe people sit there deciphering a word by looking at ancient Greek or Latin meanings when we have modern day dictionaries available to us. There is no real ancient Latin or Greek word for 'photography' because photography never existed back then.
As I've mentioned earlier, buyers probably relate the word "illustration" to images that aren't photography because the stock industry has used the word to mean any image other than a photograph - even though photos are in fact illustrations. However, I don't believe this has happened with the word "graphics".
Buyers probably don't associate GL with photos because GL didn't have them in the beginning. Buyers probably checked them out back in '08 when they started up and found that they didn't have photos and that's probably why photos don't do well there. Aside from that, vector artists would have better placement in the search rankings because they signed up first years before photographers.
I'd say it's probably only a matter of time before photographers catch up and it wouldn't hurt if GL marketed the site to make more buyers aware that they now include photos.
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Absoloutely! thay should market the site a LOT MORE! its a smashing site with knowledgable people, so lets take advatage of that. Please.
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I think Lisa hits the nail on the head here:
For whatever reason, be it confusion about the name "Graphic" Leftovers, or because when GL started out they were more focused on illustration, 3d renders, etc. (they only began accepting people photography a bit over a year ago), or some other reason, the fact remains that illustrators seem to do a LOT better on GL than photographers.
It may be taking time for word to spread on their growing stock of photographs. Surely changing the name to 'GL' was a part of their strategy to change the perception that they are 'illustrations only' resource. In the meantime, their established buyers who know them well are still buying illustrations like billy-o (whoever he is).
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Microbius, looks like you picked that up straight from Wiki, which is wrong. The word 'photography' doesn't come from two Greek words otherwise it would be 'phosgraphy'. It comes from two Latin words: 'foto' which means 'light' and 'grafia' which means 'write/draw'. In Greek a drawing or design is actually σχέδιο not 'γραφω' which means 'write'. I'm Greek by the way and I've never associated the word "Graphics" with drawings just because γραφω or γράφει means to write.
Errr. no i didn't go to the wiki article, I actually missed the link in this thread, I just had the initial post then went away and thought about it.
I am not a native speaker so I have to go with your greater knowledge of Greek, could you tell me how you would use the word light in Greek this context:
"the wavelength of light ranges from deep red to violet"
I had thought φωτός (photos) was the correct word in Greek, as in:
το μήκος κύματος του φωτός κυμαίνεται από βαθύ κόκκινο έως ιώδες
i.e. the genitive form.
As far as the Latin goes that is even rustier than my Greek, but isn't light "lux" not "foto", in fact, I can't think that foto is actually a Latin word at all, any references for that?
Ditto "graphia", as draw is "ducere" and write "scribere"
Are you sure you aren't mixing up your languages or perchance pulling random words out of the air?
ETA: now I have been searching online and in my dictionary and all sources seem to concur that, yes photography is from the Greek, it would be great if you could provide a source that says it is from the Latin
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..... I really don't believe people sit there deciphering a word by looking at ancient Greek or Latin meanings.....
Me neither, but I do think that they associate the word graphics more with illustrations than photos, and you made that point that they don't because photography ends in graphy, and called people that thought otherwise stupid. Then you accused me of pilfering from Wikipedia. Then it all got defensive, but that's what happens when you start flinging invectives.
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Errr. no i didn't go to the wiki article, I actually missed the link in this thread, I just had the initial post then went away and thought about it.
I am not a native speaker so I have to go with your greater knowledge of Greek, could you tell me how you would use the word light in Greek this context:
"the wavelength of light ranges from deep red to violet"
I had thought φωτός (photos) was the correct word in Greek, as in:
το μήκος κύματος του φωτός κυμαίνεται από βαθύ κόκκινο έως ιώδες
i.e. the genitive form.
As far as the Latin goes that is even rustier than my Greek, but isn't light "lux" not "foto", in fact, I can't think that foto is actually a Latin word at all, any references for that?
Ditto "graphia", as draw is "ducere" and write "scribere"
Are you sure you aren't mixing up your languages or perchance pulling random words out of the air?
ETA: now I have been searching online and in my dictionary and all sources seem to concur that, yes photography is from the Greek, it would be great if you could provide a source that says it is from the Latin
φωτός is not in the greek dictionery.
http://kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon (http://kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon)
It's not in my hard copy dictionery either.
φως is the word for light. φώτα is the plural. Photo is φωτογραφία which was probably derived in recent times the same as photography.
Are you using google translator or something?
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Using your dictionary link:
Το λεξικό βρήκε 1 λέξη.
The dictionary found 1 word.
φωτός τού = light ( gen )
fotos tou
ETA: Oooops sorry, tick ancient Greek
Double ETA:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82 (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82)
Noun
φωτός n (fotós)
Genitive singular form of φως.
Triple ETA, if you wait till tonight I can phone my friend who's a modern Greek teacher and is also fluent in ancient Greek for more details. Maybe it is a form of the word not often used outside of text books? Also mainland Greek can be very different from Cypriot Greek so maybe that's it?
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..... I really don't believe people sit there deciphering a word by looking at ancient Greek or Latin meanings.....
Me neither, but I do think that they associate the word graphics more with illustrations than photos, and you made that point that they don't because photography ends in graphy, and called people that thought otherwise stupid. Then you accused me of pilfering from Wikipedia. Then it all got defensive, but that's what happens when you start flinging invectives.
It all got defensive? I'm certainly not defensive, are you? You were using Greek words and since I'm Greek I corrected them. I also didn't accuse you of using wiki, I said it looks like you picked up the meaning from there. I was actually looking for a good source but there's none on the net. Wiki gives your definition with a Greek meaning and Wiki answers gives it with a Latin meaning. I remember reading in a photography history text book when I was young that it was derived from the Latin words and it made sense to me because I'm Greek because φωτό is not the correct Greek word for 'light'.
Also I didn't call buyers stupid, Lagareek did (in a roundabout way) when he wrote after someone posted the definition of the word "graphics"
"Sure! known that for around 30 years but buyers, micro buyers, do they know? doubt it! and thats the whole point. What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.
After the majority here said they associate the word 'graphics' with illustrations only, I jokingly said that maybe I should assume buyers are stupid too. I wasn't calling anyone here stupid and still believe the majority of people associate the word graphics with all imagery because that's how it's defined.
If you've assumed I got defensive, then you've assumed wrong. I'm just offering my opinion about the word which I find interesting particularly because I reference it in my username.
I'm also interested in the reason why GL favors illustrators. I'd like to see the site grow because apart from the lack of sales (for me), I can't fault too much of the site and its terms.
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Okay just realised the problem. I didn't explain my original example well. The reason I went on about wavelength is that it is the word for light when something belongs to it. Like its wavelength. I should have given a definition for genitive. It is used where "light's" would be used in English.
Are you a native speaker or second generation, I guess maybe that is why you don't know it?
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If you've assumed I got defensive, then you've assumed wrong. I'm just offering my opinion about the word which I find interesting particularly because I reference it in my username.
I'm also interested in the reason why GL favors illustrators. I'd like to see the site grow because apart from the lack of sales (for me), I can't fault too much of the site and its terms.
I am sorry for jumping to the wrong conclusion, and I agree that the site is a good one. I'm now just interested in the word too!
As far as I can work out the stuff about Latin is just completely and utterly wrong. Neither of the two words is actually Latin, I think I found that one reference you cited on wiki answers, but nothing else at all.
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Using your dictionary link:
Το λεξικό βρήκε 1 λέξη.
The dictionary found 1 word.
φωτός τού = light ( gen )
fotos tou
ETA: Oooops sorry, tick ancient Greek
Double ETA:
[url]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82[/url] ([url]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82[/url])
Noun
φωτός n (fotós)
Genitive singular form of φως.
Triple ETA, if you wait till tonight I can phone my friend who's a modern Greek teacher and is also fluent in ancient Greek for more details. Maybe it is a form of the word not often used outside of text books? Also mainland Greek can be very different from Cypriot Greek so maybe that's it?
lol If you like but we never use the word φωτός and it's not in the Greek dictionery or in the Greek/English dictionery I have sitting besides me. Perhaps it is ancient. Perhaps I'm wrong and perhaps my photography text book was wrong. Who knows but I still believe buyers (graphic designers) don't associate GL with photos only. We can speculate all we like but unless we survey a bunch of buyers we'll never know.
Regardless though, I still believe GL needs to promote the photography side of their business to bring in more designers. That should benefit both photographers and illustrators.
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Fair enough, it was an interesting discussion. Thanks
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It all got defensive? I'm certainly not defensive, are you? You were using Greek words and since I'm Greek I corrected them.
You must know that there's a difference between modern Greek and ancient Greek, but may not know that derivatives in English come from ancient Greek, often via Latin, (as you suggested), not modern Greek.
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I think that φωτός is actually the genitive singular for φως in modern Greek too, but how often do you use the genitive singular for light outside of a physics or poetry book?
I would guess very rarely, if ever. Maybe in Greek it is never used outside of Physics.
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If you've assumed I got defensive, then you've assumed wrong. I'm just offering my opinion about the word which I find interesting particularly because I reference it in my username.
I'm also interested in the reason why GL favors illustrators. I'd like to see the site grow because apart from the lack of sales (for me), I can't fault too much of the site and its terms.
I am sorry for jumping to the wrong conclusion, and I agree that the site is a good one. I'm now just interested in the word too!
As far as I can work out the stuff about Latin is just completely and utterly wrong. Neither of the two words is actually Latin, I think I found that one reference you cited on wiki answers, but nothing else at all.
It's all good but now you've got me sifting through Greek stuff and Latin dictionaries. My folks would be so proud ;D
Let me know what your friend says because now I'm doubting myself.
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Okay just realised the problem. I didn't explain my original example well. The reason I went on about wavelength is that it is the word for light when something belongs to it. Like its wavelength. I should have given a definition for genitive. It is used where "light's" would be used in English.
Are you a native speaker or second generation, I guess maybe that is why you don't know it?
I missed this post, sorry.
I had thought φωτός (photos) was the correct word in Greek, as in:
το μήκος κύματος του φωτός κυμαίνεται από βαθύ κόκκινο έως ιώδες
i.e. the genitive form.
I didn't respond to this because I don't recognize the word φωτός. μήκος κύματος seems right, length in Greek is μήκος and wave is κύμα, but φωτός isn't a word that I know so I assumed you might have picked it up from google translator?
My parents were born in Greece but I wasn't. We did speak it at home and I did go to Greek school. We didn't study photography though :)
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It all got defensive? I'm certainly not defensive, are you? You were using Greek words and since I'm Greek I corrected them.
You must know that there's a difference between modern Greek and ancient Greek, but may not know that derivatives in English come from ancient Greek, often via Latin, (as you suggested), not modern Greek.
Yes true but I can't find the word 'foto' in the online Latin dictionery, so now I'm not so sure. It is Spanish though. Who knows, maybe the wikipedia folks wrote my photography text book back in the day before they had the internet to mess up ;D
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I think that φωτός is actually the genitive singular for φως in modern Greek too, but how often do you use the genitive singular for light outside of a physics or poetry book?
I would guess very rarely, if ever. Maybe in Greek it is never used outside of Physics.
Wouldn't φωτός be in the my dictioneries though? We do use the singular word for light 'φός' quite often, eg. ανάβω τό φός - turning on the light.
We've turned this thread into a Greek class ;D Would anyone mind?
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how would you write light in this sentence in Greek:
πατάω τό κουμπί του LIGHT
I think that maybe that would be φωτός, if you ever structured the sentence like that in Greek.
Check out this article in the Greek Wikipedia, it's there in the title:
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A4%CE%B1%CF%87%CF%8D%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B1_%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85_%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82 (http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A4%CE%B1%CF%87%CF%8D%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B1_%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85_%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82)
The "speed of light" in Greek is:
Ταχύτητα του φωτός
As far as it not being in the dictionary, I think that is in the same way as "light" is in the English dictionary but not "light's"
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Again, used a lot in this article when referring to properties of light:
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CE%BA%CF%84%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%B1_%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82 (http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CE%BA%CF%84%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%B1_%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82)
Once you start looking up science stuff in Greek on light it comes up a lot. I guess that's case closed?
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how would you write light in this sentence in Greek:
πατάω τό κουμπί του LIGHT
I think that maybe that would be φωτός, if you ever structured the sentence like that in Greek.
definitely φός. πατάω τό κουμπί του φός - I'm pressing the light button.
Check out this article in the Greek Wikipedia, it's there in the title:
[url]http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A4%CE%B1%CF%87%CF%8D%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B1_%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85_%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82[/url] ([url]http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A4%CE%B1%CF%87%CF%8D%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B1_%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85_%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82[/url])
The "speed of light" in Greek is:
Ταχύτητα του φωτός
I don't really trust wiki. It could be translated using a dodgy translator. That's what most sites do and eventually they get real people to translate them (if they can afford it or find more people to donate their time).
As far as it not being in the dictionary, I think that is in the same way as "light" is in the English dictionary but not "light's"
No, both sigular and plural are there and just so you don't think I'm talking out of my a55 here's a snapshot of the page.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8431/7575247468_3d5e6f5ccb_c.jpg)
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Again, used a lot in this article when referring to properties of light:
[url]http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CE%BA%CF%84%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%B1_%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82[/url] ([url]http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CE%BA%CF%84%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%B1_%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82[/url])
Once you start looking up science stuff in Greek on light it comes up a lot. I guess that's case closed?
Perhaps science uses the ancient use of the word. Lol not really case closed for me but maybe case closed on this thread since we've taken it completely off course. I'd be interested to see what your teacher friend says though. Maybe PM me so we don't bore anyone else?
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Could someone shoot me a sitemail or something when this thread goes back on topic?
I was interested in sales at GL, but a bit tired of reading dozens of posts back and forth arguing semantics and ancient languages... :P
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Thanks for taking the time for the photo. Sorry, not plural, possessives, genitive singular. Light's not lights.
Honestly, have a search for anything on the speed of light in Greek and it is referred to the same way.
Ταχύτητα του φωτός
Or ray of light:
Ακτίνα φωτός
http://www.physics4u.gr/news/2000/scnews42.html (http://www.physics4u.gr/news/2000/scnews42.html)
www. youtube.com/watch?v=oLjGJOP9Cb4#]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLjGJOP9Cb4#Η ταχύτητα του φωτός
Could you humor me and try asking your parents, I have a feeling that it is one of those things that you have to be a native speaker to know.
I will definitely ask my friend this evening too.
ETA sorry Lisa, I will stop posting now!
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Thanks for taking the time for the photo. Sorry, not plural, possessives, genitive singular. Light's not lights.
Honestly, have a search for anything on the speed of light in Greek and it is referred to the same way.
Ταχύτητα του φωτός
Or ray of light:
Ακτίνα φωτός
Could you humor me and try asking your parents, I have a feeling that it is one of those things that you have to be a native speaker to know.
I will definitely ask my friend this evening too.
ETA sorry Lisa, I will stop posting now!
LOL I knew this had to be boring people, sorry Lisa. Last post just to answer Microbius' question. I'm interested in sales at GL too.
We don't use possessives in Greek the same way as we do in the English language. The word light 'φως' (I was spelling it wrong all this time) remains the same but for light's it's 'του φως' in modern Greek. 'του φωτός' is likely to be ancient?
As for my parents, they're no longer with us otherwise I would have called them. Your teacher friend is probably more reliable as I have a feeling it's ancient Greek.
On a side note, if anyone has a problem with the Greek Lesson 101, I don't have a problem having these posts deleted if you don't Microbius.
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Yeah no problem at all, or even moved to off topic!
As it is going anyway.........
In reply to the last post, possessives are usually different from simple nouns in Greek like:
άνθρωπος, singular
του ανθρώπου, singular possessive
ανθρωποι, plural
ανθρώπων, plural possessive
and so on.
I may expect light to be του φωτόυ but του φως that would be really strange?
Give me any other noun and it is the same (though obviously male, female or neutral gender). If it isn't the case with "light" it will be the only one I can think of that is the same in the singular and genitive singular
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Yeah no problem at all, or even moved to off topic!
As it is going anyway.........
In reply to the last post, possessives are usually different from simple nouns in Greek like:
άνθρωπος, singular
του ανθρώπου, singular possessive
ανθρωποι, plural
ανθρώπων, plural possessive
and so on.
I may expect light to be του φωτόυ but του φως that would be really strange?
Give me any other noun and it is the same (though obviously male, female or neutral gender). If it isn't the case with "light" it will be the only one I can think of that is the same in the singular and genitive singular
hmmm, not sure but you're right, 'του φως' must be wrong. You were right in a previous post when you mentioned that I would never use the word 'light's' in casual speak, but still, both 'του φωτόυ' and 'του φωτoς' look wrong to me. Maybe 'του φωτιoυ'? lol I don't know. We'll have to wait for your expert Greek teacher friend.
PS, sorry Lisa :)
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On my droid no so no Greek words but defo correct with "photos", button example and speed of light were correct and it is modern, not ancient Greek
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I've asked around and looked into this further to finally put it to bed.
Φῶς is the singular nominative use of the word 'light' while φωτός is the singular genitive (possessive) use of the word.
The thing that confused me was αχτίδα φωτός - which is grammatically incorrect. Αχτίδα του φωτός is correct and according to a Greek pal, the Greek language has been bastardized in modern times and αχτίδα φωτός has become the norm. This explains why I couldn't get my head around it and why it made no sense to me. Possessives as in 'ray of light' could either be αχτίδα του φωτός (sg) or αχτίδα των φώτων (pl). When using the word 'of' we add του (or similar depending on gender) in front of the noun and ούς, ος ού, ών or έν etc at the end of the word. For instance 'house of God' would be σπίτι του θεού. House of dogs is σπίτι των σκύλων. I don't know how true the bit about the bastardization of the Greek language is but I dug around on the net and found some sites that confirms what I was told.
Basic Greek Grammar, 6 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/57783975/Basic-Greek-Grammar-6#)
http://itisallgreektome.wordpress.com/2010/07/04/noun-declension-%E2%80%93-neuters-%CE%B9i/ (http://itisallgreektome.wordpress.com/2010/07/04/noun-declension-%E2%80%93-neuters-%CE%B9i/)
Anyway. Greek is a difficult language and most Greeks themselves can't fully grasp it. I can't believe how much time I've just wasted on one word ::)
Now back to GL.
Leaf can you move these 'Greek' posts somewhere else or delete them?
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Speaking of GL (not Greek), my acceptance rate has been about 91% for a couple of years (1400+ images). Now they seem all of a sudden to be rejecting heaps of batches, for no reason other than "we do not need this image.".
Anyone else finding the same weirdness?
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Added them to my blacklist because of these absurd reviews (join the club) and complete lack of sales.
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I had sale around 9days back of 1$ ....
Now they seem all of a sudden to be rejecting heaps of batches, for no reason other than "we do not need this image.".
Anyone else finding the same weirdness?
Yes rejecting rate has increased here too.. not uploading from many days(or months) now
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Until they do a lot more advertising, etc, letting buyers, potential buyers know they also house photography, Im afraid it will remain quiet.
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Until they do a lot more advertising, etc, letting buyers, potential buyers know they also house photography, Im afraid it will remain quiet.
i stopped sending them anything long ago - the usual gruesome pairing or ridiculous reivews and low sales