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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2012, 08:41 »
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Besides, at this point does anything beyond 20MP offer any financial advantage to the contributor? Isn't the highest commission threshold around 20MP? So a 36MP would give the buyer a much bigger image for the same price and the contributor still gets the same XXXL commission for dropping $3K large on a sparkly new camera. Or am I missing something?
XXXL square compositions will be possible now with a little room to spare.

I must be missing something. Why is the ability to make square images worth me spending $3K?

Probably not by itself, but side by side the 5D II looks and handles like a 4 year old camera. We'll see what Canon comes up with this year, but the Nikon has improvements in almost every respect over the 5D 2, even if it doesn't necessarily look that way on paper.


« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2012, 17:59 »
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Besides, at this point does anything beyond 20MP offer any financial advantage to the contributor? Isn't the highest commission threshold around 20MP? So a 36MP would give the buyer a much bigger image for the same price and the contributor still gets the same XXXL commission for dropping $3K large on a sparkly new camera. Or am I missing something?
XXXL square compositions will be possible now with a little room to spare.

I must be missing something. Why is the ability to make square images worth me spending $3K?

Probably not by itself, but side by side the 5D II looks and handles like a 4 year old camera. We'll see what Canon comes up with this year, but the Nikon has improvements in almost every respect over the 5D 2, even if it doesn't necessarily look that way on paper.

I looked at a couple samples and the noise patterns were kind of funky. Some of the darker and bokeh'd areas had noise somewhat similar to point and shoot. Kinda chunky and blobby instead of grainy.

I had three Nikons and never really liked my D300. The image quality was just off. I'm not jumping ship anytime soon unless Canon decides to do what Nikon did and wait for 2-3 years to release a higher-res DSLR.

« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2012, 18:28 »
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So, can we expect response from Canon? What is with MK3, just rumors or...?

« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2012, 19:27 »
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So, can we expect response from Canon? What is with MK3, just rumors or...?


http://www.canonrumors.com

antistock

« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2012, 02:24 »
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D800 is using the new 36MP sony sensor.

Canon has nothing of that class, the MK3 will barely be 24MP i think.

besides, what do you guys expect ? Canon is the Acer of photography, the 5D2 was the cheapest FX camera to start with ! good sensor and all, but the usual cheap-as-s plastic body.

i'm too a bit fed up with nikon's image quality sometimes, but feeling a nikon body in my hand is so manly compared to canon, i've big hands i can't stand canon toys, and i can't see why people keep saying these cameras are too heavy, what they want a powershot-sized FX body with pink HelloKitty lenses ?

female photographers should just forget about using a DSLR.

« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2012, 03:17 »
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D800 is using the new 36MP sony sensor.

Canon has nothing of that class, the MK3 will barely be 24MP i think.

It's in fact a Nikon-developed sensor, not Sony. You'd better get your facts right before writing. Also, the Canon will be around 22 MP according to rumors.
Nevertheless, I am rather dissappointed with D800 sample images. Noise in all of them and around iso 360 the noise is worse than APSC level (look at the yellow flowers landscape, around the water). Also, the images are sharpened in post-processing, you can clearly see that. 36 MP is way overkill for FF and the D800 is nowhere near MF quality, as some claimed.
I believe that if Canon release a fast focusing, fast fps 22 MP 5d3, it'll be a winner.
D800 for what? Even for landscapes, you'll need to downsize or denoise a lot of your images.
Users with D700 will be frustrated for the drop in fps from 8 to 4, I have a few nikonists friends who are looking forward for Canon announcement.

« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2012, 05:30 »
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D800 is using the new 36MP sony sensor.

Canon has nothing of that class, the MK3 will barely be 24MP i think.

It's in fact a Nikon-developed sensor, not Sony. You'd better get your facts right before writing. Also, the Canon will be around 22 MP according to rumors.
Nevertheless, I am rather dissappointed with D800 sample images. Noise in all of them and around iso 360 the noise is worse than APSC level (look at the yellow flowers landscape, around the water). Also, the images are sharpened in post-processing, you can clearly see that. 36 MP is way overkill for FF and the D800 is nowhere near MF quality, as some claimed.
I believe that if Canon release a fast focusing, fast fps 22 MP 5d3, it'll be a winner.
D800 for what? Even for landscapes, you'll need to downsize or denoise a lot of your images.
Users with D700 will be frustrated for the drop in fps from 8 to 4, I have a few nikonists friends who are looking forward for Canon announcement.

Canonrumors is now saying there could be a Canon with around 40MP but it won't be the 5DMIII.

« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2012, 05:44 »
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D800 is using the new 36MP sony sensor.

Canon has nothing of that class, the MK3 will barely be 24MP i think.

besides, what do you guys expect ? Canon is the Acer of photography, the 5D2 was the cheapest FX camera to start with ! good sensor and all, but the usual cheap-as-s plastic body.

i'm too a bit fed up with nikon's image quality sometimes, but feeling a nikon body in my hand is so manly compared to canon, i've big hands i can't stand canon toys, and i can't see why people keep saying these cameras are too heavy, what they want a powershot-sized FX body with pink HelloKitty lenses ?

female photographers should just forget about using a DSLR.

The 5DMII has a mostly magnesium alloy body.

Have you even held a 5DMII before? I doubt it. I had a D300 and the 5DMII was around the same size. Same goes for the D700 probably the D800. I have fairly large hands and the 5DMII feels more natural to me.

antistock

« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2012, 07:01 »
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D800 for what? Even for landscapes, you'll need to downsize or denoise a lot of your images.
Users with D700 will be frustrated for the drop in fps from 8 to 4, I have a few nikonists friends who are looking forward for Canon announcement.

i haven't seen the samples so i can't judge.

for landscape you shoot ISO200 with tripod so the issue is a non-issue.

it might be that D800 is the actual replacement of D3x instead of D700 ?

antistock

« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2012, 07:04 »
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D800 is using the new 36MP sony sensor.

Canon has nothing of that class, the MK3 will barely be 24MP i think.

besides, what do you guys expect ? Canon is the Acer of photography, the 5D2 was the cheapest FX camera to start with ! good sensor and all, but the usual cheap-as-s plastic body.

i'm too a bit fed up with nikon's image quality sometimes, but feeling a nikon body in my hand is so manly compared to canon, i've big hands i can't stand canon toys, and i can't see why people keep saying these cameras are too heavy, what they want a powershot-sized FX body with pink HelloKitty lenses ?

female photographers should just forget about using a DSLR.

The 5DMII has a mostly magnesium alloy body.

Have you even held a 5DMII before? I doubt it. I had a D300 and the 5DMII was around the same size. Same goes for the D700 probably the D800. I have fairly large hands and the 5DMII feels more natural to me.

for starters, Canon's shutter button is very gay compared to Nikon.
Canon is also too roundish and feels cheap.
size doesn't matter, i'm talking about the whole feeling, Nikon is simply so much robust and sturdy.

and if you really ask me, i would gladly go back to real bodies like Nikon F4 ...

« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2012, 07:14 »
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D800 is using the new 36MP sony sensor.

Canon has nothing of that class, the MK3 will barely be 24MP i think.

besides, what do you guys expect ? Canon is the Acer of photography, the 5D2 was the cheapest FX camera to start with ! good sensor and all, but the usual cheap-as-s plastic body.

i'm too a bit fed up with nikon's image quality sometimes, but feeling a nikon body in my hand is so manly compared to canon, i've big hands i can't stand canon toys, and i can't see why people keep saying these cameras are too heavy, what they want a powershot-sized FX body with pink HelloKitty lenses ?

female photographers should just forget about using a DSLR.

The 5DMII has a mostly magnesium alloy body.

Have you even held a 5DMII before? I doubt it. I had a D300 and the 5DMII was around the same size. Same goes for the D700 probably the D800. I have fairly large hands and the 5DMII feels more natural to me.

for starters, Canon's shutter button is very gay compared to Nikon.
Canon is also too roundish and feels cheap.
size doesn't matter, i'm talking about the whole feeling, Nikon is simply so much robust and sturdy.

and if you really ask me, i would gladly go back to real bodies like Nikon F4 ...

I like how you say "Canon" instead of 5DMII. So you've never held one or probably any mid-range to pro Canon body.

It's okay. Your decision to go with Nikon is fine. You don't need to feel insecure and defensive about it.

antistock

« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2012, 08:01 »
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sorry but you're wrong :)

2 yrs ago i was seriously switching to Canon, went 3-4 times in many shops, tried both the 7D and the 5D2 but each time they felt so awkyard in my hand, it was like .. what is this toy ??

even a D90 with battery grip feels stronger than a 5d2 or 7D.

for anything else we can talk, i don't deny canons in general can produce better images in some instances, but for me ergonomics is very very important.

« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2012, 08:11 »
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sorry but you're wrong :)

2 yrs ago i was seriously switching to Canon, went 3-4 times in many shops, tried both the 7D and the 5D2 but each time they felt so awkyard in my hand, it was like .. what is this toy ??

even a D90 with battery grip feels stronger than a 5d2 or 7D.

for anything else we can talk, i don't deny canons in general can produce better images in some instances, but for me ergonomics is very very important.

You talk through the back end of your trousers, you prefer Nikons theres nothing wrong with that but at least be honest about it. There is no way the 5DmkII  or the 7D handle like toys and as for the D90 feeling stronger thats just plain rubbish.

Druid

« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2012, 08:17 »
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for starters, Canon's shutter button is very gay compared to Nikon.
Canon is also too roundish and feels cheap.
size doesn't matter, i'm talking about the whole feeling, Nikon is simply so much robust and sturdy.


Strewth! Do you ever read the rubbish you write before you post it? Rather than just admit you are wrong about the 5D MkIIs construction and don't know what you are talking about you decide to complain that the shutter button is "gay" and the camera is "roundish". Frankly that's about the girliest assessment of a camera I've ever heard.

I started out with a 300D which actually does have a plastic (kevlar) body and I actually think it is a very good solution to providing a very robust body that is reasonably light. Metal fractures where kevlar bounces (and I know that from experience).

« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2012, 09:58 »
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sorry but you're wrong :)

2 yrs ago i was seriously switching to Canon, went 3-4 times in many shops, tried both the 7D and the 5D2 but each time they felt so awkyard in my hand, it was like .. what is this toy ??

even a D90 with battery grip feels stronger than a 5d2 or 7D.

for anything else we can talk, i don't deny canons in general can produce better images in some instances, but for me ergonomics is very very important.

You use "F4" to make it sound like you're an old pro from the glory days but you write like an immature teenager. I'm guessing teenager, and you've probably never held an F4 either.

So you were looking at a 5DII and 7D and decided to go with a D90? Right....... Why not a D700 or something more comparable?

Plus a D90 is basically a D80 with a D300 sensor. I've owned both a D80 and D300 and the D80/D90 is smaller and closer to a toy. I owned the 5DMII and D300 at the same time and compared them side by side. They are almost identical in size and to me feel pretty similar.

So, you just keep writing. I'm sure everybody finds you entertaining.

« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2012, 10:15 »
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D800 is using the new 36MP sony sensor.

Canon has nothing of that class, the MK3 will barely be 24MP i think.

besides, what do you guys expect ? Canon is the Acer of photography, the 5D2 was the cheapest FX camera to start with ! good sensor and all, but the usual cheap-as-s plastic body.

i'm too a bit fed up with nikon's image quality sometimes, but feeling a nikon body in my hand is so manly compared to canon, i've big hands i can't stand canon toys, and i can't see why people keep saying these cameras are too heavy, what they want a powershot-sized FX body with pink HelloKitty lenses ?

female photographers should just forget about using a DSLR.

The 5DMII has a mostly magnesium alloy body.

Have you even held a 5DMII before? I doubt it. I had a D300 and the 5DMII was around the same size. Same goes for the D700 probably the D800. I have fairly large hands and the 5DMII feels more natural to me.

for starters, Canon's shutter button is very gay compared to Nikon.
Canon is also too roundish and feels cheap.
size doesn't matter, i'm talking about the whole feeling, Nikon is simply so much robust and sturdy.

and if you really ask me, i would gladly go back to real bodies like Nikon F4 ...

Too 'gay' and 'roundish'. That's some valid criticism. I'm not sure what the issue is with even the cheapest plastic bodies. I've owned models up and down the line, and none of the bodies have even come close to falling apart or anything. In fact, my old 20D made it through several long-distance hiking trips where it got rained on, dropped on rocks, infested with midges, etc and still worked like a champ. I'll take the lightweight magnesium over old metal tanks any day.

« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2012, 10:21 »
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D800 is using the new 36MP sony sensor.

Canon has nothing of that class, the MK3 will barely be 24MP i think.

It's in fact a Nikon-developed sensor, not Sony. You'd better get your facts right before writing. Also, the Canon will be around 22 MP according to rumors.
Nevertheless, I am rather dissappointed with D800 sample images. Noise in all of them and around iso 360 the noise is worse than APSC level (look at the yellow flowers landscape, around the water). Also, the images are sharpened in post-processing, you can clearly see that. 36 MP is way overkill for FF and the D800 is nowhere near MF quality, as some claimed.
I believe that if Canon release a fast focusing, fast fps 22 MP 5d3, it'll be a winner.
D800 for what? Even for landscapes, you'll need to downsize or denoise a lot of your images.
Users with D700 will be frustrated for the drop in fps from 8 to 4, I have a few nikonists friends who are looking forward for Canon announcement.

Canonrumors is now saying there could be a Canon with around 40MP but it won't be the 5DMIII.

Yes, I read that too. I surely hope the rumor is wrong, I see absolutely no way to get better quality than 5D2 from a 40 MP full frame.

« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2012, 10:52 »
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If Nikon is offering a no-anti-aliasing version because the filter degrades image quality it sounds as if they have pushed the pixel-packing further than is sensible. Maybe Canon will offer a camera with a larger image area, equivalent to medium format, but that would mean a new lens line-up.

« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2012, 11:00 »
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I think they're aware of the enormous pixel density on the d800, that's why they served "workarounds". D800 images are most likely to be soft, lacking definition, so if you want something sharp, you'll get the D800E. But then you'll probably have moire issues so they'll provide you with Capture NX with moire removal option. This kind of "fixes" sound an alarm to me. Anyways, I'm quite eager for the reviews and real life image samples.

traveler1116

« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2012, 12:55 »
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It's in fact a Nikon-developed sensor, not Sony. You'd better get your facts right before writing.

Sorry where do you see that it is made by Nikon?  All I found says that it was made by Sony. 
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/nikon-d800-with-sonys-36-megapixel-sensor-announced/
http://sonyalphalab.com/2012/02/new-sony-36-mega-pixel-full-frame-sensor-in-the-nikon-d800-sensor-specs/

« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2012, 14:34 »
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It's in fact a Nikon-developed sensor, not Sony. You'd better get your facts right before writing.

Sorry where do you see that it is made by Nikon?  All I found says that it was made by Sony.  
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/nikon-d800-with-sonys-36-megapixel-sensor-announced/
http://sonyalphalab.com/2012/02/new-sony-36-mega-pixel-full-frame-sensor-in-the-nikon-d800-sensor-specs/


http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikond800/page3.asp

Read the paragraph "Sensor".

LE: if I'm correct, it's their first developed sensor, for a dslr.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 14:36 by Tabimura »

traveler1116

« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2012, 15:12 »
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It's in fact a Nikon-developed sensor, not Sony. You'd better get your facts right before writing.

Sorry where do you see that it is made by Nikon?  All I found says that it was made by Sony.  
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/nikon-d800-with-sonys-36-megapixel-sensor-announced/
http://sonyalphalab.com/2012/02/new-sony-36-mega-pixel-full-frame-sensor-in-the-nikon-d800-sensor-specs/


http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikond800/page3.asp

Read the paragraph "Sensor".

LE: if I'm correct, it's their first developed sensor, for a dslr.

Interesting, I think it would be their first as well.  I'm not sure why the dpreview article says: "It is also worth noting that the D800's sensor has a similar pixel pitch to the well-regarded 16MP D7000, which has very encouraging implications for image quality in both FX and DX capture modes." if the other sensor is made by Sony.

rinderart

« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2012, 15:31 »
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Too bad Nikon uses a proprietary raw format. This means D800E purchasers will have to wait for Adobe to reverse engineer the format and release a support update.

And about Canon and nikon.  I've done a lot of workshops and one on One classes, I always found it quite strange that 99% of women used Canon and the same for men and Nikon. Doesn't matter to me at all , Both great cameras Just an Observation...LOL

« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2012, 16:16 »
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Too bad Nikon uses a proprietary raw format. This means D800E purchasers will have to wait for Adobe to reverse engineer the format and release a support update.

And about Canon and nikon.  I've done a lot of workshops and one on One classes, I always found it quite strange that 99% of women used Canon and the same for men and Nikon. Doesn't matter to me at all , Both great cameras Just an Observation...LOL

Hey I am a Nikon gal... I guess I am that 1% then:) I'll be waiting on their new version of D3X though...

« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2012, 16:42 »
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Too bad Nikon uses a proprietary raw format. This means D800E purchasers will have to wait for Adobe to reverse engineer the format and release a support update.

And about Canon and nikon.  I've done a lot of workshops and one on One classes, I always found it quite strange that 99% of women used Canon and the same for men and Nikon. Doesn't matter to me at all , Both great cameras Just an Observation...LOL

I'm pretty sure Lightroom 4 which will come soon will support the new d800. They'll also release a new Camera Raw update, obviously.

Nikon and Canon - both make great cameras and I'm shooting part time also a d700 beside my 5D2, especially for sport or fast moving subjects. Their competition is always good for us. The main gripe I have with Nikon is their lenses - far below Canon's offer.


 

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