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Author Topic: General Thoughts on High End Equipment for MS Business  (Read 22618 times)

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tab62

« on: July 21, 2013, 12:26 »
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Recently, a friend of mind told me that I am crazy for spending the money I do for my side business.  For example, a high end camera body (i.e. Nikon D800) runs from $3,000 to $5,000 and a good lens will set you back another $1,000 to $3,000 plus the lighting equipment.   After I told him that the MS companies pay about $.60 per images with some paying a little as $.10 he almost fell down laughing at me!

So the question begs to be ask- do the MS companies deserve such high end equipment? Or are we forced do so since they will not accept an image for from a lower end camera? I've noticed that some of the MS companies are requiring the camera info now which concerns me.

For a company that pays only a $.25 and image why cannot I use my Oly Pen 4x3 mirror camera that shoots iso 200 and costs only $250? Plus carrying this high end camera is a royal pain in the arse - my neck kills me after a full day of working outdoors!

Now, I do understand the high end performers (which there are several on this sites) needing this type of equipment but they make over $100,000 (USD) and do a lot of studio work but for the average Joe like me do I really need a D800 or 1D Canon? 


Just thinking about the entire business now and the costs...

T


« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2013, 12:31 »
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I'm sure your friend doesn't need a car either if all he does is sit at a desk in an office all day, but I bet he has one to get to work.

tab62

« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2013, 12:35 »
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LOL! Try a BMW 530 i Series! I never thought about looking at it that way! Plus he belongs to a high end golf club- interesting...

« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2013, 12:36 »
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Depends...if you can make the money back in a reasonable amount of time then you ate good...or are you okay with not making it all back but get an amount of joy owning better equipment.... Either way it's what works for you. I think you can easily get decent results from less expensive equipment.

tab62

« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2013, 12:43 »
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I had a canon rebel for a while but often wondered what if I had better equipment would it spring me to a higher level- yes, motivation by having better equipment is a factor that has to be taken into consideration.   When I was doing some photo sessions, for pay, some of the other folks had much better cameras than me and they only use them to shot flowers or birds for pure fun.  I have co-workers, daytime job, that own D800e and very high end glass (some German names) that I will never be able to afford.  And I know - a photographer is not measured by their equipment but...

« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2013, 12:45 »
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Depends if you look at equipment as an investment or a cost.

Personally, I like investing in good glass since it will always be useable.

« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2013, 12:45 »
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I have some pretty fancy #2 pencils. They have erasers on the end.  ;D

« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2013, 12:47 »
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If you're only concerned with optimizing your net revenue, then get the cheapest camera that will produce the quality you require, augment it with good quality used glass you can find and use techniques that don't require expensive accessories.  I mean, why use an expensive tripod when a box or a block of wood will do just as well, if not nearly so conveniently?  But of course your time and effort might be worth something, and gear that reduces the effort or increases the likelihood of success (or both) could justify itself.  I bought my D800 in part to get better low light performance on the rare occasion I need it and in part for features like Virtual Horizon that make it easy to get a shot right in camera.

In any event, don't confuse the income from individual sales with the value of your product.  Coca Cola's revenue per customer sale is pretty low, yet they do very well thanks to the volume of sales they make.  And so it is or at least was with microstock; small amounts of money repeated hundreds and then thousands of times add up to something substantial.  This is a volume business; it's the total that matters most.

A final thought that applies to me if not to you: I shoot because I enjoy shooting.  Making money supports my habit, and lets me justify buying better and more sophisticated gear.  The customers get the benefit of that better gear, and so do I.  I'd want that better equipment even if I didn't have money coming in from photography.  Might not spend the money, so I'm glad I can justify it more easily.  But as with many things, your mileage may differ.

tab62

« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2013, 12:48 »
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"They have erasers on the end" 

I consider photoshop my eraser  ;)



tab62

« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2013, 12:51 »
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'A final thought that applies to me if not to you: I shoot because I enjoy shooting.  Making money supports my habit, and lets me justify buying better and more sophisticated gear.  The customers get the benefit of that better gear, and so do I.  I'd want that better equipment even if I didn't have money coming in from photography.  Might not spend the money, so I'm glad I can justify it more easily.  But as with many things, your mileage may differ.'

This totally applies to me! When I used to play tennis I would spend a few hundred dollars on a high end racket because it felt better and I enjoyed the equipment- did it make me better - probably not but it didn't hurt me either...

WarrenPrice

« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2013, 13:00 »
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Your tennis story reminds me of your friend's golf club membership.  Wondering about his handicap?
 :P

« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2013, 13:16 »
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At least you can use a camera to the limits of its performance - cant say that about going to the shops in a Porsche!

tab62

« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2013, 14:01 »
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so true about the high end performance cars!

« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2013, 15:15 »
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you don't need a D800 or a 1D or any other high end camera, a crop sensor is enough, I have a D90 and I don't think it is pulling me back in any aspect (ok only iso after 400), of course I would prefer a full frame camera but it isn't a requirement to make money in microstock or photography in general

« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2013, 16:06 »
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You certainly don't need a D800 to make money in MS.  Come on, that's like buying a Ferrari to drive to the store for groceries once a week.  Plenty of people doing well with crop sensors or even P&S cameras.  Now if you WANT a D800 that's another issue, if you want it and can afford it (and the glass to go with it) go ahead, why not?

If you treat MS as a business then the cost of your tools needs to be considered as part of your business plan.  And spending a dime more than you need to do the job just takes money out of your pocket.

If you treat MS as a way to afford (or justify) your camera gear then buy what you want.  But thinking you will do better in MS with a D800 over a good crop sensor is IMHO just deluding yourself.


gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2013, 02:25 »
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The car analogy is great. I agree that if you like to own nice things, then why not? I own a D800 now, but confess I often pull out the D700 for client shoots as the files sizes are more realistic for their final needs, and that camera is still set up just how I like it (can you believe they switched the + and - buttons on the 2 bodies, so annoying! and the wheels are set up like Canon so I keep spinning the wrong way, making every shot take twice as long - yes, I know somewhere in the menu I can switch it back to the "nikon" way) . I try to always shoot a few images on every client job that can be used for stock, but at this stage I don't really care which camera it's on, as in general I don't get paid more at the different sites for larger files. I still have files selling from my D80 body, with hobby lens.


« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2013, 19:09 »
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I mostly bought my d 600 for display reasons.

I would have done fine in microstock with my old d 200

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2013, 22:03 »
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75 megapixels? ;D

http://petapixel.com/2013/07/22/canon-may-drop-nuke-in-megapixel-war-with-a-75-megapixel-pro-dslr/

I remember at college we had to do a pano and we left it to stitch over the lunchbreak. the guy with the Sony (is it 25MP?) was still waiting for his to finish when we got back....  I think of him every time i put in the CF card from the D800 and go off and make a coffee while the pics load into Bridge.  :-\  And the way some canon people shoot (like 12 frames to get one shot) they'd be doubling their time in post with 75MB.

tab62

« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2013, 22:40 »
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okay, I will save for the 75mp- I MUST HAVE THAT CAMERA!  :)



« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2013, 23:41 »
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I have actually got the cheapest car I could find new 10 years ago and a couple of the more expensive cameras (5D MkI and Mk II) which, with their glass cost more than the car. I don't care about cars as long as they get me from point a to point b, so what others spend on cars I spend on cameras ... or, at least, some of it.
The microstock agencies do not deserve the best  gear (though if you are lucky - and skilled and clever - they will more than pay for it) but you will be competing against people who use it.  You could potentially do very well at stock with almost any fairly recent model of DSLR plus one top-end zoom lens, such as a 24-70 (and you could even go for an f/4 version). Total cost, around $2,000.

mlwinphoto

« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2013, 00:05 »
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I have a D800 and I'm not making any money in microstock.....

shudderstok

« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2013, 00:13 »
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to put the question into perspective...

would you buy a rolls royce to pick up passengers if you were a taxi driver?

tab62

« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2013, 18:54 »
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no only the rolls royce but I just got the test results. I am images retaken under the exact same conditions were accepted!  So companies do look at what you are shooting with which sucks!

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2013, 19:04 »
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no only the rolls royce but I just got the test results. I am images retaken under the exact same conditions were accepted!  So companies do look at what you are shooting with which sucks!
What reasons were given for your rejections?
I could take the same photo in the same (natural light) conditions with my 5D2 and my G9, but unless in bright conditions, the G9 will look much worse, e.g. with 400 ISO.


 

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