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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2019, 18:32 »
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I haven't really been following this thread, and am surprised it has gone on this long.  Since it has gone on this long, I am simply assuming that half the people talking are complete idiots with regards to science, and thus keeping a simple conversation going.

"Global Warming" is a world-wide statistical event.  Anyone not named tRump can look at the facts and see that the 4 of the 5 warmest world-wide average temps were in the past 5 years. And that 19 or the warmest 20 years were in the last 20 years (and 50 of the last 50, if my memory is correct).  If you see those FACTS and still doubt the world is getting warmer... then there is not much to say except please go back to elementary school and start again, since you obviously slept through the your entire education.

One very clear result of global warming is NOT that it will be hotter where you are.  That is a tRump level understanding (IOW, nothing beyond 3rd grade). Rather, your local weather will most likely (not guaranteed, since weather is local and daily, while climate is global and long term) be more severe than you have seen in the latter half of the 20th century.  Cold weather will be come colder. Hot weather will become hotter. Rain will shift to new regions as the climate moves the evaporation and precipitation areas.

While you (given the focus on Polar Vortex, I am assuming US and/or Canada) were freezing, Australia has had the longest recorded heat wave and drought.  Would you feel the same way if you lived there instead?

I expect that half those in this thread will say "of course, that is obvious" while the other half will say "fake news -- Fox Entertainment didn't agree"  (there is no such thing as Fox News -- to them it is just an entertainment channel).

Regardless, I finally felt I had to say SOMETHING on this moronic thread.  No more.  I am outa here... :(


« Reply #51 on: Yesterday at 20:43 »
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I haven't really been following this thread, and am surprised it has gone on this long.  Since it has gone on this long, I am simply assuming that half the people talking are complete idiots with regards to science, and thus keeping a simple conversation going.

"Global Warming" is a world-wide statistical event.  Anyone not named tRump can look at the facts and see that the 4 of the 5 warmest world-wide average temps were in the past 5 years. And that 19 or the warmest 20 years were in the last 20 years (and 50 of the last 50, if my memory is correct).  If you see those FACTS and still doubt the world is getting warmer... then there is not much to say except please go back to elementary school and start again, since you obviously slept through the your entire education.

One very clear result of global warming is NOT that it will be hotter where you are.  That is a tRump level understanding (IOW, nothing beyond 3rd grade). Rather, your local weather will most likely (not guaranteed, since weather is local and daily, while climate is global and long term) be more severe than you have seen in the latter half of the 20th century.  Cold weather will be come colder. Hot weather will become hotter. Rain will shift to new regions as the climate moves the evaporation and precipitation areas.

While you (given the focus on Polar Vortex, I am assuming US and/or Canada) were freezing, Australia has had the longest recorded heat wave and drought.  Would you feel the same way if you lived there instead?

I expect that half those in this thread will say "of course, that is obvious" while the other half will say "fake news -- Fox Entertainment didn't agree"  (there is no such thing as Fox News -- to them it is just an entertainment channel).

Regardless, I finally felt I had to say SOMETHING on this moronic thread.  No more.  I am outa here... :(

Thanks for your rude intolerant arrogant closed minded idiot comments. If you say hot in Australia is real but ignore cold in the US, that's because you only include what fits your closed minded contrived theory. A complete idiot to science moron would say that 2 degrees above normal for the 20th century is global crisis. Or that cold will become colder and hot will become hotter. How dumb is that. Obama was President for 8 years and his laws for a couple more, and during that time, we have the 4 of 5 hottest years of all time. Your rules and laws do nothing. Models have been wrong year after year. They predict hotter and we aren't hotter, they revise with the always changing, never right predictions. Worse hurricanes and for 10 years, nothing over cat 3 made landfall. Your lies and extremist fear mongering will show who the real fools are.

« Reply #52 on: Today at 02:42 »
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"during that time, we have the 4 of 5 hottest years of all time. Your rules and laws do nothing. Models have been wrong year after year. They predict hotter and we aren't hotter,"

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« Reply #53 on: Today at 15:27 »
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"during that time, we have the 4 of 5 hottest years of all time. Your rules and laws do nothing. Models have been wrong year after year. They predict hotter and we aren't hotter,"

eer OK

Too bad this all started friendly and has gone to personal attacks and politics, insults and name calling. I think what he meant was, it is hotter, and we all need to admit the numbers don't lie like the politics does.  :) The way that should have been presented is, the global warming predictions have been overstated, year after year, and the warming isn't as great as the models predict, so the models have been adjusted down, year after year.

Also measuring the temperature increase over the 20th Century the increase has been under 2 degrees F and 1.5 degrees C. That amount of change is not runaway heating compared to the claims or global warming.

Yes it is warmer. "According to a continuous study conducted by the NASAs Goddard institute, the Earths average global temperature has risen by 0.8 degrees Celsius or 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880. Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the thermometer readings have risen continuously."

On the other side, in fairness, the energy it takes to warm the entire plant and all that water 1 degree, is quite a bit. The baseline is since the industrial revolution, because we don't have records or measurements before 1880. And even with that, there are reasonable questions about where the measurements were taken, the accuracy of the instruments and other uncontrolled variables, which would lead to a higher degree of error in old readings, vs the new.

I'd say the first person, company, country, who can come up with a real solution will be wealthy beyond all the oil and coal producers in all the time they have been mining and drilling for fossil fuels. We just aren't there yet.

The question to me isn't dwelling on what's wrong and weak human laws or useless attempts to change the climate with taxes and restrictions, but instead is concentrating on how to make energy that doesn't pollute and doesn't depend on fossil fuels, dirty burning or anything else harmful. We already know what the problem is, lets stop wasting time on arguing if it's real or not. We know the problem is real.

Now find the causes with science, not guessing. Because right now the logic is, we don't know of anything else, so it must be humans. Yes that's the science behind, why there's only one answer, because we can't find any others. Pretty illogical in the long run? Also consider that the planet naturally goes through warmer and cooler periods, a number of ice ages and we are on the upside of the end of the last ice age. It could be all natural. Look at the large long picture. But still pollution needs to be wiped out.

But back to, lets work on solutions, not arguing causes, or effects, or politics. And lets stop funding away billion on proving something exists when the reality is, it's plain as day, the planet is getting warmer.

How do we stop that? That's the question? And the answer is stop polluting, stop burning fossil fuels. How do we do that?

Find an alternate energy source. All the time, investment and grants should go to finding alternate energy sources that can replace fossil fuels. Not politically motivated waste of time, committees, treaties, restrictions and useless measures that change nothing, as long as most of the planet is going to burn coal and oil and shoot waste into the air.

There it is:  Find an alternate energy source.
« Last Edit: Today at 15:31 by Uncle Pete »


 

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