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tab62

« on: February 07, 2013, 17:31 »
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This is a question that a lot of new folks ask thus I have a rough formula based on my stats (Below average photographer at best, photos only, no special area of expertise)

Here it what I have seen- now most of the sales are from the 25 a day download section thus cannot predict the monthly $$ amount. Also mileage may very per artist  :)

Portfolio Size -    Monthly Sales
350            100
700            200
1,050         300
1,400         400
1,750         500
2,100         600
2,450         700
2,800         800
3,150         900
3,500         1,000                         


« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 17:41 »
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That works until your car stalls out and starts to roll back down the hill.  ;)

tab62

« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 17:50 »
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"That works until your car stalls out and starts to roll back down the hill.'   


This would be the 'Wall' - not sure where the Wall hits. I would guess maybe around 10,000 or not updating pics for over a year or more.

« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 17:56 »
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I have to agree with your formula, it works - roughly -  to me as well...

« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 20:31 »
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Those numbers are very close to my experience as well.

tab62

« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2013, 21:34 »
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I put a lot of thought into this analysis and used a few other folks as well to see if it was close. I feel that a large percentage of us fall in the same category. Sure a few of us are off the richer scale and shoot nothing but gems thus this formula will not work for them. Wish I was one of them for sure... :-X



« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2013, 22:03 »
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I would love to know about vector contributors and if they have any stats ...

« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2013, 22:24 »
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all images are not equal.

In my opinion those numbers are far too high.

« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2013, 23:18 »
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Very interesting topic, as I consider myself a newbie based on my port size (even though I have been messing with this stuff since 2007).  I currently have 153 images at SS, and averaged 60 downloads a month last year, mostly subscription. 

Out of curiosity, I looked at my numbers back in the "feed the beast" 2007 heyday, and with a port of around 30-40, I was getting around 140 downloads a month as long as I was uploading.   Of course, as soon as I stopped, the downloads dropped dramatically to around 20 d/l a month.   (Too bad I didn't spend my time building my port up in those days instead of now - ah, that 20/20 hindsight).   At least SS is more consistent nowadays even if you aren't uploading every week. 

tab62

« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2013, 23:23 »
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I am only at 991 images on Shutter thus holding this pattern but time will tell when I reach the larger volumes...

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2013, 06:57 »
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Thanks for this info.

« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2013, 07:24 »
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my sales are as follows, though i dont really shoot with stock in mind. i shoot what i like and this is where i upload my photos (like most people upload to flickr) but here i have a chance of earning a bit of extra money to spend on kit :)

with ss i have 524 files online and havn't uploaded in a few months and my sales for the last 4 months are

90
68
61
68
and this month im already on 38


« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2013, 08:50 »
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   I tought I am a very poor seller, but sad thing I'm not. At the beginning (les than a year) I was under these numbers. Now I'm slightly above, with 500 and heading to 200 dlds/month. But that's SS, at other I sell less than what it should be from the pool. DT almost 600 pictures and selling under 10 pics per month :(.
IS very good at the beginning (beating SS for 6 months in a row) and then going down, with this month beeing the worst- -0 dlds with 500 pics.
   I think this is only for fun, if you plan to make real money from it and start now or about a year ago like me, no chance. Sad thing that now I see increase only at SS, with a small and new port growing.

RacePhoto

« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2013, 11:22 »
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My personal estimate number has been 25 DLs per Month per 100 files. I don't know about "The Wall" because I only upload when I'm in the mood and pretty much all my files are One of a Kind. For someone who shoots 50 variations of the same set-up, it's going to be different. I'd guess lower? But that's just a guess.

My photos should mark the lowest end of the scale, unless someone has 300 images of six subjects. Hope that explains it better. I don't shoot anything that needs a release. 50 Raster illustrations, no vectors.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2013, 13:37 by RacePhoto »

« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2013, 12:52 »
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Interesting - lots of us in the same ballpark, in terms of DLs as a percentage of port size, I reckon about 33% on SS, 90% on IS+PP, 10% on FT and 5% on DT but lots of variation in RPD so the money doesn't follow the same pattern.

I'd guess the good vector folks numbers are much higher.


« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 14:06 »
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Funny ;)

I have 702 Images and had 201 downloads last month. So you are spot on  :)

« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 15:30 »
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So, out of curiousity, would anyone agree that, on 123, 1 image will yield approximately 1 RC?

« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 17:07 »
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Less than 200 files on SS, 136 DL last month

This month 49 so far...

OLJensa

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2013, 17:24 »
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99 images in my port at SS.

58 DL:s last month and 20 so far this month...

I guess I've been lucky so far then....

steheap

  • Author of best selling "Get Started in Stock"

« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2013, 17:28 »
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3600 images and 1181 downloads so I'm slightly above your table, but it is pretty close.

Steve

« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2013, 17:29 »
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On SS the quality and more important the concept of the photos matters more than size of the portfolio. you can make 1k downloads/month with 7-800 images online or 500 sales with 3k online. the size of the port is not a reliable criteria.

in my case: 2380 images online and between 1100-1250 downloads/month (depends on the month)
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 17:32 by nicku »

Poncke

« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 17:31 »
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660 images on SS, 360 dls per month and I am not happy with it. Its far too low.

« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2013, 18:17 »
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800 files on SS and around 600 d/ls.. And my vectors sell lot more than photos.. Though I have just 30-35% of my port as vectors, they make up 70% of my d/ls..

« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2013, 18:39 »
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Interesting... I must be doing better then the average  :). With a small port of around 80 images at SS I made 150 downloads last month and am now at around 50 downloads in this month. Port is only photos. But only my best photos are in the port, not many variations of the same subject.

« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2013, 01:12 »
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What would be interesting is, if this is true on average for new images. For example if I make 250 dls from 500 images a month an then add another 500 images, would I really make 500 dls? I am asking this because I am not sure if the new images can move up in the Popular search so well with almost weekly 100000 images being added. I have not uploaded for s long time so I would be interested in your opinion.

« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2013, 01:15 »
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Sorry Jan, new uploads are hit and miss.  Better content, fewer downloads.

« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2013, 04:25 »
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Sorry Jan, new uploads are hit and miss.  Better content, fewer downloads.

Yap... The new content that i added is selling bad... but the summer girls and concepts from last summer is selling very good on all agencies. It's all about the season. ;)

micro-retouch

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2013, 17:26 »
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Quite interesting theory :)

Mactrunk

« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2013, 02:28 »
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I have 222 images online on Shutterstock and 83 sales this month. Last month I had 230 sales with 200 images. In november also 230 with 190 images. I think if you shoot more concepts your sales ratio might go up.

« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2013, 03:58 »
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I have 900 pictures and get over 500 downloads a month. I take a lot longer to make pictures now as only my very best work has any chance of selling. New stuff can sell well but has to be a lot better than what's there or very original.   

« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2013, 13:37 »
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Vector portfolio - Approx 400 images - 1500+ DLs per month.

 ;D :o

« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2013, 00:20 »
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 i just started submitting my vectors at SS last month. about 70 vector files accepted in half a month got me 200 dl's.

this months stats should give me a clearer picture. It is good to know my files are getting downloaded here but i cant help feel like a cheap whore at .25 a download but this is the current situation with sub prices. Like they say, concentrate on the bigger picture which is the revenue.

On the other hand i am at 18% at istock and my downloads there get me $3-4 from my vectors at indie prices which still beats on demand and the rare single download prices i get from SS.

It is still a relief to know that i am not bound by the shackles of one company.

« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2015, 18:27 »
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This is a question that a lot of new folks ask thus I have a rough formula based on my stats (Below average photographer at best, photos only, no special area of expertise)

Here it what I have seen- now most of the sales are from the 25 a day download section thus cannot predict the monthly $$ amount. Also mileage may very per artist  :)

Portfolio Size -    Monthly Sales
350            100
700            200
1,050         300
1,400         400
1,750         500
2,100         600
2,450         700
2,800         800
3,150         900
3,500         1,000                         

Given that this was a discussion that occurred in 2013, I was curious to see if this was still accurate for most (give or take).  Thoughts?

« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2015, 00:15 »
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This is a question that a lot of new folks ask thus I have a rough formula based on my stats (Below average photographer at best, photos only, no special area of expertise)

Here it what I have seen- now most of the sales are from the 25 a day download section thus cannot predict the monthly $$ amount. Also mileage may very per artist  :)

Portfolio Size -    Monthly Sales
350            100
700            200
1,050         300
1,400         400
1,750         500
2,100         600
2,450         700
2,800         800
3,150         900
3,500         1,000                         

Given that this was a discussion that occurred in 2013, I was curious to see if this was still accurate for most (give or take).  Thoughts?
That's about right for me.

« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2015, 00:30 »
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Lots more downloads at the lower portfolio end, lots less at the upper end (probably as much due to the portfolio to total images for sale ratio as anything else). There was a sort of nice correlation between new uploads and sales at first - up to 1000 images or so, and then there wasn't. In fact despite new uploads (although not at any blistering pace) I have less downloads now than I did in about 2008 with 1/4 to 1/3 of the portfolio - mostly taken with a point and shoot. Thankfully the $ have gone up, but nowhere near the increase in pictures or quality.  Since many of my sales still come from old pictures I have no idea how the numbers stack up now.

« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2015, 02:20 »
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Here it what I have seen- now most of the sales are from the 25 a day download section thus cannot predict the monthly $$ amount. Also mileage may very per artist  :)

Portfolio Size -    Monthly Sales
350            100
700            200
1,050         300
1,400         400
1,750         500
2,100         600
2,450         700
2,800         800
3,150         900
3,500         1,000                         

That looks perfectly linear. My sales went up exponentially with my portfolio size.

« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2015, 05:24 »
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I heard somewhere that good ratio approach is one download for one photo at port.
So 300 photos to 300 downloads (SS). Quality of the port is important and content too. One port with photos about people or models I thought works better than other. For customers RF with models are very sweet.

« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2015, 05:11 »
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With 670 something photos, I get around 120-180 downloads a month. More when i upload regularly.

But how much i make depends on the mix of larger licenses, the subs don't amount to much.

And there is nothing I can do to make sure I get more extended or higher licenses, the higher price downloads are scattered randomly over all content types, there isn't a specific subject matter that attracts more of them. Number of downloads, yes, but not specifically less subs and more higher price points.

I upload to an agency and invest in shootings in proportion to the amount of money I expect to make.

So how well and at what price point an agency can sell my files determines what type of content they get.

I can create content for all price points, but I have been doing this for a long time.

So for me there is no "my very best"  content, it all has to fit the market you are trying to sell into.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2015, 05:27 by cobalt »

ultimagina

« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2015, 14:45 »
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It's not just a number's game. It matters a lot what kind of content you upload. With 600 photos+clips online, I get close to 1k downloads on SS:
May: 941
April: 946
March: 1026

« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2015, 16:26 »
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It's not just a number's game. It matters a lot what kind of content you upload. With 600 photos+clips online, I get close to 1k downloads on SS:
May: 941
April: 946
March: 1026

Unless you are deleting files, that is a poor trend. Especially if you are uploading a lot...  I guess deleting files is going to hurt your long term sales trends too.

Still, it does matter a lot what content you have and its placement in the searches.

ultimagina

« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2015, 16:57 »
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It's not just a number's game. It matters a lot what kind of content you upload. With 600 photos+clips online, I get close to 1k downloads on SS:
May: 941
April: 946
March: 1026

Unless you are deleting files, that is a poor trend. Especially if you are uploading a lot...  I guess deleting files is going to hurt your long term sales trends too.

Still, it does matter a lot what content you have and its placement in the searches.
I can't upload more than 2-3 photos/week, since I only make photos during the weekend. And I don't upload the same subject shot from a gazilion angles.
April was the $ BME despite the lower number of dls. It's hard to call it a "trend"
And the topic is about port size vs dls, not trends
« Last Edit: June 07, 2015, 00:42 by ultimagaina »


 

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