The link you provided is broken

Quote from: wut on March 07, 2012, 11:49

Please don't let this turn into a hating thread, especially in a nationalistic way. I'm almost sorry I wrote my previous post, since I know, most ppl won't understand it, they won't understand the true msg, but just tear some things out of context and the debate will needlesly heat up. The point of my post was, it's the lobbies behind all those atrocities that should be blamed.

I think this is a very, very astute point.  Here in the US, Pres. Dwight Eisenhower, a war hero himself, warned in 1961 of the dangers of the "Military Industrial Complex".   

In the past, it seems that wars were fought because of immediate threats.  Countries invading other countries, and/or genocides being committed.  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be unrelated to any direct or immediate threat.   Instead, it appears that they were, and continue to be, waged for the profit of some well placed business interests. 

Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but that is how it seems to me.  And Wut is absolutely right that large numbers of the population in the aggressor countries do not support the wars.  I would certainly have supported our intervention in WW2 if I had been alive then, but I do not support wars waged to put money in the pockets of Haliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater, or the various oil companies.  And I vote.  But sometimes my votes are in the minority.

But at this moment of time there is plenty of oil for the world, in fact an over production of oil. Wall Street speculation on oil reserves count for 30-40% of world oil prices according to OPEC. There are cargo ships parked in the Gulf of Mexico filled with oil just waiting for the price to go up so it can be sold at increased profit. Three months ago I started hearing the first saber rattling for the next war, this time with Iran . . . . . . why, war with Iran or even threat of war will of course raise the price of oil so those profits can be realized. That was one of the reasons for the Iraqi war (when Bush came into office the price of oil was $35/bbl, soon it was at $150/bbl which made his Texas Oil backers very happy)

By the way, the Commerce Dept. announced couple of weeks ago that America's number one manufactured export now is . . . . . . . are you ready,  refined oil products like gasoline. So the next time you hear that gas prices are going up because of scarcity and refining capacity you can have a good laugh.

from The Christian Science Monitor:

As gas prices rise, should US oil industry stop exporting?

US gas prices are soaring and domestic demand is falling. The oil industry says it needs to export to stay in business and avoid layoffs. Others claim that keeps supply low and gas prices high.
At the same time that the price of gasoline is rising, the US oil industry is increasing its exports of gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel.

Yes, you read that correctly.

Compared to a year ago, exports of gasoline have tripled � at a time when the price of gasoline is 42 cents a gallon more expensive at the pump. On Thursday, for example, the price of crude oil remained elevated at $107 a barrel because of fears over the Iranian nuclear situation, and the price of gasoline rose 3 cents a gallon compared to Wednesday, according to AAA.

Quote from: etienjones on March 09, 2012, 11:52

By the way, the Commerce Dept. announced couple of weeks ago that America's number one manufactured export now is . . . . . . . are you ready,  refined oil products like gasoline. So the next time you hear that gas prices are going up because of scarcity and refining capacity you can have a good laugh.

Yes, scarcity is caused by exporting refined oil products. To me, it looks very simple. A simple way to bump up the prices.

Watch the 2nd movie, I think he explains it brilliantly http://www.thevenusproject.com/ . I said a few times over here, that wherever there's money involved, there's corruption, greed (that's why we're seeing so many cuts in our royalties). But usually I was labeled as a damnn communist etc

no, just a king . . . . . . .

"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" 

from The Christian Science Monitor:

As gas prices rise, should US oil industry stop exporting?

US gas prices are soaring and domestic demand is falling. The oil industry says it needs to export to stay in business and avoid layoffs. Others claim that keeps supply low and gas prices high.
At the same time that the price of gasoline is rising, the US oil industry is increasing its exports of gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel.

Yes, you read that correctly.

Compared to a year ago, exports of gasoline have tripled � at a time when the price of gasoline is 42 cents a gallon more expensive at the pump. On Thursday, for example, the price of crude oil remained elevated at $107 a barrel because of fears over the Iranian nuclear situation, and the price of gasoline rose 3 cents a gallon compared to Wednesday, according to AAA.

Thanks for posting that Etien.  I had absolutely no idea US oil companies were increasing EXPORTS of gasoline.  I watch the news every day and not a peep about it. 

Quote from: etienjones on March 09, 2012, 11:52

from The Christian Science Monitor:

As gas prices rise, should US oil industry stop exporting?

US gas prices are soaring and domestic demand is falling. The oil industry says it needs to export to stay in business and avoid layoffs. Others claim that keeps supply low and gas prices high.
At the same time that the price of gasoline is rising, the US oil industry is increasing its exports of gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel.

Yes, you read that correctly.

Compared to a year ago, exports of gasoline have tripled � at a time when the price of gasoline is 42 cents a gallon more expensive at the pump. On Thursday, for example, the price of crude oil remained elevated at $107 a barrel because of fears over the Iranian nuclear situation, and the price of gasoline rose 3 cents a gallon compared to Wednesday, according to AAA.

Thanks for posting that Etien.  I had absolutely no idea US oil companies were increasing EXPORTS of gasoline.  I watch the news every day and not a peep about it. 

   Much of the exported oil is from Canada. The US does a great deal of refining for Canadian and Mexican oil. At the same time, demand in the US is below the refining capacity, so the oil has to go somewhere. The price of gas does not come from supply and demand of refined products- it comes from the raw material- crude oil. Chevron just shut down a refinery in NJ because it was primarily refining Libyan crude, which has gone much higher than the US sourced WTI. There is very limited space to store refined oil products, so when the demand is below output, it goes where the demand is increasing- China.

There were fuel protests in the UK when oil was around $30 a barrel and petrol was 80 pence a litre.  Now it's close to �1.40 a litre.

As less people use their cars, the economy is going to suffer.  We also have quantitative easing, it used to be called currency devaluation.  So the cost of everything is increasing because of transportation prices and currency devaluation.  

It will be interesting to see how far fuel prices can rise before protests start again.  Most of our petrol price is tax.  The government can't afford to lower the tax because there's a huge budget deficit and debt.

I don't drive, so I expect I'll be wrong here... 

... but aren't we supposed to be moving toward electric cars? 

Oh I see.  What a shame...

There's lots of alternatives to fossil fuel but none generate as much tax for governments or as much profits for the oil companies.  They have done all they can to stop investment in cheap alternatives.  Then they tell us that fossil fuels damage the environment and we need to be more green.  The hypocrisy is sickening.

Electric cars aren't the best option but I suppose the price of electricity will shoot up when we all have them.

True!
They need our money much more than they can collect through taxes ..
So transport is essential for all of us, and it will always be a good field for extra profit to them...

The future will talk about this time as the time of the most greedy generation of people in history.
The generation of people that got everything from their parents after WWII and stole everything from their children and grandchildren in the form of debt and resource depletion. The first generation of history that said to their grandchildren they will live worse than their parents, this never happened before in whole history.

The worst and most greediest generation in all human history. They had the luck to live a relatively peaceful period of time and enjoyed the growth, and now they don't want the next generation to have anything. They got it all and nothing will be left for the future.

I believe this generation is full of fear for their retirement and they are going to do everything to keep it at the highest level at all costs, even steal their grandchildren and leave them with no future. They fear of losing wealth but they don't realize they are losing the respect of their children on the way.

That's just my opinion.

How about a new kind of war?  This video is worth 30 minutes of your day

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc[/youtube]

Something smelled fishy when I watched that video, I didn't fall for it, share it on fb etc and here's an interesting interview breaking it down for you (making even the blind see). It's much more realistic or believable if you prefer that term, I'd say

Kony? What about America's war criminals?

I wouldn't waste my time watching anything on RT anymore than I'd bother with Fox news.

Don't fool yourself, the same ppl control all media in the USA (and it's probably the same in the rest of the world, it's just that I've watched a documentary covering only USA, putting all the names out, creating a pattern etc). They just make you think you have a choice (eg FOX for tea party activists, RT for libs? etc)

There are other stations, Al Jazeera for example is one of the best, BBC can be okay at times. Of course all have massive agendas but you may as well go with the best of a bad bunch. RT is one of the worst news providers in the world, everything from their political to scientific news is a bad joke.
But then again if you are the sort to just watch the mainstream US news it at least provides a balance by being just as bad in the opposite direction!

I don't watch any US media, I'm from Europe. I watch the news from time to time (that means 30 min in the evening), read newspaper and watch documentaries from time to time. I did however find this interview a lot more realistic and believable, than Kony anti-propaganda. Ppl that use their brain, know a little something about world politics and what's generally happening in the world and are not completely naive, just won't fall for it. Yes, any effort to save those children is great, just spare us with the BS, take their oil (or is there something else, there is something for sure), like they always do. It's the election year, they're really putting effort into it . What I wanted to say, that if they, in the process of doing business as usual, save those children in the process, then at least something good comes out of it (as I said, I'd just prefer if they spared us the BS)