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« on: March 07, 2012, 05:15 »
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To finally end up that story!  :'( :'(

This morning I watched an Italian documentary film ... The expedition was traveling by trucks from Italy to the Pacific and back ...
This episode was in Iraq ...
They showed the place where the bomb shelter hit by U.S. "smart" bomb and killed 1,200 people inside ...
I am from Croatia, my country has gone through the war 20 years ago, although I have not seen or heard anything of war, only through the TV, because I live in a part of country where wasn't war, but this is something different...
This morning I saw in that documentary what is really terrible, shocking, disgusting ...
What "advanced" western civilization can make to the poor part of this world ...
They showed little children hands "glued" to the walls, they were carbonized on 2000 degrees Celsius, which was produced by that airplane bomb ...

 But we are still talking about RPI, PRD, intoxicated with our "gentle" lives, angry if oil jumps 1% ...
People..., their little hands are still there, fossilized on the walls and ceilings in 3D!!!  :'(
I am desperate .... :-[ :-\ ???
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 18:54 by borg »


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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 08:21 »
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Not really sure what the point of this post is. You mention oil prices, bombs, USA, and desparation. The only thing I'm getting out of this is what seems to add up to another "the USA is evil" rant. What are you trying to get across here?

lagereek

« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 09:01 »
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Im getting fed up with this USA and England-evil rants,  without these two countries, the entire world would be waring swasticas and star-of Davids, free enterprise would be killed and if you didnt like flipping burgers at Macdonalds, you would end up in a modern style camp, where Arbeit macht frei.

People have got very short memories, but are the first ones to scream rape. I mean God forbidd, without a world police, etc, we would all be turning our sour faces towards Mecca, nothing wrong with that but it would be enforced, not of free will.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 09:07 by lagereek »

Noodles

« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2012, 09:26 »
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I am desperate .... :-[ :-\ ???

you sound shell shocked!  Its understandable to feel that way when you see such things but lagerleak is right and you should study your history and consider the atrocities that have occurred elsewhere and the countless millions of people that have died.

velocicarpo

« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 09:41 »
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Im getting fed up with this USA and England-evil rants,  without these two countries, the entire world would be waring swasticas and star-of Davids, free enterprise would be killed and if you didnt like flipping burgers at Macdonalds, you would end up in a modern style camp, where Arbeit macht frei.

People have got very short memories, but are the first ones to scream rape. I mean God forbidd, without a world police, etc, we would all be turning our sour faces towards Mecca, nothing wrong with that but it would be enforced, not of free will.

Sure. Do you really think like that? The USA brought lots of good things to the world, but lots of Bulls**t too. Any radical view is questionable.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 09:47 by velocicarpo »

« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2012, 09:54 »
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It's the United Kingdom, not England.  A lot of the troops come from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I'm against 99% of wars.  I wish we only took action when our country had a direct imminent threat.  We're criticised if we do something and criticised if we don't.  Every country has it's own propaganda and I think it's hard to know what's really going on sometimes.  I occasionally look at foreign news channels and its incredible how different the reports on the same events are.

lagereek

« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2012, 10:00 »
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Im getting fed up with this USA and England-evil rants,  without these two countries, the entire world would be waring swasticas and star-of Davids, free enterprise would be killed and if you didnt like flipping burgers at Macdonalds, you would end up in a modern style camp, where Arbeit macht frei.

People have got very short memories, but are the first ones to scream rape. I mean God forbidd, without a world police, etc, we would all be turning our sour faces towards Mecca, nothing wrong with that but it would be enforced, not of free will.

Sure. Do you really think like that? The USA brought lots of good things to the world, but lots of Bulls**t too. Any radical view is questionable.

Every single country in the world brings some good and some bulls,  unavoidable!  besides, who want to live in a perfect world? rather boring wouldnt you say? a world chemically free from any ambitions. nice, isnt it.

rubyroo

« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 10:10 »
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War is a very complex issue.  The 'horrors of war' are indeed horrific, and on the whole I am against war.  OTOH, while some are crushed by war, there are those who say they have been 'liberated' from atrocities by the same war.

I would love to live in a world of peace - but at the same time, I will never shed a tear for a Nazi.  I saw a documentary about Nazi Germany in (I think) The World at War series.  I still have nightmares about it, and feel every erosion of liberty in the modern age at my very core because of it.

The complex part is that wars have often occurred precisely because someone, somewhere, found another's atrocities abhorrent and was moved to action.  In the process, and in the 'fog of war' that group somehow commits atrocities of it's own - and we end up with a situation where the 'white hats' and the 'black hats' are harder to determine.  Sadly real life isn't as clear as Hollywood Westerns.

Borg - be careful not to assume that everyone's lives are so rosy, simply because they participate in microstock.  We all have tragedies behind us or in front of us to varying degrees.

« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 10:20 »
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Whats the price of oil got to do with it?

Before you go banging on about the bombing of a bunker in Iraq and critise the USA or UK then you should have a think about the atrocities committed by Croatia in the not too distant part during the various wars in the Balkans.

Lagereek is right with out the US and UK taking a stand the world would be in a pretty crapy state............

« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 10:43 »
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I am also shocked by your comments too!

I just can not believe you can find a justification for this destruction in some historic wars, such WW2!
Also, who is talking about "USA and England-evil rants", Macdonald's, or "Arbeit macht frei"!? I am talking about innocent kids...
Is it okay to weep for the victims of the WTC, while these children are categorized as "fighting against Nazism"
On the same way Nazzzis  were searched in history to find reasons to eliminate Jews  and convince half of Europe through propaganda with a theory that they are doing "right thing"!
These comments are enough proof that the world can expect new world war!
This state of awareness is a precondition for a new collective suffering ...

Also, I know a lot about world history... History is my another passion so probably I know more than average man on this world...

I understand that it is easy to find excuses for the "intervention" as long as the war cannot come in your garden!
But in fact you do not know what actually start wars, you have to experience it
For sure, every smart man can see lot more of these "catalysts" in today's Western society than elsewhere before ...
The administration still holds our civilization together, but if the crisis remain, you will see much greater horrors than you can see now on the Middle East or elsewhere ... You will see what you neighbor is able to do after "schooling propaganda", movies, games and politics ...
Also, It has no connection with nation, religion, race, only with psychology...
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 11:06 by borg »

« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 10:58 »
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^^^ What's all this got to do with the price of oil? What about beer? Beer costs more than oil.

« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2012, 11:01 »
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Whats the price of oil got to do with it?

Before you go banging on about the bombing of a bunker in Iraq and critise the USA or UK then you should have a think about the atrocities committed by Croatia in the not too distant part during the various wars in the Balkans.

Lagereek is right with out the US and UK taking a stand the world would be in a pretty crapy state............
We know about the crimes of the Croats in the last "war" and today we are still paying for it .... Every day we are all aware of  this and we have to deal with it...
 For us there is no collateral victims like for NATO or any big force...
No matter if I am Croat, Serb or some other small nation, slowly becomes clear who started the war in this region and why...

« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2012, 11:05 »
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^^^ What's all this got to do with the price of oil? What about beer? Beer costs more than oil.

A liter of gasoline costs cca $2 in Europe...  I do not know what is the price per liter in America ... Perhaps here lies the answer ...

Beer costs more in Croatia than in USA... 8)
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 11:08 by borg »

lagereek

« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2012, 11:06 »
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Whats the price of oil got to do with it?

Before you go banging on about the bombing of a bunker in Iraq and critise the USA or UK then you should have a think about the atrocities committed by Croatia in the not too distant part during the various wars in the Balkans.

Lagereek is right with out the US and UK taking a stand the world would be in a pretty crapy state............
We know about the crimes of the Croats in the last "war" and today we are still paying for it .... Every day we are all aware of  this and we have to deal with it...
 For us there is no collateral victims like for NATO or any big force...
No matter if I am Croat, Serb or some other small nation, slowly becomes clear who started the war in this region and why...

Please dont get us wrong!  ofcourse we sympathise with you and its horrible, I agree, only sooner or later these discussions always leads up to the US and Great-Britain, being the bad guys, etc.
and its totally unfair, they have saved our @sses, plenty of times and will probabaly do so in future as well.

wut

« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2012, 11:13 »
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Whats the price of oil got to do with it?

Before you go banging on about the bombing of a bunker in Iraq and critise the USA or UK then you should have a think about the atrocities committed by Croatia in the not too distant part during the various wars in the Balkans.

Lagereek is right with out the US and UK taking a stand the world would be in a pretty crapy state............
We know about the crimes of the Croats in the last "war" and today we are still paying for it .... Every day we are all aware of  this and we have to deal with it...
 For us there is no collateral victims like for NATO or any big force...
No matter if I am Croat, Serb or some other small nation, slowly becomes clear who started the war in this region and why...

It was just the same during WW2, you fought with the Nazisss, built concentration camps like Jasenovac etc. But then again, George Bush Sr.'s father financed the Nazisss and his sons were elected twice to lead the USA. Well, Jr. really wasn't...All we can get from that is that war is big business, take a look at some other documentaries, such as the oil factor, Iraq for sale etc. In Afghanistan it's all about the poppy fields, never has the production of opium been that high, as it is since the occupation. First they destroy a country, the war industry (and private security companies) makes profit, then they rebuild it, construction and oil companies make money. Most of the politicians own the companies that come to make huge profits in these countries (Halliburton etc). Lobbies really make a lot out of it, it's just the poor and innocent that always die for nothing. It really is a sick world we live in.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 11:15 by wut »

« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2012, 11:15 »
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Hey people, I like America!
It is probably good that the strongest force on the world comes from a nation which is the sum of all the nations of the world ...
I'm talking only about the "desensitization" of us who belong to the supposedly more developed world...
Here lies the greatest danger, not from there, some renegade countries...
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 11:29 by borg »

« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2012, 11:29 »
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I can't believe reading this comments. In what heartless, egoistic world we are living.
Borg, it seams that someone can feel what are you talking only if he/she lived trough the war. You experience it from Zagreb, and me from Dubrovnik. I know the feeling and what are you talking about.
In what world we are living, such a terrible and bad world. But I believe that one or two who read your post and understand what you are talking about then this is big progress.


rubyroo

« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2012, 11:36 »
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Millions of people marched to protest against the Iraq war in the UK, waving 'Not in my name' banners.  It was a hugely sensitive issue here.  This might interest you, Borg.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2765041.stm

BTW, I hope you didn't think I was comparing those children to Na-zis.  I didn't mean that at all.  They were just my wandering thoughts about war in general and it's complexities, and how nothing is really as clear-cut as we're led to believe.  Someone else's post made me think about Na-zis.  No connection intended with the awful scene you saw.

Note:  Sorry to hyphenate 'Na-zis' like that, but the forum won't allow me to type the word directly (bizarre!)
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 11:38 by rubyroo »

wut

« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2012, 11:49 »
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Please don't let this turn into a hating thread, especially in a nationalistic way. I'm almost sorry I wrote my previous post, since I know, most ppl won't understand it, they won't understand the true msg, but just tear some things out of context and the debate will needlesly heat up. The point of my post was, it's the lobbies behind all those atrocities that should be blamed. Not the ppl of this or that nation. Ppl should open their mind and not just believe the media, which is again controlled by lobbies and is just feeding us the info they want to feed us we, so they can condition, brainwash us. Some are talking about TV being a mean of mass hypnosis (I find it a bit far fetched, but you never know). Internet is the only means of free flow of information, but they also try to put a stop to it with documents like, PIPA, SOPA or ACTA. Because they can't control the internet.

Personally I have no beef with members of any nation. Hating someone based on nationality is just stupid. Many are mentioning Americans and Brits around here. I dunno, but from what I can see, Americans are still on top of the game, wether we're talking about contributors (well, Yuri is No. 1, but take a look at top 10) or agencies. And around here, most post are made by them (Brits or Americans) as well. I can't image this forum without the likes of Gostwyck, Lisafx, ShadySue, PaulieWalnuts, Baldrick and Lagereek. All Brits or Americans (at least partly).

Instead of fighting or arguing, we should unite ;)

« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2012, 11:57 »
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MatHayward this is "off topic" part of this forum... So this theme can be appropriate for this topic... I am glad you like my photo... ;)

I don't want to blame/hate any country or anybody, just politics and collective consciousness,  there is no border,nation,race for that...
Many Americans are losing their sons and daughters in modern wars, also they lose their living standard every day...

There is no "black/white" conclusions in my life...
I 'm actually "crippled" for prejudices ... I grew up during the war when I had all of conflicted nations among my family and friends ...
So, I can not be fascinated by anything other than objectivity ...

I'm sorry if I offended anyone,I do not mean to!
This is only desire for knowledge from facts...

P.S.

Great post and point Wut! Lobbies! Not nations, even politics... Just lobbies!  
Thank you wut and dbajurin and other who understand!
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 12:04 by borg »

« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2012, 11:57 »
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I'm from Italy, so I'm really grateful, and always will be, to American, British, Australian, Canadian and all of the world people who died in WW2 to make my country free, alongside with Italians. But, you know, that does't mean that Hiroshima was the right choice. Nor it was the atrocities of British in India, or French's in North Africa, or Italians' in Africa, or Spanish in South America, or Chinese, or Japanese, or Russians... And so on.
I want to say that if you make one good thing, it does not mean you are always right in what you do: it's not fair to say "America is evil", but it's not true to say "America is always right". Or better: nor "Western countries are always right" is as false as "Western countries are always wrong".
The first duty we have as citizens of the world is to keep our eyes open and to think always with critical sense, first of all about what our countries make.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of Americans, British, French, Spanish, Italians and Germans actually don't like all that their countries do in 3rd and 4th world.

rubyroo

« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2012, 12:04 »
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Have a heart for that Koufax73!  VERY well said indeed. 

« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2012, 12:04 »
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How about a new kind of war?  This video is worth 30 minutes of your day :)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc[/youtube]

wut

« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2012, 12:11 »
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I'm from Italy, so I'm really grateful, and always will be, to American, British, Australian, Canadian and all of the world people who died in WW2 to make my country free, alongside with Italians. But, you know, that does't mean that Hiroshima was the right choice. Nor it was the atrocities of British in India, or French's in North Africa, or Italians' in Africa, or Spanish in South America, or Chinese, or Japanese, or Russians... And so on.
I want to say that if you make one good thing, it does not mean you are always right in what you do: it's not fair to say "America is evil", but it's not true to say "America is always right". Or better: nor "Western countries are always right" is as false as "Western countries are always wrong".
The first duty we have as citizens of the world is to keep our eyes open and to think always with critical sense, first of all about what our countries make.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of Americans, British, French, Spanish, Italians and Germans actually don't like all that their countries do in 3rd and 4th world.

Exactly and to say for instance you're an Italian, you murdered my grand-grand father in 1905 in Africa and hate every Italian for that is stupid, just blinding hatriot (I hope you get the example, any nation could be mentioned). But he'd be missing so much because of that. I absolutely love Italy, I've traveled there a few times, north, south, no matter the place, I liked it or even loved it. Such a rich culture, just the best food in the world, nice ppl (the nicest I've met are from NW of Sicily, but that was just my experience), so much sights to see and the way of life, especially in the south is just perfect, I'd definitely live there, the climate is great as well. And you could say the same about America and miss great sights like the Grand Canyon or miss the visit of, what is IMO the greatest city in the world, NYC. The city that never sleeps, melting pot, I absolutely loved it. Or Britain. Yes you can say, bad food even worse weather, but the ppl are great, I love their sense of humour, I love football which they invented etc. You can miss so many things because of generalization and nationalism.


 

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