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rubyroo

« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2012, 12:16 »
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Hey!  The food's fine!.

Oh hang on... I just realised that I always eat Italian food...  :D


wut

« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2012, 12:24 »
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Hey!  The food's fine!.

Oh hang on... I just realised that I always eat Italian food...  :D

Haha, great! That's what I meant before, great sense of humour ;)

lisafx

« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2012, 12:42 »
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Please don't let this turn into a hating thread, especially in a nationalistic way. I'm almost sorry I wrote my previous post, since I know, most ppl won't understand it, they won't understand the true msg, but just tear some things out of context and the debate will needlesly heat up. The point of my post was, it's the lobbies behind all those atrocities that should be blamed.

I think this is a very, very astute point.  Here in the US, Pres. Dwight Eisenhower, a war hero himself, warned in 1961 of the dangers of the "Military Industrial Complex".   

In the past, it seems that wars were fought because of immediate threats.  Countries invading other countries, and/or genocides being committed.  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be unrelated to any direct or immediate threat.   Instead, it appears that they were, and continue to be, waged for the profit of some well placed business interests. 

Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but that is how it seems to me.  And Wut is absolutely right that large numbers of the population in the aggressor countries do not support the wars.  I would certainly have supported our intervention in WW2 if I had been alive then, but I do not support wars waged to put money in the pockets of Haliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater, or the various oil companies.  And I vote.  But sometimes my votes are in the minority.

« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2012, 14:22 »
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Hey people, I like America!
Oh hey wow, so you are a good guy after all!  That's great news.

So I guess the only thing I'm confused about now is your hope that the price of gas will increase 100X.  As far as I can tell the only thing that would happen there is the global economy would crash and burn.  Millions of people would lose their jobs and be unable to provide for their families.  Sounds like you love us Westerners so clearly that can't really be your "hope" can it? 

There are 3.78 Liters in a gallon.  If gas was $100 per liter that means it would be $378.00 per gallon.  It would cost me $9,450.00 for a tank of gas.  I would need 27,794 subscription sales per week to be able to get to work and back.  If you "like America" how can you hope for that. 

Sorry, but I choose to take your hatred personally.  I wasn't complimenting the photo of yours I linked above but rather expressing concern that your true "hope" is revealed there. 

lagereek

« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2012, 14:27 »
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Yep!  financial disater, global economic colapse, depression, etc, is another kind of war, not much better then conventional war, how can you hope for that?  beats me :-\

wut

« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2012, 15:40 »
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Yep!  financial disater, global economic colapse, depression, etc, is another kind of war, not much better then conventional war, how can you hope for that?  beats me :-\


Since you mentioned it, I watched this movie last week and it was pretty good, worth watching it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1615147/ . Plot:"Follows the key people at an investment bank, over a 24-hour period, during the early stages of the financial crisis". The title sure relates to MS industry ;D

« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2012, 16:18 »
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Hey people, I like America!
Oh hey wow, so you are a good guy after all!  That's great news.

So I guess the only thing I'm confused about now is your hope that the price of gas will increase 100X.  As far as I can tell the only thing that would happen there is the global economy would crash and burn.  Millions of people would lose their jobs and be unable to provide for their families.  Sounds like you love us Westerners so clearly that can't really be your "hope" can it?  

There are 3.78 Liters in a gallon.  If gas was $100 per liter that means it would be $378.00 per gallon.  It would cost me $9,450.00 for a tank of gas.  I would need 27,794 subscription sales per week to be able to get to work and back.  If you "like America" how can you hope for that.  

Sorry, but I choose to take your hatred personally.  I wasn't complimenting the photo of yours I linked above but rather expressing concern that your true "hope" is revealed there.  

Yes I like America like every other free country... Maybe that is not "love on first sight" , I haven't desire to live there (Croatia is quite good for me), but certainly this is not any type of hate...
$ 100 is just figurative matter, so I am surprised with your calculations ...
It represents only my desire for new technologies and abandoning dependence on oil ...
Maybe then they would stop wars and "revolutions" in those countries that have a bit more oil than average (Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, etc)... What a coincidence!
I'm sorry that you also misunderstood my picture ... It should be only a message that calls on caution. Dramatic image that should cause a positive reaction!

P.S.

I just wanted to send a message that "moral" people should not build their own standards on other people's suffering!
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 16:37 by borg »

wut

« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2012, 16:20 »
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Soon they'll start wars for water ;)

« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2012, 16:24 »
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I'm from Croatia also, as a matter of fact from most destroyed town in that war. (google Vukovar if someone don't know). That town, as opposite from Zagreb, really suffered from that horrible war.

From 1991 I live in Osijek, but that doesn't matter, I was too young to go to war.

When in 1995 NATO attacked Serbs in Bosnia most of people here were very happy about it. It was unfair war where ex-Yu army killed thousands of mostly unarmed Bosnian people in Sarajevo, Srebrenica and so on...

there were also war crimes committed by Bosnia people on unarmed Serbs, no doubt about that. In Croatia also. Not in volume what Serbs done in Vukovar, but crime is a crime, doesn't matter if serb, croat or bosnian done it.

Not a single "normal" (don't like to use that term) person would like to see people who committed war crimes walking free in the street.

Nothing in this world is black or white. To my fellow countryman who opened this thread, you live of money you made mostly from American stock companies, me also. I'm not a CNN/FOX/BBC blind freak, I can also see that the foreign policy USA was doing last decade or even before that is in some way very wrong. There are many countries mostly in Africa that may need some help, but without resources like oil or so, they are just not interesting for any actions. I also think that policy where noone can judge American soldiers for war crimes but American justice is wrong as long as other countries have to take their generals, soldiers to Hague for example. This is wrong if we are talking about equal rights to anyone. This way, it looks like few hundreds years ago, when only justice was military power, and that is wrong.

I don't want to imagine what would have been if Russia were world police. I don't want to tell that it will surely be apocalypse, not at all, but we all know that USSR was "divided" (sorry for my English) and there must have been good reasons for that.

No empire has lasted forever and none will, I would like to see some equal power on opposed sites and we will see this soon I believe, but would it be good think, time will tell.

I hate to see USA soldiers piss on dead soldiers in foreign countries, it is just plain wrong and makes world think of them what they think. Also term "collateral victims", where dozens of innocent children dies is something that either should stop, or someone need to feel consequences for their "mistakes".

One more thing is, most of Americans want to change USA foreign politics, but there is nothing people can really do. Corporations are too strong, so no new president can make any big change. I don't believe most Americans wants that thousands of their friends, brothers, fathers go to war on some unknown country. There were many protest against war, not only in USA, but in Israel also. But they, besides few protests, can't do anything about that.

Influential corps and individuals do these things, and they care about American/NATO soldiers same as they care about collateral victims of Iraqi children or any other nations.

Phew... long post. Sorry for my English again.

My point is, USA make some bad moves in foreign policy, but would the world be better if China or Russia were in place of "world police". Not so sure about it. Nothing is black or white. Only MJ song. ;)



 

lisafx

« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2012, 16:39 »
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Since you mentioned it, I watched this movie last week and it was pretty good, worth watching it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1615147/ . Plot:"Follows the key people at an investment bank, over a 24-hour period, during the early stages of the financial crisis". The title sure relates to MS industry ;D


Margin Call was a great movie.  Very illuminating.  I also liked Too Big To Fail, which was along similar lines. 

« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2012, 16:44 »
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Since you mentioned it, I watched this movie last week and it was pretty good, worth watching it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1615147/ . Plot:"Follows the key people at an investment bank, over a 24-hour period, during the early stages of the financial crisis". The title sure relates to MS industry ;D


Margin Call was a great movie.  Very illuminating.  I also liked Too Big To Fail, which was along similar lines. 


kind of enjoyed it too but the end its kind of fast, the dog at her ex wife etc I get the "moral" but just not good enough, deserved a better ending

« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2012, 16:47 »
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$ 100 is just figurative matter, so I am surprised with your calculations ...
It represents only my desire for new technologies and abandoning dependence on oil ...

I just wanted to send a message that "moral" people should not build their own standards on other people's suffering!

Huh, I guess I'm still a bit confused because what you just wrote seems a little bit different than the first post you made opening this thread.  In that post you said "But we are talking about RPI, PRD, intoxicated with our "gentle" lives, angry if oil jumps 1% ..."


That statement along with the title of the thread I interpreted to imply that you perceive us (when I say us, I mean those of us from the United States posting in this forum specifically since you mentioned our silly discussions of RPI and PRD) as spoiled or "gentle."  I didn't catch the part about your desire to see technology advancements in there.  Oh well, I guess it's my mistake.  

Oh wait...that last part of your last quote where you said "moral people should not build their own standards on other people's suffering!"  Who exactly are you referring to there?  I don't want there to be any more mixups.  Could you please elaborate and let me know who you are referring to with that statement?

Thanks,

Mat

wut

« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2012, 16:49 »
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Since you mentioned it, I watched this movie last week and it was pretty good, worth watching it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1615147/ . Plot:"Follows the key people at an investment bank, over a 24-hour period, during the early stages of the financial crisis". The title sure relates to MS industry ;D


Margin Call was a great movie.  Very illuminating.  I also liked Too Big To Fail, which was along similar lines. 


Tnx for the suggestion, I'll check it out. I liked margin call, because it's a movie not a documentary, basically they tell the same story, but in a different and a way more interesting way. I guess I've watched too many documentaries lately and I sometimes feel like my head is going to explode, I just can't absorb that much info (knowledge sometimes as well) in such a short period of time and I prefer actors to a narrator and interviews. I can just sit back and relax, you can't always do that while watching a documentary. I also liked a few of the scenes, when actors were explaining why the world needs ppl like them and my fav was when the big boss flew in and the VP warned them not to BS him, sugarcoat anything, just tell it straight, because no one of them was smart enough. I absolutely loved that speech/warning actually :)

lisafx

« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2012, 16:59 »
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Tnx for the suggestion, I'll check it out. I liked margin call, because it's a movie not a documentary, basically they tell the same story, but in a different and a way more interesting way. I guess I've watched too many documentaries lately and I sometimes feel like my head is going to explode, I just can't absorb that much info (knowledge sometimes as well) in such a short period of time and I prefer actors to a narrator and interviews. I can just sit back and relax, you can't always do that while watching a documentary. I also liked a few of the scenes, when actors were explaining why the world needs ppl like them and my fav was when the big boss flew in and the VP warned them not to BS him, sugarcoat anything, just tell it straight, because no one of them was smart enough. I absolutely loved that speech/warning actually :)


Yeah, I tend to agree with you.  I never studied economics or business in college, so I appreciate the way writers of a "fictionalized" version of events will break the concepts down for the layperson.  Plus you get a story to hold your interest.  Documentaries are a bit dry, for the most part.  Too Big To Fail is also a scripted account:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1742683/

« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2012, 18:14 »
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Huh, I guess I'm still a bit confused because what you just wrote seems a little bit different than the first post you made opening this thread.  In that post you said "But we are talking about RPI, PRD, intoxicated with our "gentle" lives, angry if oil jumps 1% ..."


That statement along with the title of the thread I interpreted to imply that you perceive us (when I say us, I mean those of us from the United States posting in this forum specifically since you mentioned our silly discussions of RPI and PRD) as spoiled or "gentle."  I didn't catch the part about your desire to see technology advancements in there.  Oh well, I guess it's my mistake.  

Oh wait...that last part of your last quote where you said "moral people should not build their own standards on other people's suffering!"  Who exactly are you referring to there?  I don't want there to be any more mixups.  Could you please elaborate and let me know who you are referring to with that statement?

Thanks,

Mat

Hi Mat!

...intoxicated with our "gentle" lives, angry if oil jumps 1% ..

My intention was to put all of us (NOT only people from US), including myself it that category... Also that was a general statement for average man life in "NON-3rd world countries"...

...specifically since you mentioned our silly discussions of RPI and PRD) as spoiled or "gentle."
"Silly discussion" is ALSO My discussion...
I refer on all OUR problems in "more or less money" category... This can be silly if we compared it with suffering of those children there...

...you said "moral people should not build their own standards on other people's suffering!"  Who exactly are you referring to there...

I am referring on all people who consider themselves moral and free and who can find justification for all that in my first post.
There is NO ethnic, national, racial, administrative or any other affiliation or restrictions...

It seems that my knowledge of English language is problem ... I apologize for that!
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 18:47 by borg »

« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2012, 19:01 »
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If the economy colapses because of gas price or the oil runs out (which will happen eventually), then we'll all ride bicycles and the world will be a better place. Live in the countryside, grow our own crops, do some gardening, rural life is best! ;)

« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2012, 19:17 »
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If the economy colapses because of gas price or the oil runs out (which will happen eventually), then we'll all ride bicycles and the world will be a better place. Live in the countryside, grow our own crops, do some gardening, rural life is best! ;)

with a Nikon/Canon repair nearby

« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2012, 19:20 »
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Huh, I guess I'm still a bit confused because what you just wrote seems a little bit different than the first post you made opening this thread.  In that post you said "But we are talking about RPI, PRD, intoxicated with our "gentle" lives, angry if oil jumps 1% ..."


That statement along with the title of the thread I interpreted to imply that you perceive us (when I say us, I mean those of us from the United States posting in this forum specifically since you mentioned our silly discussions of RPI and PRD) as spoiled or "gentle."  I didn't catch the part about your desire to see technology advancements in there.  Oh well, I guess it's my mistake.  

Oh wait...that last part of your last quote where you said "moral people should not build their own standards on other people's suffering!"  Who exactly are you referring to there?  I don't want there to be any more mixups.  Could you please elaborate and let me know who you are referring to with that statement?

Thanks,

Mat

Hi Mat!

...intoxicated with our "gentle" lives, angry if oil jumps 1% ..

My intention was to put all of us (NOT only people from US), including myself it that category... Also that was a general statement for average man life in "NON-3rd world countries"...

...specifically since you mentioned our silly discussions of RPI and PRD) as spoiled or "gentle."
"Silly discussion" is ALSO My discussion...
I refer on all OUR problems in "more or less money" category... This can be silly if we compared it with suffering of those children there...

...you said "moral people should not build their own standards on other people's suffering!"  Who exactly are you referring to there...

I am referring on all people who consider themselves moral and free and who can find justification for all that in my first post.
There is NO ethnic, national, racial, administrative or any other affiliation or restrictions...

It seems that my knowledge of English language is problem ... I apologize for that!

I interpreted it exactly like that.

« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2012, 20:33 »
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If the economy colapses because of gas price or the oil runs out (which will happen eventually), then we'll all ride bicycles and the world will be a better place. Live in the countryside, grow our own crops, do some gardening, rural life is best! ;)

with a Nikon/Canon repair nearby

Or at least within 50-100 km. The now much healthier humans will be able to cover long distances using the greatest invention in locomotion ever.

Uncle Pete

  • Evidence please...

« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2012, 01:39 »
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^^^ What's all this got to do with the price of oil? What about beer? Beer costs more than oil.

Beer, you're a piker. Think of a good single malt Scotch! Heck it must be $120 a liter! Even a good blended like Black Grouse costs 62 a Litre!

wut

« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2012, 04:52 »
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To lighten up the mood, I love this clip, we finally laugh to the intentional absurdness in politics :) http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-6-2012/words-of-warcraft

lagereek

« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2012, 06:56 »
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^^^ What's all this got to do with the price of oil? What about beer? Beer costs more than oil.

Beer, you're a piker. Think of a good single malt Scotch! Heck it must be $120 a liter! Even a good blended like Black Grouse costs 62 a Litre!

Yeah you want to go for a liter MacAllens or Glenfiddich, set you back about 150 bucks
« Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 07:40 by lagereek »

Microbius

« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2012, 08:08 »
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Mental note, must invade Scotland, yum yum

« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2012, 12:22 »
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Please dont get us wrong!  ofcourse we sympathise with you and its horrible, I agree, only sooner or later these discussions always leads up to the US and Great-Britain, being the bad guys, etc.
and its totally unfair, they have saved our @sses, plenty of times and will probabaly do so in future as well.

To be absolutely fair towards historic truth, USSR "saved" our asses from Nazi Germay. USA invaded Europe in June 1944 when the German Army was in full retreat across Poland, having effectively lost the war against the Red Army the previous year. The west front arguably just sped up the inevitable collapse of the German war machine.

rubyroo

« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2012, 12:48 »
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Although this is a bit of comedy about empire and war (and in case there's any doubt, he is taking the pee out of Britain as well as other countries), according to Eddie here, 25 million Russian soldiers and civilians lost their lives in WWII.  If accurate, that's just phenomenal.

DressToKill - Eddie Izzard on World War 2

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