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« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2011, 12:52 »
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I think youre president Bush was better then this clown Obama?  he seams a complete joke to us here in Europe. We wouldnt even consider him as a porter to open the front-doors to parliament, here in Europe.

Please speak only for yourself. He may be a joke to you, but your opinion may not be shared by "all of us here in Europe".


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« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2011, 12:58 »
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I think youre president Bush was better then this clown Obama?  he seams a complete joke to us here in Europe. We wouldnt even consider him as a porter to open the front-doors to parliament, here in Europe.

ohh, we sure do have much better 'leaders' and representatives, speakers all around here in Europe ;) Maffia man berlusconi, good old pedofile cohn-bendit... the whole nice hydrocephalic eu parlaiment with insanely stupid regulations obviuolsy aimed at wrecking certain ecomonies at request... etc etc

« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2011, 13:02 »
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I think youre president Bush was better then this clown Obama?  he seams a complete joke to us here in Europe. We wouldnt even consider him as a porter to open the front-doors to parliament, here in Europe.

Sounds like your over 55 and white

lisafx

« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2011, 13:07 »
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I think youre president Bush was better then this clown Obama?  he seams a complete joke to us here in Europe. We wouldnt even consider him as a porter to open the front-doors to parliament, here in Europe.

Sounds like your over 55 and white

;D.  Exactly. 

This is the kind of thing my 80 year old in-laws would say.  Any person of color, Harvard educated or not, is just a porter in a fancy suit.  They can't imagine him doing anything but carrying their luggage or parking their car.  Really pathetic.

jbarber873

« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2011, 13:19 »
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I think youre president Bush was better then this clown Obama?  he seams a complete joke to us here in Europe. We wouldnt even consider him as a porter to open the front-doors to parliament, here in Europe.

Sounds like your over 55 and white

  For a continent that spent most of the 20th century killing each other, you have a pretty good sense of superiority. With all of the conspiracy theories on this thread, all the hatred of Americans and the arrogance of people who have not made any effort to try to stop terrorism, as long as it stays away from them, you should be glad that someone in the world is making an effort to counter radical islamist and their mission of death. I didn't vote for Bush, and I hoped that Obama would get us out of the middle east faster, but when I see all this crap on these threads, my answer is to let Europeans deal with the islamic radicals themselves, instead of pretending that it's not there, and letting someone else do the job for them. I was at the world trade center on 9/11, and I for one, am happy Bin laden is dead.

Microbius

« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2011, 13:28 »
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? I'm not sure who that is directed to?
No one has said they are unhappy that Osama is dead.
One person made a comment that sounded very arrogant and bigoted.
No one attacked America in this thread as far as I can remember.
Let's not have this deteriorate into a slanging match between Americans and Europeans!
The last post seems to have come totally out of the blue!

« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2011, 13:49 »
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You didn't have to image that, you saw that and it's brought on emotions.  


I didn't see millions of Jews being killed and there are those that dispute the entire holocaust.

How can they keep the lid on everyone who was involved? Surely at some point things would be leaked. What about the Navy Seals that participated in the operation? The people in the Pakistani government who aided in locating him? What about all the intelligence officers involved in the op? It's not like it's just one person making this stuff up.


I don't think we should compare the holocaust with one elusive man that's been underground for a decade who the governement couldn't find in all that time.

Everyone involved?  Who was involved apart from the US government?  Are you saying the US government aren't equiped to set this up?  It was just raiding one property.  As for the Pakistani government aiding the US in finding him, that's the story the US have given.  They were on the ground at the time but they weren't directly involved and were clueless before the attack.  On CNN they said:

"A senior administration official told reporters that U.S. President Barack Obamas administration did not share intelligence gathered before the attack on bin Laden in Pakistan with any other country including Pakistan for security reasons."

http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/was-pakistan-involved-in-killing-of-osama-bin-laden-long-term-interests-of-u-s-hopes-so/

I just choose not to believe everything I hear or read from governements and politicians whose job is to lie.  

They just claimed that they now have DNA evidence but what would anyone expect them to say?  "oh sorry, we killed some random unknown... oops"?  I don't think so.  

They got rid of the only evidence they was real.  If in fact they killed anyone at all.  Also, they've been surveiling him since Aug 2010, surely they have some video footage they can show?  All we're seeing on CNN are the same images of OBL.  

Sorry, the more I read and hear, the more it looks like a cover up.  


There are still a lot of people involved in the entire intelligence gathering and in the operation itself. And you really think the special forces behind it would participate in a mock raid and then just go along with it when the government announces they killed Bin Laden? Many people in the US military don't even like Obama that much, so if it's a lie, I'm sure the truth will out eventually, maybe on Wikileaks or some other source. If OBL is NOT dead, you can be sure he's going to let everyone know.

You could dissect just about anything in the world and find oddities and peculiarities about most anything if you wanted to. Truth stranger than fiction and all that...

jbarber873

« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2011, 13:53 »
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? I'm not sure who that is directed to?
No one has said they are unhappy that Osama is dead.
One person made a comment that sounded very arrogant and bigoted.
No one attacked America in this thread as far as I can remember.
Let's not have this deteriorate into a slanging match between Americans and Europeans!
The last post seems to have come totally out of the blue!

The post was aimed at pseudonymous, who has posted page after page of drivel, and lagereek, who was in the quote above. These are some of the posts from pseudonymous below:

This is fishy as.  Anyone who doesn't question the US government in this case has a screw loose.
It all sounds like propaganda to me.

 Perhaps the US government conveniently put fake Osama there as an excuse to go to war with Pakistan to retrieve nuclear weapons.  That's what I think is happening.

The story that eventually comes out will be designed to fit whatever fantasy is considered most appropriate by the Pentagon/White House, without regard for whether or not it's true.

This story is just off and without any real evidence, one can't help but think that the US governement didn't fabricate this entire thing for some alterior motive.  I mean it wouldn't be the first time propaganda is used in the middle of a war.

I should have made that clearer, but the distain for anything american has come through loud and clear on these posts. Perhaps to you that's not attacking america. I beg to differ. If that's out of the blue, perhaps I'm reading a different thread? Although you did respond to the "alterium motive" post. I guess we'll have to define attack differently.

« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2011, 13:59 »
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It happened. I know it's hard to believe that one of the largest and best trained militaries in the world could manage to track down one bearded dude in 10 years, but they did. It happened.

« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2011, 15:06 »
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I guess this will add to some mysteries like:

- what happened at Roswell?
- who killed JFK?
- did MM really commit suicide?
- did man really land on the Moon?
- what happened to Ronaldo before the 1998 World Cup final?

« Reply #85 on: May 02, 2011, 15:18 »
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I guess this will add to some mysteries like:

- what happened at Roswell?
- who killed JFK?
- did MM really commit suicide?
- did man really land on the Moon?
- what happened to Ronaldo before the 1998 World Cup final?

Is Elvis still alive?

« Reply #86 on: May 02, 2011, 15:22 »
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I guess this will add to some mysteries like:

- what happened at Roswell?
- who killed JFK?
- did MM really commit suicide?
- did man really land on the Moon?
- what happened to Ronaldo before the 1998 World Cup final?
Those are easy.
- what happened at Roswell?  Nothing, that ones all made up.
- who killed JFK?  Lee Harvey Oswald, the conspiracy theory was torn to shreds in an excellent BBC documentary.
- did MM really commit suicide?  Yes, unfortunately that happens sometimes.
- did man really land on the Moon?  Most definitely yes, they can't fake the hasselblad moon photos that I've see blown up to huge sizes in an exhibition.
- what happened to Ronaldo before the 1998 World Cup final?  I don't know about that one, was it food poisoning?  That also happens sometimes without a conspiracy.

« Reply #87 on: May 02, 2011, 15:29 »
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I guess this will add to some mysteries like:

- what happened at Roswell?
- who killed JFK?
- did MM really commit suicide?
- did man really land on the Moon?
- what happened to Ronaldo before the 1998 World Cup final?

Is Elvis still alive?

Will the Leafs ever win the cup?

« Reply #88 on: May 02, 2011, 17:39 »
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IMHO, part of the problem is leaders in America are so worried about upsetting special interest groups or non-special interest groups that things such as this are done (killed, no photos, buried in accordance with his religion, etc).

I was Special Forces in the Army; that was a long long time ago but these men do their job.  The shame of it is they are wrapped up in this mess because of orders from superiors.  I am * proud of the job they did and their ability to obey orders; regardless whether they agree with them or not.

Even if we had the photos of his bullet ridden body; we would still have the nuts claiming other problems.  "There is a bullet in the back of his head, must have been killed while running away.  Bullet hole in the back, we shot an unarmed man.  Two hundred bullet wounds, did we need that level of overkill."

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« Reply #89 on: May 02, 2011, 20:48 »
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There are still a lot of people involved in the entire intelligence gathering and in the operation itself. And you really think the special forces behind it would participate in a mock raid and then just go along with it when the government announces they killed Bin Laden? Many people in the US military don't even like Obama that much, so if it's a lie, I'm sure the truth will out eventually, maybe on Wikileaks or some other source. If OBL is NOT dead, you can be sure he's going to let everyone know.

You could dissect just about anything in the world and find oddities and peculiarities about most anything if you wanted to. Truth stranger than fiction and all that...

Yes I do.  Absolutely I do.  If anyone could pull this one off it's the special forces.  Unfortunately the truth will never eventuate.  How can it when we have no real evidence? 

No one said OBL is not dead.  Im saying its quite possible he wasnt killed two days ago by the US government.  I think the US have no clue if hes alive or dead.  I think they need to produce a body (and bury it quickly) to bring some closure to this, pull the troops from Afghanistan and possibly start a bitch fight with the Pakistani government to get rid of nuclear weapons... just like they did with Iraq.

« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2011, 20:53 »
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Yes I do.  Absolutely I do.  If anyone could pull this one off it's the special forces.  Unfortunately the truth will never eventuate.  How can it when we have no real evidence? 

No one said OBL is not dead.  Im saying its quite possible he wasnt killed two days ago by the US government.  I think the US have no clue if hes alive or dead.  I think they need to produce a body (and bury it quickly) to bring some closure to this, pull the troops from Afghanistan and possibly start a bitch fight with the Pakistani government to get rid of nuclear weapons... just like they did with Iraq.

If it was faked, it will be discovered, probably via Wikileaks. And as someone who lives in the US, I know for certain it would be political suicide for Obama to fake this. I don't believe they did. But you are not alone. There are plenty of deathers out there in force who would very much like it all to be fake.

The US is not going to start a war with Pakistan. You really should stop now.

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« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2011, 20:56 »
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? I'm not sure who that is directed to?
No one has said they are unhappy that Osama is dead.
One person made a comment that sounded very arrogant and bigoted.
No one attacked America in this thread as far as I can remember.
Let's not have this deteriorate into a slanging match between Americans and Europeans!
The last post seems to have come totally out of the blue!

The post was aimed at pseudonymous, who has posted page after page of drivel, and lagereek, who was in the quote above. These are some of the posts from pseudonymous below:

This is fishy as.  Anyone who doesn't question the US government in this case has a screw loose.
It all sounds like propaganda to me.

 Perhaps the US government conveniently put fake Osama there as an excuse to go to war with Pakistan to retrieve nuclear weapons.  That's what I think is happening.

The story that eventually comes out will be designed to fit whatever fantasy is considered most appropriate by the Pentagon/White House, without regard for whether or not it's true.

This story is just off and without any real evidence, one can't help but think that the US governement didn't fabricate this entire thing for some alterior motive.  I mean it wouldn't be the first time propaganda is used in the middle of a war.

I should have made that clearer, but the distain for anything american has come through loud and clear on these posts. Perhaps to you that's not attacking america. I beg to differ. If that's out of the blue, perhaps I'm reading a different thread? Although you did respond to the "alterium motive" post. I guess we'll have to define attack differently.

Oh it was aimed at me, was it?

You wrote:
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For a continent that spent most of the 20th century killing each other, you have a pretty good sense of superiority. With all of the conspiracy theories on this thread, all the hatred of Americans and the arrogance of people who have not made any effort to try to stop terrorism, as long as it stays away from them, you should be glad that someone in the world is making an effort to counter radical islamist and their mission of death. I didn't vote for Bush, and I hoped that Obama would get us out of the middle east faster, but when I see all this crap on these threads, my answer is to let Europeans deal with the islamic radicals themselves, instead of pretending that it's not there, and letting someone else do the job for them. I was at the world trade center on 9/11, and I for one, am happy Bin laden is dead.

I think the only drivel in this thread is yours.  Youre clearly driven by emotion and therefore cannot fully comprehend the posts on this thread and interpret it as an attack on Americans.  How was my post attacking Americans?  I wasnt agreeing with the US governments cockeyed story that doesnt add up and if anything, I was attacking the government for trying to pull the wool over Americans eyes because theyre using propaganda and emotion to make you believe anything.... its working in your case.
One person on this thread made a bigoted comment about Obama but wasnt attacking America as a whole.  Obama is a president of the US and you have to expect that theres going to be some people who dont like him or dont agree with his policies.  There are millions of Americans who didnt vote for him and say worse things about Obama... are they attacking Americans too?  My posts dont show any distain for Americans, only disdain for the US government who I believe is trying to cover something up.  I believed OBL was probably dead a long time ago and I believed this a long time ago.... way before your president put together these little events that seem like a charade.  

Im sorry if Im not one to take Obamas word as it is... and you are.  The US government had to have known that a situation like this would require substantial evidence but they went ahead and tossed it in the ocean?  I dont believe they had a body to toss in the ocean.

I have nothing against the Americans but Im saying that this should be questioned because nothing adds up and theres no evidence produced to back anything up... just their word and we all know that the word of a politician doesnt go very far... regardless of which country they lead.  How can anyone not question this story?  Let me summarise why I think its all too fishy:

1.   We have a 40 minute firefight and a video of a room that doesnt look like it was in a 40 minute firefight.
2.   We have a burnt down mansion and a room that doesnt look like it was involved in a fire.
3.   We have a dead OBL but the body was disposed of immediately.
4.   We have apparent DNA evidence that was gathered and ivestigated by the people who are telling this story.
5.   We have Obama saying no American was injured or hurt in this fight, yet one of the US choppers was shot down and crashed into the mansion destroying further evidence.
6.   We have OBL supposedly hiding in a mansion located close to the Pakistan military base... is this going to be used as an excuse in the future to start a fight with Pakistan to get in there and take their Nuclear weapons?
7.   We have eight months of surveillance by the US government, yet there is no footage of OBL or anyone in that time.
8.   We have images of OBL on CNN claiming to be new photos of OBL yet he doesnt look any older than he did 10 years ago.

How can anyone not question Obama on this?  How can anyone just take his word when all these things dont add up?

« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2011, 21:03 »
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^^^ wow.... what other conspiracies do you believe in? and the funny thing is there are lots of pple like you.

TheSmilingAssassin

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« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2011, 21:04 »
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Yes I do.  Absolutely I do.  If anyone could pull this one off it's the special forces.  Unfortunately the truth will never eventuate.  How can it when we have no real evidence? 

No one said OBL is not dead.  Im saying its quite possible he wasnt killed two days ago by the US government.  I think the US have no clue if hes alive or dead.  I think they need to produce a body (and bury it quickly) to bring some closure to this, pull the troops from Afghanistan and possibly start a bitch fight with the Pakistani government to get rid of nuclear weapons... just like they did with Iraq.

If it was faked, it will be discovered, probably via Wikileaks. And as someone who lives in the US, I know for certain it would be political suicide for Obama to fake this. I don't believe they did. But you are not alone. There are plenty of deathers out there in force who would very much like it all to be fake.

The US is not going to start a war with Pakistan. You really should stop now.

I think they covered their tracks carefully enough so it can't be discovered.  Only speculation will come about.  Nothing will ever be proven.

I don't think this is political suicide for Obama.  The parties in the streets at 3am in the morning make it clear that Americans are happy to believe Obama killed Osama and will vote for him because of this.  It's easy to pursade people directly effected by this that OBL was killed, by using emotionally-driven propaganda.

It looks like OBL was killed.  The people want to believe OBL was killed... therefore he was killed.  No evidence was required.  

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« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2011, 21:07 »
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^^^ wow.... what other conspiracies do you believe in? and the funny thing is there are lots of pple like you.

These aren't conspiracies these are questions I'm raising because these things clearly look off.

Unfortunately... and the funnier thing is, that there are more like you who will believe anything thrown at them without questioning it.  It makes politics quite achievable ;)

« Reply #95 on: May 02, 2011, 21:14 »
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I don't think this is political suicide for Obama.  The parties in the streets at 3am in the morning make it clear that Americans are happy to believe Obama killed Osama and will vote for him because of this.  It's easy to pursade people directly effected by this that OBL was killed, by using emotionally-driven propaganda.


You are flat out wrong. I live in the US and I see for myself there are many Americans questioning it. Obama isn't getting the boost you seem to think he's getting. Yes, some Americans partied in the street, but not the entire population. You are making blanket statements when you don't even know the reality of things.

« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2011, 21:21 »
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1.   We have a 40 minute firefight and a video of a room that doesnt look like it was in a 40 minute firefight.
2.   We have a burnt down mansion and a room that doesnt look like it was involved in a fire.
3.   We have a dead OBL but the body was disposed of immediately.
4.   We have apparent DNA evidence that was gathered and ivestigated by the people who are telling this story.
5.   We have Obama saying no American was injured or hurt in this fight, yet one of the US choppers was shot down and crashed into the mansion destroying further evidence.
6.   We have OBL supposedly hiding in a mansion located close to the Pakistan military base... is this going to be used as an excuse in the future to start a fight with Pakistan to get in there and take their Nuclear weapons?
7.   We have eight months of surveillance by the US government, yet there is no footage of OBL or anyone in that time.
8.   We have images of OBL on CNN claiming to be new photos of OBL yet he doesnt look any older than he did 10 years ago.



1. Who said the entire 40 minute firefight was held in one room? And what does a room look like after a 40 minute firefight? Did you see the video of the room? It was trashed and there was blood all over the floor. Probably faked too though, right?
2. The compound was 1 acre. What makes you think the helicopter crashed directly into where they were fighting or that the mansion was burnt down?
3. Probably not the wisest choice, but supposedly there are photos.
4. Who would you expect to gather and test the evidence?
5. How do you know the copter crashed into the mansion?
6. No.
7. How do you know survelliance means *video* sureveillance? There are lots of ways to monitor people, not just by video. And it's unlikely they were even able to get video. I did not see any reports of them claiming they had video surveillance.
8. Haven't heard about any "new" photos of OBL. Is that CNN's goof or the governments?

Noodles

« Reply #97 on: May 02, 2011, 21:27 »
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Well done America. 10 Years was a long wait and I hope it brings some comfort to those who lost loved ones on 9/11

« Reply #98 on: May 02, 2011, 22:22 »
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^^^ wow.... what other conspiracies do you believe in? and the funny thing is there are lots of pple like you.

These aren't conspiracies these are questions I'm raising because these things clearly look off.

Unfortunately... and the funnier thing is, that there are more like you who will believe anything thrown at them without questioning it.  It makes politics quite achievable ;)

funny how u lump everybody that questions your thought process as some sort of brainwashed imbeciles...
Im sure you have tons of questions swirling inside your head

donding

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« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2011, 22:36 »
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OK OK let's not get too excited

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake





1.   We have a 40 minute firefight and a video of a room that doesnt look like it was in a 40 minute firefight.
2.   We have a burnt down mansion and a room that doesnt look like it was involved in a fire.
3.   We have a dead OBL but the body was disposed of immediately.
4.   We have apparent DNA evidence that was gathered and ivestigated by the people who are telling this story.
5.   We have Obama saying no American was injured or hurt in this fight, yet one of the US choppers was shot down and crashed into the mansion destroying further evidence.
6.   We have OBL supposedly hiding in a mansion located close to the Pakistan military base... is this going to be used as an excuse in the future to start a fight with Pakistan to get in there and take their Nuclear weapons?
7.   We have eight months of surveillance by the US government, yet there is no footage of OBL or anyone in that time.
8.   We have images of OBL on CNN claiming to be new photos of OBL yet he doesnt look any older than he did 10 years ago.




pseudonymous...maybe you need to read earlier in this thread about the picture...maybe you need to check out your sources before you start throwing more propaganda out there.

Looking at the pictures I wouldn't exactly call that a mansion. It had 18 foot walls with barbed wire around them.

I know of people who have crashed in helicopters and were not killed or wounded.

I don't recall them saying the "so called mansion" burnt to the ground either. The fire could have been anywhere on the outside which was photographed, but I don't think that meant it burnt to the ground.

More information will come out in the following days and I'm not going to make judgement until all the facts come into play.


 

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