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« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2017, 20:15 »
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Have any of you rejects received payout yet? I understand they will pay us what they owe us. It's not much for me but I still want it.
I assume they will wait till they get round to removing our unworthy efforts mine were still hanging around spoiling the look of their brilliant collection.
Thanks Pauws. I assumed they would have deleted them straight away, but you're right, mine are also still there. I would have thought it would be very easy to disable and delete our accounts but apparently not...


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« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2017, 22:21 »
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They are having too much fun playing with us "meager" contributors. They will rip that band aid off nice and slow...
I deleted/disabled ALL of my selling files when they started making contributors pay "their share" of taxes.

« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2017, 18:07 »
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Have any of you rejects received payout yet? I understand they will pay us what they owe us. It's not much for me but I still want it.
I assume they will wait till they get round to removing our unworthy efforts mine were still hanging around spoiling the look of their brilliant collection.
Thanks Pauws. I assumed they would have deleted them straight away, but you're right, mine are also still there. I would have thought it would be very easy to disable and delete our accounts but apparently not...
Yep but they might start losing money from our sales....but wait a minute our efforts aren't good enough to sell. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they forget who they have got rid of.

« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2017, 19:51 »
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Have any of you rejects received payout yet? I understand they will pay us what they owe us. It's not much for me but I still want it.
I assume they will wait till they get round to removing our unworthy efforts mine were still hanging around spoiling the look of their brilliant collection.
Thanks Pauws. I assumed they would have deleted them straight away, but you're right, mine are also still there. I would have thought it would be very easy to disable and delete our accounts but apparently not...
Yep but they might start losing money from our sales....but wait a minute our efforts aren't good enough to sell. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they forget who they have got rid of.
You might be right  :o  ;D
Honestly, they won't miss my port at all but I'm sure there are plenty of you that are making good money for them!

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« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2017, 08:51 »
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I'll bite.

Photography is one of the easiest hobbies to get into right now. Everyone and their grandma has a camera with a phone. There are 600 million Instagram users and many of them consider themselves photographers. The stock photography market is one of the most saturated markets in existence and the value of photos are dropping by the day. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Everyone already knows the laws of supply of demand, so it speaks for itself.

So what is the solution? There is no one solution that fits all. There are a number of solutions and whether it works or not depends on the talent and determination of the contributor. So what are possible solutions?

1. Diversity. Photos, vectors and videos. A pure photography portfolio is going the see faster continued decline than a diverse one.

2. Think commercially. Original ideas doesn't mean anything unless it's something the buyers need. I've seen some of my original ideas getting outperformed by non-original ideas by 100-1.

3. Stop going after niches. Pebble watch tried to fill a niche and now it's dead, got destroyed by Apple and Android watches. Niches always get filled in by the big guys sooner or later.

4. Learn some SEO and keywordings. With 100 million images on SS, top-notch keywording is super important if you want your work to be found. An image with good keywording is more resistant to search engine changes. Native English speakers have an advantage over foreign contributors and I rarely see them take advantage of it.

5. Learn to compete with the best of them. Contributors are not entitled to get sales because they uploading some images, just like how college students are not entitled to a job just because they have a degree. Buyers only need a few images and if what you're offering is not up there with best of them, then the buyer will pass your image over. That's just reality.

6. Learn a new trade. Microstock was my 2nd passive income trade, right after developing apps. The App market has gone to **** and Microstock is heaven compared to that madness. Less work and much higher returns. I'm now working on my 3rd passive income stream and it's starting to gain traction.

7. Accept that the market is never going backwards. No nuclear bomb will be going off destroying everything and rebirthing the market. Even if does happen, all the contributors will fill it back up in a matter of weeks. The market will continue to saturate, just like every other industry in existence. This makes point #5 super important.

So go ahead, bltch, moan and complain. It won't solve problems. Meanwhile, some optimistic upstart somewhere is determined to create and upload high valued content and start eating other people's lunches.

I like the list and can agree with pretty much everything but point 3 really bothers me.

Granted some niches are easily to replicate, but i think overall it's better to be a specialist in a few areas of photography than a generalist in many. In my opinion, more than niche it's about identifying trends that will be popular in the near future. 

« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2017, 09:48 »
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I only do video, so what I say doesn't necessarily relate to the photo market.
I have been in this game for less than two years.
Sometimes what looks like complaining from newbies or people relatively new to stock is just trying to understand the rules of the game.
It must be said that a lot of strange things happen here, and in particular there is a huge level of manipulation in sales byagencies.
Understanding how things work is extremely important in order to survive in this game, it is not easy at all and the only way to get any clue is through this forum

« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2017, 10:27 »
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I'll bite.

Photography is one of the easiest hobbies to get into right now. Everyone and their grandma has a camera with a phone. There are 600 million Instagram users and many of them consider themselves photographers. The stock photography market is one of the most saturated markets in existence and the value of photos are dropping by the day. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Everyone already knows the laws of supply of demand, so it speaks for itself.

So what is the solution? There is no one solution that fits all. There are a number of solutions and whether it works or not depends on the talent and determination of the contributor. So what are possible solutions?

1. Diversity. Photos, vectors and videos. A pure photography portfolio is going the see faster continued decline than a diverse one.

2. Think commercially. Original ideas doesn't mean anything unless it's something the buyers need. I've seen some of my original ideas getting outperformed by non-original ideas by 100-1.

3. Stop going after niches. Pebble watch tried to fill a niche and now it's dead, got destroyed by Apple and Android watches. Niches always get filled in by the big guys sooner or later.

4. Learn some SEO and keywordings. With 100 million images on SS, top-notch keywording is super important if you want your work to be found. An image with good keywording is more resistant to search engine changes. Native English speakers have an advantage over foreign contributors and I rarely see them take advantage of it.

5. Learn to compete with the best of them. Contributors are not entitled to get sales because they uploading some images, just like how college students are not entitled to a job just because they have a degree. Buyers only need a few images and if what you're offering is not up there with best of them, then the buyer will pass your image over. That's just reality.

6. Learn a new trade. Microstock was my 2nd passive income trade, right after developing apps. The App market has gone to **** and Microstock is heaven compared to that madness. Less work and much higher returns. I'm now working on my 3rd passive income stream and it's starting to gain traction.

7. Accept that the market is never going backwards. No nuclear bomb will be going off destroying everything and rebirthing the market. Even if does happen, all the contributors will fill it back up in a matter of weeks. The market will continue to saturate, just like every other industry in existence. This makes point #5 super important.

So go ahead, bltch, moan and complain. It won't solve problems. Meanwhile, some optimistic upstart somewhere is determined to create and upload high valued content and start eating other people's lunches.

I like the list and can agree with pretty much everything but point 3 really bothers me.

Granted some niches are easily to replicate, but i think overall it's better to be a specialist in a few areas of photography than a generalist in many. In my opinion, more than niche it's about identifying trends that will be popular in the near future.
To me a niche is a small specialist area that the big boys don't find economic to compete in as the volume isn't there insects maybe? something  like "pebble"  was an innovation....if you find something new milk it for all its worth but yes sooner or later others will follow. The only thing I would add is if you want it to be your main income source treat it as a business not a hobby or artistic pursuit.

« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2017, 13:52 »
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I like the list and can agree with pretty much everything but point 3 really bothers me.

Granted some niches are easily to replicate, but i think overall it's better to be a specialist in a few areas of photography than a generalist in many. In my opinion, more than niche it's about identifying trends that will be popular in the near future.

You're right. I should amend that and say don't go exclusively or spend the majority of your time on niches. I would encourage spending some time on niches. It usually have a nice burst of sales in the beginning. The danger is of course having all your earnings dry up once everyone else start filling that niche.

Being first to market, if you can find a market that is fresh is important. The problem is that it's not sustainable in the long run. That's why diversification is needed in every portfolio.

« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2017, 14:57 »
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People have to be more optimist. This forum look like a complain forum, people have to be more possitive. We have to concentrate in find solutions and do things better.

Sorry, but why do you get to decide how "people have to" feel?

  I was more positive when there was a correlation between my efforts and my rewards.  To be optimistic when there is absolutely no empirical evidence for optimism is delisional. 

« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2017, 16:48 »
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People have to be more optimist. This forum look like a complain forum, people have to be more possitive. We have to concentrate in find solutions and do things better.

Sorry, but why do you get to decide how "people have to" feel?

  I was more positive when there was a correlation between my efforts and my rewards.  To be optimistic when there is absolutely no empirical evidence for optimism is delisional.
In the end though you have to do something either carry on and make the best of it or do something that makes you happy. If you are convinced its that bad time to move on for your sanity.

« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2017, 19:58 »
+4
He is complaining about complainers!!

I like it!!

Is like "Complainception"
« Last Edit: February 19, 2017, 20:01 by Mrblues101 »

« Reply #86 on: February 20, 2017, 00:00 »
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People have to be more optimist. This forum look like a complain forum, people have to be more possitive. We have to concentrate in find solutions and do things better.

Sorry, but why do you get to decide how "people have to" feel?

  I was more positive when there was a correlation between my efforts and my rewards.  To be optimistic when there is absolutely no empirical evidence for optimism is delisional.
In the end though you have to do something either carry on and make the best of it or do something that makes you happy. If you are convinced its that bad time to move on for your sanity.

Eventually I expect that will happen.  But as I said earlier in the thread, in spite of all the income loss, I managed to build a large, high quality enough portfolio to keep bringing in some royalties for another few years.  At least as much as I would make in a real world job, with my skill set. 

So no, I'm not going to drag my 50+ year old, sciatica plagued body out to learn a new trade that won't pay what I'm making now.  I'm gonna wring every drop of passive income I can out of micro, and I'm gonna be mad every time some greedy agency takes another chunk of my retirement income away to line their pockets.

If you can't understand the logic in that, you are free to disagree, but you're not gonna shut me up.  I have as much right to complain about unfair practices as anyone else.  And in case you didn't notice,  the people who are upset about falling incomes seem to outnumber the blissful ones by a pretty high margin.  It did NOT used to be that way. When there was nothing to complain about,  nobody had to run around telling people to stop complaining.

PS.  My sanity is in good shape.  Insanity would be to see your livlihood going down the toilet and NOT   have a problem with that!
« Last Edit: February 20, 2017, 00:04 by PixelBytes »

« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2017, 00:14 »
+1
A little something for the delicate souls who can't handle complaining.  Don't worry.  EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/3DWB7CBdvXU

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« Reply #88 on: February 20, 2017, 01:37 »
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A little something for the delicate souls who can't handle complaining.  Don't worry.  EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/3DWB7CBdvXU

Classic choon!

« Reply #89 on: February 20, 2017, 03:07 »
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People have to be more optimist. This forum look like a complain forum, people have to be more possitive. We have to concentrate in find solutions and do things better.

Sorry, but why do you get to decide how "people have to" feel?

  I was more positive when there was a correlation between my efforts and my rewards.  To be optimistic when there is absolutely no empirical evidence for optimism is delisional.
In the end though you have to do something either carry on and make the best of it or do something that makes you happy. If you are convinced its that bad time to move on for your sanity.

Eventually I expect that will happen.  But as I said earlier in the thread, in spite of all the income loss, I managed to build a large, high quality enough portfolio to keep bringing in some royalties for another few years.  At least as much as I would make in a real world job, with my skill set. 

So no, I'm not going to drag my 50+ year old, sciatica plagued body out to learn a new trade that won't pay what I'm making now.  I'm gonna wring every drop of passive income I can out of micro, and I'm gonna be mad every time some greedy agency takes another chunk of my retirement income away to line their pockets.

If you can't understand the logic in that, you are free to disagree, but you're not gonna shut me up.  I have as much right to complain about unfair practices as anyone else.  And in case you didn't notice,  the people who are upset about falling incomes seem to outnumber the blissful ones by a pretty high margin.  It did NOT used to be that way. When there was nothing to complain about,  nobody had to run around telling people to stop complaining.

PS.  My sanity is in good shape.  Insanity would be to see your livelihood going down the toilet and NOT   have a problem with that!
OK thats fine it remains a good alternative for you ...for me "going down the toilet" means almost no income e.g a stagecoach wheel maker. I have no problem with complaints about unfair practice of course we should complain about them . Its the unfocused "we are all DOOMED" rants that don't seem very productive.

« Reply #90 on: February 20, 2017, 03:13 »
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Eventually I expect that will happen.  But as I said earlier in the thread, in spite of all the income loss, I managed to build a large, high quality enough portfolio to keep bringing in some royalties for another few years.  At least as much as I would make in a real world job, with my skill set. 

So no, I'm not going to drag my 50+ year old, sciatica plagued body out to learn a new trade that won't pay what I'm making now.  I'm gonna wring every drop of passive income I can out of micro, and I'm gonna be mad every time some greedy agency takes another chunk of my retirement income away to line their pockets.

If you can't understand the logic in that, you are free to disagree, but you're not gonna shut me up.  I have as much right to complain about unfair practices as anyone else.  And in case you didn't notice,  the people who are upset about falling incomes seem to outnumber the blissful ones by a pretty high margin.  It did NOT used to be that way. When there was nothing to complain about,  nobody had to run around telling people to stop complaining.

PS.  My sanity is in good shape.  Insanity would be to see your livlihood going down the toilet and NOT   have a problem with that!

Obviously, this is partially directed at me. If you look at my points, and read it in context, you'll see that I didn't ask you learn a new trade. I was suggesting learning other ways to generate passive income. If you think veterans have it hard, the newbies have it even harder. They have compete against 100 million images, whereas the veterans have many images that are well-established in the search results. You can call me inexperienced all you like, but I didn't break into SS's top tier and FT's weekly top 100 in less than 2 years if I didn't know what I was doing. I had to learn things faster than the veterans and I had to work harder.

You already know how to generate passive income with Microstock, so that experience can translate to a number of other fields that can serve as complimentary income. That's all I suggest. You don't need years, just months. I learned to make apps in 2 months with no programming experience. I went into microstock with no experience other than as a buyer of stock images. I know some people here are younger, and while you have some valid excuses, some don't. They waste plenty of time talking about Trump when they could put that time to better use.

I'm no spring chicken myself. In Silicon Valley, I'm considered over the hill, and yet I force myself to learn new things constantly otherwise I'll get left behind. My optimistic attitude isn't some delusion, it's a necessity. Believe me when I tell you this, microstockers have it much easier than app developers. They spend 2 months on something only to give it away for FREE to serve ads, and many people don't download random free apps anymore. Other than Getty, whom I've always said was predatory company, the other agencies treat people relatively fairly. Maybe things aren't what they were 10 years ago, but nothing ever is. The market is saturated and there are over 150,000 contributors. That's the world we live in.


« Reply #91 on: February 20, 2017, 14:02 »
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Eventually I expect that will happen.  But as I said earlier in the thread, in spite of all the income loss, I managed to build a large, high quality enough portfolio to keep bringing in some royalties for another few years.  At least as much as I would make in a real world job, with my skill set. 

So no, I'm not going to drag my 50+ year old, sciatica plagued body out to learn a new trade that won't pay what I'm making now.  I'm gonna wring every drop of passive income I can out of micro, and I'm gonna be mad every time some greedy agency takes another chunk of my retirement income away to line their pockets.

If you can't understand the logic in that, you are free to disagree, but you're not gonna shut me up.  I have as much right to complain about unfair practices as anyone else.  And in case you didn't notice,  the people who are upset about falling incomes seem to outnumber the blissful ones by a pretty high margin.  It did NOT used to be that way. When there was nothing to complain about,  nobody had to run around telling people to stop complaining.

PS.  My sanity is in good shape.  Insanity would be to see your livlihood going down the toilet and NOT   have a problem with that!

Obviously, this is partially directed at me. If you look at my points, and read it in context, you'll see that I didn't ask you learn a new trade. I was suggesting learning other ways to generate passive income. If you think veterans have it hard, the newbies have it even harder. They have compete against 100 million images, whereas the veterans have many images that are well-established in the search results. You can call me inexperienced all you like, but I didn't break into SS's top tier and FT's weekly top 100 in less than 2 years if I didn't know what I was doing. I had to learn things faster than the veterans and I had to work harder.

You already know how to generate passive income with Microstock, so that experience can translate to a number of other fields that can serve as complimentary income. That's all I suggest. You don't need years, just months. I learned to make apps in 2 months with no programming experience. I went into microstock with no experience other than as a buyer of stock images. I know some people here are younger, and while you have some valid excuses, some don't. They waste plenty of time talking about Trump when they could put that time to better use.

I'm no spring chicken myself. In Silicon Valley, I'm considered over the hill, and yet I force myself to learn new things constantly otherwise I'll get left behind. My optimistic attitude isn't some delusion, it's a necessity. Believe me when I tell you this, microstockers have it much easier than app developers. They spend 2 months on something only to give it away for FREE to serve ads, and many people don't download random free apps anymore. Other than Getty, whom I've always said was predatory company, the other agencies treat people relatively fairly. Maybe things aren't what they were 10 years ago, but nothing ever is. The market is saturated and there are over 150,000 contributors. That's the world we live in.

Actually it wasn't directed at you.  Although I have already done most of the bullet points in your post, it was at least constructive and maybe helpful to some who are just now hitting the wall and maybe looking to slow their losses for a few more years.

I don't dispute for a minute that newbies to microstock have it harder.  Most likely they will never earn a living at this, much less the six figure incomes some of us made in the good years.  OTOH, they also presumably are supporting themselves and their families doing something else.  They didn't quit their day jobs, invest in outfitting studios, incorporation, business insurance,  compiling props, paying pro models, paid locations, etc and spend 40-60 hours a week building a professional stock photo business.

If this had only ever been a couple hundred bucks a month for gear to feed a hobby I'd be perfectly content.  But most of us who are really upset about the loss of income have been either completely or partly supporting ourselves with our microstock incomes for the better part of a decade.  When your pocket money is threatened, then you can afford to be philosophical.  When your LIVLIHOOD is threatened you are justified in being scared, and when it is threatened for no other reason than to put a few more billions in some hedge fund or Wall Street trading prick's pockets, you are justified in being PISSED.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2017, 00:45 by PixelBytes »

niktol

« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2017, 10:49 »
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When your LIVLIHOOD is threatened you are justified in being scared, and when it is threatened for no other reason than to put a few more billions in some hedge fund or Wall Street trading prick's pockets, you are justified in being PISSED.

It is understandable, but why here? It's an obscure specialized message board, and yet the most popular thread is about some politicians. As if policy makers attend and take notes. Same with the market. We cannot give away anything but likes. Likes just do not cut it for me, so I am looking for solutions. Solutions aren't discussed on this forum, which is also understandable.

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« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2017, 15:25 »
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I loved this "Stop Complaining" thread when I saw it a couple days ago.  Now I check back and it's on page four with what looks like a whole lot of complaining, haha.  Awesome!  Keep up the good work!

« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2017, 23:04 »
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When your LIVLIHOOD is threatened you are justified in being scared, and when it is threatened for no other reason than to put a few more billions in some hedge fund or Wall Street trading prick's pockets, you are justified in being PISSED.

It is understandable, but why here? It's an obscure specialized message board, and yet the most popular thread is about some politicians. As if policy makers attend and take notes. Same with the market. We cannot give away anything but likes. Likes just do not cut it for me, so I am looking for solutions. Solutions aren't discussed on this forum, which is also understandable.

Why not here?  This is the leading discussion forum for the industry.  Most if not all the agencies monitor it to gauge contributor outlooks, and sometimes respond to contributors concerns.  And if you'd been here a few years back you'd have seen a lot of successful solutions did start right here on MSG. 

Now that the sites have gotten so big they don't care what contributors think, the solutions are fewer and not very effective.  But complaining,  stopping uploading, and/or quitting sites is more likely to lead to solutions than posting "please may I have another" every time we get kicked.  You happy campers who are content to eat as much merde as the agencies dish out are the reason they get away with treating contributors so badly.

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« Reply #95 on: February 23, 2017, 09:31 »
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Eventually I expect that will happen.  But as I said earlier in the thread, in spite of all the income loss, I managed to build a large, high quality enough portfolio to keep bringing in some royalties for another few years.  At least as much as I would make in a real world job, with my skill set. 

So no, I'm not going to drag my 50+ year old, sciatica plagued body out to learn a new trade that won't pay what I'm making now.  I'm gonna wring every drop of passive income I can out of micro, and I'm gonna be mad every time some greedy agency takes another chunk of my retirement income away to line their pockets.

If you can't understand the logic in that, you are free to disagree, but you're not gonna shut me up.  I have as much right to complain about unfair practices as anyone else.  And in case you didn't notice,  the people who are upset about falling incomes seem to outnumber the blissful ones by a pretty high margin.  It did NOT used to be that way. When there was nothing to complain about,  nobody had to run around telling people to stop complaining.

PS.  My sanity is in good shape.  Insanity would be to see your livlihood going down the toilet and NOT   have a problem with that!

Obviously, this is partially directed at me. If you look at my points, and read it in context, you'll see that I didn't ask you learn a new trade. I was suggesting learning other ways to generate passive income. If you think veterans have it hard, the newbies have it even harder. They have compete against 100 million images, whereas the veterans have many images that are well-established in the search results. You can call me inexperienced all you like, but I didn't break into SS's top tier and FT's weekly top 100 in less than 2 years if I didn't know what I was doing. I had to learn things faster than the veterans and I had to work harder.

You already know how to generate passive income with Microstock, so that experience can translate to a number of other fields that can serve as complimentary income. That's all I suggest. You don't need years, just months. I learned to make apps in 2 months with no programming experience. I went into microstock with no experience other than as a buyer of stock images. I know some people here are younger, and while you have some valid excuses, some don't. They waste plenty of time talking about Trump when they could put that time to better use.

I'm no spring chicken myself. In Silicon Valley, I'm considered over the hill, and yet I force myself to learn new things constantly otherwise I'll get left behind. My optimistic attitude isn't some delusion, it's a necessity. Believe me when I tell you this, microstockers have it much easier than app developers. They spend 2 months on something only to give it away for FREE to serve ads, and many people don't download random free apps anymore. Other than Getty, whom I've always said was predatory company, the other agencies treat people relatively fairly. Maybe things aren't what they were 10 years ago, but nothing ever is. The market is saturated and there are over 150,000 contributors. That's the world we live in.

In a way he is right. Time will come when one has to move on.  Impossible to expand in micro since its just too much of everything contributors and pictures. Living is getting more expensive by the day with sales not increasing. The business seems to have stagnated somehow.

niktol

« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2017, 18:44 »
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You happy campers who are content to eat as much merde as the agencies dish out are the reason they get away with treating contributors so badly.

I thought the agencies were the reason your livelihood is threatened. Now it's me?  :) That's kinda sad. You should pay more attention to your neighbor's cat, it might be plotting something.  8)

« Reply #97 on: March 05, 2017, 20:44 »
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I HATE THIS THREAD!!

« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2017, 12:29 »
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Not to mention but who is Yuri? I am not a stock photographer so just curious who is he?  :o

« Reply #99 on: April 14, 2017, 12:51 »
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Yuri Arcurs is the self proclaimed King of microstock and has one of the largest stock factories in the industry.

Google him, youll find him.


 

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