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« Reply #1175 on: January 11, 2017, 12:11 »
+1

The xenophobic blaming of recent immigrants in a country which was built by immigrants, and has prospered as a result, is a misdirection.   So is the use of supposed support of our military and law enforcement officers to distract us.  Its propaganda 101.  Trump and the rest of the alligators he is gleefully populating his new swamp with are using the tried and true device of divide and conquer to pull the wool over half of America's eyes as they plot to steal whats left of our social safety net (social security,  medicare, medicaid, pensions, etc.).  They will call it "privatization", but it really just means taking away the government isured guarantees and putting all that money many of us have been paying for decades, and giving it to bankers to gamble in the stock marketl. For a nice fee of course.  Trump and his pals will get even richer and hard working people like you and I will retire to a life of eating cat food.

Half of us see this so clearly, it is baffling that the rest just won't or can't.   The worst part is we will all suffer from the bad choices and misinformation of the rest.
Another +100
+100

And yes, I'm a fellow American too.


« Reply #1176 on: January 11, 2017, 12:17 »
+3
So, I believe the treason, but this p*ssergate story is a bit much.   I can't help wondering how Kellyanne will spin it, though.  It's hard to follow "don't believe what he says" when you are a PEOTUS spokes person.   Going to be an interesting 9 days coming up!

« Reply #1177 on: January 11, 2017, 12:38 »
+2
'No you don't get a question, you are fake news."  Trump to CNN "reporter"  ;D ;D ;D

Shelma1

« Reply #1178 on: January 11, 2017, 12:43 »
+7
@Jill
I'm Scottish so know all about Trump's bullying:
I've mentioned the film You've Been Trumped earlier in this thread, but for anyone who seems to think Trump will save America, it should be compulsory watching - it shows how he just rode slipshod over people's lives and choices, and crushed environmental protection to get his own way. Clearly shows him to be a really nasty bit of stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_hisXNDZkY
However, it's an hour and 40 minutes, so here's the trailler as a starter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjAIKgOOc8A
"In this David and Goliath tale for the 21st Century, a group of proud Scottish homeowners take on Donald Trump, as the tycoon prepares to destroy one of Britain's last stretches of coastal wilderness by building a luxury golf resort. As the locals make their last stand in the face of security harassment, legal threats and the cutting off of water and electricity supplies, director Anthony Baxter is thrown in jail as he seeks out the truth."
(There's also a second documentary, "You've been Trumped too", which I haven't yet seen.)


It's a sad and infuriating film, and he did the same thing in Atlantic City...forcing people out of their lifelong homes to develop casinos with other people's money, and making fun of the poeple he steamrolled along the way. I'm sure he's done the same thing all over the world. He really is a despicable excuse for a human being.

FlowerPower

« Reply #1179 on: January 11, 2017, 12:50 »
+1
Jill, as a fellow American whose most recent immigrant ancestors were my great grandparents, thus making me a 4th generation American and more through other ancestral lines, I can agree with some of the problems you identify.   As I said in another post, I was raised to "buy American" and have watched in distress as that has been harder and harder to do.  I can agree that exportation of our manufacturing jobs has been disastrous for the country.

What I can't agree with is the reasons you give.  It is not immigrants, often the poorest and least powerful of us all who are to blame.  It is the rampant, unfettered capitalist greed which puts profits above country,  employees, consumers, and the health of our economy and people which is to blame.  Donald Trump is a big part of that mindset of greed over all else.  You say he has nothing to gain??!!  How about lining his own already overflowing pockets?!  He and his Republican minions plan to remove any remaining regulations designed to prevent them from raiding what's left of the average working persons income.

The xenophobic blaming of recent immigrants in a country which was built by immigrants, and has prospered as a result, is a misdirection.   So is the use of supposed support of our military and law enforcement officers to distract us.  Its propaganda 101.  Trump and the rest of the alligators he is gleefully populating his new swamp with are using the tried and true device of divide and conquer to pull the wool over half of America's eyes as they plot to steal whats left of our social safety net (social security,  medicare, medicaid, pensions, etc.).  They will call it "privatization", but it really just means taking away the government isured guarantees and putting all that money many of us have been paying for decades, and giving it to bankers to gamble in the stock marketl. For a nice fee of course.  Trump and his pals will get even richer and hard working people like you and I will retire to a life of eating cat food.

Half of us see this so clearly, it is baffling that the rest just won't or can't.   The worst part is we will all suffer from the bad choices and misinformation of the rest.

Good diversion, but it's not immigrants I'm only second generation. It's illegal immigrants. It's our system that gives people who never paid a cent in taxes, free health care and drains the working people in our country, legally. Legal immigration means, knowing who's getting dumped here by other countries for being undesirable, criminal or antisocial. Just like when our relatives came, there are standards, quotas and limits. Not whoever sneaks across the border!

Raiding income would be the unions which drove business out of the country. Trade agreements that made it better to sell cheap imports from impoverished counties that pay workers 8 cents a week. Taxes and regulations that make a business want to leave the country for production. And all of that came from the left wing taxes and the peoples socialist states of America.

Half of us saw this clearly and see that politicans on the take and liberal leftys have had thier chance to bring the country back in line. They failed. Now we'll try running the US like a business, not a playground for the rich liberal politicains, not a bottmless pit of taxation, or the beautiful people in Hollywood telling us what to think. They are actors for God's sake and people think that actors and musicians are somehow better at politics, because they are famous, popular and attractive?

This is more about ending a downward spiral and change. Make America great again isn't just a slogan, it's what we need to do.

Doesn't matter what Trump does, people like you will protest and hate it. You already have and he's not in office yet, hasn't done anything officially as POTUS. At least give the man a chance?

« Reply #1180 on: January 11, 2017, 12:56 »
+8
'No you don't get a question, you are fake news."  Trump to CNN "reporter"  ;D ;D ;D

And: As far as Buzzfeed, which is a failing pile of garbage writing it, I think theyre going to suffer the consequences, and they already are.

Pretty much what you might have expected to hear in Germany or the USSR in the 1930s, trying to shut out critical voices and threatening those who don't bow to the leader's agenda. Enjoy your next four years, America.

« Reply #1181 on: January 11, 2017, 13:13 »
+9
Tom Clancy couldn't have written a better prologue to a spy novel than what is happening right now. Russia has placed a de facto mole in the White House and much of the US is cheering the event. As they say, truth is stranger than fiction. Putin has bamboozled the US plain and simple. Dare I say you have be conned into four years of Russian roulette.

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« Reply #1182 on: January 11, 2017, 13:21 »
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They are actors for God's sake and people think that actors and musicians are somehow better at politics, because they are famous, popular and attractive?

Would I be right in assuming that you think around 50% of politicians are even worse than the actors... and the other 50% of politicians are absolutely wonderful? And what if an actor piped up that the US should get rid of immigrants, stick it to China, build a wall etc... I'm assuming you'd still say that "they're an actor or God's sake!" and not listen to what they have to say?!

Or is it just that you disagree with what most of the actors are saying, so that automatically makes them wrong and unqualified to make opinions?

Were you a fan of Charlton Heston by any chance? Maybe Clint Eastwood?

« Reply #1183 on: January 11, 2017, 13:54 »
+1
As I said in another post, I was raised to "buy American" and have watched in distress as that has been harder and harder to do. I can agree that exportation of our manufacturing jobs has been disastrous for the country....

With all due respect, I disagree!

Buying American is fine, no problem with that! But it must be a personal choice. If YOU want to pay more to encourage "American" products, YOU are free to do it, anyway. No need for additional rules and regulations to enforce that!

Nobody should take the freedom to buy cheaper, "non-American" products away from poor people, who cannot afford the luxury to make that choice. That would be sheer hypocrisy: claiming to help the poor, but asking them to dig deeper in their empty pockets!

Killing the competition through trade wars aiming to limit consumers' choice only to "american products" will be THE disastrous economic policy.

Competition (including foreign) makes American businesses more competitive, it drives prices down and quality up. It is very good for consumers, it stimulates innovation and progress, it stimulates the economy and, ultimately, is the engine towards prosperity.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I said everyone should HAVE to buy American.  I said I, me, personally, and my family made that choice, and that over time it has become more difficult to do because hardly anything is made here anymore.  I am not against all trade deals.  Just inequitable ones.  I understand the anxiety felt by people who lost their living to bad trade deals and why Trumps (mostly lies) to keep jobs in the US would appeal to them. 

 Buy from wherever you want, but don't put words in my mouth.

As a side note, I have yet to see the price of anything go DOWN when factories move offshore.  The companies charge us the same or more and pocket the extra savings.
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« Reply #1184 on: January 11, 2017, 14:00 »
+3
Tom Clancy couldn't have written a better prologue to a spy novel than what is happening right now. Russia has placed a de facto mole in the White House and much of the US is cheering the event. As they say, truth is stranger than fiction. Putin has bamboozled the US plain and simple. Dare I say you have be conned into four years of Russian roulette.

It's already been written.  It's called The Manchurian Candidate.  And fewer than half of Americans are cheering the event.  The rest of us are going through the stages of grief.

« Reply #1185 on: January 11, 2017, 14:03 »
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They are actors for God's sake and people think that actors and musicians are somehow better at politics, because they are famous, popular and attractive?

Were you a fan of Charlton Heston by any chance? Maybe Clint Eastwood?

Or perhaps Ronald Reagan? 

Shelma1

« Reply #1186 on: January 11, 2017, 14:10 »
+7
Good diversion, but it's not immigrants I'm only second generation. It's illegal immigrants. It's our system that gives people who never paid a cent in taxes, free health care and drains the working people in our country, legally. Legal immigration means, knowing who's getting dumped here by other countries for being undesirable, criminal or antisocial. Just like when our relatives came, there are standards, quotas and limits. Not whoever sneaks across the border!

It's funny, because one of my longtime friends was an illegal immigrant until Reagan gave illegal immigrants amnesty. (Obama has deported more people than any president in history. "Republican candidates readily laid on the praise for former U.S. president Ronald Reagan at the second GOP debate Wednesday from the floor of a library devoted to the beloved, late president. ... In 1986, Reagan passed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which gave amnesty to 2.7 million undocumented immigrants.")

Now my friend has somehow transmogrified into a racist, Republican immigrant hater. He rails about illegal immigrants constantly. When I remind him that he was illegal for many years, he says it's OK because he learned to speak English. But his mother knows very little English, so, huh? I'll never understand Republicans. They make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I mean, they absolutely HATE the president who deported more people than anyone else and LOVE the president who gave amnesty to millions of illegals, while simultaneously blaming all their woes on illegals.

I wish someone could explain it to me, but of course I know there's no explanation.

« Reply #1187 on: January 11, 2017, 14:11 »
+1
Donald Trump Won 2,600 Counties Compared To Clintons 500, Winning 83% Of The Geographic National mandate

The DNC is upset that Wikileaks unethically influenced the election by releasing emails proving the DNC unethically influenced the election.



What a twisted world we live in.

Shelma1

« Reply #1188 on: January 11, 2017, 14:16 »
+5
I'm sure someone will chime in with the snopes link about how this fake county statistic thing is a blatant lie, but I can't be bothered doing the work for a creature who time and again posts falsehoods and ignores facts.

« Reply #1189 on: January 11, 2017, 14:19 »
+2
Good diversion, but it's not immigrants I'm only second generation. It's illegal immigrants. It's our system that gives people who never paid a cent in taxes, free health care and drains the working people in our country, legally. Legal immigration means, knowing who's getting dumped here by other countries for being undesirable, criminal or antisocial. Just like when our relatives came, there are standards, quotas and limits. Not whoever sneaks across the border!

It's funny, because one of my longtime friends was an illegal immigrant until Reagan gave illegal immigrants amnesty. (Obama has deported more people than any president in history. "Republican candidates readily laid on the praise for former U.S. president Ronald Reagan at the second GOP debate Wednesday from the floor of a library devoted to the beloved, late president. ... In 1986, Reagan passed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which gave amnesty to 2.7 million undocumented immigrants.")

Now my friend has somehow transmogrified into a racist, Republican immigrant hater. He rails about illegal immigrants constantly. When I remind him that he was illegal for many years, he says it's OK because he learned to speak English. But his mother knows very little English, so, huh? I'll never understand Republicans. They make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I mean, they absolutely HATE the president who deported more people than anyone else and LOVE the president who gave amnesty to millions of illegals, while simultaneously blaming all their woes on illegals.

I wish someone could explain it to me, but of course I know there's no explanation.

OMFG.  I thought my lesbian, abortion having, union member, public school teacher friend was the most hypocritical Trump voter, but your guy gets the prize. 

ShadySue

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« Reply #1190 on: January 11, 2017, 14:33 »
+2
I'm sure someone will chime in with the snopes link about how this fake county statistic thing is a blatant lie, but I can't be bothered doing the work for a creature who time and again posts falsehoods and ignores facts.

This is 'a' Snopes link, but the figures it refutes are different to those quoted by jjneff.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57

Shelma1

« Reply #1191 on: January 11, 2017, 14:41 »
+3
Yeah, I guess they made up new statistics after Snopes wrote the article. And what the heck is the geographic national mandate? That's totally made up, as far as I can tell.

The fact is that HRC won 3 million more votes, but Republicans can't accept it, so they keep trying to slice and dice in different ways or make up new terms or exclude certain states or claim 3 million votes were illegal (funny how that matches up perfectly) to try to reassure themselves that he really won. 52% of Republicans think Tweetledumb won the popular vote, for goodness' sake. These people are idjits.
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« Reply #1192 on: January 11, 2017, 14:47 »
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These people are idjits.

That's not fair. To idjits.

« Reply #1193 on: January 11, 2017, 14:53 »
+1
These people are idjits.

That's not fair. To idjits.

But, like it or not, he won according to the agreed rules at the time and you can't rewrite the rules to cancel an established result.

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« Reply #1194 on: January 11, 2017, 14:56 »
+3
These people are idjits.

That's not fair. To idjits.

But, like it or not, he won according to the agreed rules at the time and you can't rewrite the rules to cancel an established result.

That doesn't make him any nicer of a person.

ShadySue

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« Reply #1195 on: January 11, 2017, 15:01 »
+7
These people are idjits.

That's not fair. To idjits.

But, like it or not, he won according to the agreed rules at the time and you can't rewrite the rules to cancel an established result.

That's not the point.
If anyone thinks Trump won the popular vote, they're wrong, like Trump was when he said, in effect, that Hillary 'lost big', which isn't even grammatical, far less mathematically accurate.

America is following the classiest First Family at least in my lifetime with ... someone who can't speak grammatically or count.

To ask a couple of serious questions, as I don't know the ins and outs of the US system:
1. Why they can't just instigate an equivalent of the Boundaries Commission?

2. Are there checks and balances to keep the President in order, like civil servants? Though I'm not sure whether even Sir Humphrey would be able to tape up Trump's mouth permanently or keep his fingers off phones and keyboards for the duration.

« Reply #1196 on: January 11, 2017, 15:23 »
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Didn't the Snopes CEO get arrested for fraud or something like that??   :o

« Reply #1197 on: January 11, 2017, 15:28 »
0
@Jill
I'm Scottish so know all about Trump's bullying:
I've mentioned the film You've Been Trumped earlier in this thread, but for anyone who seems to think Trump will save America, it should be compulsory watching - it shows how he just rode slipshod over people's lives and choices, and crushed environmental protection to get his own way. Clearly shows him to be a really nasty bit of stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_hisXNDZkY
However, it's an hour and 40 minutes, so here's the trailler as a starter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjAIKgOOc8A
"In this David and Goliath tale for the 21st Century, a group of proud Scottish homeowners take on Donald Trump, as the tycoon prepares to destroy one of Britain's last stretches of coastal wilderness by building a luxury golf resort. As the locals make their last stand in the face of security harassment, legal threats and the cutting off of water and electricity supplies, director Anthony Baxter is thrown in jail as he seeks out the truth."
(There's also a second documentary, "You've been Trumped too", which I haven't yet seen.)


It's a sad and infuriating film, and he did the same thing in Atlantic City...forcing people out of their lifelong homes to develop casinos with other people's money, and making fun of the poeple he steamrolled along the way. I'm sure he's done the same thing all over the world. He really is a despicable excuse for a human being.

We have an em dom scandal here in Iowa.  Gov Terry Branstad, the soon to be Chinese ambassador, installed three people on the Iowa Utilities Board just prior to the vote to allow ETP the power of eminent domain to seize Iowa farmland for the DAPL pipeline.  I think its still being litigated by at least one family.  In other cases, farmers sold under pressure (I am sure some sold willingly also) to find that ETP is not honoring the ag mitigation provisions of its contracts.  Whose in charge of verifying compliance?  I think it's the county board, but I know that ETP approves the inspectors and also reimburses their salaries to the people that hire them. 

And, for those who may not know, Trump at one time held a small ownership share in ETP.  His ownership share in SUNOCO was much more significant.

« Reply #1198 on: January 11, 2017, 15:29 »
+4
These people are idjits.

That's not fair. To idjits.

But, like it or not, he won according to the agreed rules at the time and you can't rewrite the rules to cancel an established result.

That's not the point.
If anyone thinks Trump won the popular vote, they're wrong, like Trump was when he said, in effect, that Hillary 'lost big', which isn't even grammatical, far less mathematically accurate.

America is following the classiest First Family at least in my lifetime with ... someone who can't speak grammatically or count.

To ask a couple of serious questions, as I don't know the ins and outs of the US system:
1. Why they can't just instigate an equivalent of the Boundaries Commission?

2. Are there checks and balances to keep the President in order, like civil servants? Though I'm not sure whether even Sir Humphrey would be able to tape up Trump's mouth permanently or keep his fingers off phones and keyboards for the duration.

I am not sure what the Boundaries Commission is.

We have checks and balances.  The GOP is in the process of demolishing them this week.

ShadySue

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« Reply #1199 on: January 11, 2017, 15:36 »
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To ask a couple of serious questions, as I don't know the ins and outs of the US system:
1. Why they can't just instigate an equivalent of the Boundaries Commission?

2. Are there checks and balances to keep the President in order, like civil servants? Though I'm not sure whether even Sir Humphrey would be able to tape up Trump's mouth permanently or keep his fingers off phones and keyboards for the duration.

I am not sure what the Boundaries Commission is.
In the UK, (and I believe also in the Republic of Ireland) it's a set of committees who look at changing populations and redraw constituency boundaries to make the number of voters in each constituency much more similar than they would be if they were kept the same for all time, not allowing for natural movement of people into and out of areas, thus avoiding rotten borough scenarios, where there were only a few voters who could then be manipulated into who was elected to represent them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten_and_pocket_boroughs

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We have checks and balances.  The GOP is in the process of demolishing them this week.
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