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« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2018, 15:47 »
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It's not just what's in Putin's pocket which is of interest:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44906898
"Trump 'secretly recorded discussing payment to Playboy model'"

I think I should buy the film rights to make the Trump biopic.
I think the KGB have plenty of material for that already ;-)

It's FSB today, but most likely not very different.


« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2018, 21:48 »
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According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you cant walk.

This is not true.  There is a small but significant chance of very serious side effects - e.g., neuropathy of various kinds and liver damage - but the incidence is very low and those mainly appear in people who are not like Trump (female, small body size, drinking too much).  Statins actually may protect against Alzheimer's, although the data are not clear on that.  Trump's problems are very unlikely to be due to taking statins - to me it looks much more like the early symptoms of dementia.  Here is a list of early symptoms (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs) - Trump exhibits all of them at various times, most people his age show none of them.  Trump's father had Alzheimer's and his poor diet and lack of exercise increases his risk.  Reagan clearly had symptoms of Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term and possibly earlier, Trump is showing the same already.
I don't think that's true either.  My stepfather didn't have many problems until he started taking statins.  They were really bad for him.  He went from playing golf regularly, to struggling to walk short distances.  The doctor insisted it wasn't statins doing it but in the end, he stopped taking them and was much better after about a month.  He never did go back to golf and his mind went a few years later but that might be coincidence.  I've heard that lots of men have had similar problems with statins.  A change of diet is much better for you than experimenting with a drug that can do harm.

My mother also had a terrible time on statins. Terrible headaches and feeling "cloudy headed" all the time, bone and joint pain, really unbearable.

Sgoodwin4813 acknowledges the chance of awful side effects, some even similar to alzheimer's. We were talking specifically about actual Alzheimer's though.

Thank you for pointing out that I mentioned the side effects.  Statins are great for lowering cholesterol, however they do have a small but real risk of very serious problems.  There also seems to be an unknown genetic component - most people can take statins without problems, but others have bad reactions, presumably due to their different genetic backgrounds.  Anyone taking statins should be aware of the potential side effects, get checked every few months and stop taking them if they have problems.

I have taken statins for more than 15 years, so far with no problems.  I did not take them for more than two years after they were first prescribed due to fears about potential side effects, and only started after I read enough scientific studies to convince myself that the potential for side effects was an acceptable risk.  My father also took them for many years without problems, so I figured my risk for negative genetic interactions was probably low.  They quickly lowered my cholesterol level (which was not too high but enough to get a doctor's attention) into the range doctors like to see, which I was not able to do with diet and exercise alone.  Have they improved my quality of life and increased my lifespan relative to what they would be without statins?  I have no idea, and there is no way to know for certain.  I get my liver enzymes checked every six months and get nervous every time I have muscle pain, but so far no problems, and any pains have resolved themselves in time, just like they did before I started taking the statins.

When I mentioned to a colleague that I was taking statins, he was jealous and said he wished he could take them for the cognitive benefits.  That was the first I had heard about that, but when I looked into it there have been some studies showing improvements in memory and such, presumably due to better blood flow to the brain allowing plaques to be removed more efficiently.  I'll take it if that's true, but I don't think anyone recommends taking statins for the potential cognitive improvements.  The problem is that it is impossible to make firm conclusions from a small number of experiences, and difficult to obtain the large amounts of money needed for proper clinical trials.  If anyone is really interested in statins the Mayo Clinic, e.g., here (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/statins/art-20045772), is a good place for look for a sober, objective assessment from a site that is not trying to sell you anything.

« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2018, 22:59 »
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The Mayo Clinic is the least objective place to go. They are in deep with big pHARMa, just like the Cleveland Clinic and WebMD.  ;)  I am not going to argue with all you experts here on this forum. I dont care if you agree with me or not. I just want to implore everyone to please do a lot of your own research before you take a statin, or any other drug, for that matter. Drs. get kickbacks for prescribing drugs, so they dont really want you to get better. Polypharmacy...and a statin is a gateway drug....take it, and your dr. will have to prescribe 2 or more drugs to treat the adverse effects you get. Next thing you know, you have a baggie full of meds to take.  Dont take my word for it. There are plenty of testimonials out there from good people whose lives are now ruined because of statins. Theres a reason your body makes cholesterol. It needs it. Look at a facebook group called neurotoxicity and see all the damaged people, from statins and all kinds of other drugs that are being prescribed and handed out like candy. Too many sad stories.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2018, 23:12 by cathyslife »

« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2018, 06:45 »
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Cathyslife, why don't you take your conspiracy theory nonsense elsewhere and leave the discussion to the adults?  Believing "testimonials" from uneducated idiots, publicity hounds and hucksters on internet chat rooms will lead you down the wrong path every time.  If you don't believe the Mayo Clinic then you probably don't believe in vaccines either.  Sorry to be so blunt, but I get really annoyed by people parroting pseudoscientific nonsense based on superficial internet "research".  Try to chill out, have a glass of wine and relax and maybe you will enjoy life more.  You seem to be full of anger - that is much worse for you than taking statins.

Back to the OP: Yes, it is becoming more and more obvious that Trump is completely in Putin's pocket.  Whether this is part of some brilliant long-term plan or merely a pathetic attempt to save his own skin we don't yet know for certain but I strongly suspect the latter.  What we do know for certain is that Trump is one of the biggest liars ever, especially about his sexual infidelities.  Why he is allowed to continue when others are being fired or resigning their positions for even a hint of sexual impropriety is truly disgusting.

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« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2018, 06:59 »
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Cathyslife, why don't you take your conspiracy theory nonsense elsewhere and leave the discussion to the adults?  Believing "testimonials" from uneducated idiots, publicity hounds and hucksters on internet chat rooms will lead you down the wrong path every time.  If you don't believe the Mayo Clinic then you probably don't believe in vaccines either.  Sorry to be so blunt, but I get really annoyed by people parroting pseudoscientific nonsense based on superficial internet "research".  Try to chill out, have a glass of wine and relax and maybe you will enjoy life more.  You seem to be full of anger - that is much worse for you than taking statins.

Back to the OP: Yes, it is becoming more and more obvious that Trump is completely in Putin's pocket.  Whether this is part of some brilliant long-term plan or merely a pathetic attempt to save his own skin we don't yet know for certain but I strongly suspect the latter.  What we do know for certain is that Trump is one of the biggest liars ever, especially about his sexual infidelities.  Why he is allowed to continue when others are being fired or resigning their positions for even a hint of sexual impropriety is truly disgusting.


Such a condescending a-hole you are. Cracks me up, whenever you guys want to think you are going to piss someone off, you go with the you seem to be full of anger, have a glass of wine schtick. Where do you get YOUR research from? Are you also a photographer/scientist? Somebody made fun of me that way, wonder why they arent here saying that about you. LOL you guys are so entertaining! But...I am off to do something constructive today. But thanks for the laughs!


Back to the OP. At least we agree on the fact that Trump is a disgusting liar. #traitor  ;)
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 12:03 by cathyslife »

niktol

« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2018, 07:42 »
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The Russians have been cultivating Trump as an asset for more than 20 years. 

They started just about the time the US intervened with the elections in Russia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention#Russian_election_(U.S.,_1996)

That makes perfect sense. I have here Boris Badenov sitting next to me, he confirms.

« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2018, 11:44 »
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The Russians have been cultivating Trump as an asset for more than 20 years. 

They started just about the time the US intervened with the elections in Russia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention#Russian_election_(U.S.,_1996)

That makes perfect sense. I have here Boris Badenov sitting next to me, he confirms.

This article is far from being accurate.
A whole bunch of obvious examples are omitted.
Russia or the Soviet Union, interfered for half a century in the Eastern European elections, quite often with troops and tanks, imposing puppet communist governments and dictators. They might have taken a short break after '89, only to start again with more sophisticated and subtle weapons, but also with troops and tanks again (Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova)

In fact, such interference is a political reality since the dawn of history. It's not just specific to Russia or USA. One way or another, conquerors have always appointed their preffered puppet rulers in vasal countries.

The problem here is that Trump after having encouraged it, is now denying or even defending the interference, like any of those aforementioned puppet rulers would normally do, in order to justify their right to rule.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 23:39 by Zero Talent »

niktol

« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2018, 11:56 »
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The problem here is that Trump is denying or even defending the interference, like any of those aforementioned puppet rulers would normally do, in order to justify their right to rule.


The problem here is that some people claim some sort of intellectual superiority over other people's unfounded claims when they are doing essentially the same thing.

I don't care about the veracity of the wiki article, yet interference in Russian elections by the US isn't a big secret, and it was even bragged about by the Time magazine, I'm old enough to know
http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html

where were all these principles back then?

Another thing, I don't care what Trump or any other politician is saying, I'm with George Carlin (RIP) on this one.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t

« Reply #84 on: July 21, 2018, 12:00 »
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The problem here is that Trump is denying or even defending the interference, like any of those aforementioned puppet rulers would normally do, in order to justify their right to rule.


The problem here is that some people claim some sort of intellectual superiority over other people's unfounded claims when they are doing essentially the same thing.

I don't care about the veracity of the wiki article, yet interference in Russian elections by the US isn't a big secret, and it was even bragged about by the Time magazine, I'm old enough to know
http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html

where were all these principles back then?

Another thing, I don't care what Trump or any other politician is saying, I'm with George Carlin (RIP) on this one.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t



Im with you and George Carlin on that!

« Reply #85 on: July 21, 2018, 12:04 »
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Cathyslife, why don't you take your conspiracy theory nonsense elsewhere and leave the discussion to the adults?  Believing "testimonials" from uneducated idiots, publicity hounds and hucksters on internet chat rooms will lead you down the wrong path every time.  If you don't believe the Mayo Clinic then you probably don't believe in vaccines either.  Sorry to be so blunt, but I get really annoyed by people parroting pseudoscientific nonsense based on superficial internet "research".  Try to chill out, have a glass of wine and relax and maybe you will enjoy life more.  You seem to be full of anger - that is much worse for you than taking statins.

Back to the OP: Yes, it is becoming more and more obvious that Trump is completely in Putin's pocket.  Whether this is part of some brilliant long-term plan or merely a pathetic attempt to save his own skin we don't yet know for certain but I strongly suspect the latter.  What we do know for certain is that Trump is one of the biggest liars ever, especially about his sexual infidelities.  Why he is allowed to continue when others are being fired or resigning their positions for even a hint of sexual impropriety is truly disgusting.

Actually Cathy is quite correct on the big pharmaceutical companies engaging in "dodgy" practice.

And doctors do get kick backs.  There was a case in Poland (for example) of doctors getting 100  euro payments for prescribing asthma treatments to children whether the kids needed it or not.

We also have the whole opiod crisis in the USA with drugs being pushed by the pharma companies.

And before telling some one to " chill out" perhaps you should do your own research.

As to Statins thats being heavily pushed by pharma companies as the next big sell.

Even in countries like the UK pharma glove puppets were trying to get the health service there to have everyone on Statins over the age of 50 whether they need them or not

"Psychiatric adverse effects, altering mood, personality, and behavior, sometimes arise in patients receiving statins. Statin psychiatric effects can include irritability/aggression, anxiety or depressed mood, violent ideation, sleep problems including nightmares, and possibly suicide attempt and completion."

be careful what the quack tells you to put in yourself :D

Shelma1

« Reply #86 on: July 21, 2018, 15:59 »
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If you're on statins, please do not ingest grapefruit. I'm almost certain the combination was deadly for my father (though I didn't request an autopsy). I've warned several people taking statins about the danger of ingesting grapefruit, and all of them were under the impression that grapefruit reduces the effectiveness, which is not the case. My father loved grapefruit and continued to eat it and drink grapefruit juice. I don't know if his doctor warned him against it. I found half a grapefruit in his fridge after he died.

As far as the other arguments go:

1. Yes, of course, Trump is in Putin's pocket.

2. The USA is being royally screwed by big pharma. And if you think that's a conspiracy theory, wait until I tell you my crazy belief that the food, medical and drug industries are all in bed together, with Americans being encouraged to eat too much meat, too much sugar and too many processed foods, which winds up causing obesity, cancer, heart disease and other serious health problems, and the pharmaceutical companies and the medical industry then treat those diseases with pharmaceuticals rather than being honest about the cr@ppy diet being pushed on us by food manufacturers and our own government (which is really run by lobbyists).

Drug companies not only encourage doctors to prescribe medications with kickbacks, but keep track of the number of prescriptions they write and send very attractive reps over to "encourage" more prescription-writing if they lag behind. I got to see the hideous underbelly when I was writing for one of the biggest pharma brands in the world. Once they have a drug they try to sell it to treat every possible disease they can think of before their patent expires, then it's on to selling the next drug for the same conditions even if it's less effective as long as that's under patent. They test the smallest number of people required by law and only need to show the meds are slightly more effective than a placebo. Once they lose the patent they'll buy up companies selling generics just to shut down the factories iin order to make the generics unavailable on the market so they can sell the new drugs under patent. It's all about the $$$.

All Americans should do themselves a huge favor and read "An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back ." We live in a really sick country. The rest of the world doesn't operate this way.

« Reply #87 on: July 21, 2018, 17:02 »
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Thank you for posting, Sammy and Shelma. Statins and their harm being inflicted on people is a pet project of mine. I have friends and family harmed by statins as well, and I jump at the chance to try and warn others. Yes, big pHARMa, big food, healthcare...all doing a great job of trying to get rid of healthy people and get everyone on as many drugs as possible. And if you think THATS a conspiracy, read about I. G. Farben company and the Rockefellers. And depopulation. Ever wonder why processed and junk food is cheap, but a trip to Whole Foods will cost you almost twice as much as at the regular market? Maybe so the poor and elderly get sick and die? Hmmm, another conspiracy theory, eh?

Shelma, I know grapefruit is bad to take with warfarin, a blood thinner, but I didnt know of the dangers with statins, but I am not surprised. A family member of mine was put on statins, beta blocker, and eliquis after a stroke. She recovered from the stroke after 1 month of rehab. Within 6 months of when she started the meds, tho, she had muscle and nerve damage. After stopping statins, a year later she can barely make 1 trip around the grocery store. Her leg muscles continue to atrophy. She was using 7 lb. weights on her legs while exercising when she left rehab, so it cant be from the stroke. Every cell in the body uses cholesterol. Every week big pHARMa pays a writer to float a story about statins and what a wonder drug they are. I have seen articles where it cures kidney disease, prevents stroke and heart attacks, and other nonsense. It does none of that. I have read the clinical trials and the data are right there. There is a small subset of middle-aged men who already have CVD that may benefit, but after seeing the destruction they cause, I even have doubts about that. In fact, many have heart attacks after starting statins. Cholesterol is used big time by the heart and brain. The strange thing about statins is a person can take them 1 day, and have severe adverse effects immediately, but there are others that take them for 20 years and do ok, but then one day everything starts hurting. They suspect the statins, but their dr. says statins dont do that or you are getting older, you know. The two favorite dismissals people get from their drs. Some people recover from their damage, others do not. My family member got rid of the bad brain fog after about a week after stopping, but the muscle and nerve damage continues. Who knows if it will ever resolve. I have a friend who has lesions in his brain. He has been disabled from that for close to 13 years.

Anyway, thanks for listening to me and acknowledging what I said. I take every opportunity to start a narrative about it, but I know that some dont want to hear, will criticize, scoff, and call names. Thats ok, I know I cant save everyone. Sometimes I get thanked by people who were looking for the info and were grateful to learn, and thats thanks enough. They stop the statin, and start feeling better.

Shelma, interesting how you learned about it. Sorry about your dad. Its especially frustrating when you are almost certain of the cause, but it cant be proved. People who take a statin plus other meds would have a difficult time trying to prove the statin was the culprit, when most of those meds cause the same type of adverse effects.

Sammy, anyone can go on a site called dollars for docs, plug in their drs. name, and see how much $$ they personally took from drug companies. If you want a real eye opener, put in Dr. Steve Nissan, cardiologist, from Cleveland Clinic. The info only goes to 2016. Since 2013, he has taken a cool +- $130,000. And some asinine dr. suggested statins should be put in the water supply.

Oh, and yes, of course, Trumps in Putins pocket. #traitor

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

And for anyone who laughs at me, but would respect what a former NASA
astronaut/dr. says, go to spacedoc.com
For all you experts, he goes into some pretty technical crap.



« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 17:11 by cathyslife »

Shelma1

« Reply #88 on: July 21, 2018, 17:26 »
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One of my friends just started on a biologic for Crohn's. Terrible side effects. I feel for her. The brand I worked on was a biologic...extremely dangerous, black box warning (cigarettes have a black box warning on the side, so you have an idea of how toxic something needs to be to warrant a black box warning). Basically one step away from chemo, IMO.

I suffer from one of the conditions the brand I worked on is targeted towards. Immediately, my coworkers told me I should be on the drug, and immediately I told them no way. As a writer, I had to read the research and had to be knowledgeable about efficacy and side effects, and sorry, a side effect of death was a bit much for me. And as I said earlier, drug manufacturers only have to prove their meds are more effective than a placebo. So if a sugar pill relieves symptoms for 1% of the (miniscule) tested population and the black box meds relieve symptoms for 1.5% but also cause leukemia, incurable systemic infection and death, that's A-OK.

My job was to draw attention to the fact that it relieved symptoms for more people than a placebo and play down the side effects (hey, the advertising and pharma industries had to be forced to list the side effects...they weren't going to do it voluntarily). As the end of the patent drew near, the client got increasingly desperate to find more conditions the drug was slightly effective at treating so they could milk as much profit from it as humanly possible.

A couple of years ago I was in the doctor's office and saw a brochure for a "new" drug to treat my condition. Suspicious after working on a pharma brand, I googled it. Turns out it's thalidomide, renamed. BTW, my completely non-life-threatening condition is not mentioned in this wikipedia article, but thalidomide was being marketed to treat it anyway....with brochures left in the waiting room for unsuspecting patients to read. Disgusting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide


« Reply #89 on: July 21, 2018, 17:58 »
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The problem here is that Trump is denying or even defending the interference, like any of those aforementioned puppet rulers would normally do, in order to justify their right to rule.


The problem here is that some people claim some sort of intellectual superiority over other people's unfounded claims when they are doing essentially the same thing.

I don't care about the veracity of the wiki article, yet interference in Russian elections by the US isn't a big secret, and it was even bragged about by the Time magazine, I'm old enough to know
http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html

where were all these principles back then?

Another thing, I don't care what Trump or any other politician is saying, I'm with George Carlin (RIP) on this one.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t


I'm not claiming any moral superiority. US has interfered with foreign elections as much as Russia.
I already mentioned that such practices are as old as history.
I am not even accusing Russia for doing it. It is in their interest to try to get what's best for them.

This is an internal US problem, where its leader is defending his own selfish interests as well as Russia's, instead of what's best for USA.

« Reply #90 on: July 21, 2018, 18:12 »
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One of my friends just started on a biologic for Crohn's. Terrible side effects. I feel for her. The brand I worked on was a biologic...extremely dangerous, black box warning (cigarettes have a black box warning on the side, so you have an idea of how toxic something needs to be to warrant a black box warning). Basically one step away from chemo, IMO.

I suffer from one of the conditions the brand I worked on is targeted towards. Immediately, my coworkers told me I should be on the drug, and immediately I told them no way. As a writer, I had to read the research and had to be knowledgeable about efficacy and side effects, and sorry, a side effect of death was a bit much for me. And as I said earlier, drug manufacturers only have to prove their meds are more effective than a placebo. So if a sugar pill relieves symptoms for 1% of the (miniscule) tested population and the black box meds relieve symptoms for 1.5% but also cause leukemia, incurable systemic infection and death, that's A-OK.

My job was to draw attention to the fact that it relieved symptoms for more people than a placebo and play down the side effects (hey, the advertising and pharma industries had to be forced to list the side effects...they weren't going to do it voluntarily). As the end of the patent drew near, the client got increasingly desperate to find more conditions the drug was slightly effective at treating so they could milk as much profit from it as humanly possible.

A couple of years ago I was in the doctor's office and saw a brochure for a "new" drug to treat my condition. Suspicious after working on a pharma brand, I googled it. Turns out it's thalidomide, renamed. BTW, my completely non-life-threatening condition is not mentioned in this wikipedia article, but thalidomide was being marketed to treat it anyway....with brochures left in the waiting room for unsuspecting patients to read. Disgusting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

Thalidomide...omg they are trying to resurrect that poison, as if the damage the first time around wasnt bad enough. My eyes have sure been opened since delving into all of this for my family member.

If I remember correctly, in the statin trials, more people died that were taking a statin than those who took a placebo. But you will never find that little tidbit touted anywhere. 

Its sad, but every drug has to be researched thoroughly nowadays before you take it. The human body does a good job of taking care of itself, if you feed and exercise it properly. There are exceptions, as in your case. But for a good portion of the population, cholesterol, diabetes, and bp meds are not needed...in a lot of cases, diet can correct those things. But people are lazy...they want to eat and drink what they want, when they want. Taking a pill is so much easier. The drug and healthcare industry is banking on it!
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 18:23 by cathyslife »

« Reply #91 on: July 21, 2018, 18:16 »
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I'm not claiming any moral superiority. US has interfered with foreign elections as much as Russia.
I already mentioned that such practices are as old as history.
I am not even accusing Russia for doing it. It is in their interest to try to get what's best for them.

This is an internal US problem, where its leader is defending his own selfish interests as well as Russia's, instead of what's best for USA.


Exactly. Treason cannot stand. He needs to go.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 18:24 by cathyslife »

« Reply #92 on: July 21, 2018, 18:39 »
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I'm not claiming any moral superiority. US has interfered with foreign elections as much as Russia.
I already mentioned that such practices are as old as history.
I am not even accusing Russia for doing it. It is in their interest to try to get what's best for them.

This is an internal US problem, where its leader is defending his own selfish interests as well as Russia's, instead of what's best for USA.


Exactly. Treason cannot stand. He needs to go.

I forgot to say that I am not even accusing Niktol for defending Russia.  ;)

Anyway, this week's issue of The Economist has a funny summary. See attached.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 18:57 by Zero Talent »

Shelma1

« Reply #93 on: July 21, 2018, 19:39 »
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One of my friends just started on a biologic for Crohn's. Terrible side effects. I feel for her. The brand I worked on was a biologic...extremely dangerous, black box warning (cigarettes have a black box warning on the side, so you have an idea of how toxic something needs to be to warrant a black box warning). Basically one step away from chemo, IMO.

I suffer from one of the conditions the brand I worked on is targeted towards. Immediately, my coworkers told me I should be on the drug, and immediately I told them no way. As a writer, I had to read the research and had to be knowledgeable about efficacy and side effects, and sorry, a side effect of death was a bit much for me. And as I said earlier, drug manufacturers only have to prove their meds are more effective than a placebo. So if a sugar pill relieves symptoms for 1% of the (miniscule) tested population and the black box meds relieve symptoms for 1.5% but also cause leukemia, incurable systemic infection and death, that's A-OK.

My job was to draw attention to the fact that it relieved symptoms for more people than a placebo and play down the side effects (hey, the advertising and pharma industries had to be forced to list the side effects...they weren't going to do it voluntarily). As the end of the patent drew near, the client got increasingly desperate to find more conditions the drug was slightly effective at treating so they could milk as much profit from it as humanly possible.

A couple of years ago I was in the doctor's office and saw a brochure for a "new" drug to treat my condition. Suspicious after working on a pharma brand, I googled it. Turns out it's thalidomide, renamed. BTW, my completely non-life-threatening condition is not mentioned in this wikipedia article, but thalidomide was being marketed to treat it anyway....with brochures left in the waiting room for unsuspecting patients to read. Disgusting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

Thalidomide...omg they are trying to resurrect that poison, as if the damage the first time around wasnt bad enough. My eyes have sure been opened since delving into all of this for my family member.

If I remember correctly, in the statin trials, more people died that were taking a statin than those who took a placebo. But you will never find that little tidbit touted anywhere. 

Its sad, but every drug has to be researched thoroughly nowadays before you take it. The human body does a good job of taking care of itself, if you feed and exercise it properly. There are exceptions, as in your case. But for a good portion of the population, cholesterol, diabetes, and bp meds are not needed...in a lot of cases, diet can correct those things. But people are lazy...they want to eat and drink what they want, when they want. Taking a pill is so much easier. The drug and healthcare industry is banking on it!

Yep. My condition is in about 90% remission from diet and a little sun exposure. I'm not saying that will work for everyone, but I'm very leery of a lot of drugs that offer only slight relief from an ailment while exposing you to possibly fatal side effects. In my dad's case I really wish he'd lost weight and changed his diet. He would have been healthier overall and his cholesterol probably would have been controllable without statins. A lot of things that "run in the family," like heart disease, high cholesterol and diabetes, are actually a result of a family's similar diet rather than heredity. But Americans have been sold on taking a pill for pretty much everything, so...

namussi

« Reply #94 on: July 22, 2018, 04:32 »
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2. The USA is being royally screwed by big pharma. And if you think that's a conspiracy theory, wait until I tell you my crazy belief that the food, medical and drug industries are all in bed together, with Americans being encouraged to eat too much meat, too much sugar and too many processed foods, which winds up causing obesity, cancer, heart disease and other serious health problems, and the pharmaceutical companies and the medical industry then treat those diseases with pharmaceuticals rather than being honest about the cr@ppy diet being pushed on us by food manufacturers and our own government (which is really run by lobbyists).

Drug companies not only encourage doctors to prescribe medications with kickbacks, but keep track of the number of prescriptions they write and send very attractive reps over to "encourage" more prescription-writing if they lag behind. I got to see the hideous underbelly when I was writing for one of the biggest pharma brands in the world. Once they have a drug they try to sell it to treat every possible disease they can think of before their patent expires, then it's on to selling the next drug for the same conditions even if it's less effective as long as that's under patent. They test the smallest number of people required by law and only need to show the meds are slightly more effective than a placebo. Once they lose the patent they'll buy up companies selling generics just to shut down the factories iin order to make the generics unavailable on the market so they can sell the new drugs under patent. It's all about the $$$.

All Americans should do themselves a huge favor and read "An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back ." We live in a really sick country. The rest of the world doesn't operate this way.

This explains a lot: for example, why you believe in earnings caps.

Shelma1

« Reply #95 on: July 22, 2018, 06:42 »
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2. The USA is being royally screwed by big pharma. And if you think that's a conspiracy theory, wait until I tell you my crazy belief that the food, medical and drug industries are all in bed together, with Americans being encouraged to eat too much meat, too much sugar and too many processed foods, which winds up causing obesity, cancer, heart disease and other serious health problems, and the pharmaceutical companies and the medical industry then treat those diseases with pharmaceuticals rather than being honest about the cr@ppy diet being pushed on us by food manufacturers and our own government (which is really run by lobbyists).

Drug companies not only encourage doctors to prescribe medications with kickbacks, but keep track of the number of prescriptions they write and send very attractive reps over to "encourage" more prescription-writing if they lag behind. I got to see the hideous underbelly when I was writing for one of the biggest pharma brands in the world. Once they have a drug they try to sell it to treat every possible disease they can think of before their patent expires, then it's on to selling the next drug for the same conditions even if it's less effective as long as that's under patent. They test the smallest number of people required by law and only need to show the meds are slightly more effective than a placebo. Once they lose the patent they'll buy up companies selling generics just to shut down the factories iin order to make the generics unavailable on the market so they can sell the new drugs under patent. It's all about the $$$.

All Americans should do themselves a huge favor and read "An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back ." We live in a really sick country. The rest of the world doesn't operate this way.

This explains a lot: for example, why you believe in earnings caps.

Work for the pharmaceutical industry for a few years and get back to me. Anonymous troll.

« Reply #96 on: July 22, 2018, 07:11 »
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I'm not claiming any moral superiority. US has interfered with foreign elections as much as Russia.
I already mentioned that such practices are as old as history.
I am not even accusing Russia for doing it. It is in their interest to try to get what's best for them.

This is an internal US problem, where its leader is defending his own selfish interests as well as Russia's, instead of what's best for USA.


Exactly. Treason cannot stand. He needs to go.

I forgot to say that I am not even accusing Niktol for defending Russia.  ;)

Anyway, this week's issue of The Economist has a funny summary. See attached.
100% agree. The US can arguably be blamed for fundamentally restructuring Russian society into the oligarchy it is today and all that means for the average Russian man or woman on the street (see 1996 election). I understand a degree of schadenfreude from Russians, or even disbelief at the outrage expressed by some Americans that someone could dare to meddle.

All interesting as context but irrelevant to Americans who want to defend their democracy. It wasn't right when the US did it and it isn't right now.

niktol

« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2018, 07:55 »
+1

All interesting as context but irrelevant to Americans who want to defend their democracy. It wasn't right when the US did it and it isn't right now.

My point is that I only see the overwhelming outrage "when it's done to us". I do not see any particular outrage when it's done to someone else. Heck, Iraq looks like it's been an exciting foreign adventure from here. Anyone indicted? I don't think so. Which is pretty tribal. And the combination of tribal attitudes and a nuclear arsenal does not leave much hope for the future.

Zero Talent, I did not mean you when I spoke about intellectual superiority. Read the heated argument before that. I spoke about consistency in claims. If it is alright to draw conclusions from internet research for one person, it is also alright for another. Or else focus on scholarly research and accept nothing less.

I do not "defend Russia" by the way, it was the Russians who mucked up their society and noone else. There was no military invasion. They did blame the foreign powers for it, conspiracy, treason and all that nonsense. That narrative works pretty well now too.  Recognize anyone else doing it?
« Last Edit: July 22, 2018, 09:15 by niktol »

« Reply #98 on: July 22, 2018, 09:42 »
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All interesting as context but irrelevant to Americans who want to defend their democracy. It wasn't right when the US did it and it isn't right now.

My point is that I only see the overwhelming outrage "when it's done to us".

Again, the outrage we see in this case is not necessarily because it "was done to us", but because what "was done to us" is exactly what Trump publicly asked for. Trump called for a foreign "invasion" to help him seize power.

This thread is not about outrage agaist Russia's actions (Russia did what Russia does, no surprise here), but outrage against Trump, who embraced and defended a foreign "invader".
« Last Edit: July 22, 2018, 09:45 by Zero Talent »

niktol

« Reply #99 on: July 22, 2018, 09:55 »
+1

Again, the outrage we see in this case is not necessarily because it "was done to us", but because what "was done to us" is exactly what Trump publicly asked for. Trump called for a foreign "invasion" to help him seize power.

This thread is not about outrage agaist Russia's actions (Russia did what Russia does, no surprise here), but outrage against Trump, who embraced and defended them.

I seriously doubt the impact of foreign influence is all that large and decisive as it is suggested. I think it's minuscule, consider the available resources and investments. I truly think the brouhaha is a distraction powered by competition. So, let's say Trump is removed. The next person is not going to be a usual sociopathic and dishonest sellout? I guess we just have to agree to disagree. But hey, it's your country, do what you think is right.




 


 

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